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Here, Umm. Uh. 00:00:00
We. We. 00:00:01
We're holding our short term rental community forum and we have a few. 00:00:03
Things we wanted to go over tonight, we're going to start with a presentation about short term rentals and. 00:00:09
Possible. 00:00:15
Regulations. Possible options for short term rentals. 00:00:17
And then we are going to go over the results of community survey that we held over the last couple months. 00:00:20
And talk about what feedback we got from members of the community. 00:00:27
And then we'll do a question and answer. At the end, we'll take questions about. 00:00:30
Short term rentals or how many regulations could work or would work? 00:00:36
And then at the end, we'll talk about next steps. 00:00:40
And what would happen after? 00:00:43
Tonight, uh. 00:00:46
To move this board. 00:00:47
Through the city so. 00:00:49
So we'll be planning to go through those things. I'll try to keep the presentation brief even though it has the survey results. So 00:00:50
there's a lot of slides of results, but we'll try to just go through those fairly quickly. 00:00:56
And hopefully we'll answer a lot of questions in the presentation. 00:01:01
But again, we'll take questions at the end of the presentation as well, so. 00:01:04
With that. 00:01:08
I'm going to kick it off. I. 00:01:10
I assume if you're here you're probably up to speed on short term rentals, but we're also streaming this so. 00:01:12
Just for anybody who may have been watching it who doesn't know what short term rentals are. 00:01:18
A short term rental. 00:01:23
Is essentially a any property that is rented out for less than 30 consecutive days. 00:01:25
It can be an entire home, an apartment, or an individual room. 00:01:32
A lot of people know short term rentals nowadays from Airbnb or VRBO are the two very popular. 00:01:36
Websites where you can rent a short term rental, but it doesn't have to be a lot of people. 00:01:43
Ask are we prohibiting? 00:01:48
Airbnb. And it doesn't have to be Airbnb. 00:01:50
For it to be a short term rental, it could be even a word of mouth or. 00:01:53
Advertised in a newspaper or magazine. 00:01:59
It could be any. 00:02:02
Property that is rented out for less than 30 consecutive days. 00:02:03
We. 00:02:08
Per state law, one question we get very often is. 00:02:11
Can I use an accessory dwelling unit as a short term rental? 00:02:15
If I. 00:02:19
An accessory dwelling unit or an AD. Use what a lot of people call them now. 00:02:20
And per state law, ad use are not allowed to be short term rentals now. 00:02:24
And so. 00:02:29
When we're talking about short term rentals, we're not talking about ad use because. 00:02:30
Those have already been regulated by state law. 00:02:34
So here in Port Hueneme. 00:02:38
The question we get often is what does the city do about short term rentals? 00:02:41
Currently, the city has no regulations restricting short term rentals. 00:02:44
We currently are aware of our I should say we we have received. 00:02:52
Confirmation of 14 short term rentals. 00:02:57
That are operating within the city that have actually been paying the. 00:03:01
Transient occupancy tax, which is another phrase for hotel tax. 00:03:05
And so we know of 14 that have been paying that. 00:03:11
In the amount of 24 to $29,000 annually over the last few years. 00:03:15
But we're also aware as we've been going through this process that there are. 00:03:20
Many more short term rentals operating within Port Hueneme. 00:03:24
We're aware at the time of. 00:03:27
Putting this report together. 00:03:30
That there were 46. 00:03:32
Short term rentals on Airbnb? 00:03:34
And 12 on VRBO. 00:03:36
Some of those may have been duplicates, but. 00:03:38
It's many more short term rentals than have actually registered or have been paying the hotel tax. 00:03:41
One thing that we. 00:03:50
A phrase that you're gonna hear. 00:03:52
A lot throughout this presentation is. 00:03:53
California coastal zone. 00:03:56
And it's important because the state. 00:03:58
Has the ability. 00:04:01
To limit what the city can or can't do. 00:04:03
Within the California coastal zone. 00:04:06
Essentially, those properties that are. 00:04:09
Closer to the beach. 00:04:12
And so it's worth noting that the majority of those listings that we saw the 46 and 12. 00:04:14
The majority of them are within the coastal zone. 00:04:21
So we'll explain why that's important here in one moment. 00:04:23
So before we do that, we just wanted to give some background on. 00:04:31
What cities can do with short term rentals? 00:04:35
Short term rental regulatory options can include and generally include. 00:04:39
A Permitting our licensing, uh, uh. 00:04:44
Process. Umm. 00:04:46
Again, so going back to that last slide, we we currently do not require any additional permits or anything for somebody to operate 00:04:48
a short term rental. 00:04:52
But a city could require a permit or a license for operation of a short term rental. 00:04:56
The city could limit the amount of short term rentals. 00:05:02
Based on a percentage of total units or an overall number. 00:05:06
The city could impose application requirements, such as a proof of property ownership. 00:05:13
Local contact information. Neighbor notification. 00:05:17
Those are often called, they call them sort of good neighbor requirements. 00:05:21
And the idea being that there's some good neighbor standards that the property owner makes sure that when he's renting the 00:05:26
property. 00:05:29
That there's. 00:05:32
Things like rules regarding trash, noise, nuisances. 00:05:34
In a way to contact the property owner if there's a problem. 00:05:39
So those are those are fairly standard in cities. 00:05:43
With regulations. 00:05:46
And then another thing is. 00:05:48
Fees can our cities can establish a fee to cover the cost of. 00:05:49
That permitting process or the cost of enforcing if somebody is violating rules related to short term rentals. 00:05:54
And then lastly, cities can can mandate the short term renters operators collect and remit hotel tax, tot tax. 00:06:02
Throws people off a lot because because it is called a hotel tax. 00:06:11
But it actually is applicable to anybody. 00:06:14
Operating a transient occupancy facility, which is. 00:06:19
Any facility that has that less than 30 days stay requirement, so it could be somebody's house that would be. 00:06:23
Subject to the hotel tax. 00:06:28
And then finally, the city can establish A mechanism for auditing, reporting and enforcing the tax obligations of. 00:06:32
Those short term rentals, so those are abilities that the city would have to. 00:06:38
To have regulations. 00:06:43
They also can. 00:06:45
Have these requirements that they can establish an operational standard. 00:06:49
Like things like a maximum number of nights rented per year. 00:06:54
Like I said earlier, good neighbor requirements, parking requirements. 00:06:58
Noise requirements, Quiet hour requirements, trash management protocols. 00:07:01
And uh. 00:07:07
One of the things that a lot of cities are starting to do is requiring specific signage. 00:07:08
That would. 00:07:14
Post rules in a contact information so that if. 00:07:15
Your neighbors doing a short term rental and their tenants are allowed they. 00:07:18
There's a number that you can call and have the property owner respond and deal with it. 00:07:22
So those are some of the basic. 00:07:26
Things that cities have done. 00:07:29
And then as part of that. 00:07:30
When the rules are established, there's also the opportunity to have fines for violations of those of those requirements. 00:07:32
Or eventually permit revocation. 00:07:42
If somebody continues to violate the rules and continues to get complaints, so. 00:07:46
Cities have those capabilities with one big asterisk that's important to note, and it goes back to that California coastal zone. 00:07:50
Note that we talked about is. 00:07:58
Properties that are within the coastal zone. 00:08:01
Regulated. 00:08:04
By the state. 00:08:05
We there are some limitations on what the city can do. 00:08:09
And. 00:08:12
In our city, we are fortunate that we are a beautiful beach community, but that means. 00:08:13
One of our challenges is a lot of the city falls within the coastal zone. 00:08:19
This slide. 00:08:23
Shows the map. 00:08:24
With maybe, maybe a little difficult to see, but that blue line that. 00:08:25
I think most people when I talk to them. 00:08:30
It surprises them that that much of the city is by the. 00:08:33
Or is in the coastal zone. 00:08:36
I think a lot of people assume it would just be the beach area down to the South end of town, but it does go. 00:08:38
Up in North because of the. 00:08:43
Hollywood Beach strand areas. 00:08:46
And so several of our communities are within the coastal zone. 00:08:49
Surf Sides. 00:08:53
Search Sites 1234. Surfside Village Pacific Collection. The Bungalows. 00:08:55
Hemlock. 00:09:00
Victoria Marina, Vic. 00:09:01
When Amy Shores, Shell Harbor, Harbor Villages, Marlborough Seaside. 00:09:04
And I kept a few condos and beach homes. 00:09:08
The Hideaways, Beachport Cottages, B Port Villas. 00:09:11
Portside Homes, Willowbrook. 00:09:14
And uh. 00:09:16
The areas West of Ventura Road and South of Pleasant Valley. Areas South of Winnie Me Rd. in areas around City Hall. City halls in 00:09:17
the coastal zone as well. 00:09:21
And so the properties that are within. 00:09:25
The coastal zone. 00:09:28
Have a special set of. 00:09:32
Rules essentially. 00:09:34
Because the Coastal California Coastal Commission. 00:09:36
Limits what the city can do. 00:09:41
In those zones. 00:09:43
And so. 00:09:45
The Coastal Commission has a mandate to protect and enhance public access to California's coast. 00:09:47
I think this throws people. 00:09:53
Awful lot and and I know it took me a while to get used to, but. 00:09:54
There's a theory, like I think the general idea is people think that the Coastal commission's goal is to sort of protect the 00:09:58
beach. 00:10:01
But it's really to enhance. 00:10:05
Public access to the beach, they actually want to ensure that there's. 00:10:07
Visitors coming to beaches in California. 00:10:11
And so. 00:10:14
When you. 00:10:15
Think about that. 00:10:16
It then makes sense why they don't necessarily want to allow cities to prohibit all short term rentals. 00:10:18
The coastal areas because they want to ensure that people can come visit our beaches. 00:10:24
So so cities have some power. 00:10:28
We can. 00:10:33
Have some regulations, but we have to preserve visitor access. 00:10:35
And address community concerns and we have to essentially get it approved. 00:10:39
By the Coastal Commission. 00:10:43
With whatever we're trying to do related to short term rentals or. 00:10:45
Other planning related items as well. 00:10:49
And so. 00:10:52
There's some information on this slide about the coastal development permit process. 00:10:55
But I think the key thing that's worth noting. 00:10:59
Is that? 00:11:02
If you live in those communities we just discussed. 00:11:03
That are. 00:11:06
In the coastal zone. 00:11:07
There's a cut off date of 1977. 00:11:10
That essentially when the Coastal Commission. 00:11:16
Coastal development permit process got. 00:11:21
Adopted in 1977. 00:11:24
Any rules that? 00:11:26
Any like HOA or? 00:11:28
Potentially city had about short term rentals. 00:11:31
Before 1977. 00:11:34
Can stay in place. 00:11:36
But anything after 1977 now has to get approved by the Coastal Commission. 00:11:38
And they are stricter with short term rentals than some of the cities around us. 00:11:43
Well, they are. 00:11:47
They protect short term rentals more than some of the cities around us. 00:11:50
They don't let. 00:11:54
Cities just outright banned short term rentals in the coastal zones. 00:11:55
And so that last note on this slide is that? 00:12:01
If we were to try to do something about short term rentals. 00:12:04
We'd have to then submit that. 00:12:07
What the city is doing to the Coastal Commission? 00:12:09
And if we were to just, if we were to be too aggressive, they would likely reject whatever the city. 00:12:12
Does including if we try to do a full ban on short term rentals? 00:12:17
The Coastal Commission would. 00:12:21
Has rejected that in other areas. 00:12:22
Would likely reject it. 00:12:24
In Port Hueneme as well. 00:12:25
So we looked a little bit to see what has the Coastal Commission actually approved. 00:12:32
What have they approved in other cities around us? 00:12:36
Is sort of a guideline of. 00:12:39
What we think they could have, could approve. 00:12:41
Locally, umm. 00:12:44
And so they require some, or they've approved some reasonable regulations, but not an outright ban. 00:12:45
They've approved limiting the total number of short term rentals by neighborhood are by ratio. So something like. 00:12:52
No more than 10% of a of a neighborhood can be. 00:12:59
Operated as short term rentals, something like that the Coastal Commission has approved. 00:13:03
They've restricted certain housing types from use as STR's the. 00:13:08
The big ones we mentioned earlier for per state laws, 80 use can't be used for short term rentals, accessory dwelling units. 00:13:12
And typically affordable units can't be used as short term rental units. 00:13:18
They've allowed capping and occupancy and rental duration. 00:13:23
So rental duration would be something like saying that people could stay for. 00:13:27
No less than one week because we don't want people constantly moving in and out of property, something like that. 00:13:32
The Coastal Commission has approved those types of things. 00:13:38
They've allowed requirements or regulations that deal with those good neighbor requirements. 00:13:42
Parking, garbage, noise, requiring that 24 hour manager to be available to respond if there's problems. 00:13:47
They've required, they've approved requirements that. 00:13:54
The property owner posts clear signage with contact information and operational rules. 00:13:58
And they've approved cities ensuring that there's a transient occupancy tax payment. 00:14:03
And a strong enforcement process related to complaints, which is not an outright ban. 00:14:07
So I think that's important and as we go through this and we go through some of the survey results. 00:14:14
I think what we heard from a lot of people is some reasonable regulation makes sense, but. 00:14:19
Not an outright ban, and not nothing. Not no regulation at all. 00:14:24
And I think. 00:14:29
When we looked at California Coastal Commission. 00:14:30
They. 00:14:33
Be on that same page of reasonable regulations. 00:14:35
That make sure that. 00:14:38
People are being good neighbors. 00:14:40
Are good. 00:14:42
Outright bans or not. 00:14:44
So. 00:14:48
Another factor that we have and we kind of mentioned this earlier, is on top of the state. 00:14:53
Being one factor in the Coastal Commission with short term rentals. 00:14:58
There's also the impacts on homeowners associations. 00:15:03
So any regulation significantly affecting short term rentals in the coastal zones? 00:15:07
Must align with state law. 00:15:12
Undergo the Coastal Commission review. 00:15:14
But outside of the coastal zone. 00:15:17
Homer because the coastal zone limits what the city and homeowners associations can do. 00:15:19
Outside of the coastal zone, homeowners associations have broader authority to regulate or restrict short term rentals. 00:15:24
Through their CC and ours and I know we've we got some feedback and some questions about that. 00:15:31
I think. 00:15:37
Homeowners associations that are within the coastal zone that didn't have rules in place prior to 1977. 00:15:38
Are limited by. 00:15:44
The Coastal. 00:15:46
Commission. 00:15:48
But the homeowners associations that are outside of the coastal zone. 00:15:49
Or had a rule in place before 1977. Has the ability to regulate. 00:15:54
Short term rentals through. 00:15:58
CC and ours. 00:16:01
So we have some legal precedents here that. 00:16:03
Listed some cases that established those rules. 00:16:08
The and then the note below. Coastal development permit requirements. 00:16:12
Note an HOA regulating short term rentals in the coastal zone requires. 00:16:16
Just like with the city requires that coastal development permit. 00:16:21
And I already spoke to this but the. 00:16:25
The cutoff date is that 1977 date. If it existed before 1977, it can be enforced. 00:16:28
Rules after 1977 have to go through a permit process and the state is like. 00:16:34
Is. 00:16:41
Is unlikely to ban short term or allow a ban of short term rentals. 00:16:43
But would allow reasonable regulations under those permits. 00:16:47
So some challenges that that we want to just have everybody think of when we're talking about potential short term rental 00:16:55
regulations. 00:17:00
Is some challenges. 00:17:05
That we would expect our resource constraints, including the fact that we don't have employees that work 24 hours a day other than 00:17:07
the. 00:17:12
The Police Department, typically. 00:17:17
So we. 00:17:20
Which is why some of those regulations that. 00:17:22
Have the owner identify a point of contact that would respond. 24 hours would be key. 00:17:25
Because if we don't have that and somebody just called City Hall at 2:00 in the morning for a short term rental, it's probably 00:17:31
going. 00:17:34
To voicemail, so. 00:17:38
So. 00:17:40
When we get to some of the regulations we're looking at and we talk about the process to have the owner. 00:17:42
Be part of that process. That's that's one of the issues we're trying to address. 00:17:48
So that it's not. 00:17:52
Your taxpayer dollars paying for. 00:17:53
The management of one person's private. 00:17:56
Short term rental. 00:17:59
And so. 00:18:00
The resources, the staffing, the budget. 00:18:02
Those are really the challenges. 00:18:05
The other challenge that cities have dealt with is the identification issue. 00:18:07
Typically the online listings don't give property addresses, so it takes a bit of work to find. 00:18:12
Who is actually doing the short term rental? 00:18:19
But there are some ways to do it. 00:18:22
But it is a challenge and a process. 00:18:26
And then we mentioned there some of those enforcement tactics like requiring that property owner to be. 00:18:29
Available. 00:18:35
24/7. 00:18:36
A complaint hotline, online monitoring monitoring tools in a penalty structure that. 00:18:37
Would increase. 00:18:42
If there's violations and then up to revocation of the permit. 00:18:43
So those are some of the paths for it. 00:18:48
I won't go through the next couple slides in depth. We'll make we have this available and we'll make it. We'll put it on the 00:18:51
website so that anybody who wants to go back and look at it later can. 00:18:55
But when we were preparing. 00:19:01
Our report and our item. We looked at neighboring cities. 00:19:03
What they're doing? 00:19:08
And, umm. 00:19:10
Just briefly. 00:19:11
You'll see. 00:19:13
Sort of the commonalities. 00:19:15
Oxnard, Carpinteria. And on the next slide is the City of Ventura and the County of Ventura. 00:19:17
All have some sort of. 00:19:23
Short term rental. 00:19:26
Permitting process. 00:19:28
That requires people to apply for a permit. 00:19:30
To remit the hotel tax. 00:19:33
Some of them where they differ a little bit is some have stricter limits than others. 00:19:36
Oxnard, for example, does have a 10% limit. 00:19:41
On short term rentals in the residential beachfront zone, so right at the beach and that. 00:19:44
Is one that went through Coastal Commission was approved. 00:19:51
And then a 5% limit per neighborhood map in the rest of the city. 00:19:55
They also put a minimum three night stay so that again just so you don't have people coming and going constantly. 00:19:59
So minimum of a three night stay and a cap of 100 rental days per calendar year. 00:20:05
And so. 00:20:10
But generally what we saw in most of them are. 00:20:12
What we call those good neighbor rules. 00:20:15
You can see it under Oxnard, Oxnard's ordinance. 00:20:17
So they have a. 00:20:21
Occupancy limit. 00:20:23
Two guests per bedroom, +2 extra with a Max of total so. 00:20:25
So for example A5 bedroom house. 00:20:30
Would be a maximum of 10, not. 00:20:32
2 for each bedroom +2. 00:20:35
They would just be maximum 10 total. 00:20:37
And so. 00:20:39
They have that rules like that. 00:20:40
Requiring that the house provide off street parking. 00:20:43
You know, the driveway or the garage to ensure that they're not bringing a bunch of parking impacts to the neighborhoods. 00:20:46
And quiet hours. 00:20:52
To ensure that there's not noise issues. 00:20:54
So across most of the cities. 00:20:56
Those were the regulations that we saw. 00:20:59
And I'll go to City of Ventura. 00:21:02
Here, where they also have good neighbor rules. 00:21:05
For example, theirs is very similar, a ten person total at a house. 00:21:07
A off street parking space per bedroom, so a little bit more aggressive with the parking. 00:21:12
Which probably makes sense. I think certain areas of Ventura have bigger parking challenges than. 00:21:20
Than some of those beachfront areas in Oxnard. 00:21:25
And then? 00:21:28
Quiet hours beginning at 9:00 PM. So those are. 00:21:29
Rules you sort of see across the board of just making sure that. 00:21:32
I think it's a. 00:21:37
Reasonable approach of not. 00:21:38
Not outlawing short term rentals, but making sure that they're not impacting. 00:21:40
The neighbors. 00:21:45
So, so that is something that. 00:21:46
We've seen across several agencies. 00:21:48
And I think when we get to our survey data, we heard similar thoughts from the community. 00:21:52
And so with that. 00:21:59
We after this survey and after this town hall. 00:22:02
We are going to take all the data we've gotten. 00:22:06
To date and we're going to put together. 00:22:09
Options for the City Council. 00:22:12
And when we brought it to the City Council initially. 00:22:15
They gave us the direction to come. 00:22:18
Get the feedback, have the workshops. 00:22:22
And I think. 00:22:24
Generally the feeling was that we look closely at that moderate, moderate regulation and maybe. 00:22:25
A couple of the comprehensive regulation ideas. 00:22:32
Like potentially a cap on how many short term rentals? 00:22:35
But the. 00:22:39
The good thing about being here tonight is no decisions have been made yet. 00:22:40
There was sort of that discussion of here's some ideas. 00:22:44
But it really was a situation where the council then said. 00:22:47
Now go talk to the community, get that feedback and bring it back and let's see if if everybody's on the same page. 00:22:51
Well, I shouldn't say everybody because it might not be everybody on the same page, but if there's a consensus that. 00:22:57
Generally, the community agrees with. 00:23:03
What direction we're going in, so. 00:23:05
That's part of the. 00:23:07
Goal here tonight. 00:23:08
But before we do that. 00:23:11
We wanted to go through the survey results. We had the survey active for months. We actually got a lot of responses. 00:23:13
Think it was over? 00:23:18
Maybe right under 200. 00:23:20
203 OK. 00:23:22
So 203 responses, probably the most responses we've ever gotten on it any survey. 00:23:24
Yeah. 00:23:30
So 203 response is. 00:23:32
And so I won't go through them ad nausea but we wanted to. 00:23:34
Make sure we highlight them. 00:23:39
Because a lot of times the cities do surveys and then later people go. I did a survey and I never heard anything about it. I never 00:23:40
saw any. 00:23:43
You know what was the point? 00:23:46
And so we did this survey. 00:23:48
Results are going to go back to the Council for when they make a decision. 00:23:52
But we also just wanted to highlight it here and explain sort of why we're looking to. 00:23:56
Right now in the direction we're looking. 00:24:01
And so. 00:24:04
Going through the survey results this first. 00:24:05
Page was just demographics. Most of the responses were from home owners instead of renters or vacationers or short term rental 00:24:08
operators. 00:24:13
Although it's interesting that we actually had people respond across all of those, even some people who just identified themselves 00:24:18
as vacationers. 00:24:22
We majority of results, about almost 70%, are full time Port Hueneme residents. 00:24:27
And I have terrible eyesight, so I have to look at the CHEAT SHEET here. 00:24:36
We looked at neighborhoods, I think. 00:24:41
I think it was reasonable to assume we'd probably get most results from the beach area because I think those are the ones. 00:24:44
That generally see the short term rental problem before everybody else because that's usually the first spot people start. 00:24:52
Start coming and using short term rentals. 00:24:57
So from our results, the vast majority of them were in. 00:25:00
Beach areas, or at least areas that are in our coastal zone. 00:25:05
Some of the interesting questions we asked. How many short term rentals are you aware of in your neighborhood? 00:25:13
And uh. 00:25:19
A good chunk of people, about 30%, said at least. 00:25:20
One to five short term rentals. 00:25:23
And I think I was surprised that we had over 10% that were that said they were aware of 10 plus short term rentals. 00:25:25
So that's that's quite a bit. 00:25:32
And going back to when we talked about possible regulations. 00:25:34
A lot of cities have put the cap of not having more than you know, 10 per. 00:25:38
Neighborhood for example. 00:25:43
And so we're hearing from people who say that they believe that there's at least 10 short term rentals in their neighborhood. 00:25:45
So so. 00:25:51
That next chart, how do you perceive the presence of short term rentals in your neighborhood? 00:25:54
41% said negative impacts from. 00:25:58
From those short term rentals. 00:26:01
So good to see 23% said positive that's and then? 00:26:03
26% both said both positive and negative. 00:26:10
So I think that's fair to say that's about 67% who see some negative impact. 00:26:14
And I think that'll be important to keep in mind because. 00:26:20
When we're talking about some of the regulations, the goal would be just simple regulations that help. 00:26:23
Address those negative impacts or give somebody the ability. 00:26:28
To do something if they see those negative impacts. 00:26:31
So the next questions. 00:26:37
I'll try to go through these quicker. 00:26:39
Generally short term rentals. 00:26:42
Were more supported in single family home areas than in. 00:26:44
Multifamily areas, commercial areas, or other. 00:26:48
And short term rentals. 00:26:52
53% of residents strong respondents strongly agreed that short term rentals should be required to obtain a permit. 00:26:55
And pay taxes similar to hotels. 00:27:04
The next slide, 8989, respondents 44%. 00:27:10
Strongly agreed that short term rentals should have a minimum stay, minimum night stay requirement. 00:27:14
And then for. 00:27:20
Question 9. 00:27:22
The minimum number of nights a short term rental should be rented out for. 00:27:24
56 said said at least one night and 56 said at least three nights. 00:27:27
And then? 00:27:33
Almost an equal amount, 51 said it should be 10 plus night minimum. 00:27:35
We asked and this is common in beach communities. 00:27:46
Should there be a seasonal change to minimum rentals? So in other words. 00:27:50
You know, umm. 00:27:54
Where you have. 00:27:56
Have a different rules during summer. 00:27:57
When you'd expect more beach visitors. 00:28:01
Than during winter when you'd expect fewer. 00:28:03
On this one. 00:28:07
This one is 1. I was a little surprised that I think 78% of respondents said that. 00:28:09
Know it should be the same rule year round. 00:28:15
And then? 00:28:17
The rest about 20%. 00:28:19
A respondent said yes. 00:28:22
Different during different seasons. 00:28:24
And then that last one, I think is a big one that I think we heard a lot about. 00:28:28
Over the last couple months is. 00:28:33
The idea of. 00:28:35
Requiring the short term rental to have some sort of responsible caretaker operator. 00:28:36
Someone responsible that can respond to problems or issues at any time. 00:28:41
And 61% of survey. 00:28:48
Takers said yes, strongly agree that somebody should be available. 00:28:51
At all times to respond to problems or issues. 00:28:56
On these #12 here. 00:29:03
Should a short term rental property be limited to a maximum number of rentals per year? 00:29:06
100 and 1357% actually said. 00:29:11
There should be no limit. 00:29:15
On a cap. 00:29:16
So that is interesting because it tells us that. 00:29:18
It's more about making sure. 00:29:20
That. 00:29:23
You're able to get a hold of somebody. 00:29:24
If there's a problem then just saying. 00:29:26
You know, no short term rentals or no. 00:29:29
Or a limit on short term on the number of. 00:29:31
Nights that a short term rental can be rented. 00:29:34
And then #13 was should there be a minimum distance between short term rentals? 00:29:37
That one also. 00:29:41
Was the. 00:29:42
56% said no, there should not be a minimum distance and that would be something like. 00:29:44
Saying that. 00:29:49
There has to be. 00:29:50
You know, 1000 feet between short term rentals so. 00:29:51
The majority said no. 00:29:54
There was 30% who said a 400. 00:29:56
Foot limit. 00:30:00
But the majority said no limit. 00:30:01
On the distance. 00:30:03
So, so far, I think the what we're seeing is the trend is. 00:30:06
Making sure that if somebody's having a short term rental that they're operating them well, that they're responsive and they make 00:30:10
sure that the tenants are doing. 00:30:14
The right thing. 00:30:19
Versus a ban. 00:30:20
Like a hard cap on short term rentals. 00:30:22
So on #14 should there be a limit on the number of properties allowed to operate as a short term rental? 00:30:25
35% said no. 00:30:31
42% said up to 10% limit, which is similar to what I think Ventura. 00:30:33
And Oxnard did, in within areas of their cities. 00:30:39
And then? 00:30:42
There were fewer responses that had that supported a 20 percent, 30% or more. 00:30:44
Limit. 00:30:48
That was oops, I'm sorry, I forgot to go to that one. 00:30:53
So this was the slide I was just referring to with the limit. 00:30:58
So next question was essentially how many people have noise concerns related to short term rentals? 00:31:03
50% said they had noise concerns. 00:31:09
17% said somewhat. 00:31:13
And so 33% said not a concern. 00:31:15
For parking 55% and parking is on the right here. 55% said it was a concern. 00:31:18
17 said somewhat concern and 28% said not a concern. 00:31:25
So a majority are just about a majority of people with both parking and noise concerns. 00:31:29
For the next slide shows traffic. 00:31:37
Which has about 38% concerned. 00:31:40
And 40% not concerned. So traffic doesn't seem to be a primary concern. 00:31:44
Related to short term rental. 00:31:49
And. 00:31:51
The next on the right is a. 00:31:53
Is it a? Is a lack of timely response from the owner or manager a concern? 00:31:55
And 53% said. 00:32:00
Concern with only 28% saying not a concern. 00:32:02
Next couple of questions, was is trash a concern related to short term rentals? 00:32:09
54% said it was a concern. 00:32:14
With 30% saying not a concern. 00:32:17
One of the the next on the right says reduction of available housing. 00:32:20
And just to explain that one of the. 00:32:25
Concerns that is raised with short term rentals is that. 00:32:27
If you're if we're letting somebody run a short term rental, it means that that's one less. 00:32:31
House for a family local family to live in. 00:32:36
So that. 00:32:39
Is why some cities put that like a 10% cap or something like that to make sure that. 00:32:40
The majority of houses are still available. 00:32:45
For families to live in. 00:32:48
And so. 00:32:51
We asked the question, is a reduction of available housing a concern? 00:32:52
And 42% said yes, it's a concern. 40% said not a concern. 00:32:57
So. So that one was. 00:33:03
There's a concern, but it wasn't as major of a concern as some of those other issues identified. 00:33:07
So next slide has two more items. 00:33:15
Is trespassing or invasion of privacy related to short term rentals a concern? 00:33:17
45% said yes, 20% said somewhat, and 35% said not concerned. 00:33:23
And then are the impacts on road and infrastructure a concern? 00:33:29
35% said yes. 00:33:34
43% said no, so that seems to be less of a concern. 00:33:37
Than most of the other items. 00:33:42
And finally, I think this is the last one. 00:33:44
Two more items is. 00:33:50
Is a loss of neighborhood feeling and familiarity a concern? 00:33:52
And 50% said yes, it's a concern. 00:33:56
16 said somewhat and 35% said not a concern. 00:34:00
And then last. 00:34:05
Going back to having an. 00:34:06
Somebody available to call? 00:34:08
Is not having someone to call or report an issue to a concern? 00:34:10
And 53% said yes, 15% said somewhat, and 31% said not a concern. 00:34:15
So that that seemed to be one that we heard. 00:34:22
A lot about just. 00:34:26
Knowing who to call if there's a problem. 00:34:27
So with that. 00:34:31
As we reviewed the survey results, we sort of summarized it to say that. 00:34:35
Our read of that is that the moderate regulation option is seems to be the one that the majority of people are looking for. 00:34:40
Those good neighbor standards, good neighbor requirements like occupancy. 00:34:48
Issues noise. Issues the formal permit process with the. 00:34:54
Manager 24/7 contact available. 00:34:59
And then ensuring that the city has some oversight if there's problems and they aren't responsive, then the city could potentially 00:35:02
revoke the permit if if they aren't being responsive. 00:35:07
2 concerns. 00:35:11
So that's what we're classifying as moderate regulation. 00:35:13
With the idea that the. 00:35:17
The strictest regulation would be an outright ban, which is just unlikely. 00:35:20
To even be approved by Coastal Commission. 00:35:25
And also doesn't seem to be what people are asking for. 00:35:28
Via the survey results. 00:35:31
So. 00:35:33
Last there. 00:35:35
We talk about the overall perception of short term rentals. 42% said that they have a negative impact. 00:35:38
27% said both positive and negative and 23% said positive. 00:35:44
So, umm. 00:35:48
That tells you that there's. 00:35:50
About 40, I'm sorry, 50%. 00:35:52
I'm sorry, Yeah, 50%. 00:35:55
That say that there's some positive associated at least some positive with short term rentals. 00:35:57
But it also tells you that there is. 00:36:02
Also more than 50% who say that there's also some negative impact with short term rentals. 00:36:05
I think that just goes to. 00:36:10
What we said a moment ago, our read of the survey result is. 00:36:13
That people just want to make sure that they're being managed appropriately. 00:36:16
And so. 00:36:24
Just finalizing on the survey results. 00:36:30
We mentioned the focus on the good Neighbor rules in the nuisance mitigation. 00:36:34
The highest concerns there were parking trash. 00:36:38
Neighborhood feeling, lack of on site accountability. 00:36:41
And so those would be areas that we would. 00:36:44
Try to draft some regulations related to. 00:36:47
And uh. 00:36:50
The one that there was a little bit of a mix on with the citywide cap. 00:36:51
And so that's one that. 00:36:56
Generally most people said no cap or 10% cap. 00:36:59
So that's one that is probably going to be a further discussion. 00:37:02
Conversation. 00:37:07
And so. 00:37:10
With that, that's the results of the survey, that's. 00:37:11
The information we've gathered to this point. 00:37:15
We're going to take questions and answers and we'll. 00:37:19
We'll try to answer any questions. 00:37:22
We just wanted to end with saying. 00:37:24
What the next step is? 00:37:26
And after tonight? 00:37:28
We're going to compile all of the. 00:37:30
The comments, the questions, the feedback, survey results. 00:37:32
Conversation from tonight. 00:37:35
Into a staff report that goes back to the council. 00:37:36
At this point, it would probably be in about August that it would go back to the Council. 00:37:40
The council will review. 00:37:45
What we put together and then give us direction on whether. 00:37:47
You know, say. 00:37:50
Yes, include these things in an ordinance or don't include these things in an ordinance. 00:37:52
And then we bring an ordinance forward and then. 00:37:57
After that Ord. 00:38:01
Put forward. Adopted. 00:38:03
Then we would have. 00:38:05
Short term rental regulations. 00:38:07
So that is the process. 00:38:09
It's impossible to guess. 00:38:11
Exactly what that would be. 00:38:13
Based on what we've heard is we think it will be that reasonable. 00:38:16
Regulation. 00:38:19
Ensuring that there's. 00:38:21
The management. 00:38:23
And those good neighbor rules, that's what we're expecting. 00:38:24
To put forward at this point. 00:38:27
And so. 00:38:29
With that. 00:38:31
We're happy to answer any questions. I know I had a couple of. 00:38:33
Comment cards. We don't need comment cards, so I'll answer them, but we will start with the two comment cards we have. 00:38:36
And so. 00:38:41
We are recording this. I think there's a second mic, right? 00:38:43
OK, yeah, we are recording this. So that's the only reason. We're just gonna ask if anybody who comments would come up and speak 00:38:48
into the microphone so that anybody watching this. 00:38:52
At home Oregon later can hear what the question is. 00:38:57
But we're happy to answer any questions. 00:38:59
And we'll start with. 00:39:02
I think it's Jay Martinez. 00:39:03
OK. And then after J. 00:39:07
Dan Jarvis. 00:39:09
What information, if anything, you would like to know about me? 00:39:25
You don't need to provide any, we're just answering questions. 00:39:29
A brief history. 00:39:34
My wife and I have lived here in Portland, ME for over a decade. 00:39:36
We live in a gated community. 00:39:41
Which of course is an HOA establishment. 00:39:47
And does not necessarily reflect the same requirements as if you were. 00:39:51
Had a single family dwelling. 00:39:55
Number one, I would like to say that the staff report was extensive, 300 pages. 00:39:59
Really a surprise. 00:40:06
And I'd like to acknowledge the effort that the staff put together. 00:40:08
Informally, my concern is that I don't feel the city. 00:40:16
Has been spending the appropriate time. 00:40:20
To quantify, qualify and pick up. 00:40:23
What we call tot taxes. 00:40:28
And I can understand that because it takes money to do that service. 00:40:31
I hope the city as you go forward. 00:40:35
Take that into consideration because. 00:40:38
If you're capable of collecting the monies. 00:40:41
We probably will be able to have. 00:40:44
A individual as a staff member within the city. 00:40:46
I also would like to say that. 00:40:51
I don't know if you've already looked at it because it's extensive. 00:40:55
I don't know if you looked at overlay. 00:40:59
Zoning overlays. 00:41:01
Or specifically. 00:41:03
Local. 00:41:05
Coastal programs, I believe you begin to allude to that. 00:41:07
My request is that. 00:41:12
We as HOA owners. 00:41:14
Are subject to significantly more interruptions. 00:41:17
Concerns than a single family owner. 00:41:21
So this is important to my family and to our association and where we live. 00:41:24
If you take these considerations into into concept and education. 00:41:32
I think we're going to be able to come up with a. 00:41:37
A program. 00:41:40
That will satisfy the majority of your of our concerns. 00:41:41
I do not advocate to go back to the Coastal Commission. 00:41:45
I've been there. 00:41:49
In my career, I don't want to go back to them. 00:41:51
For various reasons. 00:41:54
So I'm hoping that the city. 00:41:56
Staff and the council. 00:41:58
Will listen to all these component parts. 00:42:01
Put them together. 00:42:03
And not look at it as a single family. 00:42:05
But also as an HOA community. 00:42:08
Thank you. 00:42:10
Yeah. Thank you. I think that's a. 00:42:12
A good point that. 00:42:14
I know when I arrived in my. 00:42:17
City manager capacity here in the city is the wake up call was how many residents we have that are in homeowners associations. 00:42:21
I do think it's a higher percentage than any other city in Ventura County, so. 00:42:28
I think everything we try to do, we try to keep that in mind and try to make sure that we're not forgetting about the homeowners 00:42:33
associations or. 00:42:36
Leaving them out but. 00:42:39
But I appreciate the. 00:42:41
The comments and the. 00:42:43
Feedback and we'll make sure to consider those. 00:42:45
Dan Jarvis. 00:42:49
I'm curious on the CDP. 00:42:59
Do you do we have any information about? 00:43:02
Perhaps from the Coastal Commission, which what? 00:43:07
HOA's do have CDP's. 00:43:10
And. 00:43:13
What do those look like? 00:43:14
Within Port Hueneme already. 00:43:16
May be already in Port Hueneme or just. 00:43:18
Within the Coastal Commission, yeah. 00:43:21
So then there's an example. 00:43:23
I'm like Jay, I'm from the same community and. 00:43:26
I'm curious. 00:43:29
Why the builders? 00:43:30
Of life, of our community. 00:43:32
They put in. 00:43:34
A strict 30 days asking me to remind you to use the microphone for They're telling me if the audio is working or not, so they put 00:43:35
in a. 00:43:40
A strict. 00:43:44
CCNR of. 00:43:46
You have to rent for 30 days. 00:43:47
I would have thought that the builder might have been aware of. 00:43:50
The Coastal Commission. 00:43:52
In their requirements but me always just ignored it. Do you know is it pre 1970s? It was post post 1977. It was like 2000. I think 00:43:54
I've heard that there's a couple associations that did put them in place and I think some of them have heard now that the. 00:44:02
They wouldn't be enforceable because of Coastal Commission, but right, it's one of those things too that it's also it's 00:44:10
enforceable until somebody challenges it. 00:44:14
So exactly. 00:44:17
And then also I read where. 00:44:20
Hoas can. 00:44:24
Can restrict. 00:44:26
SDRS if they have housing. 00:44:29
The community. 00:44:33
Because. 00:44:34
STR's. 00:44:36
Raise rents. 00:44:37
Raise property values. 00:44:39
Yeah, and that creates. 00:44:41
A housing shortage, which is another issue in California, which of course the Coastal Commission doesn't care about. Yeah. 00:44:43
Anyway, yeah. 00:44:49
You're spot on. And yeah, so the two things that they do let people regulate our short term. I'm sorry, I'm. 00:44:50
Affordable housing. 00:44:57
Yes, and accessory dwelling. 00:44:58
Technically legally should not be rented to short term rentals. 00:45:01
But it's another thing, like you said, a lot of people do. 00:45:04
Obviously. 00:45:07
Affordable housing units. 00:45:08
Can't rent correct as STR. 00:45:10
But. 00:45:13
Say, for example, in our community over. 00:45:14
Over 10% of the units are affordable housing units. 00:45:17
That you know the other units. 00:45:22
Evidently, they're not restricted. 00:45:25
Could they be restricted because of it's a community? Yeah. 00:45:28
Yeah. 00:45:33
Can we just put? 00:45:34
Could we be able to have a cap? 00:45:35
On the STR's, so typically and we'd have to go through coastal and have it approved, but typically. 00:45:38
They've supported. 00:45:45
Regulations. 00:45:47
And a cap. 00:45:48
But a reasonable cap and I think the lowest we saw that got approved in the coastal zone is 10%. 00:45:49
You know, no more, no more than 10% because Oxnard had a 5% cap on some, OK, so maybe it was 5%. 00:45:55
Although I don't know if that was the 5% was outside the coastal zone, I believe, yeah. 00:46:04
I think it was 10% in the coastal there. 00:46:09
Yeah. So that's the part that's within the coastal zone. 00:46:17
And so one thing and one of the comments was about. 00:46:20
Kind of the difference between the coastal zone and the rest and the consistency and. 00:46:25
Some cities will do a. 00:46:30
Stricter cap outside of the coastal zone because you can. 00:46:33
You can do it, but the Coastal Commission wouldn't let you do it within the coastal zone. 00:46:35
So, so for example, and I don't think anybody was proposing this. I don't think we heard it from people, but. 00:46:40
The city could, for example, say. 00:46:45
You know, in the coastal zone it's going to be a limit of 10%, but outside of the coastal zone is going to be a limit. 00:46:47
No more than 5%, which actually is what Oxnard did to your. 00:46:53
Reference. 00:46:57
Yeah. 00:47:03
Yeah, so I saw 123. 00:47:04
Four, and I'm gonna need you to help me. 00:47:08
I. 00:47:12
Hi, I'm Satterfield and I do live in one of those what we call. 00:47:14
Condo owner association communities. 00:47:18
And first of all, bravo I. 00:47:21
Excellent amount of information pulled together. 00:47:24
And I just think it's amazing where we're at, like. 00:47:27
Compared to 12 months ago and just. 00:47:30
With this, but also I know what was going on in my community and the. 00:47:32
Work we were doing and and learning and. 00:47:36
All that and I want to thank Jess Lopez for being a representative of the City Council here tonight and listening. 00:47:39
OK, a thought I have. I actually have a second thing if it would go around and there's time for a second one, but for now. 00:47:47
What struck me? 00:47:55
Is the sense that the Coastal Commission, I know we're not here to change their policy or gripe and all that, but it's the 00:47:57
awareness is when I because it comes down to the council doing what's right for this community. 00:48:04
And if the Coastal Commission. 00:48:11
In their wisdom in 1977. 00:48:14
Embrace the policy of. 00:48:17
This coastal access, even if you can't afford. 00:48:20
Super high resort rates at the coast. 00:48:23
We want. 00:48:27
The common person to be able to go and enjoy the. 00:48:29
The ocean have and have that. 00:48:32
OK, that happened, but what was going on? 1977 was when the building I live in was. 00:48:34
Was being built. 00:48:39
And then market it and then the next year, the next phase of over 300 units, so. 00:48:40
So our own Port Hueneme area and probably areas around. 00:48:45
We're having expanded housing opportunities. That's not what it looks like today. And we have general plan requirements, state 00:48:50
requirements. 00:48:54
A lot of pressure around housing, housing, we hear the word housing crisis, yada yada. 00:48:58
So I still think it comes down to the Council in their wisdom. 00:49:03
To be balancing. 00:49:07
All their concerns. 00:49:09
And not get stuck on this 10% thing even if a survey was designed with that being a. 00:49:11
A marker and you got a certain response because we don't even have scientific info about who these who the respondents are. I'm an 00:49:18
ominous anonymous on there like everyone else. 00:49:22
And so it may be if there is a cap and maybe it's a 2% or 3% because how much housing opportunity? 00:49:27
Do you want to give up just to do? Our elected officials and our leadership want to give up. 00:49:35
To allow. 00:49:41
A different kind of lodging. We already have other lodging here. People don't have to go rent a whole house. 00:49:43
Or a condo unit we have. 00:49:49
Commercial lodging facilities and and they're not overly priced. I think they fit within the policy of being affordable. 00:49:53
To, umm, the. 00:50:00
Person who wants to come bring their family to the coast. 00:50:02
So I'm saying. 00:50:05
Let's not get stuck to think, Oh yeah, that 10% thing sounds good because. 00:50:06
You're this city is struggling to identify where can we add? 00:50:11
Housing. 00:50:17
We're struggling. 00:50:19
And if at the same time you're making it harder for HOA COA's? 00:50:20
To maintain their infrastructures without this big whammy of insurance. 00:50:26
That the insurance industry is looking to see how much is. 00:50:30
Is this short term rental activity? 00:50:34
Impacting and they have those those facts they they study it they study it from 30,000 feet study in detail and Wham if you have 00:50:36
over a certain percentage. 00:50:41
And we don't know what that percentage is going to be today, tomorrow, next year, but nationwide there is information online about 00:50:46
some of the. 00:50:49
Some of that going on. 00:50:52
Then that is also affecting what the affordability is of people already living here or thinking of living here. 00:50:54
And that's just another layer that affects. 00:51:01
Housing. So let's not lose that context. 00:51:05
It's not 100% about isn't it nice to have people? 00:51:08
Come and be near the beach or near that area with boats up at the other. 00:51:12
End of port or Nimi where it's near. 00:51:17
So that's. 00:51:19
Really for the Council to struggle with. 00:51:22
And. 00:51:24
Find a way that we're not. 00:51:25
Giving away too much that puts housing in a tighter and tighter. 00:51:28
Framework. 00:51:32
Thank you. OK. Yeah, it's good feedback and. 00:51:33
I'll just note for us and when I present it to Council, just because I want to be clear with everybody is like. 00:51:37
Is one reason. 00:51:43
I would point to that 10% number is because when I am telling the Council to. 00:51:45
Adopt something. I want to make sure it's enforceable, and I want to make sure that the Coastal Commission wouldn't stop us from 00:51:51
enforcing it. 00:51:54
And so that's why for me, you know, the council will get to make the decision, but. 00:51:57
That's where we know that they've approved 10% caps. So we believe they would approve it 1010% cap. 00:52:02
But I think it goes back to the comment earlier of. 00:52:08
You know, if we make a rule and everybody follows it, great. But if they don't? 00:52:10
That I need to be able to enforce. Well, maybe you could push the envelope a little though, maybe it's 8% or 7% and. 00:52:14
And present this housing picture because they can't operate in a vacuum either. They are Californians and they're they're looking 00:52:20
at the up here, 30,000 feet, the whole coast of California. 00:52:25
But those housing requirements from the state and all. 00:52:31
Yeah, we have to. And then we have the sea level rising, all those things. I mean, do you want to turn City Hall into housing and 00:52:34
your City Hall goes and relocates somewhere else? 00:52:40
You could do that and then have some of them could be short term rental, but some of them. 00:52:46
Could be long term. 00:52:51
Housing, I hear you. 00:52:52
I will just note on that topic that. 00:52:54
The consistency from the state is a challenge and the three of us have been in conversations with the state. 00:52:57
So they don't allow short term rentals in Adus? 00:53:04
But they will not approve. 00:53:08
Law that doesn't allow short term rentals and Adu's. 00:53:11
And so just when you talk about the inconsistency. 00:53:14
And unfortunately with the state, it is one department doing one thing and another department doing another. 00:53:17
So HCD is the State Department that enforces affordable housing? 00:53:23
They have a mandate right now from the state to. 00:53:28
Focus on affordable housing at all costs. And so they came back and said no restrictions on building Adus. 00:53:31
Even though there's state law that says Adu shouldn't be used for short term rentals. 00:53:37
So there is. 00:53:41
You know, sometimes people go, well, the state wouldn't. You know, the state says this, and it's like, yeah, the state's also 00:53:42
saying this at the same time. So we deal with that. 00:53:46
Anyway. 00:53:49
Yeah, I live in Surfside 3 and I'm on the rules and rigs committee and we've. 00:53:52
Looked into short term rentals and so we went through all of the websites that market. 00:53:56
For short term rentals and we identified 14. 00:54:03
In our unit. 00:54:07
We would be happy to wrap these people out and we really want the city to get those taxes and if the city does charge. 00:54:08
$1000 per entity. 00:54:16
That alone would. 00:54:20
If you had 40 of them, that would pay a $40,000 salary, just just that. 00:54:22
Also, HOA's have a terrible time. 00:54:28
Fining people. 00:54:31
So in order to find someone, we have to notice them. Then they have 30 days to come to the board and to a committee and appeal. 00:54:33
Then after that they have another. So the administration of finding in an HOA is almost. 00:54:41
Cost prohibitive. 00:54:50
So it would be great. 00:54:52
If for example like what happened in my? 00:54:54
I live above a short term rental. 00:54:59
And they rented out to 8 college kids during spring break and 2:00 in the morning they're locking each other out and banging the 00:55:03
doors. So what would be great is if. 00:55:08
Also, we had something in there about the advertising. 00:55:15
That they could not what the choir that they had to place. 00:55:20
The rules in advertising and and when we went through this. 00:55:24
A lot of them do say no parties. 00:55:29
And what the quiet time is because people that this one doesn't. 00:55:32
And so there's lots of they rent out to people who then invite other people onto the property and they're using our pool, they're 00:55:38
monetizing the environment. 00:55:44
That we have created. 00:55:51
To make money, so we want them to pay a lot of taxes. 00:55:53
And we would help. 00:55:56
Identify these. 00:55:59
And including. 00:56:01
You just have to monitor who's parking in the parking space. You know, you know when they when there's turnover. 00:56:03
Which so if the HOA's could assist the city, I think we could keep it affordable because we want the city to be able to to use 00:56:08
that. 00:56:13
Revenue but I am a hypocrite because I stay in short term rentals a lot and I do enjoy them but it's. 00:56:18
It's got to be regulated. I think that's. 00:56:26
The consensus of what we heard and thank you for the comments is that. 00:56:30
You know, I think in the right hands, short term rentals can be a good thing, but if you have irresponsible tenant or an 00:56:33
irresponsible property owner can be a big problem so. 00:56:38
So we hear you, and that's what we're looking to address. 00:56:43
Think I had. 00:56:46
Seen a hand back there? 00:56:48
Yeah. And then I think we're going over here. 00:56:50
And one 2-3 after them. 00:56:53
And I saw. 00:56:56
Thought I saw someone else. 00:56:57
Yeah, if you guys come up with a good way to call on people. 00:56:59
I guess we're glad. I didn't think anybody would show up, so I didn't have a good process. Hi, I'm Rosemary Tobin from Anacapa 00:57:04
View beach Homes. My question is what is the definition of a neighborhood? 00:57:10
Are each of our homeowners associations considered a neighborhood? 00:57:16
So Surfside One has. 00:57:21
Our Surfside three, I think you said 300 runners. 00:57:23
And if it's ten percent, 300 units and if it's 10%? 00:57:26
We have 84 units and it's 10%. 00:57:31
Was is that what you're talking about as a neighborhood? 00:57:34
So do you, do you remember what the definition of neighborhood? 00:57:38
Was did we do it by homeowners associations? We didn't define it by neighborhood for this. 00:57:42
But a lot of cities just do like say 10% overall in the coastal zone. 00:57:48
Unless we did specific zoning overlays. 00:57:53
And which restricted each zoning overlay allowed that percentage and we have to go through and define it more. Thank you. That's 00:57:56
well. I think it should be defined more. Yeah. The reference we made earlier was with Oxnard, who did a 10% limit by neighborhood. 00:58:02
Is they defined it as that beachfront residential zone? 00:58:08
And so that that was how it was defined. When we write an ordinance, it would have to specify if we had a cap per. 00:58:12
Neighborhood. Then we'd have to define it. 00:58:19
OK. Thank you. Thank you. 00:58:21
I think the. 00:58:28
Next person left. 00:58:29
So I think we're going to the three of you now. 00:58:31
I just had a couple questions. Sure. One of them is the 10% cap. 00:58:37
I would like to know exactly what that means, exactly what she said. 00:58:43
Are you talking about 10% of the total? 00:58:47
Area of Port Wine Amy or 10% in each neighborhood. And I think you're right, it has to be. 00:58:49
More defined. 00:58:55
And my other question is when you write an ordinance and present it to the council. 00:58:56
What is the process of that becoming? 00:59:01
An ordinance that they approve, is there public input to that? Is their forum or whatever that, and I'm glad you asked. I was 00:59:04
going to go through that, but I felt like I was talking too much. 00:59:08
Ordinance process. We draft it for first reading. 00:59:13
There's a public hearing notice that goes out in the newspaper so people are aware. 00:59:17
So then we have the first hearing, if the Council approves it, with only with no changes or minimal changes. 00:59:20
Then two weeks later, it's a second hearing. 00:59:27
Second reading. 00:59:30
And then? 00:59:31
At that time it's adopted and 30 days later it's in effect. So that's the process. 00:59:32
If on that first reading council says Nope, you went in the wrong direction and people are telling us it's a terrible ordinance, 00:59:37
then we come back and we have to do a first reading all over again. 00:59:41
And just for another point, I do operate a short term rental. 00:59:45
And I'm totally in favor of. 00:59:49
Permitting process. 00:59:51
All the things I think as an owner. 00:59:53
All those people, I'm really surprised. 00:59:56
Of the few, I'm one of the 14 that does pay every month. Thank you for your time. So I'm paying, I'm paying taxes and I always 00:59:59
have. 01:00:03
But I I think that being a good neighbor is extremely important. 01:00:07
And I applaud you guys for putting the amount of work. 01:00:11
Doing this thing I was, I was surprised when I came to Port Hueneme, they said. 01:00:16
Yeah, you can pretty much do whatever you want to do. 01:00:19
And I thought, wow, that's kind of weird. 01:00:21
But right away I voluntarily paid that that tot tax and I do every month. Although it's really difficult, the website is really. 01:00:24
Needs updating. Well, we have a meeting with our vendors on that coming up, so we'll talk to them about that. 01:00:33
Thank you for that. 01:00:38
Yeah, I think we're going to. 01:00:40
Two and then I think you were going to be after. 01:00:42
Thank you. 01:00:45
Hello and thanks for the work you guys have been doing. Tom O'Toole. We have a condo over in the surf sides. 01:00:48
Just a couple of general comments. 01:00:53
In favor of some sort of regulation. 01:00:55
You know, first, the city's desperate for tax revenue. This seems to be a golden opportunity. 01:00:58
Second, as people probably aware, point winning me is a very small. 01:01:02
Community relative to the market forces in the area. 01:01:07
And the regulations and all the surrounding cities. 01:01:10
So something's not done. You may face issues or we may face issues. 01:01:12
Attendance in schools, there's a lot of fault flow through issues that could arise from having a higher and higher percentage. 01:01:17
Of short term rentals in the community. 01:01:23
In an unregulated state. 01:01:26
Also. 01:01:28
I really think this is an area where the city. 01:01:29
Could really help homers. 01:01:31
And Hoas. 01:01:34
It's really very hard for individuals and I think it was said before in a ways to try to come to terms with this issue, identify. 01:01:35
For us on their own, I think it's really an issue where the city could very much help. 01:01:42
Individual people. 01:01:46
I think's been spoken and then finally, just to share a personal experience. 01:01:47
We also have. 01:01:51
Live nearby what we strongly suspect isn't as a short term. 01:01:53
Rental We, for example, just had a major that lives above us. We just had this major flood. 01:01:57
The built, which from pipes maintained by the building. The building was like, hey, no, we're not going to handle it. You just 01:02:03
take all of it yourself. It's a major issue for us. 01:02:07
And apparently something was placed in a pipe above us. 01:02:11
You know, STR related, not who knows, but just common sense dictates that there's probably less of a chance. 01:02:15
Of something like that happening with a longer term tenant or at least a responsible. 01:02:22
Operation of something so. 01:02:27
Anyway, I just wanted to make those points for consideration and the externalities of the STR such as. 01:02:30
Insurance rates going up. 01:02:35
Denials. Risk of issues. 01:02:37
Is also something that the city should keep in mind in terms of encouraging. 01:02:39
Some sort of a regulatory environment? 01:02:42
Yeah, Thank you. Yeah, thank you very much. 01:02:45
We appreciate that. 01:02:48
Yeah, I think to that point, I'll just note that that was something. 01:02:49
When we started digging into it, we saw those limitations on HOA's that they would have to go through that coastal development 01:02:53
permit process on their own. 01:02:57
I think that sort of was the wake up call that, you know, it's, it's, that's a difficult thing to do and it's something even we 01:03:01
don't. 01:03:04
Somebody said don't go to coastal and you know we don't like to either so. 01:03:08
Yeah, exactly. 01:03:13
So I think you were next. 01:03:15
The name is José González and thank you very much. This has been. 01:03:20
So, so informative. 01:03:25
I live in an HOA where there is a ban on short term rentals. 01:03:28
It is in the CC and ours and in the roles that any rental must be. 01:03:33
At least for 30 days. 01:03:39
Or longer. 01:03:40
So. 01:03:42
I was completely unaware that that is. 01:03:43
An illegal ban. 01:03:45
And was it built before 70? No, it's fairly recent. I think Governor Newsom came down with some regulations that said that if you 01:03:47
had a. 01:03:52
You were restricting your lease. That couldn't be less than 30 days and at that point? 01:03:56
A lot of HOA's then changed their CCNR's and changed their rules. 01:04:02
Allowing. 01:04:08
30 days or more, but not less than 30 days. 01:04:09
So. So your material says that the HOA's have broad authority to regulate or restrict. 01:04:13
Short term rentals through their CC and ours outside of the coastal zone. 01:04:21
So you can try to regulate in your CC and R and rules. 01:04:26
But if you do. 01:04:31
Just I want to make sure I understand this. You need a. 01:04:33
Coastal development permit. 01:04:36
And it's unlikely that you'll get it. 01:04:39
Is that correct? 01:04:42
So what if you tried to ban short term rentals? You probably wouldn't get approved. 01:04:44
But what they call a reasonable regulation, which we can all argue about what's reasonable, but what they would call a reasonable 01:04:49
regulation, they theoretically would approve. 01:04:53
So within a an HOA if there was. 01:04:59
A regulation, a rule that said we won't permit. 01:05:03
Umm, less than. 01:05:07
You know, more than 5%. 01:05:09
That might get approved or. 01:05:12
And more likely than a total ban, yeah. 01:05:14
Oh, more likely than it, yeah. 01:05:17
Yeah, that's where I know we've talked a little bit about it. We talked about that 10% number. That's what we have seen that has 01:05:21
gotten approved by coast or by Coastal Commission. 01:05:25
It's possible they approve less, we just haven't seen that. 01:05:29
You know, it would seem to me that the Coastal Commission would give deference. 01:05:32
To HOA's. 01:05:38
Some ways. 01:05:39
Allow short term rentals. 01:05:41
Others don't. 01:05:43
And so. 01:05:45
You live in an HOA and they have their rules. 01:05:47
And you abide by their rules and. 01:05:50
Umm, you know, we just don't like. 01:05:53
People telling us what we can't and cannot do. 01:05:57
Because we have developed our rules and we have community participation and so forth. 01:06:01
And if the whole purpose of this is. 01:06:07
Access to the coast. 01:06:09
What if a request for a permit said? 01:06:11
There's 50 HOA's in Port wine, Amy. 01:06:14
And forty of them allow short term rentals, so. 01:06:18
We have coastal access. 01:06:22
It's not banned in the community but these other 10 HOA's. 01:06:25
Don't want to have it? 01:06:31
So would you in any way kind of? 01:06:34
You know, support. 01:06:37
The. 01:06:39
That. 01:06:40
That want to restrict this I mean. 01:06:42
It seemed to me that your. 01:06:44
Survey said that 49%. 01:06:47
Of the community was concerned. 01:06:50
42%. 01:06:53
Thought there would be a negative impact. 01:06:54
Those are substantial numbers. 01:06:57
Yeah, I hear you. I think if you ask would we support it? Hey, Well, it would ultimately be the council that approves it. So you 01:07:00
know, they'll hear from. 01:07:04
All perspectives. People who supported, people who don't, people who are. 01:07:09
You know, like you said, see both positive and negative. 01:07:13
So it's ultimately be what they approve I. 01:07:16
Mentioned this earlier. 01:07:19
And it's just for full transparency is the council asked me what do I think would get approved. 01:07:20
I would tell them what I think would get approved. 01:07:24
But if they said, well, we want to be more aggressive that than that and give it a shot. 01:07:26
And see if the Coastal Commission approves it, then we would. 01:07:30
We would try to do that. 01:07:34
But it's just. 01:07:35
For us right now. 01:07:37
We have an idea of what we think would get approved and what we don't think will get approved. And so we haven't seen where that. 01:07:38
Where an outright ban has been approved by Coastal Committee. 01:07:44
So and it's very similar, I know I referenced it earlier with the affordable housing items too we. 01:07:48
We talk about this a lot. The state makes sort of a. 01:07:52
One-size-fits-all rule that's supposed to fit everybody and port anemia is not like. 01:07:55
Most anywhere else in the world in the state. 01:07:59
So those one size fit rules, one size fit all rules usually don't make sense for us. 01:08:01
But we still have to. 01:08:06
Follow them just like everybody else. 01:08:07
So that's the struggle. 01:08:10
So thank you. Thank you. 01:08:11
Hi, I'm Jess Lopez. 01:08:22
Here is a private citizen. 01:08:24
A couple things. 01:08:29
If we're gonna like. 01:08:31
Reading the staff report, which is excellent, I know we. 01:08:33
We gave you guys direction, you guys, you guys moved with it, but. 01:08:37
I guess some recommendations would be to have two like. 01:08:42
Coastal Community. 01:08:47
And then anything, everything else of the. 01:08:49
Because there are other residents in single family dwellings who. 01:08:51
Probably have a different opinion. 01:08:56
Someone who lives in a in a high density condo like all the surf sites. 01:08:59
So that kind of give that some thought. 01:09:04
The other thought too is. 01:09:07
Venture capitalists who are. 01:09:10
You know who rent properties? 01:09:14
And Airbnb. 01:09:16
Like who's the underlying owner of the property? 01:09:18
Is is that going to be an issue with? 01:09:21
Them seeking a possible permit. 01:09:24
Since they're not the owner. 01:09:27
Something to think about as well. 01:09:28
What I see in the what I see in other cities that have STRS. 01:09:32
Is a trigger of. 01:09:36
Of law enforcement. 01:09:38
So are we going to be moving resources? 01:09:40
Into those areas, you know, being like either code enforcement. 01:09:43
So I I. 01:09:49
Do see a possible? 01:09:51
Uptick in those code enforcement issues and law enforcement issues. 01:09:54
You know, if there's quiet hours. 01:09:59
In those areas, is that going to be a? 01:10:01
An HOA thing that their own security is going to have to deal with? Or is it going to be? 01:10:03
Port Wayne, EPD. 01:10:09
Just things to think about. 01:10:11
Yeah. Thank you. Those are those are the things we will. 01:10:12
Think about We have the feedback now and. 01:10:15
I see one hand. 01:10:19
Well, while you're coming up, we have the feedback. We'll be working on that. 01:10:21
Um, about the. 01:10:26
You know the the hope would be with reasonable regulations and the. 01:10:29
Property owner or a manager as a as a contact that. 01:10:32
Hopefully umm. 01:10:35
Issues get resolved at that level and then it doesn't require significant additional, you know, police time or code enforcement 01:10:37
time, but. 01:10:40
But I think we have to be realistic that, you know. 01:10:44
Especially as it first rolls out, there will probably have to be some enforcement related to it. 01:10:47
So, so those are things that we'll we'll consider throughout that. 01:10:51
Process. Thank you. 01:10:54
Thank again. Thank you, James for the report and. 01:10:57
Putting the energy into the survey, it's great, great, great information. 01:11:01
And I know we have a lot of Hoas here and page I want to thank you for. 01:11:06
Bringing this to the Coalition's attention and bringing this to the city's attention because. 01:11:11
We all have different HOA's and we have different rules and regulations and. 01:11:15
One of the things that we determined in our coalition is that. 01:11:19
We individually as Hoas can't enforce this and we also don't want to have inconsistent policies and rules. 01:11:23
Where Surfside 3 has one rule for short term rentals and. 01:11:31
Anaheim Beach Homes has another one and it just becomes a disconnect. 01:11:35
So coming to the city to help us to provide guidelines. 01:11:40
And an ordinance and a policy that makes sense to all of us. 01:11:44
As well really what the goal was here and we we hope to. 01:11:48
Find a really the best Fast forward to make this work for us all. So I want to thank you for putting this together for us. Thank 01:11:52
you. 01:11:55
Thank you. 01:11:59
Before the next question, could I ask a? 01:12:00
Question. I'm going to go back to that slide. 01:12:03
That shows. 01:12:06
Coastal zone. 01:12:07
And the. 01:12:08
Associations within the coastal zone. 01:12:10
Now we in the survey we got, most of the responses were from people in that coastal zone. 01:12:13
So I think with a couple of the comments talking about sort of like, you know, there might be a difference between the need of the 01:12:20
coastal zone and. 01:12:24
Outside of the coastal zone. 01:12:27
Can I just ask? 01:12:31
If you don't want to answer, you don't have to, but just it would help us I think is. 01:12:32
How many people in the room are? 01:12:36
In the coastal zone in one of those associations. 01:12:38
OK. 01:12:42
Thank you. So that fits with I think the survey that I think and I think it's common sense, right is. 01:12:43
The most likely. 01:12:48
Person that's coming to pour I need me to visit for a couple days is probably wanting to stay by the beach. 01:12:50
I think that's what we're hearing, you know? 01:12:54
So I think that is good knowledge for us to have as we start to think about. 01:12:57
Is it a problem across the city or is it a problem? 01:13:02
In these neighborhoods, so. 01:13:05
And I did see a hand go up and then. 01:13:07
Is there anybody else who hasn't asked a question that wants to before we start? 01:13:13
Doing second. 01:13:17
Yeah, you can come up. 01:13:20
Just anybody else? 01:13:21
OK. So then we'll go back to. 01:13:22
Evening. Thank you James and the Council and also the city for all of this hard work. 01:13:32
As you can see, we're all very concerned about this, but as I. 01:13:37
And one of those people has been here long enough to see. 01:13:41
Other issues come into the city for. 01:13:44
Using real estate to increase. 01:13:48
City revenue, we've run into a few problems that have not been addressed here tonight. 01:13:51
And first of all, I don't know if you're in here in the. 01:13:56
Official. 01:14:00
Duties or not, but we'd like to thank you for your. 01:14:01
And thank you to also for being here. 01:14:03
But the last couple that we've had. 01:14:06
The biggest decisions were made by. 01:14:10
The base. 01:14:13
Because. 01:14:15
As we all know, they use the hotels. 01:14:16
They use the short term rentals, they use the long term rentals. 01:14:19
So. 01:14:23
Their impact on all of this might be greater than the rest of us and we never, I mean, because. 01:14:24
We're talking about thousands of people. 01:14:30
That they deal with while we're talking in our communities, just a few. So I think that's something that needs to be addressed as 01:14:32
we are working with this and you need to get what their feeling is. 01:14:37
The second is the. 01:14:42
Affordable housing. 01:14:45
Concerning indigenous peoples. 01:14:48
We have in the past. 01:14:50
Ran into an issue with that when we're trying to build. 01:14:52
Large scale. 01:14:56
Hotels here in in condominiums and found that. 01:14:58
You know there has to be in a certain amount. 01:15:01
Percentage that as allotted toward. 01:15:04
Affordable housing. 01:15:07
We don't even know what the percentage of affordable housing in this community is. 01:15:09
So we would need to know. 01:15:14
Not only. 01:15:17
Affordable housing but the ad use and then also. 01:15:18
What number, as Rosemary had mentioned. 01:15:21
Is in each particular. 01:15:25
Neighborhood and take you again Councilman Lopez he's he brought up the third thing. 01:15:28
One of your first things you said enlisted potential action is none. 01:15:33
I can guarantee you that will never be the answer. 01:15:38
Yes, you have seen in the past when we've been here for these what you weren't. Sometimes you were. 01:15:41
For some of these things, we don't. 01:15:46
Go with no action. We don't settle for no action. 01:15:49
If we're having a problem. 01:15:53
With people in our neighborhoods. 01:15:54
Who are in these short term rentals? 01:15:57
And we can't handle it. 01:15:59
You will. 01:16:01
And I think you've already seen that. 01:16:02
So the city is going to have to address this and at the same time. 01:16:04
I've heard talk about. 01:16:11
Changes in the police force. It's all going to work together and that's why we're all here. And again, thank you all for being 01:16:12
here and. 01:16:15
And thank you. 01:16:19
Thank you. 01:16:20
I think. 01:16:23
You'll say, and I'll say if you want to go next and then I know, I think you're. 01:16:24
After that and I thought I saw a third. 01:16:28
Hello, I'm Dulcie Satterfield and I. 01:16:35
Wanted to say just a little more. I touched on the insurance industry but and someone else mentioned externalities so I just want 01:16:38
to. 01:16:41
Encourage the city. 01:16:45
Maybe you, maybe other staff, but. 01:16:48
To probe there and get as much because they're coming up with new info and how much it relates to California or our part of 01:16:50
California, I don't know, but. 01:16:55
But the the impact on infrastructure, especially for these. 01:17:00
Older, yeah. 01:17:04
HOA COA's the the community is. 01:17:07
The condo communities we have here. 01:17:11
It's serious. 01:17:14
So that's a good source. I hope that there's more and more that you can dig, dig around and learn their. 01:17:16
But also I want to say. 01:17:22
Quiet noise. This has been mentioned as if we all are on the same page. What is noise? What does it mean I'm dealing with this? 01:17:24
Not with a short term renter. 01:17:31
Umm, but in my building. 01:17:34
There's a different situation and there's very, very different ideas. 01:17:37
Like someone says, oh, it's just a TV. Well, if it cranks up at 11:00 PM and it goes all night. 01:17:41
All night. 01:17:46
And then it's surging up louder and it could be something else, not TV, it could be the game console or whatever. 01:17:48
Other Whatever favorite devices people have these days. 01:17:55
But for someone coming up or on a short term visit. 01:17:58
And to them, oh, that's not noise, that's that's general lifestyle, that's normal lifestyle. 01:18:02
Or I'm from a different time zone or whatever different planet. 01:18:08
So even you, you get, you get into Muddy Waters. And I'm not saying don't go there, but it is a challenge because. 01:18:12
There sounds like trying to build a way to deal with if there's noise, but we don't even know if there's going to be a uniform. 01:18:21
Uniform idea of what is noise and what is terrible, terrible noise and if you don't get sleep, then you're more dangerous driving 01:18:28
and you're driving home and. 01:18:32
Or driving to work all the all the externalities of noise. 01:18:37
So just one thought I had is. 01:18:41
10% cap. 01:18:44
If. 01:18:47
The leadership. 01:18:48
Is in their wisdom thinks that's. 01:18:49
Something to do? 01:18:52
You may have twice as many noise issues as with a 5% cap. 01:18:54
And whether a cap even makes sense. I'm not going there, really. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. 01:18:59
But uh. 01:19:04
It's not necessarily going to be an easy one. 01:19:06
And then I still feel I don't know that anyone in this room or anyone took out. 01:19:10
I don't know if any respondent is from the lodging industry. 01:19:14
But I just, I care about fairness. 01:19:17
I care about fairness to the existing lodging. 01:19:20
Businesses. 01:19:24
And I hope the city can probe that a little, whether or not the survey was designed to whether or not the the responding comments 01:19:25
have pointed out at. 01:19:30
But it's not just about someone saying, oh I'm going to be entrepreneurial and open a short term rental. 01:19:36
They may or may not like it. They may phase out very quickly. A lot of things have flamed up and gone down. 01:19:42
In the 50s it was a. 01:19:47
It was go prospect for uranium. My dad did that in his spare time. 01:19:49
It was build a chinchilla. 01:19:53
Into and it was on. It was on I Love Lucy and stuff and it was like it was like viral, but in the old fashioned way of viral where 01:19:55
things spread through. 01:19:59
Newspaper or common gossip. So people get on this role and they do something and it's like flop. 01:20:03
And no, but then the lodging facilities that have been here and continue to be here. 01:20:08
There's a real value there, and I hope the city will fully. 01:20:14
Acknowledge and explore that. Thank you. 01:20:17
Thank you. Yeah, that's a good point about the fairness aspect. 01:20:20
I know I saw a hand here. 01:20:23
Then I did another hand go up over here. 01:20:25
James, thank you again for your presentation. I see some. 01:20:30
Real characters out here. 01:20:34
That I know it very well. 01:20:36
You know, it's been said by several people and I, I. 01:20:39
I would really like some real consideration regarding. 01:20:42
There's small Hoas like the one that I lived in 8384. 01:20:47
Homes and we have some really huge ones. So when we say 10%. 01:20:53
Which I understand is probably going to be the go to number. 01:20:57
Makes a big difference. We had problems with parking. 01:21:02
As it is. 01:21:05
Potential noise. It's a great community. 01:21:07
But nonetheless, what it would be at Surfside 3 or Surfside four, let alone what it would be over Wine EMI Bay is a huge 01:21:10
difference. So if you say 10% for the. 01:21:15
Overall community. 01:21:21
It would be. 01:21:23
More than the amount of homes that we have. 01:21:25
And our complex. 01:21:27
So it's I just trying to address that point that was brought up by several people. Yeah, correct. Thank you. And I think. 01:21:29
When you thank you for saying it the way he said it, cuz I think there are. 01:21:38
A couple things that could be potentially done. You know, obviously it would be a conversation, but. 01:21:43
You know, umm. 01:21:49
For example, somebody asked a question about how do you define neighborhoods? And so if we were just to look at the coastal, if 01:21:51
that's where we think there are the most issues, which it seems like it is. 01:21:55
And we said 10% of. 01:21:59
The houses within the coastal zone, that is less than 10% of the houses citywide. So you know there are things you could do like 01:22:01
that. 01:22:04
Or the other one that I we did see approved in another local city is. 01:22:08
No, they have to be distanced to certain distance apart. 01:22:12
So that's not necessarily a cap, but if you can only have one every. 01:22:17
1000 feet. 01:22:20
Then you can't. 01:22:22
Have everybody have. 01:22:23
You know so. 01:22:24
So there are some things that can be done that we have seen get approved, that have been approved by Coastal Commission. 01:22:25
I think I was just speaking generally to whether or not I've seen. 01:22:31
Like a, like a harder. 01:22:34
But there are there are some options there, but I think it's a good point if we're hearing most of the problems there within a 01:22:36
subset of the city. 01:22:39
Then you know, having a percentage of the whole city doesn't really help. 01:22:43
Just that. 01:22:47
That area so. 01:22:48
I thought another hand went up. 01:22:51
Sure. 01:22:55
I did mention I did mention this before, but I'd like to reiterate it. 01:23:00
There's a lot of subject matter that has to be reviewed and you guys have your hands full. 01:23:05
Clearly. 01:23:10
But I think that one of the most important things is can we somehow? 01:23:11
Achieve an individual. 01:23:16
In the city that monitors. 01:23:19
The TOTS and monitors the licensing. 01:23:21
It monitors the collection of funds. 01:23:27
Because I do believe there will be enough there to pay for that individual. 01:23:30
Hence we would then have somebody. 01:23:35
To correspond with in case. 01:23:38
We have an issue at Rhode Island, as an example. I can't overemphasize money talks. 01:23:40
And if you can get it. 01:23:47
Will be happy. 01:23:48
Thank you. 01:23:50
And I think that that's. 01:23:51
Exactly as if we put. 01:23:53
The regulations in place, including a permit that has a fee for people to operate, then we probably have the resources. 01:23:55
But if we can't, you know, and it's all gonna come down to this conversation, But if. 01:24:02
Nobody can agree to have a permit that. 01:24:06
Has a fee then we don't, we won't have the resources so. 01:24:08
I think with where we're going, we expect to have. 01:24:11
Permitting process, a fee process to have some support. It's just going to be a question of how much, based on what. 01:24:14
What we're able to do so. 01:24:20
All right, I thought I saw. 01:24:22
Is that a maybe? 01:24:24
Oh yeah, yeah. 01:24:35
Think there needs to be a mechanism? 01:24:37
For us to report, because as you say. 01:24:39
You go on the site, you don't see an address. 01:24:42
But if you're living in an HOA, you know who that is. 01:24:45
And there should be a mechanism to report. 01:24:49
The address. 01:24:52
To the city somebody needs to have. 01:24:54
Like you said, it's hard to figure it out. 01:24:57
And that takes time for somebody that's employed by the city or whoever. 01:25:00
But umm. 01:25:05
A reporting mechanism. 01:25:05
Would give you. 01:25:07
A heads up. 01:25:08
That's all. 01:25:10
I hear ya. 01:25:11
I agree, I think with part of. 01:25:12
Assuming that we move forward with some regulations. 01:25:15
We would have to have mechanisms like that in place. 01:25:19
I just want to reiterate what he said about reporting mechanism because we have this experience over and over again. We're at the 01:25:30
bottom floor of this. 01:25:35
A condo Surfside 3. 01:25:41
And I know that there's like a short term rental up above us and I see people, different people all the time. But when I spoke to 01:25:43
the owner vehemently denied it, that he never did the short term rental. 01:25:49
So that said, I mean, how are you gonna? 01:25:56
How are you going to go about it? 01:25:59
And of course, the HOA will not tell us because it's a private matter, so. 01:26:01
One of the the latest over the years said like there was eight people there, 8 college students. Unfortunately we were not there 01:26:07
at that moment, but we heard that it was really, really a bad incident and she was very, very. 01:26:14
You know, afraid to even knock on the door because she's not. She's an old lady and. 01:26:21
What would they do to her? Yeah. 01:26:26
So. 01:26:28
That's just my concern, so. 01:26:29
If I know I'm probably repeating, but if we adopted A regulation which. 01:26:31
You know, we expect to go through that process then we would have the mechanism for the to report and be able to. 01:26:36
Then follow up and we talked a little bit about it, but what we would anticipate doing is having that permit where? 01:26:42
If they have multiple violations and they aren't responding, they aren't fixing the problem, then we can potentially revoke the 01:26:48
permit. 01:26:51
So so. 01:26:55
All right. Any other questions? 01:26:59
Yeah, thank you. Thank, thank everybody for coming. I know it's a Wednesday night late, so I'm sure there's 1000 places you'd 01:27:03
rather be, but I appreciate you coming out and giving us the chance to talk about it. 01:27:08
And getting your feedback. 01:27:14
So our next step is we'll probably be going back to the City Council. Did we say a date? 01:27:15
Where we're thinking like. 01:27:19
Late August. Early September. 01:27:21
Because we want to compile all the results and this feedback today and bring it back to the Council. 01:27:24
So we'll make sure when we do that, we'll. 01:27:28
Figure out, we'll put it in like our newsletter and on our website so everybody knows when it's coming back so. 01:27:31
All right. Thank you, everybody. 01:27:36
Thank you. 01:27:39

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Short Term Rental PDF General Document

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Here, Umm. Uh. 00:00:00
We. We. 00:00:01
We're holding our short term rental community forum and we have a few. 00:00:03
Things we wanted to go over tonight, we're going to start with a presentation about short term rentals and. 00:00:09
Possible. 00:00:15
Regulations. Possible options for short term rentals. 00:00:17
And then we are going to go over the results of community survey that we held over the last couple months. 00:00:20
And talk about what feedback we got from members of the community. 00:00:27
And then we'll do a question and answer. At the end, we'll take questions about. 00:00:30
Short term rentals or how many regulations could work or would work? 00:00:36
And then at the end, we'll talk about next steps. 00:00:40
And what would happen after? 00:00:43
Tonight, uh. 00:00:46
To move this board. 00:00:47
Through the city so. 00:00:49
So we'll be planning to go through those things. I'll try to keep the presentation brief even though it has the survey results. So 00:00:50
there's a lot of slides of results, but we'll try to just go through those fairly quickly. 00:00:56
And hopefully we'll answer a lot of questions in the presentation. 00:01:01
But again, we'll take questions at the end of the presentation as well, so. 00:01:04
With that. 00:01:08
I'm going to kick it off. I. 00:01:10
I assume if you're here you're probably up to speed on short term rentals, but we're also streaming this so. 00:01:12
Just for anybody who may have been watching it who doesn't know what short term rentals are. 00:01:18
A short term rental. 00:01:23
Is essentially a any property that is rented out for less than 30 consecutive days. 00:01:25
It can be an entire home, an apartment, or an individual room. 00:01:32
A lot of people know short term rentals nowadays from Airbnb or VRBO are the two very popular. 00:01:36
Websites where you can rent a short term rental, but it doesn't have to be a lot of people. 00:01:43
Ask are we prohibiting? 00:01:48
Airbnb. And it doesn't have to be Airbnb. 00:01:50
For it to be a short term rental, it could be even a word of mouth or. 00:01:53
Advertised in a newspaper or magazine. 00:01:59
It could be any. 00:02:02
Property that is rented out for less than 30 consecutive days. 00:02:03
We. 00:02:08
Per state law, one question we get very often is. 00:02:11
Can I use an accessory dwelling unit as a short term rental? 00:02:15
If I. 00:02:19
An accessory dwelling unit or an AD. Use what a lot of people call them now. 00:02:20
And per state law, ad use are not allowed to be short term rentals now. 00:02:24
And so. 00:02:29
When we're talking about short term rentals, we're not talking about ad use because. 00:02:30
Those have already been regulated by state law. 00:02:34
So here in Port Hueneme. 00:02:38
The question we get often is what does the city do about short term rentals? 00:02:41
Currently, the city has no regulations restricting short term rentals. 00:02:44
We currently are aware of our I should say we we have received. 00:02:52
Confirmation of 14 short term rentals. 00:02:57
That are operating within the city that have actually been paying the. 00:03:01
Transient occupancy tax, which is another phrase for hotel tax. 00:03:05
And so we know of 14 that have been paying that. 00:03:11
In the amount of 24 to $29,000 annually over the last few years. 00:03:15
But we're also aware as we've been going through this process that there are. 00:03:20
Many more short term rentals operating within Port Hueneme. 00:03:24
We're aware at the time of. 00:03:27
Putting this report together. 00:03:30
That there were 46. 00:03:32
Short term rentals on Airbnb? 00:03:34
And 12 on VRBO. 00:03:36
Some of those may have been duplicates, but. 00:03:38
It's many more short term rentals than have actually registered or have been paying the hotel tax. 00:03:41
One thing that we. 00:03:50
A phrase that you're gonna hear. 00:03:52
A lot throughout this presentation is. 00:03:53
California coastal zone. 00:03:56
And it's important because the state. 00:03:58
Has the ability. 00:04:01
To limit what the city can or can't do. 00:04:03
Within the California coastal zone. 00:04:06
Essentially, those properties that are. 00:04:09
Closer to the beach. 00:04:12
And so it's worth noting that the majority of those listings that we saw the 46 and 12. 00:04:14
The majority of them are within the coastal zone. 00:04:21
So we'll explain why that's important here in one moment. 00:04:23
So before we do that, we just wanted to give some background on. 00:04:31
What cities can do with short term rentals? 00:04:35
Short term rental regulatory options can include and generally include. 00:04:39
A Permitting our licensing, uh, uh. 00:04:44
Process. Umm. 00:04:46
Again, so going back to that last slide, we we currently do not require any additional permits or anything for somebody to operate 00:04:48
a short term rental. 00:04:52
But a city could require a permit or a license for operation of a short term rental. 00:04:56
The city could limit the amount of short term rentals. 00:05:02
Based on a percentage of total units or an overall number. 00:05:06
The city could impose application requirements, such as a proof of property ownership. 00:05:13
Local contact information. Neighbor notification. 00:05:17
Those are often called, they call them sort of good neighbor requirements. 00:05:21
And the idea being that there's some good neighbor standards that the property owner makes sure that when he's renting the 00:05:26
property. 00:05:29
That there's. 00:05:32
Things like rules regarding trash, noise, nuisances. 00:05:34
In a way to contact the property owner if there's a problem. 00:05:39
So those are those are fairly standard in cities. 00:05:43
With regulations. 00:05:46
And then another thing is. 00:05:48
Fees can our cities can establish a fee to cover the cost of. 00:05:49
That permitting process or the cost of enforcing if somebody is violating rules related to short term rentals. 00:05:54
And then lastly, cities can can mandate the short term renters operators collect and remit hotel tax, tot tax. 00:06:02
Throws people off a lot because because it is called a hotel tax. 00:06:11
But it actually is applicable to anybody. 00:06:14
Operating a transient occupancy facility, which is. 00:06:19
Any facility that has that less than 30 days stay requirement, so it could be somebody's house that would be. 00:06:23
Subject to the hotel tax. 00:06:28
And then finally, the city can establish A mechanism for auditing, reporting and enforcing the tax obligations of. 00:06:32
Those short term rentals, so those are abilities that the city would have to. 00:06:38
To have regulations. 00:06:43
They also can. 00:06:45
Have these requirements that they can establish an operational standard. 00:06:49
Like things like a maximum number of nights rented per year. 00:06:54
Like I said earlier, good neighbor requirements, parking requirements. 00:06:58
Noise requirements, Quiet hour requirements, trash management protocols. 00:07:01
And uh. 00:07:07
One of the things that a lot of cities are starting to do is requiring specific signage. 00:07:08
That would. 00:07:14
Post rules in a contact information so that if. 00:07:15
Your neighbors doing a short term rental and their tenants are allowed they. 00:07:18
There's a number that you can call and have the property owner respond and deal with it. 00:07:22
So those are some of the basic. 00:07:26
Things that cities have done. 00:07:29
And then as part of that. 00:07:30
When the rules are established, there's also the opportunity to have fines for violations of those of those requirements. 00:07:32
Or eventually permit revocation. 00:07:42
If somebody continues to violate the rules and continues to get complaints, so. 00:07:46
Cities have those capabilities with one big asterisk that's important to note, and it goes back to that California coastal zone. 00:07:50
Note that we talked about is. 00:07:58
Properties that are within the coastal zone. 00:08:01
Regulated. 00:08:04
By the state. 00:08:05
We there are some limitations on what the city can do. 00:08:09
And. 00:08:12
In our city, we are fortunate that we are a beautiful beach community, but that means. 00:08:13
One of our challenges is a lot of the city falls within the coastal zone. 00:08:19
This slide. 00:08:23
Shows the map. 00:08:24
With maybe, maybe a little difficult to see, but that blue line that. 00:08:25
I think most people when I talk to them. 00:08:30
It surprises them that that much of the city is by the. 00:08:33
Or is in the coastal zone. 00:08:36
I think a lot of people assume it would just be the beach area down to the South end of town, but it does go. 00:08:38
Up in North because of the. 00:08:43
Hollywood Beach strand areas. 00:08:46
And so several of our communities are within the coastal zone. 00:08:49
Surf Sides. 00:08:53
Search Sites 1234. Surfside Village Pacific Collection. The Bungalows. 00:08:55
Hemlock. 00:09:00
Victoria Marina, Vic. 00:09:01
When Amy Shores, Shell Harbor, Harbor Villages, Marlborough Seaside. 00:09:04
And I kept a few condos and beach homes. 00:09:08
The Hideaways, Beachport Cottages, B Port Villas. 00:09:11
Portside Homes, Willowbrook. 00:09:14
And uh. 00:09:16
The areas West of Ventura Road and South of Pleasant Valley. Areas South of Winnie Me Rd. in areas around City Hall. City halls in 00:09:17
the coastal zone as well. 00:09:21
And so the properties that are within. 00:09:25
The coastal zone. 00:09:28
Have a special set of. 00:09:32
Rules essentially. 00:09:34
Because the Coastal California Coastal Commission. 00:09:36
Limits what the city can do. 00:09:41
In those zones. 00:09:43
And so. 00:09:45
The Coastal Commission has a mandate to protect and enhance public access to California's coast. 00:09:47
I think this throws people. 00:09:53
Awful lot and and I know it took me a while to get used to, but. 00:09:54
There's a theory, like I think the general idea is people think that the Coastal commission's goal is to sort of protect the 00:09:58
beach. 00:10:01
But it's really to enhance. 00:10:05
Public access to the beach, they actually want to ensure that there's. 00:10:07
Visitors coming to beaches in California. 00:10:11
And so. 00:10:14
When you. 00:10:15
Think about that. 00:10:16
It then makes sense why they don't necessarily want to allow cities to prohibit all short term rentals. 00:10:18
The coastal areas because they want to ensure that people can come visit our beaches. 00:10:24
So so cities have some power. 00:10:28
We can. 00:10:33
Have some regulations, but we have to preserve visitor access. 00:10:35
And address community concerns and we have to essentially get it approved. 00:10:39
By the Coastal Commission. 00:10:43
With whatever we're trying to do related to short term rentals or. 00:10:45
Other planning related items as well. 00:10:49
And so. 00:10:52
There's some information on this slide about the coastal development permit process. 00:10:55
But I think the key thing that's worth noting. 00:10:59
Is that? 00:11:02
If you live in those communities we just discussed. 00:11:03
That are. 00:11:06
In the coastal zone. 00:11:07
There's a cut off date of 1977. 00:11:10
That essentially when the Coastal Commission. 00:11:16
Coastal development permit process got. 00:11:21
Adopted in 1977. 00:11:24
Any rules that? 00:11:26
Any like HOA or? 00:11:28
Potentially city had about short term rentals. 00:11:31
Before 1977. 00:11:34
Can stay in place. 00:11:36
But anything after 1977 now has to get approved by the Coastal Commission. 00:11:38
And they are stricter with short term rentals than some of the cities around us. 00:11:43
Well, they are. 00:11:47
They protect short term rentals more than some of the cities around us. 00:11:50
They don't let. 00:11:54
Cities just outright banned short term rentals in the coastal zones. 00:11:55
And so that last note on this slide is that? 00:12:01
If we were to try to do something about short term rentals. 00:12:04
We'd have to then submit that. 00:12:07
What the city is doing to the Coastal Commission? 00:12:09
And if we were to just, if we were to be too aggressive, they would likely reject whatever the city. 00:12:12
Does including if we try to do a full ban on short term rentals? 00:12:17
The Coastal Commission would. 00:12:21
Has rejected that in other areas. 00:12:22
Would likely reject it. 00:12:24
In Port Hueneme as well. 00:12:25
So we looked a little bit to see what has the Coastal Commission actually approved. 00:12:32
What have they approved in other cities around us? 00:12:36
Is sort of a guideline of. 00:12:39
What we think they could have, could approve. 00:12:41
Locally, umm. 00:12:44
And so they require some, or they've approved some reasonable regulations, but not an outright ban. 00:12:45
They've approved limiting the total number of short term rentals by neighborhood are by ratio. So something like. 00:12:52
No more than 10% of a of a neighborhood can be. 00:12:59
Operated as short term rentals, something like that the Coastal Commission has approved. 00:13:03
They've restricted certain housing types from use as STR's the. 00:13:08
The big ones we mentioned earlier for per state laws, 80 use can't be used for short term rentals, accessory dwelling units. 00:13:12
And typically affordable units can't be used as short term rental units. 00:13:18
They've allowed capping and occupancy and rental duration. 00:13:23
So rental duration would be something like saying that people could stay for. 00:13:27
No less than one week because we don't want people constantly moving in and out of property, something like that. 00:13:32
The Coastal Commission has approved those types of things. 00:13:38
They've allowed requirements or regulations that deal with those good neighbor requirements. 00:13:42
Parking, garbage, noise, requiring that 24 hour manager to be available to respond if there's problems. 00:13:47
They've required, they've approved requirements that. 00:13:54
The property owner posts clear signage with contact information and operational rules. 00:13:58
And they've approved cities ensuring that there's a transient occupancy tax payment. 00:14:03
And a strong enforcement process related to complaints, which is not an outright ban. 00:14:07
So I think that's important and as we go through this and we go through some of the survey results. 00:14:14
I think what we heard from a lot of people is some reasonable regulation makes sense, but. 00:14:19
Not an outright ban, and not nothing. Not no regulation at all. 00:14:24
And I think. 00:14:29
When we looked at California Coastal Commission. 00:14:30
They. 00:14:33
Be on that same page of reasonable regulations. 00:14:35
That make sure that. 00:14:38
People are being good neighbors. 00:14:40
Are good. 00:14:42
Outright bans or not. 00:14:44
So. 00:14:48
Another factor that we have and we kind of mentioned this earlier, is on top of the state. 00:14:53
Being one factor in the Coastal Commission with short term rentals. 00:14:58
There's also the impacts on homeowners associations. 00:15:03
So any regulation significantly affecting short term rentals in the coastal zones? 00:15:07
Must align with state law. 00:15:12
Undergo the Coastal Commission review. 00:15:14
But outside of the coastal zone. 00:15:17
Homer because the coastal zone limits what the city and homeowners associations can do. 00:15:19
Outside of the coastal zone, homeowners associations have broader authority to regulate or restrict short term rentals. 00:15:24
Through their CC and ours and I know we've we got some feedback and some questions about that. 00:15:31
I think. 00:15:37
Homeowners associations that are within the coastal zone that didn't have rules in place prior to 1977. 00:15:38
Are limited by. 00:15:44
The Coastal. 00:15:46
Commission. 00:15:48
But the homeowners associations that are outside of the coastal zone. 00:15:49
Or had a rule in place before 1977. Has the ability to regulate. 00:15:54
Short term rentals through. 00:15:58
CC and ours. 00:16:01
So we have some legal precedents here that. 00:16:03
Listed some cases that established those rules. 00:16:08
The and then the note below. Coastal development permit requirements. 00:16:12
Note an HOA regulating short term rentals in the coastal zone requires. 00:16:16
Just like with the city requires that coastal development permit. 00:16:21
And I already spoke to this but the. 00:16:25
The cutoff date is that 1977 date. If it existed before 1977, it can be enforced. 00:16:28
Rules after 1977 have to go through a permit process and the state is like. 00:16:34
Is. 00:16:41
Is unlikely to ban short term or allow a ban of short term rentals. 00:16:43
But would allow reasonable regulations under those permits. 00:16:47
So some challenges that that we want to just have everybody think of when we're talking about potential short term rental 00:16:55
regulations. 00:17:00
Is some challenges. 00:17:05
That we would expect our resource constraints, including the fact that we don't have employees that work 24 hours a day other than 00:17:07
the. 00:17:12
The Police Department, typically. 00:17:17
So we. 00:17:20
Which is why some of those regulations that. 00:17:22
Have the owner identify a point of contact that would respond. 24 hours would be key. 00:17:25
Because if we don't have that and somebody just called City Hall at 2:00 in the morning for a short term rental, it's probably 00:17:31
going. 00:17:34
To voicemail, so. 00:17:38
So. 00:17:40
When we get to some of the regulations we're looking at and we talk about the process to have the owner. 00:17:42
Be part of that process. That's that's one of the issues we're trying to address. 00:17:48
So that it's not. 00:17:52
Your taxpayer dollars paying for. 00:17:53
The management of one person's private. 00:17:56
Short term rental. 00:17:59
And so. 00:18:00
The resources, the staffing, the budget. 00:18:02
Those are really the challenges. 00:18:05
The other challenge that cities have dealt with is the identification issue. 00:18:07
Typically the online listings don't give property addresses, so it takes a bit of work to find. 00:18:12
Who is actually doing the short term rental? 00:18:19
But there are some ways to do it. 00:18:22
But it is a challenge and a process. 00:18:26
And then we mentioned there some of those enforcement tactics like requiring that property owner to be. 00:18:29
Available. 00:18:35
24/7. 00:18:36
A complaint hotline, online monitoring monitoring tools in a penalty structure that. 00:18:37
Would increase. 00:18:42
If there's violations and then up to revocation of the permit. 00:18:43
So those are some of the paths for it. 00:18:48
I won't go through the next couple slides in depth. We'll make we have this available and we'll make it. We'll put it on the 00:18:51
website so that anybody who wants to go back and look at it later can. 00:18:55
But when we were preparing. 00:19:01
Our report and our item. We looked at neighboring cities. 00:19:03
What they're doing? 00:19:08
And, umm. 00:19:10
Just briefly. 00:19:11
You'll see. 00:19:13
Sort of the commonalities. 00:19:15
Oxnard, Carpinteria. And on the next slide is the City of Ventura and the County of Ventura. 00:19:17
All have some sort of. 00:19:23
Short term rental. 00:19:26
Permitting process. 00:19:28
That requires people to apply for a permit. 00:19:30
To remit the hotel tax. 00:19:33
Some of them where they differ a little bit is some have stricter limits than others. 00:19:36
Oxnard, for example, does have a 10% limit. 00:19:41
On short term rentals in the residential beachfront zone, so right at the beach and that. 00:19:44
Is one that went through Coastal Commission was approved. 00:19:51
And then a 5% limit per neighborhood map in the rest of the city. 00:19:55
They also put a minimum three night stay so that again just so you don't have people coming and going constantly. 00:19:59
So minimum of a three night stay and a cap of 100 rental days per calendar year. 00:20:05
And so. 00:20:10
But generally what we saw in most of them are. 00:20:12
What we call those good neighbor rules. 00:20:15
You can see it under Oxnard, Oxnard's ordinance. 00:20:17
So they have a. 00:20:21
Occupancy limit. 00:20:23
Two guests per bedroom, +2 extra with a Max of total so. 00:20:25
So for example A5 bedroom house. 00:20:30
Would be a maximum of 10, not. 00:20:32
2 for each bedroom +2. 00:20:35
They would just be maximum 10 total. 00:20:37
And so. 00:20:39
They have that rules like that. 00:20:40
Requiring that the house provide off street parking. 00:20:43
You know, the driveway or the garage to ensure that they're not bringing a bunch of parking impacts to the neighborhoods. 00:20:46
And quiet hours. 00:20:52
To ensure that there's not noise issues. 00:20:54
So across most of the cities. 00:20:56
Those were the regulations that we saw. 00:20:59
And I'll go to City of Ventura. 00:21:02
Here, where they also have good neighbor rules. 00:21:05
For example, theirs is very similar, a ten person total at a house. 00:21:07
A off street parking space per bedroom, so a little bit more aggressive with the parking. 00:21:12
Which probably makes sense. I think certain areas of Ventura have bigger parking challenges than. 00:21:20
Than some of those beachfront areas in Oxnard. 00:21:25
And then? 00:21:28
Quiet hours beginning at 9:00 PM. So those are. 00:21:29
Rules you sort of see across the board of just making sure that. 00:21:32
I think it's a. 00:21:37
Reasonable approach of not. 00:21:38
Not outlawing short term rentals, but making sure that they're not impacting. 00:21:40
The neighbors. 00:21:45
So, so that is something that. 00:21:46
We've seen across several agencies. 00:21:48
And I think when we get to our survey data, we heard similar thoughts from the community. 00:21:52
And so with that. 00:21:59
We after this survey and after this town hall. 00:22:02
We are going to take all the data we've gotten. 00:22:06
To date and we're going to put together. 00:22:09
Options for the City Council. 00:22:12
And when we brought it to the City Council initially. 00:22:15
They gave us the direction to come. 00:22:18
Get the feedback, have the workshops. 00:22:22
And I think. 00:22:24
Generally the feeling was that we look closely at that moderate, moderate regulation and maybe. 00:22:25
A couple of the comprehensive regulation ideas. 00:22:32
Like potentially a cap on how many short term rentals? 00:22:35
But the. 00:22:39
The good thing about being here tonight is no decisions have been made yet. 00:22:40
There was sort of that discussion of here's some ideas. 00:22:44
But it really was a situation where the council then said. 00:22:47
Now go talk to the community, get that feedback and bring it back and let's see if if everybody's on the same page. 00:22:51
Well, I shouldn't say everybody because it might not be everybody on the same page, but if there's a consensus that. 00:22:57
Generally, the community agrees with. 00:23:03
What direction we're going in, so. 00:23:05
That's part of the. 00:23:07
Goal here tonight. 00:23:08
But before we do that. 00:23:11
We wanted to go through the survey results. We had the survey active for months. We actually got a lot of responses. 00:23:13
Think it was over? 00:23:18
Maybe right under 200. 00:23:20
203 OK. 00:23:22
So 203 responses, probably the most responses we've ever gotten on it any survey. 00:23:24
Yeah. 00:23:30
So 203 response is. 00:23:32
And so I won't go through them ad nausea but we wanted to. 00:23:34
Make sure we highlight them. 00:23:39
Because a lot of times the cities do surveys and then later people go. I did a survey and I never heard anything about it. I never 00:23:40
saw any. 00:23:43
You know what was the point? 00:23:46
And so we did this survey. 00:23:48
Results are going to go back to the Council for when they make a decision. 00:23:52
But we also just wanted to highlight it here and explain sort of why we're looking to. 00:23:56
Right now in the direction we're looking. 00:24:01
And so. 00:24:04
Going through the survey results this first. 00:24:05
Page was just demographics. Most of the responses were from home owners instead of renters or vacationers or short term rental 00:24:08
operators. 00:24:13
Although it's interesting that we actually had people respond across all of those, even some people who just identified themselves 00:24:18
as vacationers. 00:24:22
We majority of results, about almost 70%, are full time Port Hueneme residents. 00:24:27
And I have terrible eyesight, so I have to look at the CHEAT SHEET here. 00:24:36
We looked at neighborhoods, I think. 00:24:41
I think it was reasonable to assume we'd probably get most results from the beach area because I think those are the ones. 00:24:44
That generally see the short term rental problem before everybody else because that's usually the first spot people start. 00:24:52
Start coming and using short term rentals. 00:24:57
So from our results, the vast majority of them were in. 00:25:00
Beach areas, or at least areas that are in our coastal zone. 00:25:05
Some of the interesting questions we asked. How many short term rentals are you aware of in your neighborhood? 00:25:13
And uh. 00:25:19
A good chunk of people, about 30%, said at least. 00:25:20
One to five short term rentals. 00:25:23
And I think I was surprised that we had over 10% that were that said they were aware of 10 plus short term rentals. 00:25:25
So that's that's quite a bit. 00:25:32
And going back to when we talked about possible regulations. 00:25:34
A lot of cities have put the cap of not having more than you know, 10 per. 00:25:38
Neighborhood for example. 00:25:43
And so we're hearing from people who say that they believe that there's at least 10 short term rentals in their neighborhood. 00:25:45
So so. 00:25:51
That next chart, how do you perceive the presence of short term rentals in your neighborhood? 00:25:54
41% said negative impacts from. 00:25:58
From those short term rentals. 00:26:01
So good to see 23% said positive that's and then? 00:26:03
26% both said both positive and negative. 00:26:10
So I think that's fair to say that's about 67% who see some negative impact. 00:26:14
And I think that'll be important to keep in mind because. 00:26:20
When we're talking about some of the regulations, the goal would be just simple regulations that help. 00:26:23
Address those negative impacts or give somebody the ability. 00:26:28
To do something if they see those negative impacts. 00:26:31
So the next questions. 00:26:37
I'll try to go through these quicker. 00:26:39
Generally short term rentals. 00:26:42
Were more supported in single family home areas than in. 00:26:44
Multifamily areas, commercial areas, or other. 00:26:48
And short term rentals. 00:26:52
53% of residents strong respondents strongly agreed that short term rentals should be required to obtain a permit. 00:26:55
And pay taxes similar to hotels. 00:27:04
The next slide, 8989, respondents 44%. 00:27:10
Strongly agreed that short term rentals should have a minimum stay, minimum night stay requirement. 00:27:14
And then for. 00:27:20
Question 9. 00:27:22
The minimum number of nights a short term rental should be rented out for. 00:27:24
56 said said at least one night and 56 said at least three nights. 00:27:27
And then? 00:27:33
Almost an equal amount, 51 said it should be 10 plus night minimum. 00:27:35
We asked and this is common in beach communities. 00:27:46
Should there be a seasonal change to minimum rentals? So in other words. 00:27:50
You know, umm. 00:27:54
Where you have. 00:27:56
Have a different rules during summer. 00:27:57
When you'd expect more beach visitors. 00:28:01
Than during winter when you'd expect fewer. 00:28:03
On this one. 00:28:07
This one is 1. I was a little surprised that I think 78% of respondents said that. 00:28:09
Know it should be the same rule year round. 00:28:15
And then? 00:28:17
The rest about 20%. 00:28:19
A respondent said yes. 00:28:22
Different during different seasons. 00:28:24
And then that last one, I think is a big one that I think we heard a lot about. 00:28:28
Over the last couple months is. 00:28:33
The idea of. 00:28:35
Requiring the short term rental to have some sort of responsible caretaker operator. 00:28:36
Someone responsible that can respond to problems or issues at any time. 00:28:41
And 61% of survey. 00:28:48
Takers said yes, strongly agree that somebody should be available. 00:28:51
At all times to respond to problems or issues. 00:28:56
On these #12 here. 00:29:03
Should a short term rental property be limited to a maximum number of rentals per year? 00:29:06
100 and 1357% actually said. 00:29:11
There should be no limit. 00:29:15
On a cap. 00:29:16
So that is interesting because it tells us that. 00:29:18
It's more about making sure. 00:29:20
That. 00:29:23
You're able to get a hold of somebody. 00:29:24
If there's a problem then just saying. 00:29:26
You know, no short term rentals or no. 00:29:29
Or a limit on short term on the number of. 00:29:31
Nights that a short term rental can be rented. 00:29:34
And then #13 was should there be a minimum distance between short term rentals? 00:29:37
That one also. 00:29:41
Was the. 00:29:42
56% said no, there should not be a minimum distance and that would be something like. 00:29:44
Saying that. 00:29:49
There has to be. 00:29:50
You know, 1000 feet between short term rentals so. 00:29:51
The majority said no. 00:29:54
There was 30% who said a 400. 00:29:56
Foot limit. 00:30:00
But the majority said no limit. 00:30:01
On the distance. 00:30:03
So, so far, I think the what we're seeing is the trend is. 00:30:06
Making sure that if somebody's having a short term rental that they're operating them well, that they're responsive and they make 00:30:10
sure that the tenants are doing. 00:30:14
The right thing. 00:30:19
Versus a ban. 00:30:20
Like a hard cap on short term rentals. 00:30:22
So on #14 should there be a limit on the number of properties allowed to operate as a short term rental? 00:30:25
35% said no. 00:30:31
42% said up to 10% limit, which is similar to what I think Ventura. 00:30:33
And Oxnard did, in within areas of their cities. 00:30:39
And then? 00:30:42
There were fewer responses that had that supported a 20 percent, 30% or more. 00:30:44
Limit. 00:30:48
That was oops, I'm sorry, I forgot to go to that one. 00:30:53
So this was the slide I was just referring to with the limit. 00:30:58
So next question was essentially how many people have noise concerns related to short term rentals? 00:31:03
50% said they had noise concerns. 00:31:09
17% said somewhat. 00:31:13
And so 33% said not a concern. 00:31:15
For parking 55% and parking is on the right here. 55% said it was a concern. 00:31:18
17 said somewhat concern and 28% said not a concern. 00:31:25
So a majority are just about a majority of people with both parking and noise concerns. 00:31:29
For the next slide shows traffic. 00:31:37
Which has about 38% concerned. 00:31:40
And 40% not concerned. So traffic doesn't seem to be a primary concern. 00:31:44
Related to short term rental. 00:31:49
And. 00:31:51
The next on the right is a. 00:31:53
Is it a? Is a lack of timely response from the owner or manager a concern? 00:31:55
And 53% said. 00:32:00
Concern with only 28% saying not a concern. 00:32:02
Next couple of questions, was is trash a concern related to short term rentals? 00:32:09
54% said it was a concern. 00:32:14
With 30% saying not a concern. 00:32:17
One of the the next on the right says reduction of available housing. 00:32:20
And just to explain that one of the. 00:32:25
Concerns that is raised with short term rentals is that. 00:32:27
If you're if we're letting somebody run a short term rental, it means that that's one less. 00:32:31
House for a family local family to live in. 00:32:36
So that. 00:32:39
Is why some cities put that like a 10% cap or something like that to make sure that. 00:32:40
The majority of houses are still available. 00:32:45
For families to live in. 00:32:48
And so. 00:32:51
We asked the question, is a reduction of available housing a concern? 00:32:52
And 42% said yes, it's a concern. 40% said not a concern. 00:32:57
So. So that one was. 00:33:03
There's a concern, but it wasn't as major of a concern as some of those other issues identified. 00:33:07
So next slide has two more items. 00:33:15
Is trespassing or invasion of privacy related to short term rentals a concern? 00:33:17
45% said yes, 20% said somewhat, and 35% said not concerned. 00:33:23
And then are the impacts on road and infrastructure a concern? 00:33:29
35% said yes. 00:33:34
43% said no, so that seems to be less of a concern. 00:33:37
Than most of the other items. 00:33:42
And finally, I think this is the last one. 00:33:44
Two more items is. 00:33:50
Is a loss of neighborhood feeling and familiarity a concern? 00:33:52
And 50% said yes, it's a concern. 00:33:56
16 said somewhat and 35% said not a concern. 00:34:00
And then last. 00:34:05
Going back to having an. 00:34:06
Somebody available to call? 00:34:08
Is not having someone to call or report an issue to a concern? 00:34:10
And 53% said yes, 15% said somewhat, and 31% said not a concern. 00:34:15
So that that seemed to be one that we heard. 00:34:22
A lot about just. 00:34:26
Knowing who to call if there's a problem. 00:34:27
So with that. 00:34:31
As we reviewed the survey results, we sort of summarized it to say that. 00:34:35
Our read of that is that the moderate regulation option is seems to be the one that the majority of people are looking for. 00:34:40
Those good neighbor standards, good neighbor requirements like occupancy. 00:34:48
Issues noise. Issues the formal permit process with the. 00:34:54
Manager 24/7 contact available. 00:34:59
And then ensuring that the city has some oversight if there's problems and they aren't responsive, then the city could potentially 00:35:02
revoke the permit if if they aren't being responsive. 00:35:07
2 concerns. 00:35:11
So that's what we're classifying as moderate regulation. 00:35:13
With the idea that the. 00:35:17
The strictest regulation would be an outright ban, which is just unlikely. 00:35:20
To even be approved by Coastal Commission. 00:35:25
And also doesn't seem to be what people are asking for. 00:35:28
Via the survey results. 00:35:31
So. 00:35:33
Last there. 00:35:35
We talk about the overall perception of short term rentals. 42% said that they have a negative impact. 00:35:38
27% said both positive and negative and 23% said positive. 00:35:44
So, umm. 00:35:48
That tells you that there's. 00:35:50
About 40, I'm sorry, 50%. 00:35:52
I'm sorry, Yeah, 50%. 00:35:55
That say that there's some positive associated at least some positive with short term rentals. 00:35:57
But it also tells you that there is. 00:36:02
Also more than 50% who say that there's also some negative impact with short term rentals. 00:36:05
I think that just goes to. 00:36:10
What we said a moment ago, our read of the survey result is. 00:36:13
That people just want to make sure that they're being managed appropriately. 00:36:16
And so. 00:36:24
Just finalizing on the survey results. 00:36:30
We mentioned the focus on the good Neighbor rules in the nuisance mitigation. 00:36:34
The highest concerns there were parking trash. 00:36:38
Neighborhood feeling, lack of on site accountability. 00:36:41
And so those would be areas that we would. 00:36:44
Try to draft some regulations related to. 00:36:47
And uh. 00:36:50
The one that there was a little bit of a mix on with the citywide cap. 00:36:51
And so that's one that. 00:36:56
Generally most people said no cap or 10% cap. 00:36:59
So that's one that is probably going to be a further discussion. 00:37:02
Conversation. 00:37:07
And so. 00:37:10
With that, that's the results of the survey, that's. 00:37:11
The information we've gathered to this point. 00:37:15
We're going to take questions and answers and we'll. 00:37:19
We'll try to answer any questions. 00:37:22
We just wanted to end with saying. 00:37:24
What the next step is? 00:37:26
And after tonight? 00:37:28
We're going to compile all of the. 00:37:30
The comments, the questions, the feedback, survey results. 00:37:32
Conversation from tonight. 00:37:35
Into a staff report that goes back to the council. 00:37:36
At this point, it would probably be in about August that it would go back to the Council. 00:37:40
The council will review. 00:37:45
What we put together and then give us direction on whether. 00:37:47
You know, say. 00:37:50
Yes, include these things in an ordinance or don't include these things in an ordinance. 00:37:52
And then we bring an ordinance forward and then. 00:37:57
After that Ord. 00:38:01
Put forward. Adopted. 00:38:03
Then we would have. 00:38:05
Short term rental regulations. 00:38:07
So that is the process. 00:38:09
It's impossible to guess. 00:38:11
Exactly what that would be. 00:38:13
Based on what we've heard is we think it will be that reasonable. 00:38:16
Regulation. 00:38:19
Ensuring that there's. 00:38:21
The management. 00:38:23
And those good neighbor rules, that's what we're expecting. 00:38:24
To put forward at this point. 00:38:27
And so. 00:38:29
With that. 00:38:31
We're happy to answer any questions. I know I had a couple of. 00:38:33
Comment cards. We don't need comment cards, so I'll answer them, but we will start with the two comment cards we have. 00:38:36
And so. 00:38:41
We are recording this. I think there's a second mic, right? 00:38:43
OK, yeah, we are recording this. So that's the only reason. We're just gonna ask if anybody who comments would come up and speak 00:38:48
into the microphone so that anybody watching this. 00:38:52
At home Oregon later can hear what the question is. 00:38:57
But we're happy to answer any questions. 00:38:59
And we'll start with. 00:39:02
I think it's Jay Martinez. 00:39:03
OK. And then after J. 00:39:07
Dan Jarvis. 00:39:09
What information, if anything, you would like to know about me? 00:39:25
You don't need to provide any, we're just answering questions. 00:39:29
A brief history. 00:39:34
My wife and I have lived here in Portland, ME for over a decade. 00:39:36
We live in a gated community. 00:39:41
Which of course is an HOA establishment. 00:39:47
And does not necessarily reflect the same requirements as if you were. 00:39:51
Had a single family dwelling. 00:39:55
Number one, I would like to say that the staff report was extensive, 300 pages. 00:39:59
Really a surprise. 00:40:06
And I'd like to acknowledge the effort that the staff put together. 00:40:08
Informally, my concern is that I don't feel the city. 00:40:16
Has been spending the appropriate time. 00:40:20
To quantify, qualify and pick up. 00:40:23
What we call tot taxes. 00:40:28
And I can understand that because it takes money to do that service. 00:40:31
I hope the city as you go forward. 00:40:35
Take that into consideration because. 00:40:38
If you're capable of collecting the monies. 00:40:41
We probably will be able to have. 00:40:44
A individual as a staff member within the city. 00:40:46
I also would like to say that. 00:40:51
I don't know if you've already looked at it because it's extensive. 00:40:55
I don't know if you looked at overlay. 00:40:59
Zoning overlays. 00:41:01
Or specifically. 00:41:03
Local. 00:41:05
Coastal programs, I believe you begin to allude to that. 00:41:07
My request is that. 00:41:12
We as HOA owners. 00:41:14
Are subject to significantly more interruptions. 00:41:17
Concerns than a single family owner. 00:41:21
So this is important to my family and to our association and where we live. 00:41:24
If you take these considerations into into concept and education. 00:41:32
I think we're going to be able to come up with a. 00:41:37
A program. 00:41:40
That will satisfy the majority of your of our concerns. 00:41:41
I do not advocate to go back to the Coastal Commission. 00:41:45
I've been there. 00:41:49
In my career, I don't want to go back to them. 00:41:51
For various reasons. 00:41:54
So I'm hoping that the city. 00:41:56
Staff and the council. 00:41:58
Will listen to all these component parts. 00:42:01
Put them together. 00:42:03
And not look at it as a single family. 00:42:05
But also as an HOA community. 00:42:08
Thank you. 00:42:10
Yeah. Thank you. I think that's a. 00:42:12
A good point that. 00:42:14
I know when I arrived in my. 00:42:17
City manager capacity here in the city is the wake up call was how many residents we have that are in homeowners associations. 00:42:21
I do think it's a higher percentage than any other city in Ventura County, so. 00:42:28
I think everything we try to do, we try to keep that in mind and try to make sure that we're not forgetting about the homeowners 00:42:33
associations or. 00:42:36
Leaving them out but. 00:42:39
But I appreciate the. 00:42:41
The comments and the. 00:42:43
Feedback and we'll make sure to consider those. 00:42:45
Dan Jarvis. 00:42:49
I'm curious on the CDP. 00:42:59
Do you do we have any information about? 00:43:02
Perhaps from the Coastal Commission, which what? 00:43:07
HOA's do have CDP's. 00:43:10
And. 00:43:13
What do those look like? 00:43:14
Within Port Hueneme already. 00:43:16
May be already in Port Hueneme or just. 00:43:18
Within the Coastal Commission, yeah. 00:43:21
So then there's an example. 00:43:23
I'm like Jay, I'm from the same community and. 00:43:26
I'm curious. 00:43:29
Why the builders? 00:43:30
Of life, of our community. 00:43:32
They put in. 00:43:34
A strict 30 days asking me to remind you to use the microphone for They're telling me if the audio is working or not, so they put 00:43:35
in a. 00:43:40
A strict. 00:43:44
CCNR of. 00:43:46
You have to rent for 30 days. 00:43:47
I would have thought that the builder might have been aware of. 00:43:50
The Coastal Commission. 00:43:52
In their requirements but me always just ignored it. Do you know is it pre 1970s? It was post post 1977. It was like 2000. I think 00:43:54
I've heard that there's a couple associations that did put them in place and I think some of them have heard now that the. 00:44:02
They wouldn't be enforceable because of Coastal Commission, but right, it's one of those things too that it's also it's 00:44:10
enforceable until somebody challenges it. 00:44:14
So exactly. 00:44:17
And then also I read where. 00:44:20
Hoas can. 00:44:24
Can restrict. 00:44:26
SDRS if they have housing. 00:44:29
The community. 00:44:33
Because. 00:44:34
STR's. 00:44:36
Raise rents. 00:44:37
Raise property values. 00:44:39
Yeah, and that creates. 00:44:41
A housing shortage, which is another issue in California, which of course the Coastal Commission doesn't care about. Yeah. 00:44:43
Anyway, yeah. 00:44:49
You're spot on. And yeah, so the two things that they do let people regulate our short term. I'm sorry, I'm. 00:44:50
Affordable housing. 00:44:57
Yes, and accessory dwelling. 00:44:58
Technically legally should not be rented to short term rentals. 00:45:01
But it's another thing, like you said, a lot of people do. 00:45:04
Obviously. 00:45:07
Affordable housing units. 00:45:08
Can't rent correct as STR. 00:45:10
But. 00:45:13
Say, for example, in our community over. 00:45:14
Over 10% of the units are affordable housing units. 00:45:17
That you know the other units. 00:45:22
Evidently, they're not restricted. 00:45:25
Could they be restricted because of it's a community? Yeah. 00:45:28
Yeah. 00:45:33
Can we just put? 00:45:34
Could we be able to have a cap? 00:45:35
On the STR's, so typically and we'd have to go through coastal and have it approved, but typically. 00:45:38
They've supported. 00:45:45
Regulations. 00:45:47
And a cap. 00:45:48
But a reasonable cap and I think the lowest we saw that got approved in the coastal zone is 10%. 00:45:49
You know, no more, no more than 10% because Oxnard had a 5% cap on some, OK, so maybe it was 5%. 00:45:55
Although I don't know if that was the 5% was outside the coastal zone, I believe, yeah. 00:46:04
I think it was 10% in the coastal there. 00:46:09
Yeah. So that's the part that's within the coastal zone. 00:46:17
And so one thing and one of the comments was about. 00:46:20
Kind of the difference between the coastal zone and the rest and the consistency and. 00:46:25
Some cities will do a. 00:46:30
Stricter cap outside of the coastal zone because you can. 00:46:33
You can do it, but the Coastal Commission wouldn't let you do it within the coastal zone. 00:46:35
So, so for example, and I don't think anybody was proposing this. I don't think we heard it from people, but. 00:46:40
The city could, for example, say. 00:46:45
You know, in the coastal zone it's going to be a limit of 10%, but outside of the coastal zone is going to be a limit. 00:46:47
No more than 5%, which actually is what Oxnard did to your. 00:46:53
Reference. 00:46:57
Yeah. 00:47:03
Yeah, so I saw 123. 00:47:04
Four, and I'm gonna need you to help me. 00:47:08
I. 00:47:12
Hi, I'm Satterfield and I do live in one of those what we call. 00:47:14
Condo owner association communities. 00:47:18
And first of all, bravo I. 00:47:21
Excellent amount of information pulled together. 00:47:24
And I just think it's amazing where we're at, like. 00:47:27
Compared to 12 months ago and just. 00:47:30
With this, but also I know what was going on in my community and the. 00:47:32
Work we were doing and and learning and. 00:47:36
All that and I want to thank Jess Lopez for being a representative of the City Council here tonight and listening. 00:47:39
OK, a thought I have. I actually have a second thing if it would go around and there's time for a second one, but for now. 00:47:47
What struck me? 00:47:55
Is the sense that the Coastal Commission, I know we're not here to change their policy or gripe and all that, but it's the 00:47:57
awareness is when I because it comes down to the council doing what's right for this community. 00:48:04
And if the Coastal Commission. 00:48:11
In their wisdom in 1977. 00:48:14
Embrace the policy of. 00:48:17
This coastal access, even if you can't afford. 00:48:20
Super high resort rates at the coast. 00:48:23
We want. 00:48:27
The common person to be able to go and enjoy the. 00:48:29
The ocean have and have that. 00:48:32
OK, that happened, but what was going on? 1977 was when the building I live in was. 00:48:34
Was being built. 00:48:39
And then market it and then the next year, the next phase of over 300 units, so. 00:48:40
So our own Port Hueneme area and probably areas around. 00:48:45
We're having expanded housing opportunities. That's not what it looks like today. And we have general plan requirements, state 00:48:50
requirements. 00:48:54
A lot of pressure around housing, housing, we hear the word housing crisis, yada yada. 00:48:58
So I still think it comes down to the Council in their wisdom. 00:49:03
To be balancing. 00:49:07
All their concerns. 00:49:09
And not get stuck on this 10% thing even if a survey was designed with that being a. 00:49:11
A marker and you got a certain response because we don't even have scientific info about who these who the respondents are. I'm an 00:49:18
ominous anonymous on there like everyone else. 00:49:22
And so it may be if there is a cap and maybe it's a 2% or 3% because how much housing opportunity? 00:49:27
Do you want to give up just to do? Our elected officials and our leadership want to give up. 00:49:35
To allow. 00:49:41
A different kind of lodging. We already have other lodging here. People don't have to go rent a whole house. 00:49:43
Or a condo unit we have. 00:49:49
Commercial lodging facilities and and they're not overly priced. I think they fit within the policy of being affordable. 00:49:53
To, umm, the. 00:50:00
Person who wants to come bring their family to the coast. 00:50:02
So I'm saying. 00:50:05
Let's not get stuck to think, Oh yeah, that 10% thing sounds good because. 00:50:06
You're this city is struggling to identify where can we add? 00:50:11
Housing. 00:50:17
We're struggling. 00:50:19
And if at the same time you're making it harder for HOA COA's? 00:50:20
To maintain their infrastructures without this big whammy of insurance. 00:50:26
That the insurance industry is looking to see how much is. 00:50:30
Is this short term rental activity? 00:50:34
Impacting and they have those those facts they they study it they study it from 30,000 feet study in detail and Wham if you have 00:50:36
over a certain percentage. 00:50:41
And we don't know what that percentage is going to be today, tomorrow, next year, but nationwide there is information online about 00:50:46
some of the. 00:50:49
Some of that going on. 00:50:52
Then that is also affecting what the affordability is of people already living here or thinking of living here. 00:50:54
And that's just another layer that affects. 00:51:01
Housing. So let's not lose that context. 00:51:05
It's not 100% about isn't it nice to have people? 00:51:08
Come and be near the beach or near that area with boats up at the other. 00:51:12
End of port or Nimi where it's near. 00:51:17
So that's. 00:51:19
Really for the Council to struggle with. 00:51:22
And. 00:51:24
Find a way that we're not. 00:51:25
Giving away too much that puts housing in a tighter and tighter. 00:51:28
Framework. 00:51:32
Thank you. OK. Yeah, it's good feedback and. 00:51:33
I'll just note for us and when I present it to Council, just because I want to be clear with everybody is like. 00:51:37
Is one reason. 00:51:43
I would point to that 10% number is because when I am telling the Council to. 00:51:45
Adopt something. I want to make sure it's enforceable, and I want to make sure that the Coastal Commission wouldn't stop us from 00:51:51
enforcing it. 00:51:54
And so that's why for me, you know, the council will get to make the decision, but. 00:51:57
That's where we know that they've approved 10% caps. So we believe they would approve it 1010% cap. 00:52:02
But I think it goes back to the comment earlier of. 00:52:08
You know, if we make a rule and everybody follows it, great. But if they don't? 00:52:10
That I need to be able to enforce. Well, maybe you could push the envelope a little though, maybe it's 8% or 7% and. 00:52:14
And present this housing picture because they can't operate in a vacuum either. They are Californians and they're they're looking 00:52:20
at the up here, 30,000 feet, the whole coast of California. 00:52:25
But those housing requirements from the state and all. 00:52:31
Yeah, we have to. And then we have the sea level rising, all those things. I mean, do you want to turn City Hall into housing and 00:52:34
your City Hall goes and relocates somewhere else? 00:52:40
You could do that and then have some of them could be short term rental, but some of them. 00:52:46
Could be long term. 00:52:51
Housing, I hear you. 00:52:52
I will just note on that topic that. 00:52:54
The consistency from the state is a challenge and the three of us have been in conversations with the state. 00:52:57
So they don't allow short term rentals in Adus? 00:53:04
But they will not approve. 00:53:08
Law that doesn't allow short term rentals and Adu's. 00:53:11
And so just when you talk about the inconsistency. 00:53:14
And unfortunately with the state, it is one department doing one thing and another department doing another. 00:53:17
So HCD is the State Department that enforces affordable housing? 00:53:23
They have a mandate right now from the state to. 00:53:28
Focus on affordable housing at all costs. And so they came back and said no restrictions on building Adus. 00:53:31
Even though there's state law that says Adu shouldn't be used for short term rentals. 00:53:37
So there is. 00:53:41
You know, sometimes people go, well, the state wouldn't. You know, the state says this, and it's like, yeah, the state's also 00:53:42
saying this at the same time. So we deal with that. 00:53:46
Anyway. 00:53:49
Yeah, I live in Surfside 3 and I'm on the rules and rigs committee and we've. 00:53:52
Looked into short term rentals and so we went through all of the websites that market. 00:53:56
For short term rentals and we identified 14. 00:54:03
In our unit. 00:54:07
We would be happy to wrap these people out and we really want the city to get those taxes and if the city does charge. 00:54:08
$1000 per entity. 00:54:16
That alone would. 00:54:20
If you had 40 of them, that would pay a $40,000 salary, just just that. 00:54:22
Also, HOA's have a terrible time. 00:54:28
Fining people. 00:54:31
So in order to find someone, we have to notice them. Then they have 30 days to come to the board and to a committee and appeal. 00:54:33
Then after that they have another. So the administration of finding in an HOA is almost. 00:54:41
Cost prohibitive. 00:54:50
So it would be great. 00:54:52
If for example like what happened in my? 00:54:54
I live above a short term rental. 00:54:59
And they rented out to 8 college kids during spring break and 2:00 in the morning they're locking each other out and banging the 00:55:03
doors. So what would be great is if. 00:55:08
Also, we had something in there about the advertising. 00:55:15
That they could not what the choir that they had to place. 00:55:20
The rules in advertising and and when we went through this. 00:55:24
A lot of them do say no parties. 00:55:29
And what the quiet time is because people that this one doesn't. 00:55:32
And so there's lots of they rent out to people who then invite other people onto the property and they're using our pool, they're 00:55:38
monetizing the environment. 00:55:44
That we have created. 00:55:51
To make money, so we want them to pay a lot of taxes. 00:55:53
And we would help. 00:55:56
Identify these. 00:55:59
And including. 00:56:01
You just have to monitor who's parking in the parking space. You know, you know when they when there's turnover. 00:56:03
Which so if the HOA's could assist the city, I think we could keep it affordable because we want the city to be able to to use 00:56:08
that. 00:56:13
Revenue but I am a hypocrite because I stay in short term rentals a lot and I do enjoy them but it's. 00:56:18
It's got to be regulated. I think that's. 00:56:26
The consensus of what we heard and thank you for the comments is that. 00:56:30
You know, I think in the right hands, short term rentals can be a good thing, but if you have irresponsible tenant or an 00:56:33
irresponsible property owner can be a big problem so. 00:56:38
So we hear you, and that's what we're looking to address. 00:56:43
Think I had. 00:56:46
Seen a hand back there? 00:56:48
Yeah. And then I think we're going over here. 00:56:50
And one 2-3 after them. 00:56:53
And I saw. 00:56:56
Thought I saw someone else. 00:56:57
Yeah, if you guys come up with a good way to call on people. 00:56:59
I guess we're glad. I didn't think anybody would show up, so I didn't have a good process. Hi, I'm Rosemary Tobin from Anacapa 00:57:04
View beach Homes. My question is what is the definition of a neighborhood? 00:57:10
Are each of our homeowners associations considered a neighborhood? 00:57:16
So Surfside One has. 00:57:21
Our Surfside three, I think you said 300 runners. 00:57:23
And if it's ten percent, 300 units and if it's 10%? 00:57:26
We have 84 units and it's 10%. 00:57:31
Was is that what you're talking about as a neighborhood? 00:57:34
So do you, do you remember what the definition of neighborhood? 00:57:38
Was did we do it by homeowners associations? We didn't define it by neighborhood for this. 00:57:42
But a lot of cities just do like say 10% overall in the coastal zone. 00:57:48
Unless we did specific zoning overlays. 00:57:53
And which restricted each zoning overlay allowed that percentage and we have to go through and define it more. Thank you. That's 00:57:56
well. I think it should be defined more. Yeah. The reference we made earlier was with Oxnard, who did a 10% limit by neighborhood. 00:58:02
Is they defined it as that beachfront residential zone? 00:58:08
And so that that was how it was defined. When we write an ordinance, it would have to specify if we had a cap per. 00:58:12
Neighborhood. Then we'd have to define it. 00:58:19
OK. Thank you. Thank you. 00:58:21
I think the. 00:58:28
Next person left. 00:58:29
So I think we're going to the three of you now. 00:58:31
I just had a couple questions. Sure. One of them is the 10% cap. 00:58:37
I would like to know exactly what that means, exactly what she said. 00:58:43
Are you talking about 10% of the total? 00:58:47
Area of Port Wine Amy or 10% in each neighborhood. And I think you're right, it has to be. 00:58:49
More defined. 00:58:55
And my other question is when you write an ordinance and present it to the council. 00:58:56
What is the process of that becoming? 00:59:01
An ordinance that they approve, is there public input to that? Is their forum or whatever that, and I'm glad you asked. I was 00:59:04
going to go through that, but I felt like I was talking too much. 00:59:08
Ordinance process. We draft it for first reading. 00:59:13
There's a public hearing notice that goes out in the newspaper so people are aware. 00:59:17
So then we have the first hearing, if the Council approves it, with only with no changes or minimal changes. 00:59:20
Then two weeks later, it's a second hearing. 00:59:27
Second reading. 00:59:30
And then? 00:59:31
At that time it's adopted and 30 days later it's in effect. So that's the process. 00:59:32
If on that first reading council says Nope, you went in the wrong direction and people are telling us it's a terrible ordinance, 00:59:37
then we come back and we have to do a first reading all over again. 00:59:41
And just for another point, I do operate a short term rental. 00:59:45
And I'm totally in favor of. 00:59:49
Permitting process. 00:59:51
All the things I think as an owner. 00:59:53
All those people, I'm really surprised. 00:59:56
Of the few, I'm one of the 14 that does pay every month. Thank you for your time. So I'm paying, I'm paying taxes and I always 00:59:59
have. 01:00:03
But I I think that being a good neighbor is extremely important. 01:00:07
And I applaud you guys for putting the amount of work. 01:00:11
Doing this thing I was, I was surprised when I came to Port Hueneme, they said. 01:00:16
Yeah, you can pretty much do whatever you want to do. 01:00:19
And I thought, wow, that's kind of weird. 01:00:21
But right away I voluntarily paid that that tot tax and I do every month. Although it's really difficult, the website is really. 01:00:24
Needs updating. Well, we have a meeting with our vendors on that coming up, so we'll talk to them about that. 01:00:33
Thank you for that. 01:00:38
Yeah, I think we're going to. 01:00:40
Two and then I think you were going to be after. 01:00:42
Thank you. 01:00:45
Hello and thanks for the work you guys have been doing. Tom O'Toole. We have a condo over in the surf sides. 01:00:48
Just a couple of general comments. 01:00:53
In favor of some sort of regulation. 01:00:55
You know, first, the city's desperate for tax revenue. This seems to be a golden opportunity. 01:00:58
Second, as people probably aware, point winning me is a very small. 01:01:02
Community relative to the market forces in the area. 01:01:07
And the regulations and all the surrounding cities. 01:01:10
So something's not done. You may face issues or we may face issues. 01:01:12
Attendance in schools, there's a lot of fault flow through issues that could arise from having a higher and higher percentage. 01:01:17
Of short term rentals in the community. 01:01:23
In an unregulated state. 01:01:26
Also. 01:01:28
I really think this is an area where the city. 01:01:29
Could really help homers. 01:01:31
And Hoas. 01:01:34
It's really very hard for individuals and I think it was said before in a ways to try to come to terms with this issue, identify. 01:01:35
For us on their own, I think it's really an issue where the city could very much help. 01:01:42
Individual people. 01:01:46
I think's been spoken and then finally, just to share a personal experience. 01:01:47
We also have. 01:01:51
Live nearby what we strongly suspect isn't as a short term. 01:01:53
Rental We, for example, just had a major that lives above us. We just had this major flood. 01:01:57
The built, which from pipes maintained by the building. The building was like, hey, no, we're not going to handle it. You just 01:02:03
take all of it yourself. It's a major issue for us. 01:02:07
And apparently something was placed in a pipe above us. 01:02:11
You know, STR related, not who knows, but just common sense dictates that there's probably less of a chance. 01:02:15
Of something like that happening with a longer term tenant or at least a responsible. 01:02:22
Operation of something so. 01:02:27
Anyway, I just wanted to make those points for consideration and the externalities of the STR such as. 01:02:30
Insurance rates going up. 01:02:35
Denials. Risk of issues. 01:02:37
Is also something that the city should keep in mind in terms of encouraging. 01:02:39
Some sort of a regulatory environment? 01:02:42
Yeah, Thank you. Yeah, thank you very much. 01:02:45
We appreciate that. 01:02:48
Yeah, I think to that point, I'll just note that that was something. 01:02:49
When we started digging into it, we saw those limitations on HOA's that they would have to go through that coastal development 01:02:53
permit process on their own. 01:02:57
I think that sort of was the wake up call that, you know, it's, it's, that's a difficult thing to do and it's something even we 01:03:01
don't. 01:03:04
Somebody said don't go to coastal and you know we don't like to either so. 01:03:08
Yeah, exactly. 01:03:13
So I think you were next. 01:03:15
The name is José González and thank you very much. This has been. 01:03:20
So, so informative. 01:03:25
I live in an HOA where there is a ban on short term rentals. 01:03:28
It is in the CC and ours and in the roles that any rental must be. 01:03:33
At least for 30 days. 01:03:39
Or longer. 01:03:40
So. 01:03:42
I was completely unaware that that is. 01:03:43
An illegal ban. 01:03:45
And was it built before 70? No, it's fairly recent. I think Governor Newsom came down with some regulations that said that if you 01:03:47
had a. 01:03:52
You were restricting your lease. That couldn't be less than 30 days and at that point? 01:03:56
A lot of HOA's then changed their CCNR's and changed their rules. 01:04:02
Allowing. 01:04:08
30 days or more, but not less than 30 days. 01:04:09
So. So your material says that the HOA's have broad authority to regulate or restrict. 01:04:13
Short term rentals through their CC and ours outside of the coastal zone. 01:04:21
So you can try to regulate in your CC and R and rules. 01:04:26
But if you do. 01:04:31
Just I want to make sure I understand this. You need a. 01:04:33
Coastal development permit. 01:04:36
And it's unlikely that you'll get it. 01:04:39
Is that correct? 01:04:42
So what if you tried to ban short term rentals? You probably wouldn't get approved. 01:04:44
But what they call a reasonable regulation, which we can all argue about what's reasonable, but what they would call a reasonable 01:04:49
regulation, they theoretically would approve. 01:04:53
So within a an HOA if there was. 01:04:59
A regulation, a rule that said we won't permit. 01:05:03
Umm, less than. 01:05:07
You know, more than 5%. 01:05:09
That might get approved or. 01:05:12
And more likely than a total ban, yeah. 01:05:14
Oh, more likely than it, yeah. 01:05:17
Yeah, that's where I know we've talked a little bit about it. We talked about that 10% number. That's what we have seen that has 01:05:21
gotten approved by coast or by Coastal Commission. 01:05:25
It's possible they approve less, we just haven't seen that. 01:05:29
You know, it would seem to me that the Coastal Commission would give deference. 01:05:32
To HOA's. 01:05:38
Some ways. 01:05:39
Allow short term rentals. 01:05:41
Others don't. 01:05:43
And so. 01:05:45
You live in an HOA and they have their rules. 01:05:47
And you abide by their rules and. 01:05:50
Umm, you know, we just don't like. 01:05:53
People telling us what we can't and cannot do. 01:05:57
Because we have developed our rules and we have community participation and so forth. 01:06:01
And if the whole purpose of this is. 01:06:07
Access to the coast. 01:06:09
What if a request for a permit said? 01:06:11
There's 50 HOA's in Port wine, Amy. 01:06:14
And forty of them allow short term rentals, so. 01:06:18
We have coastal access. 01:06:22
It's not banned in the community but these other 10 HOA's. 01:06:25
Don't want to have it? 01:06:31
So would you in any way kind of? 01:06:34
You know, support. 01:06:37
The. 01:06:39
That. 01:06:40
That want to restrict this I mean. 01:06:42
It seemed to me that your. 01:06:44
Survey said that 49%. 01:06:47
Of the community was concerned. 01:06:50
42%. 01:06:53
Thought there would be a negative impact. 01:06:54
Those are substantial numbers. 01:06:57
Yeah, I hear you. I think if you ask would we support it? Hey, Well, it would ultimately be the council that approves it. So you 01:07:00
know, they'll hear from. 01:07:04
All perspectives. People who supported, people who don't, people who are. 01:07:09
You know, like you said, see both positive and negative. 01:07:13
So it's ultimately be what they approve I. 01:07:16
Mentioned this earlier. 01:07:19
And it's just for full transparency is the council asked me what do I think would get approved. 01:07:20
I would tell them what I think would get approved. 01:07:24
But if they said, well, we want to be more aggressive that than that and give it a shot. 01:07:26
And see if the Coastal Commission approves it, then we would. 01:07:30
We would try to do that. 01:07:34
But it's just. 01:07:35
For us right now. 01:07:37
We have an idea of what we think would get approved and what we don't think will get approved. And so we haven't seen where that. 01:07:38
Where an outright ban has been approved by Coastal Committee. 01:07:44
So and it's very similar, I know I referenced it earlier with the affordable housing items too we. 01:07:48
We talk about this a lot. The state makes sort of a. 01:07:52
One-size-fits-all rule that's supposed to fit everybody and port anemia is not like. 01:07:55
Most anywhere else in the world in the state. 01:07:59
So those one size fit rules, one size fit all rules usually don't make sense for us. 01:08:01
But we still have to. 01:08:06
Follow them just like everybody else. 01:08:07
So that's the struggle. 01:08:10
So thank you. Thank you. 01:08:11
Hi, I'm Jess Lopez. 01:08:22
Here is a private citizen. 01:08:24
A couple things. 01:08:29
If we're gonna like. 01:08:31
Reading the staff report, which is excellent, I know we. 01:08:33
We gave you guys direction, you guys, you guys moved with it, but. 01:08:37
I guess some recommendations would be to have two like. 01:08:42
Coastal Community. 01:08:47
And then anything, everything else of the. 01:08:49
Because there are other residents in single family dwellings who. 01:08:51
Probably have a different opinion. 01:08:56
Someone who lives in a in a high density condo like all the surf sites. 01:08:59
So that kind of give that some thought. 01:09:04
The other thought too is. 01:09:07
Venture capitalists who are. 01:09:10
You know who rent properties? 01:09:14
And Airbnb. 01:09:16
Like who's the underlying owner of the property? 01:09:18
Is is that going to be an issue with? 01:09:21
Them seeking a possible permit. 01:09:24
Since they're not the owner. 01:09:27
Something to think about as well. 01:09:28
What I see in the what I see in other cities that have STRS. 01:09:32
Is a trigger of. 01:09:36
Of law enforcement. 01:09:38
So are we going to be moving resources? 01:09:40
Into those areas, you know, being like either code enforcement. 01:09:43
So I I. 01:09:49
Do see a possible? 01:09:51
Uptick in those code enforcement issues and law enforcement issues. 01:09:54
You know, if there's quiet hours. 01:09:59
In those areas, is that going to be a? 01:10:01
An HOA thing that their own security is going to have to deal with? Or is it going to be? 01:10:03
Port Wayne, EPD. 01:10:09
Just things to think about. 01:10:11
Yeah. Thank you. Those are those are the things we will. 01:10:12
Think about We have the feedback now and. 01:10:15
I see one hand. 01:10:19
Well, while you're coming up, we have the feedback. We'll be working on that. 01:10:21
Um, about the. 01:10:26
You know the the hope would be with reasonable regulations and the. 01:10:29
Property owner or a manager as a as a contact that. 01:10:32
Hopefully umm. 01:10:35
Issues get resolved at that level and then it doesn't require significant additional, you know, police time or code enforcement 01:10:37
time, but. 01:10:40
But I think we have to be realistic that, you know. 01:10:44
Especially as it first rolls out, there will probably have to be some enforcement related to it. 01:10:47
So, so those are things that we'll we'll consider throughout that. 01:10:51
Process. Thank you. 01:10:54
Thank again. Thank you, James for the report and. 01:10:57
Putting the energy into the survey, it's great, great, great information. 01:11:01
And I know we have a lot of Hoas here and page I want to thank you for. 01:11:06
Bringing this to the Coalition's attention and bringing this to the city's attention because. 01:11:11
We all have different HOA's and we have different rules and regulations and. 01:11:15
One of the things that we determined in our coalition is that. 01:11:19
We individually as Hoas can't enforce this and we also don't want to have inconsistent policies and rules. 01:11:23
Where Surfside 3 has one rule for short term rentals and. 01:11:31
Anaheim Beach Homes has another one and it just becomes a disconnect. 01:11:35
So coming to the city to help us to provide guidelines. 01:11:40
And an ordinance and a policy that makes sense to all of us. 01:11:44
As well really what the goal was here and we we hope to. 01:11:48
Find a really the best Fast forward to make this work for us all. So I want to thank you for putting this together for us. Thank 01:11:52
you. 01:11:55
Thank you. 01:11:59
Before the next question, could I ask a? 01:12:00
Question. I'm going to go back to that slide. 01:12:03
That shows. 01:12:06
Coastal zone. 01:12:07
And the. 01:12:08
Associations within the coastal zone. 01:12:10
Now we in the survey we got, most of the responses were from people in that coastal zone. 01:12:13
So I think with a couple of the comments talking about sort of like, you know, there might be a difference between the need of the 01:12:20
coastal zone and. 01:12:24
Outside of the coastal zone. 01:12:27
Can I just ask? 01:12:31
If you don't want to answer, you don't have to, but just it would help us I think is. 01:12:32
How many people in the room are? 01:12:36
In the coastal zone in one of those associations. 01:12:38
OK. 01:12:42
Thank you. So that fits with I think the survey that I think and I think it's common sense, right is. 01:12:43
The most likely. 01:12:48
Person that's coming to pour I need me to visit for a couple days is probably wanting to stay by the beach. 01:12:50
I think that's what we're hearing, you know? 01:12:54
So I think that is good knowledge for us to have as we start to think about. 01:12:57
Is it a problem across the city or is it a problem? 01:13:02
In these neighborhoods, so. 01:13:05
And I did see a hand go up and then. 01:13:07
Is there anybody else who hasn't asked a question that wants to before we start? 01:13:13
Doing second. 01:13:17
Yeah, you can come up. 01:13:20
Just anybody else? 01:13:21
OK. So then we'll go back to. 01:13:22
Evening. Thank you James and the Council and also the city for all of this hard work. 01:13:32
As you can see, we're all very concerned about this, but as I. 01:13:37
And one of those people has been here long enough to see. 01:13:41
Other issues come into the city for. 01:13:44
Using real estate to increase. 01:13:48
City revenue, we've run into a few problems that have not been addressed here tonight. 01:13:51
And first of all, I don't know if you're in here in the. 01:13:56
Official. 01:14:00
Duties or not, but we'd like to thank you for your. 01:14:01
And thank you to also for being here. 01:14:03
But the last couple that we've had. 01:14:06
The biggest decisions were made by. 01:14:10
The base. 01:14:13
Because. 01:14:15
As we all know, they use the hotels. 01:14:16
They use the short term rentals, they use the long term rentals. 01:14:19
So. 01:14:23
Their impact on all of this might be greater than the rest of us and we never, I mean, because. 01:14:24
We're talking about thousands of people. 01:14:30
That they deal with while we're talking in our communities, just a few. So I think that's something that needs to be addressed as 01:14:32
we are working with this and you need to get what their feeling is. 01:14:37
The second is the. 01:14:42
Affordable housing. 01:14:45
Concerning indigenous peoples. 01:14:48
We have in the past. 01:14:50
Ran into an issue with that when we're trying to build. 01:14:52
Large scale. 01:14:56
Hotels here in in condominiums and found that. 01:14:58
You know there has to be in a certain amount. 01:15:01
Percentage that as allotted toward. 01:15:04
Affordable housing. 01:15:07
We don't even know what the percentage of affordable housing in this community is. 01:15:09
So we would need to know. 01:15:14
Not only. 01:15:17
Affordable housing but the ad use and then also. 01:15:18
What number, as Rosemary had mentioned. 01:15:21
Is in each particular. 01:15:25
Neighborhood and take you again Councilman Lopez he's he brought up the third thing. 01:15:28
One of your first things you said enlisted potential action is none. 01:15:33
I can guarantee you that will never be the answer. 01:15:38
Yes, you have seen in the past when we've been here for these what you weren't. Sometimes you were. 01:15:41
For some of these things, we don't. 01:15:46
Go with no action. We don't settle for no action. 01:15:49
If we're having a problem. 01:15:53
With people in our neighborhoods. 01:15:54
Who are in these short term rentals? 01:15:57
And we can't handle it. 01:15:59
You will. 01:16:01
And I think you've already seen that. 01:16:02
So the city is going to have to address this and at the same time. 01:16:04
I've heard talk about. 01:16:11
Changes in the police force. It's all going to work together and that's why we're all here. And again, thank you all for being 01:16:12
here and. 01:16:15
And thank you. 01:16:19
Thank you. 01:16:20
I think. 01:16:23
You'll say, and I'll say if you want to go next and then I know, I think you're. 01:16:24
After that and I thought I saw a third. 01:16:28
Hello, I'm Dulcie Satterfield and I. 01:16:35
Wanted to say just a little more. I touched on the insurance industry but and someone else mentioned externalities so I just want 01:16:38
to. 01:16:41
Encourage the city. 01:16:45
Maybe you, maybe other staff, but. 01:16:48
To probe there and get as much because they're coming up with new info and how much it relates to California or our part of 01:16:50
California, I don't know, but. 01:16:55
But the the impact on infrastructure, especially for these. 01:17:00
Older, yeah. 01:17:04
HOA COA's the the community is. 01:17:07
The condo communities we have here. 01:17:11
It's serious. 01:17:14
So that's a good source. I hope that there's more and more that you can dig, dig around and learn their. 01:17:16
But also I want to say. 01:17:22
Quiet noise. This has been mentioned as if we all are on the same page. What is noise? What does it mean I'm dealing with this? 01:17:24
Not with a short term renter. 01:17:31
Umm, but in my building. 01:17:34
There's a different situation and there's very, very different ideas. 01:17:37
Like someone says, oh, it's just a TV. Well, if it cranks up at 11:00 PM and it goes all night. 01:17:41
All night. 01:17:46
And then it's surging up louder and it could be something else, not TV, it could be the game console or whatever. 01:17:48
Other Whatever favorite devices people have these days. 01:17:55
But for someone coming up or on a short term visit. 01:17:58
And to them, oh, that's not noise, that's that's general lifestyle, that's normal lifestyle. 01:18:02
Or I'm from a different time zone or whatever different planet. 01:18:08
So even you, you get, you get into Muddy Waters. And I'm not saying don't go there, but it is a challenge because. 01:18:12
There sounds like trying to build a way to deal with if there's noise, but we don't even know if there's going to be a uniform. 01:18:21
Uniform idea of what is noise and what is terrible, terrible noise and if you don't get sleep, then you're more dangerous driving 01:18:28
and you're driving home and. 01:18:32
Or driving to work all the all the externalities of noise. 01:18:37
So just one thought I had is. 01:18:41
10% cap. 01:18:44
If. 01:18:47
The leadership. 01:18:48
Is in their wisdom thinks that's. 01:18:49
Something to do? 01:18:52
You may have twice as many noise issues as with a 5% cap. 01:18:54
And whether a cap even makes sense. I'm not going there, really. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. 01:18:59
But uh. 01:19:04
It's not necessarily going to be an easy one. 01:19:06
And then I still feel I don't know that anyone in this room or anyone took out. 01:19:10
I don't know if any respondent is from the lodging industry. 01:19:14
But I just, I care about fairness. 01:19:17
I care about fairness to the existing lodging. 01:19:20
Businesses. 01:19:24
And I hope the city can probe that a little, whether or not the survey was designed to whether or not the the responding comments 01:19:25
have pointed out at. 01:19:30
But it's not just about someone saying, oh I'm going to be entrepreneurial and open a short term rental. 01:19:36
They may or may not like it. They may phase out very quickly. A lot of things have flamed up and gone down. 01:19:42
In the 50s it was a. 01:19:47
It was go prospect for uranium. My dad did that in his spare time. 01:19:49
It was build a chinchilla. 01:19:53
Into and it was on. It was on I Love Lucy and stuff and it was like it was like viral, but in the old fashioned way of viral where 01:19:55
things spread through. 01:19:59
Newspaper or common gossip. So people get on this role and they do something and it's like flop. 01:20:03
And no, but then the lodging facilities that have been here and continue to be here. 01:20:08
There's a real value there, and I hope the city will fully. 01:20:14
Acknowledge and explore that. Thank you. 01:20:17
Thank you. Yeah, that's a good point about the fairness aspect. 01:20:20
I know I saw a hand here. 01:20:23
Then I did another hand go up over here. 01:20:25
James, thank you again for your presentation. I see some. 01:20:30
Real characters out here. 01:20:34
That I know it very well. 01:20:36
You know, it's been said by several people and I, I. 01:20:39
I would really like some real consideration regarding. 01:20:42
There's small Hoas like the one that I lived in 8384. 01:20:47
Homes and we have some really huge ones. So when we say 10%. 01:20:53
Which I understand is probably going to be the go to number. 01:20:57
Makes a big difference. We had problems with parking. 01:21:02
As it is. 01:21:05
Potential noise. It's a great community. 01:21:07
But nonetheless, what it would be at Surfside 3 or Surfside four, let alone what it would be over Wine EMI Bay is a huge 01:21:10
difference. So if you say 10% for the. 01:21:15
Overall community. 01:21:21
It would be. 01:21:23
More than the amount of homes that we have. 01:21:25
And our complex. 01:21:27
So it's I just trying to address that point that was brought up by several people. Yeah, correct. Thank you. And I think. 01:21:29
When you thank you for saying it the way he said it, cuz I think there are. 01:21:38
A couple things that could be potentially done. You know, obviously it would be a conversation, but. 01:21:43
You know, umm. 01:21:49
For example, somebody asked a question about how do you define neighborhoods? And so if we were just to look at the coastal, if 01:21:51
that's where we think there are the most issues, which it seems like it is. 01:21:55
And we said 10% of. 01:21:59
The houses within the coastal zone, that is less than 10% of the houses citywide. So you know there are things you could do like 01:22:01
that. 01:22:04
Or the other one that I we did see approved in another local city is. 01:22:08
No, they have to be distanced to certain distance apart. 01:22:12
So that's not necessarily a cap, but if you can only have one every. 01:22:17
1000 feet. 01:22:20
Then you can't. 01:22:22
Have everybody have. 01:22:23
You know so. 01:22:24
So there are some things that can be done that we have seen get approved, that have been approved by Coastal Commission. 01:22:25
I think I was just speaking generally to whether or not I've seen. 01:22:31
Like a, like a harder. 01:22:34
But there are there are some options there, but I think it's a good point if we're hearing most of the problems there within a 01:22:36
subset of the city. 01:22:39
Then you know, having a percentage of the whole city doesn't really help. 01:22:43
Just that. 01:22:47
That area so. 01:22:48
I thought another hand went up. 01:22:51
Sure. 01:22:55
I did mention I did mention this before, but I'd like to reiterate it. 01:23:00
There's a lot of subject matter that has to be reviewed and you guys have your hands full. 01:23:05
Clearly. 01:23:10
But I think that one of the most important things is can we somehow? 01:23:11
Achieve an individual. 01:23:16
In the city that monitors. 01:23:19
The TOTS and monitors the licensing. 01:23:21
It monitors the collection of funds. 01:23:27
Because I do believe there will be enough there to pay for that individual. 01:23:30
Hence we would then have somebody. 01:23:35
To correspond with in case. 01:23:38
We have an issue at Rhode Island, as an example. I can't overemphasize money talks. 01:23:40
And if you can get it. 01:23:47
Will be happy. 01:23:48
Thank you. 01:23:50
And I think that that's. 01:23:51
Exactly as if we put. 01:23:53
The regulations in place, including a permit that has a fee for people to operate, then we probably have the resources. 01:23:55
But if we can't, you know, and it's all gonna come down to this conversation, But if. 01:24:02
Nobody can agree to have a permit that. 01:24:06
Has a fee then we don't, we won't have the resources so. 01:24:08
I think with where we're going, we expect to have. 01:24:11
Permitting process, a fee process to have some support. It's just going to be a question of how much, based on what. 01:24:14
What we're able to do so. 01:24:20
All right, I thought I saw. 01:24:22
Is that a maybe? 01:24:24
Oh yeah, yeah. 01:24:35
Think there needs to be a mechanism? 01:24:37
For us to report, because as you say. 01:24:39
You go on the site, you don't see an address. 01:24:42
But if you're living in an HOA, you know who that is. 01:24:45
And there should be a mechanism to report. 01:24:49
The address. 01:24:52
To the city somebody needs to have. 01:24:54
Like you said, it's hard to figure it out. 01:24:57
And that takes time for somebody that's employed by the city or whoever. 01:25:00
But umm. 01:25:05
A reporting mechanism. 01:25:05
Would give you. 01:25:07
A heads up. 01:25:08
That's all. 01:25:10
I hear ya. 01:25:11
I agree, I think with part of. 01:25:12
Assuming that we move forward with some regulations. 01:25:15
We would have to have mechanisms like that in place. 01:25:19
I just want to reiterate what he said about reporting mechanism because we have this experience over and over again. We're at the 01:25:30
bottom floor of this. 01:25:35
A condo Surfside 3. 01:25:41
And I know that there's like a short term rental up above us and I see people, different people all the time. But when I spoke to 01:25:43
the owner vehemently denied it, that he never did the short term rental. 01:25:49
So that said, I mean, how are you gonna? 01:25:56
How are you going to go about it? 01:25:59
And of course, the HOA will not tell us because it's a private matter, so. 01:26:01
One of the the latest over the years said like there was eight people there, 8 college students. Unfortunately we were not there 01:26:07
at that moment, but we heard that it was really, really a bad incident and she was very, very. 01:26:14
You know, afraid to even knock on the door because she's not. She's an old lady and. 01:26:21
What would they do to her? Yeah. 01:26:26
So. 01:26:28
That's just my concern, so. 01:26:29
If I know I'm probably repeating, but if we adopted A regulation which. 01:26:31
You know, we expect to go through that process then we would have the mechanism for the to report and be able to. 01:26:36
Then follow up and we talked a little bit about it, but what we would anticipate doing is having that permit where? 01:26:42
If they have multiple violations and they aren't responding, they aren't fixing the problem, then we can potentially revoke the 01:26:48
permit. 01:26:51
So so. 01:26:55
All right. Any other questions? 01:26:59
Yeah, thank you. Thank, thank everybody for coming. I know it's a Wednesday night late, so I'm sure there's 1000 places you'd 01:27:03
rather be, but I appreciate you coming out and giving us the chance to talk about it. 01:27:08
And getting your feedback. 01:27:14
So our next step is we'll probably be going back to the City Council. Did we say a date? 01:27:15
Where we're thinking like. 01:27:19
Late August. Early September. 01:27:21
Because we want to compile all the results and this feedback today and bring it back to the Council. 01:27:24
So we'll make sure when we do that, we'll. 01:27:28
Figure out, we'll put it in like our newsletter and on our website so everybody knows when it's coming back so. 01:27:31
All right. Thank you, everybody. 01:27:36
Thank you. 01:27:39