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CALL TO ORDER / FLAG SALUTE / ROLL CALL
INSPIRATION
PUBLIC COMMENT
PRESENTATIONS:

ITEM A - DOWN SYNDROM AWARENESS MONTH PROCLAMATION
ITEM B - CYBERSECURITY AWARENESS MONTH PROCLAMATION
ITEM C - BEACH EROSION AUTHORITY FOR CLEAN OCEANS AND NOURSIHMENT (BEACON) PRESENTATION BY BEACON EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR MARC BEYELER
CONSENT CALENDAR
ITEM #8 - PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT AND TRUCK ROUTE LIFECYCLE COST ANALYSIS CORRECTION
PUBLIC HEARING:

ITEM #9 - CANNABIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT COMPLIANCE REVIEW AND FINDING OF EXEMPTION FROM CEQA
ITEM #10 - INTRODUCE ORDINANCE TO ADOPT 2025 EDITIONS OF THE CALIFORNIA BUILDING STANDARDS CODE
BUSINESS ITEMS:

ITEM #11 - PARK RESERVATION PROCESS OVERVIEW
ITEM #12 - COUNCILMEMEBER FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS REQUEST
CITY MANAGERS COMENTS AND REPORTS
COUNCILMEMBERS' REPORTS AND COMMENTS
REQUEST FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS / ADJOURNMENT

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	And welcome to the City Council meeting. Regular City Council meeting.	00:00:58
	We are going to get started. The time is now 630 so I am going to call the meeting to order.	00:01:03
	And we're going to go ahead and do a roll call, please.	00:01:11
	Excuse me?	00:01:17
	A council member is going to do the.	00:01:20
	Pledge of Allegiance, please stand.	00:01:24
	Is your right hand over your heart?	00:01:27
	Ready. Begin.	00:01:29
	I pledge allegiance to the flag.	00:01:31
	You have the United States of America.	00:01:33
	And to the Republic for which it stands.	00:01:35
	One nation under God.	00:01:38
	Indivisible.	00:01:40
	For everybody. I like the way Madam Clerk was just going to go ahead and do it. She wasn't going to hold me accountable. I was	00:01:44
	like, thankfully my button wasn't working. Great. Let's go ahead to the roll call. Thank you.	00:01:49
	Councilmember.	00:01:55
	Here. Councilmember Hernandez here.	00:01:58
	Councilmember Perez here.	00:02:01
	Mayor Pro Tem Lopez.	00:02:03
	Here and Mayor Perez.	00:02:04
	Here.	00:02:06
	I mean, sorry. Thank you.	00:02:08
	Here, so we're going to go ahead and move to our inspiration and that's going to be given tonight by councilmember.	00:02:10
	Gama, so over to you, Councilmember. Thank you very much. I have a quick little PowerPoint to show you.	00:02:16
	Be just a SEC.	00:02:23
	So I really enjoy doing inspiration. I think it's the greatest part of the job, so.	00:02:26
	Bear with me.	00:02:30
	So Wanimi Beach cleanup has been in progress now for we're working on our 9th year.	00:02:33
	And we have a lot of groups that participate.	00:02:38
	None greater than Amgen. Amgen has been a big.	00:02:41
	Participant over the years.	00:02:45
	I think 5 or 6, maybe even 7 years they've donated money to buy us pickers.	00:02:47
	They show up.	00:02:52
	Wholeheartedly.	00:02:53
	This is a couple years ago.	00:02:55
	And then?	00:02:57
	You know, not having enough buckets for Ampton is a good problem for our coastal environment and.	00:02:59
	Generally speaking, we don't have enough buckets for Hampton, and let me show you why.	00:03:04
	This was this year.	00:03:08
	So with that I would like to introduce.	00:03:10
	Jim Fisher. He's a senior director of corporate engineering and sustainability.	00:03:12
	Thank you.	00:03:17
	Thank you. Should I speak here? Yeah.	00:03:17
	And they said, Oh yeah, this is working so.	00:03:19
	Hi everyone. I'm Jim Fisher with.	00:03:22
	Global engineering at Amgen.	00:03:24
	I lead the environmental sustainability team there.	00:03:26
	And I want to thank you for recognizing us and giving us this opportunity.	00:03:30
	And also want to speak more?	00:03:35
	To the.	00:03:37
	Corporate environment at Amgen a little bit and then.	00:03:38
	Kind of turn it over to the culture and and allow Tanya to speak a bit.	00:03:40
	At Amgen, I think we're really fortunate to work for a company that.	00:03:44
	Pushes for sustainability.	00:03:49
	Several years ago, we're in the middle of our third and most aggressive sustainability program at Amgen.	00:03:51
	And the board awarded us.	00:03:57
	$200 million to deliver.	00:03:59
	Carbon neutrality.	00:04:01
	A 40% reduction in water and a 75.	00:04:03
	Reduction in waste and so.	00:04:06
	For me, it's really something that worked for a corporation that that.	00:04:08
	That is so dedicated.	00:04:11
	To environmental.	00:04:13
	Sustainability.	00:04:15
	But what also makes Amgen really unique?	00:04:17
	Is the culture in which we work and that really is driven by the staff.	00:04:19
	Right that.	00:04:24
	Amgen culture is really a collaborative environment.	00:04:24
	And a an environment where all the staff know that.	00:04:28
	They're they're encouraged to always do the right thing.	00:04:32
	And so.	00:04:36
	That's what makes Amgen quite unique, and that's what makes Amgen a company that can.	00:04:36
	You know, say things like we've been doing.	00:04:41
	Coastal cleanup for 20 years now.	00:04:44
	Our coastal Cleanup.	00:04:46
	Activities span the globe with over 20 sites that participated in it, and there's just a laundry list of things.	00:04:48
	That are happening because the staff are dedicated to this type of activity.	00:04:55
	And there's one staff member that is the most passionate staff member that I know at the company, and that's Tanya Nunez. She'll	00:04:59
	speak after this quick.	00:05:04
	Video umm.	00:05:08
	And Tanya is from.	00:05:09
	All right. Thanks.	00:05:12
	I'm happy to get this chance to talk about our coastal cleanup efforts.	00:05:23
	We are part of this community.	00:05:28
	And be a part of Amgen, a very responsible corporate citizen.	00:05:31
	And the coastal cleanup is a very important part of this.	00:05:35
	I'm really excited about Amgenst.	00:05:40
	20th year of participation in International Coastal Cleanup.	00:05:42
	Last year we had.	00:05:46
	19 sites from around the globe participate with hundreds of staff members.	00:05:48
	That's pretty impressive.	00:05:53
	Events like International Coastal Cleanup help Amgen staff develop bonds that will last a career.	00:05:58
	And it builds a sense of community within the company that extends beyond the local site into the global environment.	00:06:04
	It's important for Amgen to show up for the local communities because we are an integral part of the local communities.	00:06:10
	No matter where you are around the globe, there are ambulance staff members ready to take action and support for healthy planning.	00:06:17
	And it is our duty and our privilege to take care of the environment.	00:06:25
	Thank you.	00:06:30
	Yeah. So I I hope you all feel as I do, that Amgen is truly inspirational when it comes to taking care of our coastal environment.	00:06:33
	And Waite Me resident Tonya Nunez.	00:06:40
	Chick ma sahoja foa.	00:06:43
	Tanya Nunez, Chickasaw.	00:06:45
	Sahee, that's my native Tong.	00:06:47
	And it says hello, my name is Tanya Nunez and I'm Chickasaw. I come from the Chickasaw tribe.	00:06:49
	I'm honored to.	00:06:54
	To be here today.	00:06:55
	With Jim.	00:06:57
	Who came all the way from Colorado?	00:06:59
	I grew up on the California coast. I grew up here in Port Wayne. Amy graduated from Winimia High School.	00:07:02
	Have long, deep.	00:07:07
	Rooted here in this.	00:07:09
	Community My mother ran for Harbor Day Queen back in the 50s.	00:07:10
	So that kind of shows you, but I have 5 generations here.	00:07:15
	In the community, so I'm really inspired by our staff who take days out to.	00:07:18
	Dedicate, they don't have to get up on a Saturday to volunteer, but they do. They come out and we had 100 and over 180 volunteers	00:07:24
	go out for coastal cleanup this year.	00:07:29
	That says something because they can stay in bed and sleep. It's Saturday, they don't have to go to work, but for them to show up	00:07:34
	and join me and for me to be able to share my passion of where I grew up.	00:07:39
	Fishing on the pier and walking Ormond Beach.	00:07:44
	And showing them, hey, this is where I grew up as a little girl fishing with my father on this California coast.	00:07:47
	I think I get inspired by that.	00:07:53
	I guess I like to look at it is like a mother watching her children open her Christmas.	00:07:55
	Present watching her children.	00:08:00
	Opened her Christmas presents and their expressions. I do a lot of other volunteer works we take.	00:08:01
	Volunteers out to anacapa islands and seeing somebody from.	00:08:07
	Place where there's no ocean and watching a.	00:08:11
	Dolphin or well breach out of the ocean and their expression is like wow, you live here.	00:08:14
	I take it for granted because I've lived here all my life.	00:08:18
	But to see somebody else enjoy, get.	00:08:21
	Through their eyes, that's the excitement that I get out of it.	00:08:23
	I just wanted to give a little shout out to the Chumash people, the original caretakers of this land.	00:08:27
	They inspire me every day.	00:08:33
	I don't know if you guys can tell, but I'm wearing my.	00:08:35
	Ribbon scope, which is a native tradition handed down by our grandmothers.	00:08:37
	And that's something special. And I wore that today just to be here to represent my culture and who I am.	00:08:42
	Just like this community, Amgen is a melting pot of diversity. We've got so much culture amongst.	00:08:47
	Our staff and so for us all to come together.	00:08:53
	To support our community is.	00:08:57
	Very inspiring.	00:08:59
	Somebody that was going to be here tonight that couldn't make it windy. Delgado, who led this community effort this year. Each	00:09:00
	year we have somebody else.	00:09:04
	Leading our.	00:09:08
	Planet with a city of port Wayne me our closer cleanup and Wendy wanted to be here but she had other prior and.	00:09:09
	Engagements and couldn't be here today, but I would like to give a shout out to her because she did lead the port windy efforts.	00:09:15
	I was more focused on the global efforts with over 20 sites.	00:09:22
	Participating in Coastal cleanup this year, we beat our records from last year. In the video it said 19.	00:09:26
	This year we had 20 sites.	00:09:31
	From Singapore Island, Rhode Island, Singapore.	00:09:33
	Ireland.	00:09:37
	The Netherlands. We had Puerto Rico.	00:09:39
	There was just so many of us all coming together and having the resources to support them. That was my job this year.	00:09:44
	And again, I want to thank all of you. City Council member want to give a special shout out to Stephen Gama for making it so easy	00:09:51
	for volunteers to go out on a Saturday.	00:09:56
	And volunteer because if it wasn't for him.	00:10:01
	We put and couldn't do what we do. So thank you Stephen for allowing us to partner with the city of Port Wayne, me on not just.	00:10:03
	Coastal Cleanup, but every Saturday.	00:10:09
	Thank you. Thank you. And we have a little certificate for you of inspiration. And I do want to add that Amgen is so big.	00:10:11
	How big is it?	00:10:18
	We have 3 or 4 different.	00:10:19
	Groups from Amgen that come out.	00:10:21
	And, and it's really inspiring. So this is just the research and engineering group.	00:10:24
	But there's the global marketing group and.	00:10:29
	Another group, I can't recall the name, so we appreciate the effort and.	00:10:33
	Anyone willing to?	00:10:37
	And wanting to come out, come out every Saturday and I'll present this to you and.	00:10:38
	Thank you.	00:10:43
	123.	00:11:07
	Yeah, welcome.	00:11:23
	And thank you, Councilmember Gama. We're going to move on to public comments. So we're going to hear public comments not	00:11:30
	pertaining to the items on the agenda.	00:11:35
	Madam Clerk, do we have any public comments? There will be 3 minutes.	00:11:40
	Yes. And I just wanted to note that we did receive written public comments. They were provided to the City Council prior to this	00:11:43
	meeting. In addition, they have been posted to the cities website and included in the agenda packet binder that's just outside	00:11:48
	this council chamber for the publics review.	00:11:53
	The first person for public comment.	00:11:59
	Becky Bruno.	00:12:01
	And that will be followed by Paul Quigley.	00:12:02
	Good evening, Mayor. Mayor.	00:12:11
	Him, council staff and audience.	00:12:13
	I'm here tonight representing Rook up the Outdoors.	00:12:16
	This Sunday will be our last.	00:12:19
	Fishing day of the year.	00:12:22
	And we are going to have a costume contest, so make sure your kids wear their costumes.	00:12:24
	And come out and just have a great time. We'll be there from 8:00 to 11:00.	00:12:31
	Thank you.	00:12:36
	Paul Quigley.	00:12:37
	Sarah Wachowski, you'll be next.	00:12:45
	Good evening.	00:12:51
	I'm Paul Quickly.	00:12:52
	But when you mean homeowner?	00:12:55
	I wanted to thank the City Council for giving me the opportunity to speak.	00:12:57
	This evening.	00:13:00
	And to express my concerns about the.	00:13:01
	The short term rental ordinance which I understand in.	00:13:05
	First training is going to be two weeks from today.	00:13:07
	I recently purchased a home.	00:13:13
	Just east of the base my.	00:13:15
	What I want to do?	00:13:17
	Is move up.	00:13:18
	Retire I.	00:13:20
	Deliver work in Santa Monica, but.	00:13:21
	Helping retiring.	00:13:23
	Soon SO.	00:13:25
	What my name? You really appealed to me as a Really.	00:13:27
	Small seaside community, very friendly, very intimate.	00:13:30
	And I really.	00:13:33
	Feel welcome here.	00:13:34
	But.	00:13:37
	When I attended the meeting back on June 25th.	00:13:38
	There was a lot of discussion about this survey.	00:13:42
	I want to talk about 3 things. I want to talk about the survey.	00:13:46
	I want to talk about.	00:13:51
	But I think that should be a.	00:13:52
	A more.	00:13:55
	Sound approach on.	00:13:57
	A regulatory strategy.	00:13:58
	And I want to talk about.	00:14:01
	A little bit more about my own personal situation.	00:14:02
	And why?	00:14:04
	Short term rentals.	00:14:06
	Make a lot of sense in my situation.	00:14:07
	My concern?	00:14:10
	With the survey.	00:14:12
	Mainly as.	00:14:14
	The way the sample.	00:14:15
	Size was selected.	00:14:17
	It's a really very small 200.	00:14:19
	200 respondents out of.	00:14:23
	You know, which represents less than 1%.	00:14:24
	Of the entire population.	00:14:28
	I think it's.	00:14:30
	I think it's very anecdotal. It's.	00:14:31
	It's useful information. I think it's.	00:14:33
	My concern is that.	00:14:36
	The city may be running with.	00:14:39
	With data which?	00:14:41
	Is very limited in terms of validity and doesn't really represent.	00:14:43
	What I would call a meaningful cross section of.	00:14:48
	The city population and the entire.	00:14:53
	Housing inventory in the city.	00:14:56
	The survey fails to point out a single problem with short term rentals.	00:15:01
	I don't know. I don't know if you.	00:15:05
	And I was taken back by that.	00:15:08
	There are 50.	00:15:11
	Properties involved with short term rentals and.	00:15:15
	In the city.	00:15:18
	That's like out of 8000 housing units. So it's like.	00:15:20
	Well, what's the problem?	00:15:23
	But the.	00:15:26
	The next thing I really wanted to.	00:15:29
	Mention here is that.	00:15:33
	That there's a better way in terms of.	00:15:34
	Developing this ordinance, it's.	00:15:39
	Getting getting to what the problems are right?	00:15:42
	If it's a noise problem, focus on the noise, don't try to.	00:15:45
	Over regulate.	00:15:48
	And dictate turn turn.	00:15:50
	Terms that relate to.	00:15:52
	Maximum number of occupants per house.	00:15:54
	Sir, we're gonna let you finish your sentence. So finish your sentence and your time is up.	00:15:58
	Thank you. OK.	00:16:02
	All right, so anyway.	00:16:03
	Yeah, go.	00:16:07
	What I'm seeing is a survey that.	00:16:08
	Is very biased. It's it's really.	00:16:10
	An opinion survey. It's a start, but get more.	00:16:13
	Definitive information on where these problems are.	00:16:17
	Thank you. An ordinance around that?	00:16:20
	Thank you.	00:16:22
	Around that your 3 minutes is up Sir.	00:16:23
	Around those problems. OK, yeah, I didn't, I didn't realize I.	00:16:25
	I had a 2 minute limit, 3 minutes. I appreciate the opportunity.	00:16:28
	And.	00:16:33
	Look forward to.	00:16:34
	Uh.	00:16:35
	Third reading, Thanks.	00:16:37
	City Manager, I'll just note, I know it was mentioned, but the we are scheduling that ordinance to be heard at the next council	00:16:40
	meeting.	00:16:43
	And so there will be an opportunity for further discussion at that time.	00:16:48
	Yes, thank you for your comment.	00:16:51
	Hi, good evening, Mayor McQueen Lejeune.	00:16:54
	City Council and city staff.	00:16:58
	My name is Sarah Wilchesky and I am here as part of 805 Immigrant Rapid Response Network and 8:05 and DOCU Fund.	00:16:59
	On October 1st, I just received a huge boost of their funding.	00:17:06
	And since then we have.	00:17:10
	Since then, we have only seen them.	00:17:11
	Get more aggressive and more dangerous in their actions.	00:17:13
	While we have not seen another glass house yet.	00:17:17
	It is only a matter of time.	00:17:20
	Just last week they rammed a volunteer responders car.	00:17:23
	And arrested him.	00:17:27
	That made national news.	00:17:30
	And just happened next door.	00:17:32
	In Oxnard.	00:17:34
	It is now October 20th.	00:17:36
	And we need you to take.	00:17:38
	Tangible action.	00:17:39
	We need you to support our vulnerable immigrant neighbors.	00:17:42
	Continue to investigate what other cities are doing to stand up for their immigrant communities. Host a forum where these issues	00:17:46
	can.	00:17:49
	Be openly discussed.	00:17:52
	Host an immigrant resource.	00:17:54
	Workshop like.	00:17:56
	Moorpark.	00:17:58
	Santa Paula created an immigrant.	00:17:59
	Recreation Committee.	00:18:01
	Oxnard and several other communities have offered their support to the Vasquez Perdomo V Gnome.	00:18:03
	Lawsuit and are looking into joining.	00:18:07
	Newsom V Trump.	00:18:11
	Please consider signing a common interest agreement in both of these lawsuits with the plaintiffs.	00:18:14
	Please consider allocating.	00:18:21
	Portion of the Community benefit fund.	00:18:23
	Towards immigrant legal defense and education.	00:18:25
	There's so much that can be done to support our immigrant community.	00:18:28
	And these are just a start.	00:18:31
	And to the community.	00:18:36
	If you see any ice activity or have been impacted by them.	00:18:37
	Please call or text the 805 Undocumented hotline at 8:05.	00:18:41
	870.	00:18:45
	8855.	00:18:46
	You can also text alerts.	00:18:47
	Or alert us.	00:18:49
	To the hotline to receive alerts when we have a confirmed ice sighting.	00:18:50
	You can also volunteer with us. We haven't.	00:18:54
	Upcoming training in Newbury Park on Monday.	00:18:56
	Thank you.	00:18:59
	Thank you.	00:19:00
	That concludes public comment.	00:19:01
	Great. Thank you.	00:19:03
	Will now move on to agenda approval. May I have a motion and a second to approve the agenda?	00:19:05
	So moved.	00:19:12
	2nd.	00:19:13
	Madam Clark.	00:19:15
	All in favor.	00:19:15
	Aye, all opposed.	00:19:16
	Hearing none, motion passes unanimously.	00:19:18
	Thank you.	00:19:21
	Do any members of Council have any conflict?	00:19:22
	Of interest to disclose regarding any of the agenda items.	00:19:24
	We're going to move on to presentations. We first have Down syndrome Awareness Month proclamation.	00:19:32
	And that's going to be.	00:19:38
	Presented by.	00:19:41
	Councilwoman.	00:19:43
	Councilmember Perez.	00:19:44
	And we're going to ask at this time that police chief.	00:19:46
	Frederico.	00:19:49
	And representative of Winemie Elementary School District. Come on down while we read the proclamation.	00:19:52
	All right.	00:19:59
	I am reading the Down syndrome Awareness Month Proclamation October 2025.	00:20:02
	Whereas October is designated as Down syndrome Awareness Month.	00:20:07
	And whereas Down syndrome is the most survivable genetic different.	00:20:11
	Affecting one in every.	00:20:15
	733.	00:20:17
	Live births in the United States.	00:20:19
	And whereas.	00:20:21
	Trisomy 21, the most common type of Down syndrome, is caused by.	00:20:24
	An extra third copy of the 21st chromosome.	00:20:28
	And whereas the genes on the extra chromosome interact with other genes, causing varying degrees of learning difficulties.	00:20:33
	As well as physical disabilities.	00:20:40
	The learning difficulties or degree of intellectual disability.	00:20:42
	Can be mild to severe.	00:20:46
	But most commonly fall somewhere in the moderate area.	00:20:48
	And whereas individuals with Down syndrome.	00:20:52
	Have physical charac.	00:20:55
	Characteristics similar to a family.	00:20:56
	Or ethnic resemblance.	00:20:58
	Individuals with Down syndrome are also just that.	00:21:00
	Individuals.	00:21:03
	The effects of the extra chromosome.	00:21:04
	Do not affect each person the same.	00:21:06
	The exact same way.	00:21:08
	There are common physical character.	00:21:10
	Heuristics of Down syndrome.	00:21:12
	Among individuals, however.	00:21:14
	The degree of physical.	00:21:16
	Characteristics also varies among individuals.	00:21:18
	And whereas children with Down syndrome are educated in many different ways.	00:21:20
	However, early intervention and early education are key to the individual's development.	00:21:25
	Some individuals participate in special needs education.	00:21:31
	And also all inclusive education settings.	00:21:34
	Including extracurricular.	00:21:37
	Programs for both of those areas.	00:21:39
	And whereas many adults with Down syndrome.	00:21:42
	Live independently.	00:21:44
	Live in living programs or with their families.	00:21:46
	Many individuals have jobs either working independently or with a job coach.	00:21:49
	Some individuals attend day programs that focus on special activities.	00:21:54
	And whereas people with Down syndrome.	00:21:59
	Often find a lot of satisfaction in the activities that they participate in and experience.	00:22:01
	Most individuals with Down syndrome.	00:22:07
	Grow.	00:22:09
	Learn and function well within all communities.	00:22:09
	One area of strength for individuals with Down syndrome.	00:22:13
	Is their social skills.	00:22:16
	Which often exceed their academic achievements and help them to achieve a happy and productive life.	00:22:17
	Now therefore be it proclaimed that the City Council of Port Winemie.	00:22:24
	Hereby recognizes October 2025.	00:22:28
	As Down syndrome Awareness Month.	00:22:31
	In the city of Port Wayne, ME.	00:22:33
	And encourages the community to support the quality of life.	00:22:34
	For individuals with Down syndrome.	00:22:38
	By promoting inclusion.	00:22:40
	Acceptance, community connections, and awareness of individuals with Down syndrome.	00:22:41
	Proclaimed this 20th day of October 2025.	00:22:47
	And thank you. And as in the Pasture Police Department.	00:22:54
	Will be wearing our blue and yellow.	00:22:57
	Sport Down syndrome awareness pins.	00:22:59
	Your commissioner cameo here is also wearing her blue pin here on her.	00:23:02
	Her her blue and yellow ribbon with the badge on it as well.	00:23:06
	Here we have for you tonight.	00:23:10
	Our friends across the street.	00:23:12
	From our Waimea school district.	00:23:14
	Superintendent Christine Walker's hiding back there and.	00:23:17
	Super awesome leader amongst us.	00:23:20
	And who we invited here tonight was.	00:23:23
	Staff from the.	00:23:27
	The special needs education department.	00:23:29
	Which is Stephanie and Aaron.	00:23:32
	And Stephanie is their director.	00:23:34
	And.	00:23:36
	Most parents in the special needs world will remind everybody.	00:23:38
	In this great country of ours, we don't.	00:23:42
	Need to put our kids with special needs in private schools?	00:23:45
	Some of the best education that comes to our kids with special needs is from our public schools.	00:23:49
	You just need a combination of two things.	00:23:54
	You need.	00:23:56
	Teachers and staff that care.	00:23:58
	And you need to make sure that there's funding for it.	00:24:01
	In the schools.	00:24:03
	And we're fortunate to have that so.	00:24:04
	We have great staff here.	00:24:07
	In this school district.	00:24:09
	And we're happy to have them here.	00:24:11
	OK.	00:24:16
	Hello.	00:24:18
	I wanted to say something too.	00:24:21
	I took a bit short though, my dad told me.	00:24:27
	So I want to say.	00:24:31
	About those these these two teachers.	00:24:33
	Because they.	00:24:39
	Pretty good and I want to say they.	00:24:42
	I wanted to thank them.	00:24:46
	They happened teaching.	00:24:51
	The specialist, the students with Darling Drum, just just like me.	00:24:54
	Because.	00:24:59
	I also have.	00:25:01
	Umm doesn't do them too. And I asked Butcher knees too.	00:25:02
	And I want to say.	00:25:07
	I want to thank them.	00:25:10
	For their support and I want to thank them for.	00:25:13
	Good job for changing them.	00:25:18
	To teach them love and change and teach them.	00:25:20
	Has it be? Has it be?	00:25:24
	Praise my and it needs to be.	00:25:28
	To be more.	00:25:32
	Independent to.	00:25:35
	For their independence.	00:25:38
	And they had to be.	00:25:41
	And I don't just like me.	00:25:43
	I am 26.	00:25:47
	Years old.	00:25:49
	And they have to be.	00:25:50
	Very umm.	00:25:52
	Very unpredictable.	00:25:56
	What their lives?	00:25:58
	Thank you.	00:26:01
	Well, thank you for having us tonight.	00:26:13
	My name is Stephanie Barnes and I am the Director of our People Support Services at Winimi Elementary School District. This is my	00:26:15
	colleague.	00:26:19
	Erin Murphy, She's program specialist, but.	00:26:23
	The honor is all ours.	00:26:27
	To serve our students and our families. So thank you again for for having us tonight.	00:26:28
	So thank you.	00:26:34
	Thank you.	00:26:36
	And present the proclamation and get a photo.	00:26:40
	123.	00:26:59
	Good job, Cameo.	00:27:14
	Good job, Cameo.	00:27:18
	And thank you all for coming out.	00:27:22
	And we're going to move to our next proclamation.	00:27:24
	It's in recognition of Cybersecurity Awareness Month, so I'd like to welcome our Deputy City Manager, Charles.	00:27:29
	Carettes and our IT manager.	00:27:35
	Aaron Wiedemeyer.	00:27:37
	While they come up, Councilmember Hernandez is going to read the proclamation.	00:27:39
	Thank you, Mayor.	00:27:44
	October 2025 is National Cybersecurity Awareness Month.	00:27:46
	WHEREAS, October is known as National Cybersecurity Awareness Month and is intended to raise awareness of protecting our data and	00:27:50
	technologies from malicious hackers and cyber threats.	00:27:54
	And whereas, the theme for Cybersecurity Awareness Month 2025 is Stay Safe Online.	00:28:00
	And whereas we recognize the importance of support, why NIMI citizens realizing the positive impacts?	00:28:06
	Of our digital future.	00:28:11
	And WHEREAS, we encourage all Port Wine EMI residents and city staff to learn more about cybersecurity.	00:28:13
	In both their work.	00:28:19
	And home environments and whereas the city works actively.	00:28:20
	To instruct.	00:28:24
	And test staff.	00:28:25
	And City Council members, it should say, e-mail users on social engineering.	00:28:26
	Phishing attempts and whereas while cyber security awareness is important.	00:28:31
	To address.	00:28:35
	Year round, Cybersecurity Awareness Month provides A dedicated time.	00:28:36
	To remember each of us has a part to play in keeping ourselves.	00:28:40
	And others safe.	00:28:44
	And whereas, according to the National Cybersecurity Alliance, 2023.	00:28:45
	Oh, behave. Report 84.	00:28:50
	84% of people considered online safety a priority.	00:28:52
	But only 38% of people used unique passwords.	00:28:56
	For all their accounts.	00:28:59
	And whereas we use this month to honor all of the cybersecurity professionals.	00:29:01
	Who are working tireless to defend our digital world now therefore be it proclaimed that the City Council of the City of Port	00:29:05
	Wayne, me does.	00:29:09
	Hereby recognize October 2025.	00:29:13
	Has Cybersecurity Awareness month.	00:29:16
	And encourages the community to spread awareness for this important.	00:29:18
	Proclaim this 20th day of October, 2025.	00:29:22
	Charles Aaron, thank you for your good work.	00:29:26
	Well, thank you for the proclamation and thank you for the opportunity to to share that information We all.	00:29:29
	Hear stories in the news about cyber attacks and and hacking stories so.	00:29:35
	We know that we should be mindful of cybersecurity dangers, but for too many of us I think it falls lower on the To Do List so.	00:29:41
	It's important that we take moments like this to pause and reflect and think about.	00:29:47
	The things that we can do to make sure that we are.	00:29:52
	More secure. Just last week the Ray Puter library had an event.	00:29:55
	To share information to members of the public.	00:29:59
	About cybersecurity concerns and things they can do to be safer.	00:30:02
	And we wanted to take this opportunity.	00:30:05
	To have the proclamation and share some information.	00:30:07
	In that regard as as well so.	00:30:09
	With that.	00:30:11
	I'm going to turn it over to Aaron Wiedemeyer, our IT manager, who can share a few words about the things that the city does.	00:30:12
	To stay safe.	00:30:18
	And some tips and tricks for members of the public as well.	00:30:19
	Thank you.	00:30:22
	I'd also like to thank City Council for taking the time to recognize the continuing importance of cybersecurity.	00:30:24
	With this proclamation and also with your continued support in approving the budgets when we make those requests for those.	00:30:30
	Items.	00:30:37
	It's extremely important to remember that cyber criminals do not take a day off.	00:30:38
	They are always.	00:30:44
	Busy trying to hack into our systems and it's equally important for city staff.	00:30:48
	And for the public?	00:30:55
	To be.	00:30:56
	Cognizant of those activities.	00:30:58
	The city does have extensive protections in place.	00:31:01
	We have our Internet firewalls.	00:31:04
	We have antivirus software on all of our computers.	00:31:07
	We do regular penetration testing to.	00:31:11
	Find potential issues that we need to address.	00:31:14
	And again the.	00:31:18
	Continual staff training to recognize those attempts at fishing.	00:31:20
	As a gateway to get into our network.	00:31:25
	City residents may not be able to afford full firewalls.	00:31:28
	But it's extremely important to keep their antivirus software on all of their devices and to keep that.	00:31:33
	Software up to date.	00:31:39
	There are many vendors on the Internet who provide free antivirus software.	00:31:41
	If you do a Google search or whatever your favorite browser is.	00:31:47
	You can find many of those services for free.	00:31:51
	And like Mr. Perez mentioned, the local agencies like the Ventura County Library continued to have that.	00:31:56
	Education for the public.	00:32:03
	Generally, I believe it was free.	00:32:05
	Free stuff, so it's important to be aware of.	00:32:07
	Those emerging cyber threats and, and those are excellent places for.	00:32:12
	The public to go to.	00:32:17
	Residents should really remain vigilant.	00:32:21
	About the phishing e-mail attempts.	00:32:23
	And one simple example is if you're not expecting something from your bank or from a vendor.	00:32:26
	Don't click on any of the links.	00:32:33
	If if you're concerned about what happened there.	00:32:35
	Use your independent saved link that you use on a regular basis to go to the.	00:32:39
	The bank or the website or if you have an app on your phone, use your app on your phone. Don't click on any of those links. They	00:32:44
	may look like they are legitimate, but.	00:32:48
	They're probably not.	00:32:53
	And then in closing.	00:32:56
	The old adage remains true even in our digital world.	00:32:57
	If it seems too good to be true.	00:33:01
	It probably is.	00:33:03
	I have a question. Thank you. Yes.	00:33:06
	Can you?	00:33:08
	So when I look at antivirus software and and you know all that.	00:33:10
	Sometimes I feel like, well, this could be.	00:33:14
	A fishing What about this one? What about that one? So.	00:33:17
	Could you provide us a list of what?	00:33:21
	You, the expert, would recommend as a top three.	00:33:23
	For us to consider.	00:33:27
	Is that possible?	00:33:28
	I'm not prepared with that, to tell you the honest truth.	00:33:29
	Can I remember the name of the one I?	00:33:34
	Personally at home.	00:33:36
	I can't. Yeah. Maybe that's something you can bring back to us.	00:33:39
	OK, umm.	00:33:43
	Yeah, I could like I say the the if you do the the search on the Internet, especially for the free services and.	00:33:44
	They come up. They're the top list in.	00:33:52
	If you look at any related reviews, you'll see who is doing a good job, but pretty much all of them do a good job. They do want	00:33:56
	you to pay for service.	00:34:01
	They will send you an ad every week or month saying hey.	00:34:07
	While you have the basic security on, we could do all this extra stuff for you. 4 feet.	00:34:11
	But that basic security is really.	00:34:16
	The important first level of protection so that you.	00:34:19
	Keep your devices secure.	00:34:22
	Great. Thank you. Any other questions?	00:34:26
	Any questions?	00:34:28
	Thank you for your report. Thank you so much for your presentation.	00:34:29
	I'm going to present the proclamation. Yes, sorry, I want to.	00:34:33
	Do something a little different, have the mayor, mayor Pro Tem, I present this and then the rest of the council.	00:34:37
	Sure. Come on, Mayor Pro Tem.	00:34:43
	Sure.	00:34:45
	123.	00:35:05
	Thank you, Aaron. Thank you, Charles.	00:35:10
	And for our final presentation, we have.	00:35:25
	With US Beacon executive director Mark.	00:35:28
	And forgive me, I don't.	00:35:31
	Pronounce your name correctly. Have a couple of them. Baylor will be given a presentation via Zoom. I understand we will be joined	00:35:33
	by.	00:35:36
	Doctor Kiki.	00:35:40
	And let's see. And then we have Mr. Oh.	00:35:45
	Mr. Brian Brennan.	00:35:48
	Here in person.	00:35:50
	OK, wonderful.	00:35:52
	So thank you all for joining. So we'll turn it over to you, Mr. Baylor.	00:35:54
	Yes, thank you. I hope you all can hear me well.	00:36:02
	Yes.	00:36:05
	Yes, we can.	00:36:09
	Well, thank you for.	00:36:11
	Inviting Beacon to provide a little background.	00:36:13
	To the City Council today, I want to say.	00:36:16
	Beacons excited to.	00:36:19
	Attend City Council again.	00:36:21
	Meeting of the Port Windy City of Port Wayne, ME City Council.	00:36:24
	And I'm always, I'm going to say this as I start I'm.	00:36:27
	Always blown away.	00:36:30
	By the level of citizen.	00:36:32
	Government representative.	00:36:36
	It's just, it blows my mind, the partnership that I see in your community.	00:36:39
	So as somebody who?	00:36:44
	Had to follow amazing presentations I just can't even imagine.	00:36:45
	And I go to a lot of civic.	00:36:49
	Functions.	00:36:51
	You're blessed.	00:36:52
	With the people that live.	00:36:54
	In Port Winemian, support all your actions and I think they're blessed to have you as well.	00:36:55
	So with that.	00:37:00
	If I can, I just wanted to.	00:37:01
	Before I.	00:37:03
	Turn on my.	00:37:04
	Zoom say that yes I'm.	00:37:05
	Supported today by Doctor Kiki Patch from Cal State University, Channel Islands.	00:37:08
	Just.	00:37:12
	Up the street.	00:37:13
	And by Brian Brennan, who was.	00:37:15
	Just up the street the other way.	00:37:17
	In Ventura.	00:37:20
	Who's a special projects representative?	00:37:22
	And I want to thank you for letting me come not.	00:37:26
	In person tonight.	00:37:29
	Which I've done in the past, but by Zoom.	00:37:30
	To accommodate.	00:37:33
	My situation, my condition tonight, so.	00:37:35
	Thank you very much.	00:37:37
	I do want to just say a few things.	00:37:38
	Few words about Beacon before I get into the.	00:37:40
	Several points I want to make.	00:37:42
	In response to the invitation.	00:37:44
	But let me see if I can share my screen.	00:37:46
	And.	00:37:49
	Get it up.	00:37:54
	And start it.	00:37:56
	And now you should all be able to see my screen.	00:37:58
	Is that correct?	00:38:03
	Yes.	00:38:06
	Thank you very much for telling me that.	00:38:07
	So as I said, I wanted to start.	00:38:09
	With just.	00:38:12
	A couple background points.	00:38:15
	I know you're all very educated and you spend a lot of time on the topics.	00:38:17
	But I just want to remind us all.	00:38:21
	Of the landscape.	00:38:24
	A beacon.	00:38:25
	And the structure of Beacon.	00:38:26
	So Beacon covers what we call the Santa Barbara Littoral cell.	00:38:28
	From the source of our sediment and sands.	00:38:32
	To the in state of the loss of our sediment and sands in this natural catchment area.	00:38:35
	Drained by our river streams.	00:38:40
	And creeks.	00:38:42
	That are served by our regional.	00:38:43
	Coastal draining watersheds.	00:38:47
	Very important.	00:38:49
	Landscape and beacon.	00:38:51
	Is is comparisons of the six coastal cities in the South Coast.	00:38:53
	We know it sometimes.	00:38:57
	And the two counties.	00:38:59
	And our beat.	00:39:01
	As it were.	00:39:03
	Our our sandy beaches and our coastal resources.	00:39:04
	And in a large measure.	00:39:08
	Santa Maria sand.	00:39:10
	And Kuyama sand.	00:39:13
	Is Santa Barbara and Ventura's beaches.	00:39:15
	It's a very long scale.	00:39:19
	Presentation.	00:39:20
	But that's how the system dynamics works and you'll.	00:39:21
	You know that and we'll talk about a little bit tonight.	00:39:24
	It's with also a bit of humility that I say that Beacon is supported.	00:39:28
	By the 8 member jurisdictions with.	00:39:33
	And that you, the City Council and your staff and your representatives.	00:39:36
	Have supported.	00:39:40
	A beacon is part of the.	00:39:41
	Partnership.	00:39:43
	And the.	00:39:44
	Chorus, as it were.	00:39:45
	Of trying to advance our policy of.	00:39:46
	Preserving our coastal resources while providing for.	00:39:48
	A very robust human use.	00:39:51
	So with that, I just want to say a couple things.	00:39:54
	That.	00:39:57
	What? Why Beacon?	00:39:58
	Why would you?	00:40:01
	Get together with your.	00:40:03
	Colleagues and other jurisdictions.	00:40:04
	One because of scale because.	00:40:06
	The littoral cell really is a very large 100, almost 150 miles.	00:40:08
	Geography of our coast.	00:40:12
	And because.	00:40:14
	We again as we do our projects.	00:40:15
	Preserving our sandy beaches through a variety of means, but meets nourishment is 1. We know in the absence of this.	00:40:18
	Management activity and enhanced activity.	00:40:25
	We really do.	00:40:27
	Have the threat of losing.	00:40:30
	A great deal of our sandy beaches.	00:40:32
	And as well as our coastal infrastructure.	00:40:35
	So we support.	00:40:39
	Beach nourishment projects in a variety of locations in the region.	00:40:40
	Environmentally, ecologically sound.	00:40:44
	Beach nursing projects. We don't want to destroy the beach to save it.	00:40:47
	We want to preserve it for multiple values of its habitat.	00:40:51
	It's cultural, it's economic.	00:40:55
	For all the values.	00:40:57
	That it represents.	00:40:59
	It's very inspiring to hear.	00:41:02
	About.	00:41:04
	The beach cleanup efforts Both.	00:41:04
	Your city.	00:41:07
	But also again of your partnership and to hear the stories of people who volunteer based on.	00:41:09
	In some measure.	00:41:14
	What they did with their parents when they were children.	00:41:16
	How they learned about.	00:41:19
	The place they say they love and that they want to save and preserve for their children.	00:41:21
	It's amazing, just amazing stories.	00:41:26
	But one of the reasons we want to save our beach is for.	00:41:28
	Our own use and for future.	00:41:31
	Generations use.	00:41:33
	Beacon is particularly.	00:41:38
	Active.	00:41:39
	In collaborating to continue to develop the continued nourishment of Winemie Beach.	00:41:40
	And we do this through a variety of means.	00:41:47
	And I'm not going to report them all except to say that.	00:41:49
	In the absence of this coordination and collaboration.	00:41:53
	We will not.	00:41:57
	Mobilize sufficient resources.	00:41:58
	To keep this enterprise.	00:42:00
	Fully funded and operational.	00:42:03
	And even with that.	00:42:06
	It's a very difficult enterprise.	00:42:07
	And we'll just talk about the scale and the.	00:42:10
	And the structure of why we do.	00:42:12
	The bypassing to provide beach nourishment currently on.	00:42:14
	Winimi Beach and why it's a continuing obligation.	00:42:19
	And that's why we have a larger partnership.	00:42:22
	And we're very committed to this.	00:42:24
	Partnership.	00:42:26
	In support.	00:42:27
	So, Long story short.	00:42:28
	The development of the port of Winimi, both the civilian port of Winimi and the military.	00:42:31
	Naval Base.	00:42:36
	Has had long, immediate and long standing impacts on the down.	00:42:37
	Sure, current.	00:42:42
	And the littoral drift.	00:42:44
	Supplying sand to our.	00:42:46
	Beaches and this was noted.	00:42:49
	Early.	00:42:52
	In the.	00:42:52
	Operation of the two operations and a plan to address this.	00:42:54
	Started in the 50s and you know this story, but it bears.	00:42:59
	Repeating.	00:43:02
	That again in the absence of action.	00:43:03
	We would have already lost these beach resources and you've seen that in previous times.	00:43:06
	When we didn't put enough sand on the beach.	00:43:11
	2013 would be.	00:43:13
	The case study of that.	00:43:14
	Let me go back please and I know I only have a short time.	00:43:16
	What I want to?	00:43:21
	What I want to describe is.	00:43:22
	What is the solution?	00:43:24
	For the maintenance.	00:43:26
	Of Wanimi Beach.	00:43:28
	Its continued regional sediment management activities.	00:43:30
	And sand bypass.	00:43:33
	Because it is.	00:43:35
	That is the solution for the problem we created with the installation of the bases and it interrupts the sand.	00:43:36
	And the sand is then collected.	00:43:42
	As a function of the engineering of Channel Islands Harbor.	00:43:44
	And then mechanically.	00:43:47
	Dredged and pumped.	00:43:49
	To the City Beach.	00:43:50
	On a federal obligation.	00:43:52
	Both federal Corps of Engineers.	00:43:53
	And the US Navy.	00:43:55
	And it takes a village.	00:43:57
	To maintain these systems that are very complex, very large scale.	00:44:00
	And require many people to.	00:44:06
	Partnership over many generations.	00:44:08
	Of leaders and citizens.	00:44:11
	Because remember now we've said this has been.	00:44:13
	Planned for since the 50s, but this bypassing operation has been in operation since.	00:44:16
	1963 I believe 1964.	00:44:20
	To some great success and when it.	00:44:24
	Falls fail.	00:44:26
	Or it stumbles.	00:44:28
	We see the results of that.	00:44:29
	I just wanted to.	00:44:32
	Remind us.	00:44:33
	Because not always go out and see. I was recently out to see some of the dredging and some people have showed me some pictures	00:44:34
	even of the current dredging, the scale of operations.	00:44:38
	This is a very large scale, very expensive operation.	00:44:42
	And I dare say that we need an integrated.	00:44:46
	Partnership strategy. The federal state.	00:44:49
	Regional and local.	00:44:52
	Efforts to keep it going in the way that we.	00:44:55
	We want to have a sustained beach.	00:44:57
	On in Wynemie.	00:45:00
	And just to conclude with this very.	00:45:04
	Overview Uh.	00:45:08
	Story of why we're doing what we're doing.	00:45:10
	And we can get into.	00:45:13
	Suggestions for?	00:45:14
	Improvements and variations, but why we're doing this? Why we need to continue to do it?	00:45:16
	Why it requires our support even as we.	00:45:21
	Advance the state-of-the-art to.	00:45:23
	To do it.	00:45:25
	In 2013, we did not do it. We fell short.	00:45:26
	On the obligation for placing sand.	00:45:29
	Within weeks if not.	00:45:32
	Days there was no beach in the city and we the infrastructure that you consider essential to your coastal.	00:45:34
	Resource District.	00:45:42
	Was absolutely threatened.	00:45:44
	And so.	00:45:46
	It's not that.	00:45:48
	Beacon for lack of effort, or the city for lack of better, or the County of Ventura?	00:45:50
	Or, for that matter, our federal representatives.	00:45:56
	That we need to maintain this and that in large measure we've done it.	00:45:59
	But we haven't done it because every time we have to reauthorize it.	00:46:03
	It's another battle over funding.	00:46:07
	And permitting.	00:46:10
	But with that I'm going to stop because.	00:46:12
	I said we only had 10 minutes.	00:46:14
	Doctor Patch and I She represents the.	00:46:16
	The Science Advisory Committee. She's a consultant to Beacon. She is your.	00:46:19
	Local expert.	00:46:24
	On sand budgets.	00:46:25
	On the geomorphology of.	00:46:27
	Sand movement.	00:46:29
	On sand transport.	00:46:30
	And fate.	00:46:33
	So we have the expert here and Kiki, I think one thing I will say, Doctor Patch, sorry.	00:46:34
	Is that?	00:46:39
	She has participated in it and helped us lead our Sand Summit series that we do.	00:46:39
	Annually. Umm.	00:46:45
	To exchange information that has been absolutely essential.	00:46:46
	It's a long wave activity, it's not a tomorrow thing.	00:46:49
	But.	00:46:51
	I think Doctor Patch has shown her commitment to.	00:46:53
	Participate in.	00:46:55
	In whatever.	00:46:56
	The feasible options are for future actions.	00:46:58
	That can address the sustainability of Winimi Beach and then.	00:47:01
	We have in the audience.	00:47:05
	Brian Brennan, who's been involved with Beacon for a very, very long time.	00:47:07
	And is an expert in his own.	00:47:11
	Right on sediment dynamics and coastal policy around sediment.	00:47:14
	And has led some of the charge in Ventura around.	00:47:18
	Doing a long standing coastal restoration project. So with that I'll stop.	00:47:22
	Sorry to talk too long.	00:47:27
	Answer any questions you might have.	00:47:29
	Here's my last slide, sorry.	00:47:33
	Let's see, unshare my screen. Sorry, you can't look at my screen. Jeez.	00:47:46
	Oh, there it is.	00:47:54
	OK, if there's another presentation.	00:47:56
	Go ahead and move forward.	00:47:57
	Doctor Patch, did you have anything?	00:48:01
	Oh no, I am here just supporting Mark if anybody had any questions.	00:48:04
	OK.	00:48:09
	Are there any questions?	00:48:11
	Any questions? I have questions, go ahead.	00:48:14
	So, uh.	00:48:16
	As Port Wayne, Amy is you know.	00:48:17
	As you can see, this has been going on for.	00:48:20
	Since since that port was dredged.	00:48:22
	Is there anything?	00:48:25
	Ousted in the United states or else in the world that has a similar issue that.	00:48:27
	That like a big engineering.	00:48:31
	Scope of work has been done to to change the flow of.	00:48:36
	Sand movement.	00:48:40
	Just, you know, just to keep dredging as the only first option.	00:48:42
	Is there any re engineering that could be done?	00:48:48
	To change.	00:48:52
	To change the flow of the sand.	00:48:53
	Iki, I'm going to let you answer that question, but.	00:48:59
	I appreciate.	00:49:02
	The question I'm going to repeat just a couple, just a point and that is.	00:49:03
	This is the re engineering.	00:49:10
	Activity that can be done.	00:49:13
	To address the.	00:49:14
	Problem that was created when we installed the facilities.	00:49:15
	Now beacon is never.	00:49:21
	Afraid to and encourages.	00:49:24
	The community of practice to consider.	00:49:26
	How it can be done or what else can be done but beacon?	00:49:29
	Has in its.	00:49:33
	Policies and plans to date in the absence of an effective.	00:49:34
	Other alternative because this is the engineering choice.	00:49:39
	To support this, but as I say.	00:49:42
	We are research and a policy organization.	00:49:43
	And we can.	00:49:46
	As you might have noted in the.	00:49:47
	Ethernet around the Magoo question. The submarine Canyon question.	00:49:50
	There's a lot of questions around bypass.	00:49:54
	Not bypass sediment retention structure.	00:49:56
	So we're always.	00:50:00
	In the market?	00:50:01
	For trying to answer the question you just posed.	00:50:03
	And I don't remember, I can't see who asked it, but.	00:50:07
	Respectfully, uh.	00:50:10
	It's it's not that we're not.	00:50:11
	Structured to do that.	00:50:13
	But this is the.	00:50:15
	Reengineering of the coast to get the sand in the right place.	00:50:17
	OK, we had Kiki not to interrupt you. Sorry it is. No, I I have a quick answer basically is.	00:50:21
	We basically made our harbors before we really understood how sand moves down the coast. So what happened was.	00:50:26
	Really, the Santa Barbara Harbor kind of started it all. And we we.	00:50:34
	Created that harbor and then a few years later we had devastating erosion down in Carpinteria area and that really led to a lot of	00:50:38
	the science that.	00:50:42
	That made us really understand how waves push sand along the coast, where the sand is supplied from and how it's moving along the	00:50:47
	coast. So that was really for the whole United States, the first kind of wake up call that we needed to sort of engineer ourselves	00:50:53
	out of our engineered problems.	00:50:59
	And so with Port Winemi it.	00:51:05
	It just unfortunately is at the very end of a very large.	00:51:08
	Literal cell.	00:51:14
	And so for a lot of the harbors up and down the coast, if they're at the top of a literal cell and don't have a lot of sediment	00:51:15
	coming down, they don't have a big.	00:51:20
	Dredging problem like Crescent City Harbor, Dana Point Harbor, they're at the very.	00:51:25
	Start of a cell, so they don't really have a problem.	00:51:29
	The port Wainebi Harbor.	00:51:32
	We now understand is that the very end and has a huge dredging requirement. So that was why the engineers.	00:51:34
	Brainstormed what they can do, you know, we look at things like.	00:51:43
	Permeable groins, but that doesn't work at a harbor mouth because it'll fill in the navigation channel.	00:51:46
	So with this one in particular and the need to keep that navigation channel to a.	00:51:51
	Regulated depth.	00:51:56
	We have to.	00:51:58
	Catch that sand before it goes into the harbor mouth and bypass it to the other side.	00:51:59
	So it really is.	00:52:05
	At this point the best available.	00:52:06
	Science that we have is this sort of dredging process and.	00:52:09
	Channel Islands harbor was dredged with the intent of catching as much of that sand as we can with the way that the.	00:52:13
	The pier and the OR the groins were developed, and the jetties were developed to actually be an excellent sand trap.	00:52:20
	So that combination of Channel Islands Harbor and Port Winemi is actually a very effective engineering solution to.	00:52:26
	Sort of the problem we created.	00:52:34
	With this harbor at the very end of the cell.	00:52:35
	OK, so I have one more question SO.	00:52:40
	The sand traps that we have.	00:52:44
	They seem pretty effective at.	00:52:46
	You know, trapped in the sand.	00:52:48
	Would it be viable to have like?	00:52:51
	Like a tunnel.	00:52:54
	Underground that actually.	00:52:55
	You know a barge can actually hook up.	00:52:57
	That is.	00:53:00
	You know, pre positioned.	00:53:00
	And you could just start pumping sand.	00:53:02
	Without having to lay.	00:53:05
	Any groundwork down?	00:53:07
	I believe they tried that at one point, Mark. Correct me if I'm wrong, but at some places they do have, sort of.	00:53:10
	Permanent pipes that are.	00:53:17
	Put in that will sort of go underneath the harbor as you're saying, sort of like down at the bottom and come out the other side	00:53:19
	where they will then connect into.	00:53:23
	And sort of.	00:53:28
	Pump, but I don't think they do that there anymore.	00:53:29
	Do you know Mark?	00:53:33
	Oh, they don't. And the.	00:53:34
	I think the best analog would be Oceanside Heart.	00:53:35
	Yeah, they did that.	00:53:38
	And to to getting your question about.	00:53:40
	Are there?	00:53:43
	Any re engineering?	00:53:45
	Options.	00:53:47
	So I want to break it down a little bit because I want to be, I want to be responsive.	00:53:48
	The concern I've heard.	00:53:53
	And the concern we've had in funding it is that it's incredibly expensive.	00:53:54
	Like really expensive.	00:53:59
	And the costs are mounting.	00:54:01
	And then everyone talks about the conditions under which we do the dredging.	00:54:02
	All these.	00:54:06
	Micro issues. They're macro issues, but.	00:54:07
	Micro issues.	00:54:09
	And So what I want to suggest is that.	00:54:11
	We could analyze and you can think this through as a.	00:54:15
	As a logic problem.	00:54:18
	What are the dimensions of the concern around the current engineered solutions?	00:54:20
	Well, you just.	00:54:25
	I mentioned one thing is the.	00:54:26
	Is the.	00:54:28
	Pieces of equipment and how they're hooked together in a.	00:54:29
	Treatment Train.	00:54:33
	To get us the sand at the right location.	00:54:35
	We have a lot of buried.	00:54:37
	Elements of piping.	00:54:39
	That.	00:54:41
	Kept installed. Santa Barbara is a good example and I think we just did it here a little bit.	00:54:42
	The tunnel idea I.	00:54:48
	I do not think.	00:54:49
	Has been.	00:54:50
	Viable in locations where it's been tried.	00:54:51
	And then we get to the bar.	00:54:55
	And the barging.	00:54:56
	And bargain is both a physical and mechanical.	00:54:58
	Process, but it's an economic, political and managerial process.	00:55:01
	And I know.	00:55:06
	That we could do.	00:55:07
	Better.	00:55:09
	And trying to figure out.	00:55:10
	What's the best?	00:55:12
	Program, if we're going to have dredging to address some of the concerns about dredging.	00:55:13
	Santa Barbara has an electric dredge.	00:55:18
	Waianimi and Channel Islands Harbor has a.	00:55:21
	Diesel.	00:55:24
	Dredge. The conditions under which you can dredge are very variable by weather and other conditions.	00:55:25
	And the way in which we could imagine.	00:55:32
	That, uh.	00:55:35
	And I love I'm going to say this about Waiani. I cannot believe how.	00:55:36
	Sophisticated you all are.	00:55:40
	You have a skunk works in your own port.	00:55:41
	Where we could do all these things, imagine an electric future.	00:55:44
	Which you're imagining for the port.	00:55:49
	Based on the last storm, anyways.	00:55:50
	But imagine how we could change maybe some of the technology.	00:55:53
	Some of the economics.	00:55:56
	Some of the.	00:55:58
	Mobilization and some of the cost and This is why I think your point is important to respond to. So where we do bury pipe.	00:55:59
	The mobilization of.	00:56:07
	Putting a pipe down every 24 months is.	00:56:08
	Eliminated.	00:56:11
	We can.	00:56:12
	Be more cost effective.	00:56:13
	Or at least we can look at more cost effective.	00:56:15
	Ways to do our work. I believe that's true.	00:56:18
	We are on a regional level. We.	00:56:21
	Talk to our colleagues and they say.	00:56:23
	Why don't you buy a dredge?	00:56:25
	You're always saying the dredge is this, the dredge is that.	00:56:27
	Everything comes with cost. There's no free good.	00:56:30
	And it's like Owen or lease in a car or anything else.	00:56:33
	Do you really want to own that responsibility? Because if you own it.	00:56:37
	Then you might.	00:56:41
	Have to.	00:56:42
	Fund more of it, not less of it.	00:56:42
	So I'm going to point out these reasons not to discuss this and not to analyze this.	00:56:44
	But to understand them.	00:56:50
	The.	00:56:51
	Text in which this.	00:56:52
	Conversation can and should take place.	00:56:53
	Thank you for the patience in listening to us.	00:56:56
	Great. Thank you. And just for information, that was our mayor Pro Tem.	00:57:00
	Lopez.	00:57:04
	Thank you so much.	00:57:05
	Great. And I think Councilmember Hernandez had a comment.	00:57:06
	Hello, Mark. Hi, Doctor Patch, Laura Hernandez, your alternate on Beacon.	00:57:09
	I just had a question that I haven't been able to get a straight answer on. Or maybe I just missed missed the information	00:57:14
	somewhere along.	00:57:18
	The many discussions we've had over this issue of dredging and replenishing our beaches.	00:57:22
	Um, with the.	00:57:28
	Dismantling of Matilla ha damn.	00:57:29
	If and when that happens.	00:57:32
	What are the possibilities of the?	00:57:35
	The sediment that comes down.	00:57:37
	That riverbed will help.	00:57:40
	Address our situation here.	00:57:44
	At Waimea, what are the possibilities that that?	00:57:46
	Will be one of the solutions.	00:57:48
	Well, so.	00:57:51
	Doctor Patch described.	00:57:53
	That you're at the end of the pipe, so to speak.	00:57:55
	And you have.	00:57:58
	Two important barriers.	00:58:00
	Yours, the sand from Matillaha Dam would have to be bypassed twice.	00:58:03
	To get to Waeneme.	00:58:08
	And we'll do that. We will bypass it twice and we will get a twinemi and you will have your.	00:58:09
	Ventura River watershed.	00:58:14
	Sand. That's the scale at which we can't predict how long that would take to get into those catchment areas and be bypassed.	00:58:16
	But if you think of it as a system.	00:58:23
	And this again is.	00:58:26
	Answering to you or into the.	00:58:27
	Mayor Pro Tem, if you think of it, in the system in which we in the past, we presented it.	00:58:29
	Then the pieces of the system.	00:58:34
	Should be analyzed in the context of the regional.	00:58:38
	So that we can have the regional, federal, local funding.	00:58:40
	Solution approach.	00:58:44
	And then work on these questions of.	00:58:46
	Cost effectiveness, efficiency, and what I like to think of as bio mimicry, a fancy term to.	00:58:49
	The best way to get sand through our cell now is to mimic.	00:58:55
	The natural.	00:58:59
	Drift, uh.	00:59:00
	And then where we must bypass or?	00:59:01
	Whacked and through a tunnel or the barging or whatever, then we do that.	00:59:03
	And that if that system is the bigger one we're all looking at.	00:59:09
	And to.	00:59:14
	Doctor patches point we have 3 bypasses. We have Santa Barbara into the.	00:59:16
	Summerlin, Carpinteria.	00:59:20
	Ventura Harbor into.	00:59:22
	The Pierpont. I mean, that's beer, but into the.	00:59:24
	Santa Clara And then we have.	00:59:27
	The Channel Islands harbor.	00:59:28
	And we have other.	00:59:30
	We have. I just told you how much.	00:59:33
	Sam Well, I said that the thing comes from.	00:59:34
	The coastal draining watersheds and it does 97% in our.	00:59:37
	Literal.	00:59:43
	We're not not smart people, so we've looked twice in 25 years.	00:59:45
	At offshore sand.	00:59:50
	Sources.	00:59:52
	Is there another way to be more cost effective in getting sand to the beach? You can think of it as kind of a back passing in a	00:59:54
	way. It's already down out of the beach scape.	00:59:58
	It's beyond the the wave effect.	01:00:03
	And then you go in and you say could you reasonably cost effectively?	01:00:06
	I mean, the logic is that it's right offshore, the beach you need to nourish as opposed to.	01:00:10
	1/2 miles to the north.	01:00:15
	On the other side of a man made.	01:00:16
	Harbor, we've looked at that.	01:00:18
	The only thing I can say is that balancing impacts.	01:00:21
	It may or may not be environmentally more Sound or West Sound. We have very, very important marine resources from the near shore.	01:00:24
	All the way out.	01:00:31
	And can we do it cost effectively?	01:00:34
	So we have old data.	01:00:36
	And we're happy to do it.	01:00:37
	You know, entertain a conversation about the data.	01:00:39
	It doesn't. This is the problem with.	01:00:41
	The kid of parts.	01:00:43
	You could, for example, logically you could say, well, we'll put sand up from.	01:00:45
	You know our deeper channel and we'll pay for it.	01:00:48
	Or make the Navy pay for it or whatever. We'll pay for it.	01:00:51
	Then you have the sand trap.	01:00:54
	Problem of the sand trap is collecting sand.	01:00:55
	Which means at some point it's full.	01:00:59
	And it doesn't work in the way it's supposed to, and where it goes is what Doctor Patch says.	01:01:01
	It goes into the harbor navigational channel and in many cases might migrate up into the boat basin and be an enormous headache.	01:01:06
	And I'm not pointing that out to say don't do it. I'm pointing that out.	01:01:13
	Just be cognizant of the.	01:01:16
	Of the life cycle costs and the cost benefit equation and and the cost effectiveness.	01:01:18
	Calculation and all these things go into.	01:01:23
	The longer term management.	01:01:26
	And Beacon is excited to have this conversation with.	01:01:28
	The City Council.	01:01:30
	Your two Council representatives, Laura.	01:01:32
	And Steven?	01:01:35
	And sorry, Stephen Gallman.	01:01:37
	Council Member Hernandez.	01:01:38
	Bird dog us.	01:01:41
	Ask us.	01:01:42
	Demand of us.	01:01:43
	All the time.	01:01:45
	What can we do?	01:01:46
	What are we doing?	01:01:47
	How can we do it better?	01:01:48
	And how can we make it work?	01:01:50
	That's pretty fair summary.	01:01:51
	Of what your?	01:01:53
	Representatives are asking and.	01:01:54
	Requesting a.	01:01:56
	You have a very active representation on the beacon board.	01:01:58
	And so I'm very pleased to come today.	01:02:02
	And take a little bit of your time. Sorry you take so much of your time, but it is a very important topic.	01:02:05
	For the city, and we see that at Beacon.	01:02:09
	And you have really good resources in the region, not just Doctor Patch, but she's just.	01:02:11
	The tip of the iceberg. Really, really good scientist.	01:02:15
	Good science, good community member.	01:02:19
	So you're, you're again very blessed with the resources you've.	01:02:22
	Created, and I hope we can continue to have these conversations periodically. We'll be back and tell you what we're doing.	01:02:25
	In the region at some point.	01:02:31
	Spending everybody's money. But these questions are common to the region.	01:02:33
	And we?	01:02:37
	Really do seek to.	01:02:40
	Answer is.	01:02:41
	The as deep a question as you'd like to.	01:02:43
	Ask us.	01:02:45
	And to frame our action.	01:02:46
	To satisfy those.	01:02:48
	Questions much appreciated. Thank you. Yes, Doctor Pat.	01:02:50
	And I just had one quick thing about the Matilla Dam.	01:02:54
	I did work, I think in 2004 where, you know, we're looking at restoring the natural sand to this whole cell, right? And one of the	01:02:57
	recommendations is to remove that dam because it's blocking about 40% of the natural sand supply coming down the Ventura River.	01:03:05
	However, it's important to realize that.	01:03:12
	The Santa Clara River.	01:03:15
	Delivers about 11:50 times the amount of sand that the Ventura River.	01:03:17
	Delivers. So while it is great to restore the natural sand supply and that should be our first effort because you don't have to	01:03:23
	buy it, it's free, right?	01:03:27
	You it really is important to to understand that the Santa Clara River is like the bread and butter of your sand supply. It is	01:03:32
	like 12 times as much sand coming out of that river as Ventura River. Good to know, thank you.	01:03:38
	Doctor Patchets. I'm sorry, Stephen Gama, could you?	01:03:44
	Explain.	01:03:49
	The similarities.	01:03:50
	And differences between the Winemie Canyon and the Point Magoo Canyon.	01:03:52
	And the fact that.	01:03:57
	It's a very dynamic.	01:03:59
	They're very dynamic canyons. They're not static. They're changing, they're receding.	01:04:01
	And there are similarities, and there's some pretty big differences.	01:04:05
	Between.	01:04:09
	Magoo and.	01:04:09
	Winima Canyon.	01:04:10
	Yeah, the biggest difference is Magoo Canyon.	01:04:12
	Is a lot closer to the near shore zone, so when waves kind of travel back and forth in our near shore surf zone, they're going to	01:04:15
	start to interact with the Magoo Canyon in depths that are a lot shallower than the Winemi Canyon.	01:04:22
	So Port Wayne, me was actually.	01:04:30
	Built where it is built because you have that Canyon coming pretty close into shore and it was a great place to put a Canyon	01:04:32
	because you can have, you know, it's really deep just offshore.	01:04:37
	However, it is a little bit farther offshore, so it's not a complete catch to all of the sand that would be naturally traveling	01:04:43
	along that coastline.	01:04:47
	So before we put the port in there.	01:04:52
	While you did have some sand that was being funneled off.	01:04:54
	Offshore into that Canyon.	01:04:57
	It was the majority of that sediment was still making it past.	01:04:59
	The Canyon mouth.	01:05:03
	And then why? Or Magoo Canyon has a couple of branches that are coming off and encroaching.	01:05:05
	Shoreward, right? So it's trapping more of the sand, so it's a bigger player in sort of.	01:05:11
	Ending our.	01:05:16
	Literal cell and being a permanent sink of that sand.	01:05:18
	Does that help?	01:05:22
	Yes, and then?	01:05:23
	It's my understanding that the Magoo Canyon is crumbling back towards shore.	01:05:24
	And.	01:05:29
	And so even more of the sand today than it was, say, a decade ago.	01:05:31
	Because it is.	01:05:36
	Encroaching umm.	01:05:37
	Towards the shore, so it's capturing even more of that sand than it used to.	01:05:39
	Which is one of the reasons why we think.	01:05:43
	That there's more erosion than we've historically had.	01:05:46
	South of Magoo Canyon because it is starting to capture more of that sediment.	01:05:49
	So if.	01:05:54
	That erosion accelerated.	01:05:55
	One of the.	01:05:57
	Things that gets thrown around in beacon meetings is like, well we should put a pleasure craft harbor down by Point Magoo Canyon.	01:05:58
	And trapped.	01:06:04
	Similar to what we're doing in Channel Islands.	01:06:06
	Would that solve the problem or would that?	01:06:08
	Have unintended.	01:06:10
	Consequences.	01:06:12
	You know, I think both so.	01:06:13
	We at the sand summit, we had a number of scientists last, was it March or April, Mark, you know, talking about what are some of	01:06:16
	the engineering solutions, Are we able to capture that sediment before it goes down into the Magoo Submarine Canyon? It's like the	01:06:21
	$25,000 question we all want to know.	01:06:27
	There's a lot of great sand there.	01:06:33
	So there are some potential things to explore in terms of catching that sand after we've.	01:06:35
	After we've moved it from Channel Islands Harbor Sand Trap to the other side of Port Winemie, how do we keep that sand there?	01:06:42
	For a little bit longer.	01:06:50
	And I think the Navy is really interested in doing that. I think they're they're trying to figure out how to capture it before it	01:06:51
	kind of gets funneled into the deep.	01:06:56
	Deep ocean offshore down Magoo Canyon.	01:07:00
	So that is a great option that we can explore as a source of sand.	01:07:03
	If we can figure out a way to.	01:07:08
	To keep it on the beach there or trap it before it goes down in there.	01:07:09
	Yeah. And I just want to add as when I was nine years old, I spent a week out at Point Magoo.	01:07:13
	Um, camping there.	01:07:19
	On base.	01:07:20
	And the difference?	01:07:21
	That was a 1976.	01:07:23
	Perhaps the difference between then and now is like stark It's so dramatic and there's so much.	01:07:25
	Sand that is gone.	01:07:31
	And they'll never come back.	01:07:33
	Even if you look at where Broad Beach is, it got the name Broadbeach because it was a huge expanse of sand and you see that huge	01:07:35
	dune just down Cove.	01:07:40
	Coast, like that's an indicator that it used to be an area where we had a lot of sand.	01:07:45
	But the USGS did some bathymetric mapping and they see that over the years, the heads of those canyons have have crept.	01:07:50
	Closer and closer to the shore.	01:07:57
	They capture that sand and that's when you see when you disrupt a natural sand supply.	01:07:59
	You'll see the consequences down coast.	01:08:04
	Thank you.	01:08:07
	Great. Thank you.	01:08:09
	Councilmember Perez.	01:08:10
	OK. Well, thank you so much for your time and we appreciate it. And as you mentioned, Mr. Baylor, our primary and our alternate	01:08:12
	will be asking you questions in the very new future as we go forward.	01:08:19
	Brian, do you have any?	01:08:27
	OK. OK, great. Great. Thank you. Thank you.	01:08:28
	OK. Thank you so much.	01:08:31
	Thank you.	01:08:33
	Thanks a lot.	01:08:34
	Nice to see you all good.	01:08:35
	Thanks, Kiki.	01:08:38
	OK, we're going to move on to our consent.	01:08:40
	Calendar. We're going to consider the items here, which will be enacted in one motion unless a council member would like to pull	01:08:43
	an item.	01:08:47
	Does any council members like?	01:08:52
	You'd like to pull any items? Well, I was going to pull item number 4, but I think I'll just save my comments until the end of the	01:08:54
	meeting during.	01:08:58
	Council comments so just for the sake of time.	01:09:01
	OK, great.	01:09:04
	Item number 8.	01:09:05
	Item number 8.	01:09:07
	Anyone else?	01:09:09
	OK. So you do not want to pull item number four? No, I'll hold. OK.	01:09:11
	So is there a motion?	01:09:15
	For items number one through 7.	01:09:17
	Move to Pru items one through 7 second.	01:09:20
	Great. Thank you.	01:09:23
	Madam Clerk.	01:09:24
	All in favor.	01:09:26
	Aye, all opposed.	01:09:27
	Hearing none, motion passes unanimously.	01:09:29
	And I just wonder if I can do that. I just want to recognize we have Doctor McCoy.	01:09:31
	Here tonight we've already.	01:09:36
	Just let's see, was just approved your item.	01:09:38
	So did you have anything that you wanted to say to us this evening?	01:09:42
	Thank you. I'm actually.	01:09:46
	Right, OK.	01:09:50
	Sorry about that.	01:09:51
	But I just want to say thank you.	01:09:52
	OK, great. Thank you.	01:09:53
	And so let's take item number 8.	01:09:55
	What are they thanking us for?	01:09:57
	The del Sol item number 7 OK.	01:09:59
	Right.	01:10:02
	Yeah, so this caught my attention.	01:10:05
	And.	01:10:08
	I started to look into.	01:10:10
	Look at the.	01:10:12
	The ports vessel summary.	01:10:13
	As a means to.	01:10:16
	Try to calculate the number of.	01:10:17
	Of trucks.	01:10:19
	That are generated by the port.	01:10:21
	And we should be able to.	01:10:23
	Get an actual number by analyzing the vessel summary, for example.	01:10:26
	When a Chiquita progress.	01:10:31
	Comes in.	01:10:33
	I would think.	01:10:35
	That the.	01:10:36
	Port would be able to say Oh yeah the Chiquita progress has.	01:10:37
	The capability with the deepening of the port to bring in.	01:10:40
	600 containers or is it 800 containers?	01:10:44
	If I ChatGPT.	01:10:47
	That vessel?	01:10:51
	It says 12176 containers which.	01:10:52
	Seems an awful lot.	01:10:55
	So.	01:10:57
	I just think that.	01:11:00
	If we could get.	01:11:01
	Actual numbers.	01:11:03
	Trucks related to vessels.	01:11:05
	That it would give our engineering and public works.	01:11:08
	Department.	01:11:11
	Better data.	01:11:13
	To estimate wear and tear and roads and costs and all that. So.	01:11:15
	So this.	01:11:21
	Or this missed? I guess there was a mistake.	01:11:24
	Indicating that 1600 trucks.	01:11:27
	Are coming out of the gate of the port of Winim.	01:11:30
	And it's corrected in the staff report.	01:11:32
	But then it triggered me to say like well wait a minute.	01:11:34
	We shouldn't we be able to get an actual number?	01:11:37
	By vessel.	01:11:40
	Of truck trips so I just wanted to.	01:11:41
	Bring that up and see if we could do that.	01:11:43
	OK. Did you have?	01:11:45
	Yeah, and a couple of things. 1 is.	01:11:47
	I can note that the.	01:11:51
	The report was intended to be.	01:11:52
	Total truck trips on our streets.	01:11:54
	Because when we maintain our streets.	01:11:57
	We're preparing.	01:11:59
	To maintain them based on impacts? Not necessarily.	01:12:01
	You know, we can't just count impacts from one location or another. So, so the report was intended to be.	01:12:03
	All truck trips and there was just one section of the report.	01:12:09
	Where that wasn't clear, so we had identified that as correcting that the other thing is in the mean.	01:12:13
	Time while we've been working on that.	01:12:18
	I believe, and I'll make sure that I did.	01:12:20
	Passed these on. I believe the.	01:12:22
	The port actually did provide us some counts.	01:12:24
	From of their information to share with the council. So I think we passed those on, but I'll double check and make sure we pass	01:12:27
	those.	01:12:31
	Those reports on to the Council.	01:12:34
	And that's what.	01:12:36
	Triggered by.	01:12:37
	Thinking about this is like, well wait a minute.	01:12:38
	You have a.	01:12:42
	A vessel summary.	01:12:44
	And the vessels have names.	01:12:45
	And we should be able to get a number for each vessel that comes through the port.	01:12:48
	Over the several, you know, 12 months of the year.	01:12:51
	It just seems to me that that number should be readily available.	01:12:55
	OK, so.	01:13:00
	Let's go back to the.	01:13:01
	The item This is the pavement management and truck route.	01:13:03
	Life cycle cost analysis where we had a correction to the.	01:13:06
	The the prior report.	01:13:10
	So if.	01:13:13
	If we need to have a discussion about something else.	01:13:15
	That should probably be another item. Yeah, I think I'd recommend approving this and then we'll share the data that I think is	01:13:17
	responsive to the question. Right, right. Move to approve item 8.	01:13:22
	2nd thank you.	01:13:27
	Madam Clerk.	01:13:28
	All in favor.	01:13:30
	Aye.	01:13:31
	All opposed.	01:13:32
	Hearing none, motion passes unanimously.	01:13:33
	Great. Thank you.	01:13:36
	We are now going to move to.	01:13:38
	Our public hearing.	01:13:41
	So this is the Cannabis Development Management compliance Review and finding of exemption from CEQA. Madam Clerk, do we have proof	01:13:45
	of publication?	01:13:49
	As required by law and a complete file to report.	01:13:54
	And exhibit, sorry, of reports and exhibits. Yes, Madam Mayor.	01:13:57
	Great.	01:14:01
	Will staff please present the report?	01:14:02
	Yes, thank you and.	01:14:04
	Charles Peretz, our Deputy City Manager, will be giving the presentation. I just wanted to note.	01:14:06
	Before we.	01:14:11
	Start that that.	01:14:12
	Just as.	01:14:14
	Some background.	01:14:14
	That we have.	01:14:16
	17 current.	01:14:17
	Cannabis.	01:14:20
	Development agreements.	01:14:21
	And that.	01:14:23
	This.	01:14:25
	Per those development agreements, we review those.	01:14:26
	Each of the agreements annually.	01:14:29
	I think.	01:14:32
	Everybody's aware, but with the opening of Ventura and and Oxnard cannabis businesses, there has been an impact on some of our	01:14:33
	local businesses and I think what we're going to see tonight is in particular.	01:14:39
	On primarily on the businesses that had not yet opened.	01:14:44
	That had been.	01:14:49
	Issued development agreements in Port Wayne, ME but hadn't opened yet that we are seeing that some of those businesses have not	01:14:50
	moved forward in that period.	01:14:55
	And so this review is intended to focus on really 5 businesses primarily those ones that either hadn't opened and or there's a	01:14:59
	couple that had opened and have either.	01:15:04
	Closed or indicated that they may be closing so.	01:15:10
	We wanted to review those.	01:15:13
	Five at this time.	01:15:15
	And with that I'll.	01:15:17
	Hand it over to Charles to to.	01:15:18
	Lead that review.	01:15:20
	Thank you. Good evening, Mayor and City Council members of staff.	01:15:24
	Members of the public present.	01:15:27
	As a city manager indicated, this item is a public hearing and tended to allow the council to review and make findings regarding 5	01:15:29
	specific development agreements.	01:15:34
	That are issued in connection with the operation of cannabis.	01:15:39
	Businesses. Umm.	01:15:42
	The City of Port Wayne, ME, as we know, uses development agreements to establish the terms and conditions for development and	01:15:44
	operation of cannabis businesses.	01:15:47
	The agreements require businesses to provide various public benefits, including long term employment opportunities.	01:15:51
	Additional tax revenues.	01:15:57
	Revenues from contractual payments that are percentages of the revenues produced by those businesses.	01:15:59
	And support for community benefits.	01:16:04
	The agreements state that the anticipated receipt of those contractual payments are the primary inducement for the city to enter	01:16:08
	into.	01:16:11
	Agreements.	01:16:15
	Additionally, compliance with payment obligations, financial audits.	01:16:17
	City ordinances, permits and other applicable regulations are considered material terms of these agreements.	01:16:21
	Development agreements include deadlines.	01:16:29
	Usually within a year of approval.	01:16:31
	By which the development must be completed.	01:16:34
	And put into operation.	01:16:37
	Resolution 4401, also known as the implementing resolution.	01:16:39
	Provides for annual agreements by the City Council.	01:16:44
	The resolution requires council to review key terms.	01:16:48
	And ensure compliance with the agreed upon public benefits.	01:16:51
	The agreements contain several conditions under which the Council may determine that a developer is in default of the agreement.	01:16:54
	Some of these.	01:17:01
	Include making a finding.	01:17:02
	Upon substantial evidence that the developer has not.	01:17:03
	Complied with a material requirement of the agreement.	01:17:06
	A violation of the conditional use permit associated with the.	01:17:09
	Activity, yeah.	01:17:12
	Or the termination or diminution of contractual payments.	01:17:13
	So as the city Manager indicated tonight, we're going to be reviewing 5 development agreements. Those five are the agreements with	01:17:20
	the city and Winemie patient consumer Co-op, also known as HPC.	01:17:25
	Port Wayne, ME Organic Team, Inc.	01:17:32
	Red Mule Group, LLC.	01:17:34
	PH Investment Group LLC, also known as Element 7.	01:17:36
	And the fire.	01:17:39
	LLC.	01:17:41
	The development agreement between the City and HPC provides for the operation of a retail dispensary and ancillary.	01:17:44
	Delivery services. The agreement was approved November 2017.	01:17:51
	And the business began operating in April of 2018.	01:17:55
	On July 25th.	01:17:59
	25th of this year.	01:18:00
	The business ceased operating.	01:18:02
	And the developer subsequently advised the city that the closure was permanent.	01:18:04
	With the business no longer operating.	01:18:09
	It is unable to comply with material.	01:18:12
	Requirements and public benefits called for in the agreement, such as providing those.	01:18:14
	Employment opportunities, providing additional revenue from sales taxes and contractual payments and providing.	01:18:18
	Community Benefits.	01:18:23
	The agreement.	01:18:27
	Provides language that the Council may determine that a default has occurred when the developer has not complied in good faith	01:18:27
	with a material term of the agreement.	01:18:31
	Or when the contractual payments.	01:18:35
	Have been terminated or diminished.	01:18:37
	Based on those facts.	01:18:42
	Staff is recommending that upon the basis of substantial evidence, the City Council adopt.	01:18:43
	A resolution that finds the developer out of compliance and in default with the development agreement.	01:18:49
	The resolution would direct staff to provide notice of the city's intent to revoke the agreement and initiate the process to	01:18:53
	revoke and repeal the conditional use permit.	01:18:57
	Mr. Peretz, do we need a motion?	01:19:04
	On one.	01:19:06
	On this item singly, are we going to go through all five? I prefer to go through all 5 and we'll consider the recommendation at	01:19:07
	the conclusion.	01:19:11
	The second development agreement to be reviewed is the agreement between the city and.	01:19:16
	Port Winemie Organic.	01:19:20
	Team Incorporated.	01:19:21
	That agreement provides for the development of a micro business consisting of a retail dispensary with delivery services.	01:19:23
	As well as distribution and cultivation operations.	01:19:28
	The agreement was approved November 2019 and required project completion and commencement of operations within a year.	01:19:32
	In preparation for the Council's October 2023 review of the development agreement.	01:19:39
	The developer provided updated information.	01:19:44
	Which indicated that work to develop the dispensary would commence before the end of 2023.	01:19:47
	And the dispensary would open in early 2024 with cultivation operations.	01:19:52
	To start shortly thereafter.	01:19:57
	During that review, council approved a resolution that provided an extension to the original project deadline.	01:19:59
	And in June 2024, council approved an amendment.	01:20:08
	That provided a new project deadline.	01:20:11
	Of June 30th, 2025.	01:20:13
	That amendment stated that failure to obtain a certificate of occupancy by the June 30.	01:20:16
	2025 date.	01:20:20
	Would result in the nullification of the agreement.	01:20:22
	The development has still not been completed.	01:20:26
	And in June of this year, staff contacted the developer to note the project's inactivity.	01:20:28
	Inquire as to their interest in proceeding with the project.	01:20:33
	And request additional information about project plans.	01:20:36
	That notice also provided them identification that.	01:20:39
	The public hearing on the October 20th this evening.	01:20:41
	Would be used to review their development agreement.	01:20:44
	And there has been no response from the developer to any of these communications.	01:20:47
	Given that the development was never completed, once again, this business is not complying with material terms of the agreement by	01:20:52
	providing employment opportunities, additional revenues.	01:20:55
	Or community benefits.	01:20:59
	And once again.	01:21:02
	That development agreement provides.	01:21:03
	The Council the ability to find that they are in default if they are not meeting the terms, material terms of the agreement.	01:21:05
	Therefore, it is staff's recommendation.	01:21:16
	That upon the basis of substantial evidence, the Council adopt A resolution that finds the developer out of compliance and in	01:21:18
	default of the agreement and provide written notice.	01:21:21
	Of the intent to revoke the agreement if.	01:21:25
	Action to cure is not taken within 30 days.	01:21:27
	The third development agreement to be reviewed is the agreement between the city and Red Mule Group, LLC.	01:21:33
	See, that agreement provides for the development of a micro business.	01:21:37
	Consisting of a retail dispensary with delivery services.	01:21:40
	As well as manufacturing and distribution operations.	01:21:43
	That agreement was approved.	01:21:47
	July 2021.	01:21:48
	That project involved the purchase of city property.	01:21:52
	And require project development to commence within 90 days after permit issuance.	01:21:54
	Permits for interior demolition and electrical work.	01:22:00
	Were issued January 2022 and a permit for the firewall separation.	01:22:03
	Was issued.	01:22:07
	September 2000.	01:22:08
	22.	01:22:09
	In August of 2023, the city advised the developer that it was not complying with the terms of the agreement.	01:22:13
	Shortly thereafter, the developer provided the city with a development schedule.	01:22:19
	Which indicated that they would have a grand opening July 2024.	01:22:23
	In June 2024.	01:22:28
	Council approved an amendment that provided.	01:22:30
	A new project deadline of June 30th, 2025.	01:22:32
	Once again, the amendment stated that failure to obtain a certificate of occupancy by that date.	01:22:35
	Would result in nullification of the agreement.	01:22:40
	In June of this year, staff sent a letter to the developer.	01:22:43
	Noting the project in activity, inquiring as to the developers interest in proceeding with the project.	01:22:46
	And requesting information about project plans.	01:22:50
	And once again advising.	01:22:53
	Of the October 20th public hearing date.	01:22:54
	Because the original letter was returned as undeliverable, the city sent.	01:22:57
	Multiple emails.	01:23:01
	And in response to one of those emails, at the developer's request, sent notification to a second physical.	01:23:02
	Mailing address.	01:23:08
	In August, the developer indicated a desire to move forward with the development, but did not provide any additional information	01:23:12
	about development efforts.	01:23:15
	As the city had requested.	01:23:18
	Developer indicated that they would follow up with the city in mid-september.	01:23:21
	But no subsequent communication.	01:23:24
	Occurred.	01:23:26
	October On October 3rd, the city provided.	01:23:28
	Notice of the public hearing via both.	01:23:31
	And e-mail.	01:23:33
	Once again, no additional communication has occurred.	01:23:35
	And as stated with the earlier example.	01:23:38
	Based on the fact that operations had never begun.	01:23:41
	The city has not been in receipt of any of the material terms.	01:23:44
	That are called for in the agreement.	01:23:47
	Therefore, it's staff's recommendation.	01:23:51
	That the Council adopt A resolution finds the developer out of compliance and in default of the development agreement.	01:23:53
	And issue written notice of same.	01:23:58
	Providing 30 days to cure.	01:24:00
	The 4th Development Agreement subject to review.	01:24:04
	Is that between the city?	01:24:06
	And pH Investment Group LLC, also known as Element 7.	01:24:08
	Which pertains to a retail dispensary with ancillary.	01:24:12
	Delivery services.	01:24:14
	That agreement was approved April 2021.	01:24:16
	And the business commenced operation March 2022.	01:24:18
	Beginning in September of last year, the developer stopped making timely contractual payments equal to 5% of its gross revenues.	01:24:22
	Reminders regarding these overdue payments were communicated on a regular basis.	01:24:28
	The September 2024 payment was made in January, but payments for the months of October 2024.	01:24:33
	Through June of this year.	01:24:38
	Were never received.	01:24:39
	Interestingly.	01:24:41
	Payments for July and August of this year.	01:24:42
	Were provided to the city.	01:24:45
	At present.	01:24:47
	The developer owes the city $50,945.80.	01:24:48
	This slide itemizes those costs.	01:24:54
	Including amounts for the missed contractual payments, late fees.	01:24:56
	Supplemental compliance inspection.	01:25:00
	Financial Audit.	01:25:02
	And the development review fee.	01:25:03
	It should also be noted.	01:25:04
	That while not on this list.	01:25:06
	The invoice for the annual regulatory inspection is being processed and that would be an additional cost that the developer is	01:25:07
	responsible for.	01:25:11
	In June of this year, staff notified of the developer that it was out of compliance, requested payment for the outstanding amount	01:25:19
	due.	01:25:22
	And advise that the development agreement would be reviewed at this October 20th meeting.	01:25:25
	In July, staff visited the store and subsequently made more than a dozen attempts.	01:25:29
	Using voicemail. Using e-mail and phone.	01:25:33
	To facilitate.	01:25:36
	A plan for the developer to get back into compliance.	01:25:37
	Ultimately, the developer missed scheduled meetings and stopped communicating with staff.	01:25:40
	In September, the city formally offered a payment plan and sent communication regarding the scheduling.	01:25:48
	Of the annual regulatory inspection.	01:25:53
	Later in the month, the city was contacted by a third party.	01:25:55
	Who indicated that he was hired to assist the the business with compliance issues.	01:25:58
	The individual inquired whether a regulatory inspection was appropriate.	01:26:03
	Considering the business was not operating.	01:26:06
	This was the first communication the city had received that the business was not operating.	01:26:08
	In early October, the city provided the developer with notice of this public hearing.	01:26:13
	And shortly thereafter, the city received notice.	01:26:17
	That a court appointed receiver.	01:26:19
	Had been assigned to manage the businesses.	01:26:21
	Assets.	01:26:23
	Based on my conversation with the receiver's legal representative earlier today.	01:26:26
	I understand.	01:26:31
	That the receiver is here this evening and intends to speak on this item.	01:26:32
	Further, I understand that the receiver is prepared to make a payment for all outstanding costs.	01:26:36
	Other than the late fees.	01:26:41
	If the City Council were to agree.	01:26:42
	To waive those fees.	01:26:45
	Staff is encouraged and excited to restart communications with this business about how the business, how the developer might get	01:26:49
	back into compliance.	01:26:53
	However, I just wanted to note.	01:26:57
	That the.	01:26:59
	Cities objective is to hold all businesses to the same standard.	01:27:00
	And the late fees are?	01:27:04
	Included as an assessed.	01:27:05
	Penalty.	01:27:07
	For failure to pay within the required time frame.	01:27:08
	And serve as an enforcement mechanism to encourage.	01:27:10
	Timely compliance from all businesses.	01:27:14
	So once again, the recommendation here is to make a finding of default.	01:27:19
	And provide 30 days to cure if the Council.	01:27:24
	Is inclined to.	01:27:28
	Consider options with the receiver here.	01:27:30
	We would be happy to communicate with the receiver.	01:27:33
	See if we can.	01:27:36
	Come to a mutual agreement and return to the Council with a plan that would allow for the curing of the agreement.	01:27:37
	The final agreement subject to review.	01:27:46
	At the hearing, is that between the city and the Fire Garden Group, LLC?	01:27:48
	Which once again is.	01:27:52
	For a retail dispensary with ancillary delivery services.	01:27:54
	That agreement was approved in March 2022.	01:27:57
	And the business open for operation in December of 23.	01:28:00
	In August of last year, the business stopped making contractual payments.	01:28:03
	Which are.	01:28:07
	Equal to 5% of its gross revenues.	01:28:08
	Despite regular reminders about these overdue payments from the city.	01:28:10
	In June of this year, staff notified the developer was out of compliance.	01:28:14
	Requested payment for the outstanding amount.	01:28:17
	And advised that the development agreement would be reviewed tonight.	01:28:20
	On October 20th.	01:28:23
	The total out mounting.	01:28:27
	Outstanding amount.	01:28:28
	From this developer is $56,686.91.	01:28:29
	Once again, this slide provides an itemization of the costs including the missed contractual payments, associated late fees.	01:28:34
	Costs associated with the businesses initial approval process.	01:28:39
	Financial audit and annual review fee.	01:28:42
	In July and August, staff attempted to visit the business.	01:28:47
	On a number of occasions, and it was closed each of those occasions.	01:28:50
	I also used e-mail and telephone to communicate with the developer.	01:28:53
	Staff communicated concerns about.	01:28:57
	The city, the.	01:28:59
	The developers lack of response to city outreach.	01:29:00
	As well as its failure to renew its business license.	01:29:02
	Missing monthly reports that are required to be provided.	01:29:05
	And two concerns regarding the business's hours of operation.	01:29:08
	One being reports that it was open and active after its permitted hours of operation and a second about intermittent or closed	01:29:11
	during regular business hours.	01:29:16
	The developer confirmed that activity had happened after its permitted hours of operation, but assured staff that.	01:29:22
	Action had been taken to ensure that this would not reoccur.	01:29:28
	It also shortly thereafter took action to renew the business license.	01:29:32
	And provide missing monthly reports.	01:29:36
	In September, staff formally offered a payment plan.	01:29:41
	Continue to attempt to visit the business in person.	01:29:44
	And provided notice regarding the annual regulatory inspection.	01:29:47
	The developer has not executed the payment plan.	01:29:51
	The business has continued to remain closed.	01:29:54
	And the annual inspection, which is a requirement of the conditional use permit.	01:29:57
	Was not conducted.	01:30:01
	As the business was closed and.	01:30:02
	No representatives were present at the date and time that was scheduled.	01:30:04
	Earlier this month, staff sent notification about this hearing so the developer would be aware.	01:30:09
	And once again, based on these facts, staff is recommending that council.	01:30:15
	Adopt A resolution finding the developer to be out of compliance and providing.	01:30:18
	Written notice in accordance with that finding.	01:30:22
	In addition to reviewing those agreements, this item provides the opportunity to discuss the city's cap on the number of cannabis	01:30:26
	based businesses in the city.	01:30:30
	When the city's cannabis.	01:30:34
	Program began, the market was still developing and competition was somewhat limited.	01:30:36
	As noted, the city's primary purpose for this program was to enhance the general fund revenues.	01:30:40
	And the city ended up approving, as the city manager referenced earlier, a total of 17 development agreements.	01:30:45
	Based on staff's recent communication with cannabis businesses.	01:30:50
	It is apparent that many are finding the current business environment challenging.	01:30:53
	And much different than when the cities.	01:30:57
	Program began.	01:30:59
	Discussions with these businesses.	01:31:01
	Have included concerns.	01:31:03
	About competition from illegal cannabis sales.	01:31:05
	High state taxes and difficult regulatory requirements.	01:31:08
	Increased competition from adjacent cities.	01:31:11
	And some broader economic challenges.	01:31:13
	As we know, Emerald Perspective closed earlier this year.	01:31:20
	And as we discussed this evening.	01:31:23
	HPC has permanently closed as well.	01:31:25
	Element 7 and Fire Garden are not currently operating.	01:31:28
	And based on my conversations, there are a number of other cannabis businesses that have experienced.	01:31:31
	Operational challenges.	01:31:35
	Section 3987.1 of the Municipal Code sets the cap on the number of businesses that are allowed.	01:31:38
	For quick review, it allows 12 retail dispensaries, 6 delivery only businesses.	01:31:44
	Five cannabis lounges.	01:31:49
	10 manufacturing licenses.	01:31:51
	And eight distribution licenses.	01:31:52
	Given current market conditions, staff is recommending that the Council provide direction to staff to consider the appropriate	01:31:56
	number of businesses.	01:31:59
	That should be allowed to operate in the city.	01:32:02
	And return with a proposed revision to that section of the municipal code.	01:32:04
	As part of the item, we're asking Council to find make a sequel, finding that this action is category.	01:32:11
	Categorically exempt.	01:32:16
	Section 15309.	01:32:18
	Provides that inspections to check for performance of operations.	01:32:20
	Is one of the sequa exemptions.	01:32:23
	In the fiscal impact, so making a finding of default for any or all of these agreements does not have a direct financial impact.	01:32:29
	If any were to eventually be revoked, if they were not cured, it would prevent any of these businesses from providing revenues in	01:32:37
	the future. But right now, none of them are providing revenues to the city.	01:32:42
	Any monies that are owed by businesses that have been opened would be.	01:32:48
	We would continue to pursue.	01:32:52
	The collection of those funds, regardless of any action here this evening.	01:32:54
	And in closing, just a restatement of the recommendation.	01:33:00
	It's to open the public hearing and take testimonial and documentary evidence.	01:33:04
	Close the public hearing and consider the evidence.	01:33:08
	And adopt resolutions determining that the following cannabis businesses are out of compliance and a default of their respective	01:33:11
	development agreements.	01:33:14
	Providing for the revocation of the agreement and initiation of the process to repeal and revoke associated conditional use	01:33:18
	permits if such default is not cured within 30 days.	01:33:22
	HPC.	01:33:28
	Port Windy Organic team.	01:33:29
	PH Investments.	01:33:31
	And fire garden.	01:33:33
	And direct staff to prepare an amendment for future consideration by the City Council to Section 3987.1 of the Port Miami	01:33:35
	Municipal Code.	01:33:38
	To reduce the maximum number of cannabis based.	01:33:42
	Businesses.	01:33:44
	And make a determination that the project.	01:33:45
	Exempt from sequa.	01:33:47
	And take such additional related action that may be desirable.	01:33:48
	I conclude the staff presentation. I'm available for questions.	01:33:53
	Great. Thank you, City Manager.	01:33:56
	Thank you.	01:33:57
	I'll just, I just wanted to.	01:33:58
	To highlight on that last slide, the.	01:34:00
	The uh.	01:34:02
	Reminder that.	01:34:03
	By finding.	01:34:05
	Any business out of compliance.	01:34:07
	They actually do have one more 30 day period to cure.	01:34:10
	So, you know, we had a little bit of a wrinkle today with one of the businesses coming in.	01:34:14
	Today to talk to us but.	01:34:19
	Taking.	01:34:21
	The recommended action doesn't preclude us from.	01:34:22
	Having that conversation and if.	01:34:25
	If we believe that the businesses can cure any of the businesses come forward with the plan to cure the issues, we could bring	01:34:27
	those back to council to to consider.	01:34:32
	But I just wanted to reiterate that even with that wrinkle.	01:34:36
	Our recommendation is to.	01:34:39
	Remains the same to proceed with this plan and then that we would pursue the carrying those within those 30 days.	01:34:42
	So thank you.	01:34:49
	Great, great.	01:34:50
	Are there any?	01:34:52
	Questions for staff. No comments. We'll hold comments and discussion till later.	01:34:53
	Councilmember Perez, yes, thank you. I have a couple of questions. The first one is regarding HPC. Is there Oxnard location open	01:34:58
	and active?	01:35:02
	And taking in revenue?	01:35:07
	To the best of my knowledge.	01:35:09
	It is open, it's the one located near the Esplanade.	01:35:11
	I did not see amounts owing.	01:35:15
	How much they?	01:35:18
	Are in default.	01:35:19
	Is there any way to collect from that?	01:35:20
	Open business.	01:35:23
	What they owe us.	01:35:24
	Yeah, the amount is approximately $13,000 that they owe the city.	01:35:26
	And yes, regardless of any action taken tonight, the city would continue to pursue opportunities to collect from them.	01:35:32
	OK. My second question is how long out of compliance with the state?	01:35:39
	Starts getting involved as it did with Emerald Perspective.	01:35:43
	Well, it's.	01:35:48
	The one distinction just to make on our perspective is that our understanding.	01:35:51
	It was that they were out of compliance with state licensing requirements.	01:35:56
	And so we are not sure we know that these businesses are out of compliance with our development agreements. We don't know that	01:36:00
	they that doesn't necessarily mean they're out of compliance with the state licensing requirements.	01:36:05
	But our understanding was that they had been out of compliance for quite a while because we had heard that.	01:36:11
	The state had some concerns and just for.	01:36:16
	Maybe something people?	01:36:19
	Might not know is that there is some coordination.	01:36:21
	Between the like the city and the state regulations where there's some communication.	01:36:25
	On going back and forth and so we do tend to hear about those things so.	01:36:29
	So I don't think we've heard of any state issues related to any of these businesses. We have not. There are a number of different	01:36:34
	state requirements, one of them through the DCC, I'm sorry, through the.	01:36:40
	CDTFA.	01:36:46
	Is the requirement to pay excise taxes to the state?	01:36:47
	And if they find that a business is in default or not doing that appropriately, they'll revoke the sellers permit. That was the	01:36:50
	case with Emerald Perspective but.	01:36:54
	The city does get notice when that occurs and we have not received such notice for these businesses. OK. And my final question is	01:36:58
	with Element 7.	01:37:02
	I understand there's a receiver.	01:37:06
	But what is the intent of the business? Is it?	01:37:08
	Plan to.	01:37:10
	Take care of its debts and then reopen or just take care of its debt.	01:37:12
	So my recommendation, I believe the receivers here. So my recommendation would be asking.	01:37:16
	Them for their plan. I know we have reached out to get the plan. I don't think we had received one until maybe.	01:37:21
	Before the meeting, so I would suggest letting them.	01:37:26
	Explain it.	01:37:30
	Because I don't think we're prepared to.	01:37:31
	And that is the end of my questions. Thank you.	01:37:33
	Councilman.	01:37:36
	Councilmember Comma.	01:37:37
	So HPC.	01:37:39
	Have we?	01:37:42
	Attempted to collect.	01:37:44
	From the monies that they owe us.	01:37:45
	Attempts have been made, notifications have been provided to the business owners and requests have been made.	01:37:50
	Finance department gets into.	01:37:55
	Multi phased approach 1 is just communicating directly, offering to set up payment plans, requesting payment for outstanding	01:37:59
	monies.	01:38:01
	And after a certain period of time when that is unsuccessful, we transition to actually using a collection agency to try to	01:38:04
	recover those dollars. And are the late payments accruing as more time goes on? Because I noticed that one of them, the late	01:38:10
	payment was more than the initial amount principal owed.	01:38:15
	So is that how it's written?	01:38:21
	It is the late payments accrue.	01:38:24
	Really, the the best thing businesses can do is communicate with the city.	01:38:27
	If they communicate and they start making payments or they enter into a payment plan, the city stops the late payments. But when	01:38:31
	payments are missed and there's no communication with the city?	01:38:35
	Late payments are.	01:38:40
	Are applied for each.	01:38:41
	Month when that payment that's due is not paid.	01:38:44
	Right, so is there.	01:38:46
	A mechanism for the city.	01:38:49
	To negotiate out the late payments, I mean as.	01:38:50
	Because it just seems like we're not going to get paid.	01:38:54
	Unless we.	01:38:57
	Come to the table.	01:38:59
	With Council direction, we.	01:39:00
	Would be able to negotiate the amount of the late payments.	01:39:03
	I believe that's.	01:39:07
	Part of the request that element 7 is going to make.	01:39:08
	Tonight and.	01:39:12
	And the only comment we would have about that is that we.	01:39:14
	We've really put a focus on in the last couple months as we had some staff changes.	01:39:17
	We have.	01:39:21
	Really put a focus on.	01:39:22
	Creating communication with.	01:39:24
	With all of the dispensaries and credit to Charles who I think has actually gone out and met with every single business in the	01:39:25
	last.	01:39:29
	Two to three months.	01:39:33
	And one of the things that we are.	01:39:35
	That we heard loud and clear from the businesses is.	01:39:37
	That the businesses that are doing all those things right and are spending all of those.	01:39:40
	Dollars, you know.	01:39:45
	Paying their taxes, paying their fees.	01:39:46
	They said.	01:39:48
	Make sure everybody's.	01:39:49
	Being held to that standard.	01:39:50
	You know, because.	01:39:52
	But I'm pretty sure that it's a small community and that they know when 1, one's paying their taxes and 1 isn't or one's paying	01:39:53
	their development agreement fees and 1 isn't. So we actually heard loud and clear from some of the businesses who said we know	01:39:59
	we're doing things the right way. Are you holding everybody else to the standards? And so I think there was a little period we had	01:40:04
	some staff transition where.	01:40:09
	Things got.	01:40:15
	Behind.	01:40:16
	You know, over those 6 to 12 months, but.	01:40:17
	We have been meeting with them to get everybody caught back up.	01:40:20
	Like Charles said, our finance department.	01:40:23
	Has gone above and beyond to offer payment plans and meet with people to explain it and walk through it. And there are some	01:40:26
	businesses, businesses who took us up on that and then.	01:40:30
	Actually did get back into full compliance after a couple of, you know, a couple rough months or, or those months we talked about	01:40:35
	where the state had increased the taxes and it caught everybody off guard.	01:40:40
	And now that that's rolled back, some of those businesses are catching back.	01:40:46
	Up but.	01:40:49
	But.	01:40:51
	You know.	01:40:53
	It's. I think that's going to be a request.	01:40:53
	It's something we're willing to have that conversation on, but we just have to.	01:40:56
	Remember that.	01:40:59
	We have 17 businesses to treat.	01:41:00
	Fairly and.	01:41:02
	Equally right, and I'm pretty sure I.	01:41:03
	Know the answer to this question but.	01:41:05
	Each one of these are businesses.	01:41:08
	Understood the late payment.	01:41:10
	Program.	01:41:11
	When they signed the dotted line.	01:41:13
	Yeah, the development agreements.	01:41:15
	Refer to late fees.	01:41:18
	That everybody signed on board.	01:41:20
	You know that that all businesses.	01:41:22
	Signed on to those development.	01:41:25
	Right, it was clear.	01:41:26
	On the late payments.	01:41:29
	OK, so.	01:41:33
	Maybe it wasn't.	01:41:35
	It's it's in the.	01:41:36
	Agreement. I guess if you're asking if everybody understood what they signed, I can't.	01:41:38
	Question.	01:41:42
	OK.	01:41:44
	Great. Thank you, Councilmember Hernandez.	01:41:47
	So do we.	01:41:50
	Do we know if?	01:41:52
	Each of these businesses actually own the property that they are.	01:41:53
	That they are in right now.	01:41:59
	Or they leasing properties or?	01:42:00
	For instance, Red Mule, I mean they bought that building. Yes, I was.	01:42:04
	I was going to say we so we would have records.	01:42:08
	On each of those so we could answer those I think.	01:42:10
	I don't think we.	01:42:13
	Identified that in tonight's.	01:42:14
	Meeting so we would have to.	01:42:16
	Bring that information back, but red Mule.	01:42:18
	Bought the property from us so they do own their property.	01:42:20
	I'm looking at the others, none of the others jump out, just as an example if they can't.	01:42:24
	Cure their debt within 30 days. What happens I do? Can we?	01:42:30
	Well, Red Mule is a little How do we? How do we?	01:42:36
	Recoup our.	01:42:38
	Our costs? Do we go after the property? Do we?	01:42:39
	What do we do? So just a couple of.	01:42:43
	Maybe distinctions is that there are a couple these businesses that are being considered tonight that actually don't owe.	01:42:47
	Any money South?	01:42:52
	A red mule.	01:42:54
	As the example, they just aren't in compliance because they are making no progress to getting open. And yeah, you all may may	01:42:55
	remember that we actually had this conversation I think two years ago and we decided to give them one more chance. So.	01:43:02
	So for them, you know what they'd have to do to get into compliance and cure within 30 days is they would need to open their or	01:43:09
	open their micro business in the next 30 days.	01:43:14
	Which is, or at least make, you know, make significant progress towards it.	01:43:19
	The I think it's three of them, so that's two of them that.	01:43:23
	Do not.	01:43:27
	Dollars, that's not their issue.	01:43:28
	So the three that do.	01:43:30
	I think we have a couple of steps, but you know, collections and a couple of things, but at the end of the day.	01:43:33
	If they don't.	01:43:40
	On their property.	01:43:41
	It may be.	01:43:42
	And if they've closed down, it may be difficult to collect, but we are going to.	01:43:44
	To do our best to do what we can. And then my last question, if I don't see the number of the breakdown of the number of.	01:43:47
	Businesses. Cannabis businesses allowed.	01:43:56
	Under our ordinance, can you just rattle those off again, please?	01:43:59
	Sure.	01:44:02
	The municipal code allows for 12.	01:44:03
	Retail.	01:44:05
	Cannabis dispensaries.	01:44:06
	OK. Six delivery only businesses.	01:44:07
	Five cannabis lounges.	01:44:12
	10 manufacturing licenses.	01:44:17
	And eight distribution licenses.	01:44:19
	OK.	01:44:21
	Thank you.	01:44:24
	OK, that's it. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem.	01:44:27
	Yes, so.	01:44:30
	Specifically talking about.	01:44:32
	HPC fire Garden.	01:44:34
	Since they got so far behind.	01:44:38
	What? What process do we have in place once they pass 30 days?	01:44:41
	60 days.	01:44:48
	You know they.	01:44:50
	You should.	01:44:51
	This should have been brought up to the Council, not.	01:44:52
	Four or five, six months left down the road, right.	01:44:54
	So what process do we have that?	01:44:57
	That's our trigger.	01:44:59
	To start the 30 day.	01:45:03
	Do we have one?	01:45:05
	We we do have a process, I think.	01:45:07
	What I would say is we moved the.	01:45:10
	Cannabis program into the city manager's office July 1st and immediately it became apparent that.	01:45:14
	Several of these had been several months behind.	01:45:21
	And uh.	01:45:24
	I think the.	01:45:25
	Really it just boils down to.	01:45:26
	This is the first time we're really having this conversation about.	01:45:28
	Actually. Like really?	01:45:31
	Enforcing the compliant the development agreements.	01:45:33
	And I think that that.	01:45:36
	Those 2GO together. The reason we're having this conversation is because.	01:45:37
	We.	01:45:40
	As we moved into the city manager's office.	01:45:41
	We started to review and we saw that they.	01:45:43
	They were.	01:45:46
	Several months behind that.	01:45:47
	You know, we tend to get the response of like.	01:45:49
	You know, from businesses saying like, yeah, we'll, we'll get back on track or we'll get back to you, but you can't let that go	01:45:52
	forever. And then like I said earlier, and then we met with.	01:45:56
	The businesses and one of the biggest things we heard was hold everybody to the same rules and enforce.	01:46:01
	The requirements that we're having to meet, so.	01:46:06
	That led to.	01:46:09
	Why we?	01:46:11
	Put this on the agenda and why we brought it forward so. But we do have internal processes I think.	01:46:12
	We have our finance department flags.	01:46:19
	When businesses are falling out of compliance, I think the missing piece was then.	01:46:22
	Now it's going to be the city manager's office then saying, OK, they're too far out of compliance, we need to bring it forward. It	01:46:25
	does take some time just to make the point of like, and I think the council's aware I had.	01:46:31
	Flagged this.	01:46:36
	Saying this would be coming to a council meeting probably two months ago, but then it there's a public hearing notice.	01:46:37
	A requirement and then.	01:46:44
	We have to get it scheduled on the agenda so.	01:46:45
	It does take a couple months so.	01:46:47
	I wouldn't be surprised, you know, if we flag it when people fall a month or two behind.	01:46:49
	We're probably going to be talking about it.	01:46:54
	Potentially when they're.	01:46:56
	Three or four months.	01:46:57
	Behind but but.	01:46:58
	But we're going to be more on top of it.	01:46:59
	We have been in the past.	01:47:01
	Now, emerald perspective, did we recoup?	01:47:03
	Any money that was due.	01:47:06
	We did receive a payment.	01:47:10
	From them.	01:47:12
	Before.	01:47:14
	The business completely went.	01:47:15
	Under.	01:47:17
	And we did file a claim with the state as the state had.	01:47:18
	Seized their their property and their assets.	01:47:23
	We have not received a response from the state.	01:47:27
	In regards to that claim as of yet.	01:47:30
	And the Finance department is continuing to make efforts to use collection methods to collect any money but just that initial	01:47:33
	payment.	01:47:37
	Before the business completely closed is what we recovered.	01:47:42
	OK, so if let's say our memorable perspective and.	01:47:45
	I know I'm going to be going out of business.	01:47:50
	What's the process, What's the mechanism to get out of that agreement?	01:47:53
	Is there? Do we have one?	01:47:58
	Is the question like if they wanted to stay open and?	01:48:02
	We're I'm quitting business because I'm just not.	01:48:06
	And I need to.	01:48:11
	Cease operations.	01:48:13
	What's step one? Do we have this?	01:48:15
	Because this seems like.	01:48:17
	They they were asking them that you they're not in compliance.	01:48:18
	But they're going out of business, so they're not going to.	01:48:23
	They're not going to get in compliance because.	01:48:25
	They're exiting the door, right?	01:48:28
	So.	01:48:31
	Does our ordinance.	01:48:32
	State how to get out of this agreement.	01:48:33
	It doesn't.	01:48:36
	State how to get out of it.	01:48:38
	But.	01:48:40
	The the process is what Emerald Perspective ended up doing after.	01:48:42
	You know, I'm sure council members, but maybe not everybody watching, but the Emerald perspective came to a couple meetings and	01:48:46
	said give us a chance to get back into compliance and then ultimately after two or three.	01:48:51
	Attempts and I think we had given them like one last chance.	01:48:57
	They essentially sent us a notice that.	01:49:01
	You know we're closing.	01:49:03
	We aren't going to continue and we aren't going to pursue this agreement any further. So any.	01:49:05
	Business could send us that.	01:49:11
	And essentially, we would know.	01:49:12
	You know that the agreement is coming to an end and.	01:49:14
	Basically, agendize it to come to council to accept the termination of that development agreement.	01:49:18
	So that that would be.	01:49:23
	The process I think.	01:49:25
	The challenge?	01:49:26
	For us has been more that most businesses are saying.	01:49:27
	You know we're.	01:49:30
	Trying and.	01:49:31
	Give us some more time to keep trying. Or can you, you know, hold off?	01:49:32
	On these requirements for a couple more months, that's really been the challenge that we're now trying to make sure everybody	01:49:36
	understands that we need to hold everybody to the agreements.	01:49:41
	So when when was the city in?	01:49:46
	Warmed that.	01:49:48
	Element 7.	01:49:50
	Went into a receivership.	01:49:52
	Beginning of October.	01:49:56
	Do we have a reason why?	01:49:58
	We received notice that court documents indicated that a receiver had been appointed. We did not.	01:50:02
	Receive additional information. I'll turn to the city attorney. I know she communicated with the legal representative for the	01:50:07
	receiver. Perhaps she has more information.	01:50:10
	No, we were not provided the information of what prompted.	01:50:13
	The appointment of a receiver.	01:50:17
	Just that a receiver wasn't.	01:50:19
	Was appointed. We received a copy of the order.	01:50:21
	Of receivership.	01:50:24
	Have had some communications.	01:50:25
	With their attorney.	01:50:27
	Certainly because the city was not a party.	01:50:29
	To that lawsuit, umm.	01:50:32
	It's based in Santa Monica, which I thought was kind of interesting.	01:50:35
	We're not bound.	01:50:39
	By that receivership order.	01:50:41
	Nor does it have any.	01:50:43
	Really any effect?	01:50:45
	On the city.	01:50:47
	And since.	01:50:50
	So we.	01:50:52
	Technically have 12 of the 17.	01:50:52
	Dispensaries in compliance.	01:50:55
	I would say.	01:50:59
	That.	01:51:01
	We strategically.	01:51:02
	Sort of tried to group them with.	01:51:05
	The five that we think are pretty clearly out of compliance so we could have this conversation.	01:51:08
	We're planning to bring back.	01:51:13
	The ones that are generally in compliance and there's there's probably a group of them that are generally in compliance when I say	01:51:15
	generally that.	01:51:19
	That means.	01:51:24
	In compliance with, you know, most of the terms of the agreement, but there might be one or two things that they're.	01:51:26
	Out of compliance on and.	01:51:32
	That those are we're going to bring those back for a conversation and then we have a group that are fully in compliance and it's	01:51:34
	it's.	01:51:38
	Pretty much.	01:51:42
	Probably in those thirds it's probably like 5-5 and five.	01:51:43
	But the other?	01:51:47
	These are the ones that have fallen significantly behind and haven't come back to work with us on like a payment plan or you know,	01:51:49
	and actually sit down and work it out and start making payments on it.	01:51:55
	So these are the five that.	01:52:01
	Have not even.	01:52:03
	Have not met that.	01:52:05
	And that was it.	01:52:10
	Yeah, just one question, City Manager, you said 555, so we actually have 15.	01:52:12
	I was just giving a rough approximation. How many do we have?	01:52:16
	So we had 17 emerald perspective.	01:52:21
	Now technically, you know the development agreement is.	01:52:24
	Is cancelled, so we now have 16.	01:52:29
	And so.	01:52:32
	And then this is.	01:52:34
	Five of those 16.	01:52:35
	Can I have one more question?	01:52:38
	So.	01:52:40
	When we feel that.	01:52:41
	You know that. Say they're at.	01:52:44
	Day 60 and we're waiting to get in council.	01:52:45
	Why can't we?	01:52:49
	Amend our ordinance.	01:52:52
	So that the city manager has the authority to start.	01:52:54
	The revocation of.	01:52:58
	The agreement.	01:53:01
	And then?	01:53:02
	Then it can come to council.	01:53:04
	The simple answer and I've.	01:53:06
	I've been asked a few questions that sort of tie back to this question of.	01:53:10
	You know, can we change the agreements?	01:53:15
	You know, and the simple answer.	01:53:18
	Is we technically could, but because there's 17 or 16 of them.	01:53:20
	And there's not really.	01:53:26
	Much incentive to the businesses to renegotiate their.	01:53:28
	Deal with us right now.	01:53:32
	That hasn't been an approach.	01:53:34
	We've attempted.	01:53:35
	My guess is, I mean even just, you know, getting some to respond for the review is difficult enough. So I guess and actually I	01:53:37
	could say this factually is we had done some adjustments to the development agreements to try to reduce their fees about 18 months	01:53:43
	ago and some of the businesses still haven't.	01:53:48
	Returned those.	01:53:53
	Agreements, which is actually like, hey, sign here and you'll save money and some still haven't done that.	01:53:55
	So so.	01:54:00
	You know, it's in a perfect world, I think.	01:54:02
	It's one of those things where timing is important and I think when.	01:54:05
	Cannabis businesses were really doing well and there was really a big incentive and Winnie B was the only city in town or, you	01:54:08
	know, city in the county and they really wanted to.	01:54:12
	To focus on Waitemi, we probably could have renegotiated.	01:54:15
	These agreements, but.	01:54:19
	We're just at a point where.	01:54:21
	It it doesn't seem.	01:54:23
	Very feasible.	01:54:25
	But I think what we're looking to do is be more.	01:54:27
	On top of not letting them fall 5 or 6 months.	01:54:31
	Behind and I think that that solves.	01:54:34
	A lot of the issues we're talking about.	01:54:37
	Great. Any other questions?	01:54:41
	One follow up.	01:54:42
	Safe to say that we have 3.	01:54:45
	Dispensaries that are.	01:54:48
	Mostly compliant and not.	01:54:50
	In default on payments to the city.	01:54:53
	I think we have a.	01:54:58
	Few more than that.	01:54:59
	I think we have.	01:55:00
	I was talking dispensaries, but so the.	01:55:02
	The delivery services is something that we never.	01:55:05
	Hear about.	01:55:08
	And I'd be interested to understand like.	01:55:10
	What's the breakdown?	01:55:13
	Delivery versus dispensary and clearly the manufacturing is.	01:55:15
	Never turned.	01:55:20
	A sale, therefore there's no money owed to the city.	01:55:21
	Yeah, the manufacturing and cultivation really haven't.	01:55:24
	Done much, I would say.	01:55:28
	I think if.	01:55:29
	So we said these are the five that are.	01:55:30
	Really.	01:55:32
	Like almost completely out of compliance I would say the other.	01:55:33
	What does that leave 11?	01:55:36
	Or at least generally.	01:55:38
	If not.	01:55:40
	Completely in compliance.	01:55:41
	Right. And then.	01:55:42
	Good to great. What I'm trying to understand is.	01:55:43
	Of those 11, how many are dispensaries?	01:55:46
	And I forgot the name of the dispensary on bulker.	01:55:50
	Which was?	01:55:52
	Cultivation and we shouldn't necessarily talk about specific dispensaries tonight, but there is one on Volcker that has.	01:55:53
	Cultivation and the only issue.	01:56:03
	Well, OK. Yeah, we're off topic. We have a total of five delivery businesses, if that helps answer your question. And the	01:56:06
	remaining businesses that were not discussed tonight will be presented at a future council meeting to City Council, right. And any	01:56:12
	business that wasn't in business and didn't generate any sales wouldn't have any.	01:56:17
	Obligation to pay us any money, therefore.	01:56:23
	Yep, not a part of this.	01:56:26
	Yeah, OK. The.	01:56:27
	Two of those businesses that never opened, never generated any money are being proposed. The are part of this tonight.	01:56:30
	Right, correct.	01:56:35
	Great. Thank you.	01:56:37
	So we've concluded our questions. So we're now going to.	01:56:38
	I open the public hearing for public input. The time is now 826. Are there any public comments regarding this item?	01:56:43
	Yes, we have one public comment from Mr. Kevin Singer.	01:56:50
	Good evening, City Council and city attorneys.	01:56:58
	I'm Kevin Singer. I'm the.	01:57:02
	Court appointed receiver and I work for Judge Mark Younger at a Santa Monica court.	01:57:04
	I'm gonna reply to you guys briefly.	01:57:11
	But I'm going to answer your questions too. I jotted them down as.	01:57:14
	As I was sitting here listening in.	01:57:17
	The reason why this was filed out of Santa Monica was because.	01:57:20
	This involves.	01:57:24
	7.	01:57:25
	Dispensaries for element 7, not just the one import.	01:57:26
	Unimi, but also other ones all throughout the state of California.	01:57:30
	So that that was the venue that was used for it to answer that question.	01:57:35
	My my main responsibility.	01:57:40
	As I was appointed to run and operate.	01:57:43
	PH investments or element 7.	01:57:46
	Who's located at 455 W Channel Island Blvd.	01:57:49
	And the reason why I was appointed is because there was a.	01:57:54
	A senior secure creditor who wasn't being paid.	01:57:58
	And So what they did is they went to the courts and said, hey.	01:58:02
	We're not being paid so.	01:58:05
	Can we have a court appointed receiver put in charge of all their businesses?	01:58:07
	To try to salvage them, run operate them.	01:58:11
	And hopefully sell them to help pay them and pay other creditors.	01:58:15
	And uh.	01:58:19
	Pay the city's taxes as well.	01:58:20
	So the the goal of my receivership is to run and operate these businesses. So taxes and creditors.	01:58:25
	And investors can be paid.	01:58:33
	And like I said, most importantly is the city, which needs to be paid as well.	01:58:35
	I just.	01:58:41
	Over the last 15 years, I've run an operator over 35 of these businesses.	01:58:42
	I've run and operated over.	01:58:48
	50 retail operations so I'm.	01:58:50
	I'm very familiar with these businesses.	01:58:53
	And everything the city attorney said about them being overly challenged these days.	01:58:56
	Is completely true.	01:59:01
	For all the reasons they mentioned.	01:59:03
	It's not. It's not the business it once was.	01:59:05
	Umm.	01:59:09
	But the one thing I want to say is about this location there.	01:59:14
	Is that it is a good location and I think it is a viable business and I think it can make it.	01:59:17
	With the right management in place.	01:59:23
	The reason why I came tonight was asked the.	01:59:26
	Council not to put this location in default or revocation.	01:59:29
	And give us 30 days to bring the taxes current.	01:59:33
	But after listening.	01:59:37
	I I guess we're going to have time anyways.	01:59:40
	That I learned tonight to pay these taxes and everything.	01:59:42
	So that we can do that, which I sincerely appreciate.	01:59:46
	Thank you very much. Certainly it would help us tremendously.	01:59:49
	If the late fees, which are almost as much as the.	01:59:54
	The fees that are due.	01:59:59
	Could be.	02:00:00
	You know, eliminated.	02:00:02
	I mean, we're currently talking with your finance department.	02:00:05
	I already have a commitment from the senior secured to pay.	02:00:08
	The actual taxes which is about $27,000.	02:00:11
	I haven't gotten the late fees out of them yet, but it would help us tremendously.	02:00:16
	But that's obviously something you need to decide as a City Council.	02:00:21
	Great.	02:00:25
	Yeah. Do we, can we hear a few? Yeah, I would, I would suggest since he's representing one of the the parties that he go right	02:00:27
	ahead.	02:00:31
	Great. I mean that those are the main thing that I got up here say.	02:00:35
	I stand ready to answer any questions you might have either about this specific business.	02:00:38
	Or or about the cannabis industry in general.	02:00:44
	Our main goal for this location is to get it back reopened again as quickly as possible.	02:00:48
	And then get it operating.	02:00:55
	And then find new ownership.	02:00:57
	To come in and.	02:00:59
	And take over and run and operate it.	02:01:01
	Our senior secured as a company called NUG.	02:01:04
	Which is.	02:01:07
	A very large.	02:01:09
	Cannabis company throughout the state of California.	02:01:10
	That I don't think they're going to see their.	02:01:13
	Their money paid back.	02:01:16
	So they're very interested in potentially taking over this location and running and operating it so.	02:01:17
	That's most likely the direction we'll go as this moves forward.	02:01:24
	I think it would be a great operator.	02:01:27
	Very stable, very compliant.	02:01:30
	And a good person to have in this community.	02:01:33
	OK, that's it. Great to answer any other questions.	02:01:36
	I'm, I'm not sure we want to take this as the public comment section of we're going to come back to a discussion. Are you going to	02:01:40
	be here?	02:01:43
	If you'd like me to, I'd be happy. Can you just, can you just wait? Do we have any other public comments?	02:01:47
	No other public comments? Well, there you go.	02:01:52
	Any questions, Mayor Pro Tem?	02:01:56
	Yeah, so.	02:01:58
	So.	02:02:01
	City.	02:02:02
	Assistant City Manager, You said that they paid July, August.	02:02:04
	Taxes are.	02:02:08
	To the general fund, correct?	02:02:10
	So September what?	02:02:12
	Was whether they compliant.	02:02:13
	The month of September they were not operating.	02:02:16
	OK, so is the goal.	02:02:18
	Of element 7 to.	02:02:21
	Is like a venture capitalist you.	02:02:23
	Get the business.	02:02:25
	Groomed to sell.	02:02:26
	The primary goal, yes, yes, I mean that's we're going to get it reopened again. That's the goal.	02:02:28
	Obviously.	02:02:34
	I think Nug is very interested in coming in and running and operating this.	02:02:36
	You know, but.	02:02:41
	They want to be reassured that it's, you know, not, not going to be shut down if they're going to invest money, pay taxes, things	02:02:42
	like that.	02:02:46
	That the intention is not to.	02:02:49
	To close down the business and I'm not asking the city to.	02:02:52
	Give a response to that.	02:02:55
	But based on my experience, I think it's a viable.	02:02:57
	Location, I think it could be a good business there.	02:03:01
	And that's the direction we're going to go.	02:03:04
	Have any other questions, attorney?	02:03:07
	You have anything?	02:03:08
	The only.	02:03:09
	Comment I have is with respect to a new operator.	02:03:10
	Wouldn't that operator need to be approved by both the state and the city?	02:03:15
	And I don't think that that has happened yet.	02:03:20
	And also in connection with a potential sale.	02:03:23
	That would have to be approved by judge.	02:03:27
	Is my.	02:03:29
	Understanding of the process and that hasn't happened yet.	02:03:30
	Is that correct? Yeah, that that's correct. All those things need to happen.	02:03:34
	Including.	02:03:39
	Yes.	02:03:40
	Well, first we need to get.	02:03:43
	Straightened out with the city, we need to get on good terms.	02:03:45
	With with the city and everything.	02:03:48
	We need to work towards reopening this location and know that.	02:03:50
	That that's going to be a.	02:03:53
	Viable path forward.	02:03:55
	And then the next step is we'd bring it in for a court approval.	02:03:57
	With the court to approve it.	02:04:00
	And then the next step would probably be we'd, we'd probably what we can, we can do it now, we'd probably enter into some type of	02:04:02
	management service agreement.	02:04:06
	So they're not owners of it.	02:04:10
	But they're running and operating the business under the.	02:04:12
	The receivership as a manager of the business, even though the receiver still overseeing it.	02:04:15
	Making sure they're making payments, making sure they're doing everything legal.	02:04:21
	And then the court approves it.	02:04:25
	And then it comes to the city.	02:04:26
	And the city has to interview them and decide.	02:04:29
	If they're going to allow them to become owners of the business.	02:04:31
	And then the next step is we have to take it to the state.	02:04:36
	And we have to get the state.	02:04:39
	To issue them new licenses.	02:04:41
	If the city is willing.	02:04:43
	To take them on as owners.	02:04:46
	So there's a lot of steps. Excuse me, My understanding is that the state has authorized you to be the operator, not somebody else.	02:04:48
	Is that correct?	02:04:52
	Operator overseer of the business.	02:04:58
	It doesn't preclude me.	02:05:01
	From hiring management companies to come in and manage and operating it.	02:05:02
	And that's what they be. The role would be management.	02:05:06
	Do you have any other questions, Mayor Projek?	02:05:10
	Did you have something? Yes, just.	02:05:12
	We we aren't doing this yet, but.	02:05:17
	But just.	02:05:20
	I was gonna just note.	02:05:22
	Typically when we do these reviews.	02:05:24
	If I would always advise.	02:05:27
	You know, it starts to maybe turn into a compromise.	02:05:29
	A negotiation on the dais, which is always challenging, so I'll just note that.	02:05:33
	Yeah, yeah. And our city attorney just said do not do that. So, but I'll just note that.	02:05:39
	Again with that 30 day period that.	02:05:45
	What we can commit to do, if the council agrees, is that we will have our team connect with Mr. Singer, which I do appreciate you	02:05:49
	coming out and representing, so we can have our team connect and.	02:05:55
	Put together.	02:06:02
	Something that can be presented to the Council to consider within that period.	02:06:03
	Great. Thank you.	02:06:07
	You have any questions, are you?	02:06:09
	Prepared to.	02:06:11
	Pay the principal balance.	02:06:13
	That's what's been indicated to me today, that they had meetings with the senior secured and they.	02:06:17
	They have indicated that they're willing to advance that money to the receivership estate to pay the.	02:06:22
	The principle.	02:06:29
	So the answer is yes.	02:06:30
	Thank you.	02:06:31
	Right. Any question?	02:06:34
	Have any questions?	02:06:35
	OK, so.	02:06:37
	So if there are no other.	02:06:39
	Public comments. We're going to close the public hearing.	02:06:42
	And the time is now 836.	02:06:47
	So we have the recommendation before us, Deputy city manager.	02:06:51
	Do I need to read this over or council members you see the recommendations? I'm sure you've reviewed the recommendations.	02:06:57
	May I have a motion?	02:07:05
	And a second.	02:07:07
	Right. So these are the recommendations of staff.	02:07:12
	So moved.	02:07:16
	2nd.	02:07:19
	And Mayor, if we can just note.	02:07:22
	Oh, go ahead.	02:07:24
	With within that I assume there's direction for staff to.	02:07:25
	Reach out to Mr. Singer. Yes.	02:07:29
	And that.	02:07:31
	And and of voting in the affirmative is to.	02:07:32
	Move all items into default allowing for the 30 day.	02:07:36
	Right. Everybody got that.	02:07:41
	OK. Any other discussion comments?	02:07:42
	Madam Clerk.	02:07:45
	Councilmember Gama.	02:07:47
	Yes.	02:07:51
	Councilmember Hernandez, Yes.	02:07:52
	Councilmember Perez, Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Lopez, Yes. And Mayor McQueen Lucian.	02:07:53
	Yes, motion passes unanimously.	02:07:57
	Great.	02:08:00
	Thank you for your report.	02:08:01
	OK, we're going to move on to item number 10. Introduce ordinance to adopt 2025 edition of the California Building Standards.	02:08:04
	Code Madam Clerk, do you have proof of publication as required by law and a complete files?	02:08:13
	Complete file of reports and exhibits. Yes, Madam Mayor.	02:08:20
	Great.	02:08:23
	Will staff present the report?	02:08:24
	Yes, thank you and I'm gonna.	02:08:27
	Handed over. We do our building code updates every three years and I'm going to.	02:08:29
	Introduce our building official Tom Jews we act who.	02:08:35
	Go through this process leads us through these processes and He's here to give.	02:08:39
	A little bit of information on.	02:08:44
	This year's building code update.	02:08:45
	Thank you.	02:08:49
	This is a little DRY, just to be honest. All right?	02:08:52
	Thank you for having me in here tonight.	02:08:55
	Before you is the introduction of the ordinance.	02:08:56
	For the adoption of the Building Code Standards code.	02:08:59
	With the city's local amendments.	02:09:02
	Every three years we have to adopt the code.	02:09:04
	They are reissued by the state.	02:09:07
	And in those codes we have.	02:09:09
	Adopted.	02:09:13
	Local.	02:09:14
	Amendments.	02:09:15
	And for those amendments to carry through, we need to read adopt them every three years with the code.	02:09:16
	This year is a little bit.	02:09:24
	Fun.	02:09:26
	The state has a has.	02:09:28
	Approved Assembly Bill 1:30.	02:09:31
	Which?	02:09:34
	Restricts the.	02:09:35
	Excuse me? Prohibits.	02:09:37
	The cities from considering improving or adopting any proposed.	02:09:38
	Building standards affecting residential units.	02:09:42
	Unless certain conditions are met.	02:09:47
	This effectively says that the cities cannot.	02:09:50
	Adopt any.	02:09:55
	Amendments.	02:09:59
	To the building code that would affect.	02:10:01
	Residential units.	02:10:05
	Between.	02:10:07
	October 1st.	02:10:08
	2025.	02:10:09
	And June 1st.	02:10:11
	2031.	02:10:13
	With that said.	02:10:16
	We are carrying forward all of the amendments from the previous code cycle.	02:10:18
	There is one.	02:10:23
	Change that was amended.	02:10:25
	To the ordinance and the staff report.	02:10:27
	Earlier.	02:10:30
	And that is to add.	02:10:31
	Appendix G of the building code.	02:10:33
	And what this is, is for the floodplain construction.	02:10:36
	And to allow.	02:10:40
	The building code to align with.	02:10:41
	The requirements of.	02:10:44
	The floodplain management program.	02:10:47
	With that we have.	02:10:52
	The other.	02:10:55
	Amendments that we're carrying forward are.	02:10:55
	Pool fencing.	02:10:58
	Foundation in grading improvement requirements.	02:11:00
	Because we have expansive soils.	02:11:03
	Pool design requirements.	02:11:07
	We are adopting the International Property Maintenance code again.	02:11:09
	That is.	02:11:12
	To help us with the code enforcement.	02:11:13
	And then post disaster safety assessment placards.	02:11:16
	So I'll have if you have any questions, I'm available.	02:11:22
	Are there any questions?	02:11:25
	Any questions at all?	02:11:28
	Did you mention Appendix G?	02:11:29
	Yes, OK.	02:11:32
	I missed it looking for that.	02:11:33
	In the report I couldn't find it.	02:11:36
	The update was.	02:11:41
	Issued this morning.	02:11:42
	Yes. So we issued the update.	02:11:43
	This morning that included Appendix G to maintain floodplain map consistency, correct?	02:11:45
	OK, great, great.	02:11:52
	Go right.	02:11:54
	Does the building code regulate signage?	02:11:55
	Or is that somewhere else in our ordinance?	02:11:59
	According to like a size of signs, placement of signs.	02:12:03
	No, that would actually be in the planning code.	02:12:07
	Senator, City code.	02:12:10
	Thank you.	02:12:11
	So for.	02:12:13
	For development for mixed.	02:12:14
	Use like residential, commercial.	02:12:18
	Is there any?	02:12:21
	Thing that the city can enforce.	02:12:23
	Oh, we zoning?	02:12:27
	We we enforce the minimum building code still.	02:12:29
	So the minimum code still applies.	02:12:32
	We can't just go.	02:12:34
	Above.	02:12:37
	Any of the minimum code that we haven't previously adopted.	02:12:38
	And all of our amendments.	02:12:43
	Also have to be.	02:12:46
	Backed by.	02:12:48
	Findings.	02:12:54
	That are either.	02:12:55
	Climactic, topographical, or geological?	02:12:57
	In in nature.	02:13:01
	That allows us to find a reason.	02:13:03
	That we can impose that within the city.	02:13:05
	Is there any?	02:13:09
	You know, has been.	02:13:10
	Any city.	02:13:11
	In California, that is challenging this ruling.	02:13:12
	I'm not aware of that.	02:13:17
	OK, yeah, that's all I got.	02:13:18
	In the past.	02:13:20
	And Tom?	02:13:22
	Tom has been building official and uh.	02:13:24
	A lot of cities in the county and so in the past, some of the cities in our county.	02:13:26
	When the.	02:13:31
	Fire like updated fire maps and updated fire standards come out.	02:13:33
	Those.	02:13:36
	Become.	02:13:38
	Additional building code requirements that.	02:13:39
	That cities will argue about and so.	02:13:42
	So there has been times in the past, but this year with that new state law that basically says we can't do much, we haven't heard	02:13:46
	about anybody really trying that this this cycle.	02:13:50
	But it is a good thing that.	02:13:56
	It's dry this year.	02:13:57
	All right, Well, that.	02:13:59
	Our update is dry, not the weather.	02:14:00
	Because it means that we don't have those kinds of problems, right? Added on SO.	02:14:03
	But.	02:14:09
	To tag on what James is saying.	02:14:11
	In the next meeting.	02:14:14
	Next meeting with Dave, was that sorry?	02:14:16
	November 17th, yeah.	02:14:19
	On the November 17th, we're going to bring this back.	02:14:21
	And have a second public hearing.	02:14:24
	For or, that's a recommendation.	02:14:27
	To reintroduce this, but along with that, we're going to parallel that with.	02:14:31
	The fire code.	02:14:37
	Which we use Ventura County Fire Protection District.	02:14:39
	And so they enforce the fire code for us.	02:14:43
	And so.	02:14:45
	There are amendments to their code that we have to accept.	02:14:47
	And so that comes.	02:14:52
	That'll be agendized on the November 17th.	02:14:53
	Meeting as a resolution.	02:14:59
	To adopt their amendment.	02:15:01
	To specific portions of their amendments, there's only certain things that we can.	02:15:04
	Except great. Are there any other questions?	02:15:09
	Yeah, I'm trying to. I'm looking at.	02:15:12
	Assembly Bill 130 has to.	02:15:14
	What the significance is of it? It's just a bunch of.	02:15:16
	Is there anything that stands out that we should be aware of?	02:15:19
	There's a lot in that.	02:15:22
	It is a very, very.	02:15:24
	Large and.	02:15:26
	Detailed.	02:15:28
	A lot of it has to do with.	02:15:30
	It's all about housing.	02:15:31
	And So what I look at.	02:15:32
	Pull everything out is about the building code.	02:15:36
	And this is the biggest.	02:15:38
	Impact on the building code for the next six years.	02:15:41
	Which means the next two code cycles.	02:15:43
	The cities cannot.	02:15:47
	Amend the code.	02:15:48
	Unless there's specific reasons.	02:15:50
	For emergency ordinance.	02:15:53
	Yeah.	02:15:57
	OK. The public hearing is now open for public input and the time is 8:45.	02:15:59
	Are there any public comments regarding this item?	02:16:04
	No public comments.	02:16:07
	OK, we'll close the.	02:16:09
	Public hearing.	02:16:11
	Is still 845.	02:16:13
	And so we have before us.	02:16:15
	Three items, three recommendations introduced the first reading by title only and waive further reading of the ordinance and title	02:16:22
	and ordinance of the City Council.	02:16:26
	Of the city of Port Winemie, California, meaning.	02:16:31
	8 Building regulations of the Port Winding Municipal Code incorporating.	02:16:34
	The California Building Standard code.	02:16:38
	By reference as follows.	02:16:41
	One California building code and appendices C.	02:16:44
	GI and J.	02:16:47
	California residential building code.	02:16:50
	With appendix BF.	02:16:52
	And California Green building standard code.	02:16:54
	2025 Edition.	02:16:58
	#2 California electrical code.	02:17:01
	2025 edition #3 California plumbing code.	02:17:04
	2025 edition #4 California Mechanical.	02:17:08
	Code 2025 edition #5 California Administrative Code.	02:17:12
	2025 Edition.	02:17:16
	6 California Energy Code, 2025 edition #7.	02:17:18
	California existing building code, 2025 edition.	02:17:22
	#8 California Wildland Urban Interface Code, 2025 edition.	02:17:26
	International property.	02:17:31
	9.	02:17:33
	International Property Maintenance Code 2024 edition #10.	02:17:35
	International Swimming Pool and SPA Code 2024 edition.	02:17:39
	#10.	02:17:44
	Gypsum association. Fire resistive.	02:17:46
	Design manual.	02:17:51
	3rd Edition.	02:17:53
	GA62024 and making miscellaneous revisions to article.	02:17:54
	8 building regulations.	02:17:59
	To provide consistency with the California Building Standards Code.	02:18:02
	And #2.	02:18:06
	Schedule a public hearing for the City Council's November 17, 2025 meeting.	02:18:07
	To consider adoption of the proposed ordinance and #3.	02:18:11
	Designate the City Clerk to publish a summary of the proposed ordinance at least 5 days.	02:18:15
	Before the City Council meeting, at which?	02:18:20
	The proposed ordinance is to be considered.	02:18:22
	Or adoption.	02:18:25
	May I have a motion and a second?	02:18:28
	Are we supposed to have two 10s in there?	02:18:30
	The international swimming, I think that's the type of should be 10 and then 11.	02:18:34
	So I think we have to, we have to read it all over again.	02:18:39
	Got caught up reading them around. No no no.	02:18:43
	OK. Thank you for that. And and with that, may we have a motion and a second?	02:18:47
	So move second.	02:18:51
	All right. Any discussion?	02:18:55
	No OK, Madam Clerk.	02:18:57
	OK, Councilmember Gama.	02:18:58
	Yes, Councilmember Hernandez. Yes.	02:19:01
	Councilmember Press Yes.	02:19:04
	Mayor Pro Tem Lopez.	02:19:05
	And Mayor McQueen Lejeune, Yes, motion passes unanimously.	02:19:07
	OK. Now we're going to move to Item 11, the Business item park reservation process overview.	02:19:10
	Will staff please present the report?	02:19:17
	Thank you and.	02:19:20
	Anna Hanley, our recreation and community services manager, is going to give a presentation.	02:19:21
	We wanted to provide this presentation, we had said when.	02:19:26
	We got.	02:19:31
	The Bubbling Springs project done and.	02:19:32
	And got some new.	02:19:35
	Facilities available to the public online that we the 1st.	02:19:39
	Six months, but probably more like a year was going to be a learning period and that we'd come back to council and talk about	02:19:44
	what's working, what's not working and what things we were looking at doing.	02:19:49
	And so.	02:19:55
	So I think this is the first of those where we've had some experience now renting out the facilities at the park and we've.	02:19:56
	Learned a couple of things and then some things we want to.	02:20:02
	Try out SO.	02:20:05
	With that, I'll hand it over to.	02:20:06
	Anna Haley.	02:20:09
	Good evening Mayor, Mayor Pro Tem, council, members of the public and staff.	02:20:11
	As the city manager mentioned, Item 11 on the agenda is intended to provide an overview of the park reservation system.	02:20:16
	With a focus on the newly offered amenities at Bubbling Springs Park.	02:20:23
	This evenings presentation will highlight the process by which to place a reservation.	02:20:28
	Reviews associated fees and discusses future considerations.	02:20:33
	As pictured here, we have the four ball fields which are no longer exclusively used by the Port Wayne ME Little League.	02:20:42
	These fields are reservable outside of the predetermined.	02:20:49
	Hours covered under the priority use agreement with the league.	02:20:53
	Related to Port Wayne Amy Little League's operation.	02:20:57
	Of the concession stand is.	02:21:00
	Picnic area #2.	02:21:02
	Immediately adjacent to the snack.	02:21:04
	This covered picnic area is only reservable when the league.	02:21:07
	Does not have established field reservations.	02:21:10
	And these states are pre built into the reservation system.	02:21:13
	Also on this slide is Picnic area #1.	02:21:18
	That picnic area, on the other hand?	02:21:22
	Thus far is our most.	02:21:25
	Popular and sought after reservable space within the park.	02:21:26
	Which is likely due to its proximity to the playground and the public restroom building.	02:21:30
	Also featured on this slide are multi use fields #1 and #2.	02:21:36
	And those are the synthetic turf fields in the South.	02:21:42
	Portion of the park parcel.	02:21:44
	Which are also in constant use.	02:21:46
	However, we have not yet seen a high volume of formal reservations.	02:21:49
	For this space it's increasing, but most users are partaking in it in.	02:21:53
	Impromptu play in this particular portion of the facility.	02:21:58
	Here we have photographs of the reservation kiosks which are adjacent to the reservoir.	02:22:09
	Amenities.	02:22:15
	Featured within the kiosks are.	02:22:16
	The titles of the reservoir space and this helps members of the public.	02:22:19
	Identify these spaces when referencing.	02:22:23
	Them on the city's website.	02:22:26
	We're providing a QR code that will also take anyone directly to the reservation landing page.	02:22:28
	Where they can create their user account and begin the reservation process.	02:22:34
	Inside of the kiosk is also where you can find current permits posted.	02:22:39
	We ask for general awareness.	02:22:44
	That anyone occupying these spaces check the kiosk for potential incoming reservations or permits.	02:22:46
	And alongside all of that, you can also find the contact information for the Recreation and Community Services division within	02:22:53
	those kiosks.	02:22:57
	So from that QR code that I mentioned in the previous slide, an interested party can find themselves then on the Civic Rec.	02:23:08
	Registration platform.	02:23:15
	After creating a user account, a full menu of pricing options becomes available and the perspective.	02:23:17
	Reservations may be submitted for review.	02:23:24
	Staff conducts a review of every pending reservation submission prior to payment and permit issuance.	02:23:27
	And we are reviewing these reservation submissions for alignment with the required time frame.	02:23:33
	We currently require submissions to be no less than three business days and no farther out than 21 business days.	02:23:39
	We're also verifying the scope of use.	02:23:46
	Is this a straightforward reservation from a community member? Or for instance, is this a tournament use request?	02:23:49
	We're also checking to see if the reservation is categorically subject.	02:23:55
	To the collection of a certificate of insurance.	02:23:59
	We need to verify residency.	02:24:02
	Or collect 501-C3 documentation.	02:24:05
	Once the review is complete, account holders are prompted via e-mail to finalize their payment.	02:24:08
	And then they receive a receipt and a permit in return by e-mail.	02:24:14
	I did want to note that outside of permitted reservations, all amenities are operated on a first come, first served basis.	02:24:18
	This slide features the fee schedule for amenities within Bubbling Springs Park.	02:24:30
	There is a distinction of resident versus non resident fees.	02:24:35
	Fees are higher for the use of lights at the ball fields and multi use fields.	02:24:39
	There are minimum hour requirements and no current cap on maximum number of hours.	02:24:44
	Fees do not include the presence of a staff attendant or preparatory maintenance beyond regular scheduled activity.	02:24:51
	And I did want to also note that we did identify there as a meeting room space.	02:24:58
	That is also available for reservation within the Sports Plaza building.	02:25:03
	However, it's very limited in scope and.	02:25:08
	And outside of the port Wayne Amy Little League seasonal use and so those are.	02:25:10
	Just the few dates within within the entire calendar year.	02:25:14
	It has been identified that additional signage in regards to reservable spaces needs to be included.	02:25:24
	It also needs to include the expectations to vacate the amenity.	02:25:30
	In alignment with any pre reserve time that is supported by a permit.	02:25:34
	We've also always known that there would be an ongoing assessment of fee rates and varying user groups.	02:25:39
	And we're consistently monitoring activity in the park and encourage inquiries.	02:25:45
	And invite the public to communicate their needs when it comes to public spaces.	02:25:49
	We intend to roll out a post reservation survey process, so please look for that in the coming months. I think we'll find that	02:25:54
	beneficial as we go forward.	02:25:57
	And staff is also hopeful that this presentation specifically will increase awareness and participation in the reservation	02:26:02
	process.	02:26:05
	Quite frankly, we're building an entirely new culture when it comes to reservable spaces in our park system.	02:26:09
	And with these changes, we hope to acclimate everyone to the evolving.	02:26:15
	Reservations as they become available.	02:26:19
	And we're now available for any questions that you may have.	02:26:25
	Are there any questions?	02:26:27
	So I do support the additional signage.	02:26:31
	Issue and as you are aware I was.	02:26:34
	Have to be in the area where an issue came up.	02:26:37
	That is bringing. This is the reason for.	02:26:40
	That additional signage, has there been any?	02:26:43
	Further discussion as to.	02:26:45
	When that is going to take place or if it will be.	02:26:46
	Happening or is it something council needs to approve first?	02:26:49
	I think we'll have to divert specifically to the.	02:26:53
	Police Department for their insight and recommendation, but that analysis will be forthcoming and will be working.	02:26:56
	In the coming weeks to.	02:27:02
	To speak with them in regards to that issue.	02:27:04
	Thank you.	02:27:06
	Right, Councillor Mcgah.	02:27:07
	Is there staff time built in like say if somebody?	02:27:10
	Reserves the picnic area and they have a BBQ.	02:27:14
	Bunch of people is staffed.	02:27:17
	Time built into.	02:27:19
	Come out and.	02:27:21
	Check in or check out the group.	02:27:23
	Not at this time. Currently, so there is no staff attendant assigned to any current reservation that exists within the park	02:27:26
	system.	02:27:29
	Do we?	02:27:33
	Are we made aware of?	02:27:35
	How many people are expected to?	02:27:36
	Vacant to populate the.	02:27:39
	The area.	02:27:41
	In other words, I'm trying to understand if.	02:27:43
	If somebody.	02:27:45
	Rents a place out and has a big old party.	02:27:46
	And causes a lot of problems.	02:27:49
	You know, how do we identify that other than somebody calling the police or.	02:27:51
	Something like that.	02:27:55
	Interesting as far as monitoring the number of guests in attendance.	02:27:57
	Is that your question Specifically my question is.	02:28:01
	You know, do we monitor what's going on? Do we?	02:28:05
	Because it just seems to me that.	02:28:08
	You know, somebody could.	02:28:10
	Go way beyond the scope of.	02:28:12
	What they're paying for and how do we?	02:28:14
	Manage that, Sure. So at this point in time, what we're doing regularly is entering into a dialogue with any reserving party.	02:28:16
	And that's part of that staff assessment is we want to engage them to really understand the scope of.	02:28:23
	Of the intended reservation.	02:28:28
	We have had an issue where.	02:28:30
	People will assume, well, if I am able to reserve this space and then I can go ahead and use it as I see fit.	02:28:31
	For instance.	02:28:37
	I may want to hold a free public event.	02:28:39
	Well, they may engage vendors and or.	02:28:42
	Impede the public's right of way or access those spaces?	02:28:45
	In that moment in time, we would encourage them to submit a special use.	02:28:49
	Permit application? What if they didn't?	02:28:53
	What if they just said we're gonna just go the bare minimum and then we're just gonna have this big old party and then?	02:28:55
	Sure. Which unfortunately at this moment in time is something that could happen. And so if it's during off hours or outside of the	02:29:01
	scope of our normal business hours.	02:29:05
	The point of contact that they have within the city at this time would be the Police Department.	02:29:10
	Right, if somebody became concerned.	02:29:16
	Like if if I.	02:29:18
	Go to the dog park. I'm like, what is going on over there? There's a band, there's kegs, there's.	02:29:20
	All kinds of stuff so that it would be incumbent on me to.	02:29:25
	Phone it in and if somebody doesn't phone it in then.	02:29:28
	You may or may not.	02:29:31
	Be aware of it.	02:29:34
	At the end of the.	02:29:35
	Party.	02:29:36
	That's when MCAM, I'll just add as Miss Hanley explained before the process includes the submission of a reservation and then	02:29:37
	subject to review by staff. So staff is looking.	02:29:42
	For things that would be consistent with traditional park reservations. And Anna's example isn't just a hypothetical that those	02:29:47
	situations have actually happened.	02:29:51
	Where during the review process it's been identified that this is not a typical park permit process. It's much larger thing that	02:29:55
	would be more appropriate for a special use permit.	02:29:58
	So if someone is.	02:30:02
	Withholding information and doesn't share it. It could happen, but I just wanted to reaffirm that.	02:30:04
	The existing process does allow for staff review and identification of which is the proper route to take so that we do have.	02:30:09
	Special uses accounted for properly.	02:30:15
	What I was just going to expand on that by suggesting that by way of a presentation such as this in a conversation.	02:30:18
	We're encouraging the public to communicate with us so we can give them the correct path in order to submit or hold.	02:30:25
	A sanctioned event such as that.	02:30:31
	Thanks. And then.	02:30:33
	I was looking for Miranda Park on here because I live very close to it.	02:30:35
	And the pickle Ballers.	02:30:38
	I could see.	02:30:43
	A pickleball.	02:30:44
	Tournament.	02:30:45
	Wanting to occur at Miranda Park.	02:30:47
	I mean, it's just.	02:30:49
	It's not uncommon.	02:30:50
	To see.	02:30:52
	The parking lot completely full and people.	02:30:53
	Spill it into the neighborhood around the park.	02:30:56
	So just wondering.	02:30:59
	Has any consideration been made for like renting out the pickleball courts for a tournament or something like that?	02:31:00
	We did. We had to modify our internal guidelines as far as pickleball reservations specifically to address an inundation of	02:31:06
	tournament requests.	02:31:11
	They were being submitted by.	02:31:15
	People that claim, but they were nonprofit groups, but it was.	02:31:18
	Groups that were identified to continue and promote pickleball tournaments.	02:31:23
	For profit.	02:31:27
	Yeah, bring it up, because I did see one group and they're actually selling tennis shoes.	02:31:28
	And brackets and all the stuff.	02:31:33
	So that was modified to change that. Any pickleball tournament requires the Co sponsorship from the city and it would come before	02:31:36
	the council for their consideration. Your consideration? Excuse me?	02:31:40
	OK, just to be clear to the public.	02:31:45
	Reservation of pickleball courts can be made, but I believe if it's more than two.	02:31:47
	It requires.	02:31:51
	Co sponsorship and goes through the City Council so.	02:31:53
	As Andy indicated, we've we found that other.	02:31:56
	Recreation districts and other agencies.	02:31:58
	Have modified their practices and there was a little while a year or so ago that resulted in more requests of the city of Port	02:32:01
	Wayne me so we modified our practice to ensure that anything that's going to.	02:32:06
	Burden the courts with a tournament would have to.	02:32:11
	And before the City Council for just to be clear, is there a fee for that?	02:32:14
	For pickle balls.	02:32:18
	Yes.	02:32:20
	There is an established rental fee for the pickleball.	02:32:21
	OK.	02:32:24
	Any questions?	02:32:27
	I do.	02:32:28
	So when did the?	02:32:30
	Did I? When did the app?	02:32:32
	Go live with the new bubbly Spring Springs area.	02:32:34
	So we don't.	02:32:38
	Have an app.	02:32:39
	Per se, but the website did take a while for us to establish ourselves. Quite frankly, there was a bit of a learning curve and I	02:32:40
	believe.	02:32:44
	Some of those first few reservations.	02:32:48
	Quite quite honestly had a few errors associated with them so.	02:32:51
	Forgive me but I can't remember the exact date now, but it did take a few weeks after the park opened before we had.	02:32:57
	The website up and running properly.	02:33:03
	Alongside, we were waiting for training associated with the use of the lights.	02:33:06
	And so now all staff is able to schedule.	02:33:11
	Remotely the use of the lights associated with any reservation.	02:33:15
	Got it. So when I go to the app and I.	02:33:19
	I reserve a spot.	02:33:22
	If there's it's going to be blacked out for days that are already.	02:33:25
	Occupied. Correct.	02:33:28
	Sure. So when you.	02:33:30
	Time on the calendar. It'll immediately populate to the right of your date.	02:33:32
	Of choice.	02:33:37
	What times remain available for reservation?	02:33:38
	And so there could be an instance where there is a portion of the day that's already blocked out for existing reservation and only	02:33:41
	what's available remaining for that reservable space.	02:33:45
	Will will show be revealed to you?	02:33:50
	So how far?	02:33:53
	In advance, can you actually make reservations?	02:33:55
	So we we cap it at 21 days. So we don't want anyone to particularly monopoly monopolize those spaces.	02:33:57
	So.	02:34:05
	So the winemie. Literally.	02:34:07
	They they seem to have, you know, the 1st.	02:34:09
	First come, first serve.	02:34:12
	But they also host tournaments from.	02:34:14
	When they're off season.	02:34:16
	How are we?	02:34:18
	How is the city being notified that?	02:34:21
	They're gonna host tournaments that are not part of the.	02:34:23
	My name is.	02:34:26
	Sure. So under the priority use agreement they're sanctioned to have, I believe it's up to three tournaments outside of their	02:34:28
	normal league.	02:34:31
	Play and so they have a.	02:34:35
	Existing priority use agreement with the city in which we've identified the number of hours.	02:34:37
	That they require for each season.	02:34:43
	On weekdays and then also a separate number of hours that they require.	02:34:45
	On weekends.	02:34:50
	In addition to their tournament play.	02:34:51
	So the way it is supposed to work and so this was a new year, first year of their their priorities agreement, which was a change.	02:34:53
	But I have to say they've been incredibly great partners and being commutative as.	02:34:59
	And knowing that.	02:35:04
	These are now public spaces, so they're sharing them with members of the public.	02:35:07
	They're doing a really good job of communicating to us.	02:35:12
	What? Uh.	02:35:14
	They need as far as tournament play and all of those were approved.	02:35:15
	By the Recreation and Community Services Division in advance of.	02:35:20
	Of those established states.	02:35:24
	OK, so since the picnic areas are.	02:35:26
	Which are heavily used.	02:35:28
	So an example I actually ran.	02:35:32
	On a Saturday.	02:35:35
	I'm pretty sure.	02:35:38
	It was used.	02:35:40
	By Winemie Little League.	02:35:41
	Friday night.	02:35:43
	So when we got there in the morning.	02:35:44
	We had to clean the area.	02:35:46
	We had to take out the trash because it was.	02:35:48
	It was.	02:35:51
	Trashes were full.	02:35:52
	I've got a blower. How to blow it all out?	02:35:53
	Why can't we use staff for that?	02:35:57
	Our current operation does not allow.	02:36:01
	Or we wouldn't have the ability in order to supply staff on site for that.	02:36:04
	We would need to take into consideration.	02:36:09
	Speaking with our landscape division as far as.	02:36:12
	Whether or not they have the means to supply.	02:36:15
	That type of staff response.	02:36:18
	That's why we are calling out in this presentation that it.	02:36:20
	Currently is not.	02:36:23
	A part of the fee schedule.	02:36:24
	And is not.	02:36:26
	Part of our procedural rollout.	02:36:27
	And if I if I could just add to that that the.	02:36:29
	That'd be the the main thing.	02:36:32
	When we set the fees.	02:36:34
	For Bubbling Springs Park, which again when we set them, we said.	02:36:36
	We don't know how popular this is going to be. We don't know.	02:36:39
	You know, we don't know if people are really going to jump on it. It looks like it's been pretty popular because we've had 24 and	02:36:43
	five months, which is basically one every weekend.	02:36:47
	But when we set them.	02:36:52
	The focus, I think, at that point that we had talked about and with the Council was.	02:36:53
	On keeping costs low.	02:36:57
	Versus, you know.	02:37:00
	Cadillac service at Cadillac prices.	02:37:02
	So it's something we could look at.	02:37:05
	We just have to have that conversation.	02:37:07
	Because as a reminder.	02:37:09
	You know, using.	02:37:11
	All the taxpayers dollars to pay for somebody to service 1.	02:37:13
	Person who's renting the park.	02:37:16
	Isn't, isn't.	02:37:18
	You know, the way we would.	02:37:20
	Proposed to do that, it would be the person using it and getting that service is paying for the cost.	02:37:22
	And just like everything else, the costs of staff.	02:37:27
	At the city level.	02:37:30
	Or, you know, in California especially is not cheap. It's.	02:37:32
	I think it would put the.	02:37:36
	Price out of reach for a lot of people, but it's it's an approach we can look at. It's just a different approach than we had said.	02:37:37
	So I mean it is generating.	02:37:44
	Money.	02:37:47
	And we're not talking about a.	02:37:48
	We're not talking about 8 hours. I think we're talking maybe, you know, one to two hours of work.	02:37:50
	That somebody would probably volunteer for.	02:37:55
	The other question I have is.	02:37:58
	The restrooms that are near picnic area #2.	02:38:01
	Will when you rent that space.	02:38:05
	That.	02:38:08
	That restroom's not opened.	02:38:09
	And it just seems.	02:38:12
	Like your guests have to walk all the way to the other restroom?	02:38:14
	What's the purpose of having a restroom if it's only used for?	02:38:18
	Literally.	02:38:21
	Why can't we open it?	02:38:22
	For for our residents.	02:38:24
	I understand and I think we would have to take.	02:38:27
	That into consideration as well. Operationally it's incur.	02:38:29
	Currently it was intended just for the use in conjunction with the priority use agreement for the league.	02:38:33
	So I think we'll take that into consideration. Thank you.	02:38:41
	I have a comment about the.	02:38:43
	Bathrooms. No, I don't.	02:38:46
	Up one more.	02:38:48
	Oh, that's it, Go ahead.	02:39:02
	Go ahead.	02:39:04
	I just have a comment. We used to have the bathrooms open.	02:39:05
	All the time to the public.	02:39:08
	And they kept being destroyed by homeless or people.	02:39:09
	So we decided to lock them.	02:39:13
	Because the amount of.	02:39:15
	Upkeep and maintenance and repair that we that our facilities had to do was just.	02:39:17
	Was no way.	02:39:21
	Yeah, I get that.	02:39:22
	But I'm saying if if someone's reserving.	02:39:24
	Picnic area number.	02:39:26
	The restroom should go with it.	02:39:28
	And then when it's done, they.	02:39:30
	You lock it up.	02:39:32
	At the end of the.	02:39:33
	At the end of the rental time.	02:39:35
	Just seems like that's something that the city should be doing since they're actually reserving.	02:39:37
	That area.	02:39:41
	And I understand you're identifying the secondary set of bathrooms, so just for clarity, the main public restroom building does	02:39:44
	remain open during park hours and is available for public.	02:39:49
	Thank you. Great. Any other questions?	02:39:54
	Just want to follow up a little bit on what.	02:39:58
	Mayor Pro Tem had to say and and.	02:40:00
	What I'm trying to articulate is that.	02:40:03
	Would it be worthwhile?	02:40:06
	Worthwhile.	02:40:09
	To build in staff time.	02:40:10
	To common.	02:40:14
	For lack of a better.	02:40:17
	Police the area because.	02:40:19
	If if.	02:40:21
	If the second renter comes on Saturday.	02:40:23
	And the place is full of trash and stuff.	02:40:28
	You know, kind of.	02:40:31
	And if.	02:40:33
	The trash was.	02:40:34
	Left negligently by a party, you know, I mean, it's like.	02:40:36
	It's not fair to the person who's renting the place to have to clean up.	02:40:40
	In order to have their event and so.	02:40:44
	I do know that.	02:40:47
	I've interacted with the.	02:40:48
	A park in Montecito for a number of years.	02:40:49
	And they would.	02:40:52
	They would have a representative meet there and.	02:40:55
	Make sure everything's.	02:40:57
	OK to go and then?	02:40:58
	Come at the end of the day and.	02:40:59
	And check it out and then.	02:41:01
	You know, move a thon. So anyways, I think it might be a good idea. OK, so can.	02:41:03
	Aren't we going to be talking in that part of what this?	02:41:08
	Action is today to see if we wanted to add.	02:41:12
	Additional funds for additional service.	02:41:15
	Yeah, I was, I was just going to say to the the comments that have been made when we made adjustments to the recreation section of	02:41:18
	the general fee schedule earlier this year.	02:41:22
	We presented the information about.	02:41:27
	Fees that are charged in different districts and there certainly is a wide range. We were not at the lowest, but we were.	02:41:29
	Medium to low.	02:41:35
	And there are districts that charge significantly more.	02:41:37
	And if it is the Council's desire to provide direction that we provide a higher level of service with staff on site, either	02:41:40
	cleaning and or as an attendant during those activities.	02:41:44
	That that could be something that we definitely adopt.	02:41:50
	It would come with an additional cost and that would need to be considered and.	02:41:52
	Accordingly amended.	02:41:56
	To the schedule.	02:41:57
	OK. When you say additional cost, you mean to the the public reserving the space? Yeah, the permit fee would need to be amended	02:41:58
	increased accordingly yes, OK. I did have a couple of questions so having.	02:42:04
	Rented a space in Oxnard for family reunion in August.	02:42:09
	So they did have.	02:42:13
	You call it.	02:42:17
	A number like we couldn't go over.	02:42:19
	150 people in a pavilion.	02:42:21
	Right. So that was part of it.	02:42:24
	On the other one was.	02:42:26
	No alcohol.	02:42:28
	So.	02:42:29
	Are we a no alcohol?	02:42:30
	Facility, yeah.	02:42:32
	Part of our standard.	02:42:33
	Park regulations includes signage that already stipulates that, so yes, great.	02:42:35
	But as far as the threshold number of guests, that's not something that I believe we've currently identified.	02:42:40
	So that's a great suggestion for us to implement.	02:42:46
	Yeah. And a couple more questions. So in the area that's.	02:42:48
	Under the blue.	02:42:52
	10 there.	02:42:53
	I believe there was number electricity there. There's no electricity there. No, there is not.	02:42:56
	There is not OK.	02:43:00
	But I have seen.	02:43:01
	Like vendors that come like the Taco man.	02:43:03
	Is there or BBQ pits that's allowed?	02:43:06
	So it's my understanding that.	02:43:11
	Outside of the winding me.	02:43:15
	Park you are able to bring in your own cooking vessel, so it could be.	02:43:17
	I believe.	02:43:23
	Popular nowadays is the Blackstone.	02:43:24
	For food preparation and so it's not a.	02:43:28
	Of live fire, if you will. It's not a BBQ pit.	02:43:32
	But it is an ability to cook food in.	02:43:35
	In public and in the park.	02:43:38
	So no live fire.	02:43:40
	Unless it's in a city provided.	02:43:42
	Vessel is the word I can think of in this in this regard, but that.	02:43:46
	That particular portion of the municipal code, my understanding is specific to Wyoming Beach Park.	02:43:51
	And may not necessarily apply to the remaining part.	02:43:56
	In our park system.	02:43:59
	OK. And I think my final question is, is there any?	02:44:01
	Verbiage about whether you can have.	02:44:05
	Jolly jumpers or not, if a permit is required.	02:44:08
	Sure. So we.	02:44:12
	We have reviewed and.	02:44:13
	Examined.	02:44:16
	Permit process associated with.	02:44:17
	The use of jolly jumpers.	02:44:19
	We currently do not offer that.	02:44:22
	As an option for park goers.	02:44:25
	And that's tied to my understanding is the use of a generator in the open park space and there's limitations on that that	02:44:28
	currently exists. So if we were to return to council.	02:44:32
	There may be an amendment or a need to to.	02:44:37
	Provide clarity as far as.	02:44:39
	Allowing that.	02:44:41
	Right, so then I'm clear.	02:44:42
	Right now, there's no use of Jolly Jumpers in the park.	02:44:43
	There are not.	02:44:46
	Great. What if they had a?	02:44:48
	Electric powered.	02:44:50
	Battery that can generate.	02:44:52
	For a jolly jumper.	02:44:54
	There's no enforcement.	02:44:56
	Sure. So one of the things I would suggest is if we're gonna.	02:44:58
	Examine this as a city is also that we would want to define.	02:45:01
	Specific areas in which those could be permitted.	02:45:05
	And we would want to probably identify a pre vetted list of approved vendors.	02:45:08
	That would work.	02:45:14
	In partnership with us to respect.	02:45:15
	The areas assigned for that type of use and so that would be very typical. But for instance, we have the open park.	02:45:17
	Parcel in the middle of Bubbling Springs.	02:45:24
	When you walk north of the the dog park.	02:45:26
	Northeast.	02:45:30
	All the way to the playground.	02:45:31
	So we wouldn't want necessarily sort of a free for all there as far as jolly jumpers or a number. So we would want to determine.	02:45:33
	Where those would be staged and set up in cooperation with one another.	02:45:40
	And so my approach would probably include.	02:45:44
	A few steps for recommendation.	02:45:47
	For your review.	02:45:48
	And I'm just asking because I've seen them there.	02:45:49
	We have two.	02:45:52
	Yeah. And I didn't know if they were appropriate or not. We have as well. So that's all I have. Anyone have any other questions	02:45:53
	before we move on? Did I hear you correctly say that?	02:45:57
	Barbecue.	02:46:02
	Bar portable barbecues are not allowed at 1 Amy Beach Park.	02:46:04
	I believe there's some language that limits their the use of them their specific.	02:46:10
	At the specifically at the beach, but.	02:46:15
	But for the.	02:46:18
	Purpose of this discussion, we focused on bubbling spring, so I guess I would say please don't quote me on that, but it is my	02:46:19
	understanding that there is specific language that applies to Wyoming Beach Park.	02:46:24
	That does not necessarily apply to the other part.	02:46:29
	So you're saying that if I brought a BBQ to Bubbling springs that's OK?	02:46:32
	I'm saying that we have received.	02:46:38
	Clarifying language that allows for the use of a cooking vessel that I would identify as a Blackstone.	02:46:40
	So it doesn't necessarily have BBQ.	02:46:46
	We asked specifically for that type of use in that particular type of.	02:46:49
	Cooking apparatus. And that was a.	02:46:55
	That was sanctioned.	02:46:57
	So I could only speak specifically to that particular item, but I can.	02:46:59
	Provide additional research and then have that information supplied to the Council.	02:47:03
	That would be great.	02:47:08
	Thank you, Stu.	02:47:09
	Clarify on that. When you say the language that was sanctioned, it's from CJ Pia.	02:47:10
	Is that what we're talking about? It's from community development.	02:47:15
	A community development.	02:47:18
	Their internal review and association to especially you.	02:47:19
	Use permits that were provided and.	02:47:23
	We had a request from The Boy Named Me Little League to use several barbecues.	02:47:26
	For a related event that they proposed.	02:47:30
	And so there was a there was a defined use.	02:47:35
	Code is.	02:47:37
	Probably.	02:47:38
	Inadequate, out of date and needs to be updated as part of that, so it's something.	02:47:40
	With how we're reviewing some of those community development item.	02:47:45
	Are we in discussion yet?	02:47:49
	Questions. No, we are not.	02:47:50
	OK.	02:47:52
	Thank you. Are any public comments?	02:47:53
	No public comments for this item.	02:47:56
	OK, so we have before us.	02:47:58
	This is just a matter of fact.	02:48:03
	Is this has to receive and file?	02:48:05
	This is a receive and file.	02:48:08
	Presentation regarding the city parks reservation process.	02:48:11
	The focus on newly implemented Bowling springs park amenities.	02:48:15
	This is a receive and file. May I have a first and 2nd?	02:48:19
	Motion in a second.	02:48:22
	Move to approve.	02:48:23
	Move to proof, proceed on file.	02:48:25
	There is the opportunity if there is any direction desired.	02:48:27
	To consider any.	02:48:31
	Policies or anything like that yeah, we're.	02:48:33
	Discussion and comments.	02:48:36
	I think it's important to.	02:48:38
	To make everything make sense.	02:48:41
	And for example.	02:48:45
	At Windmill Beach Park, I can guarantee I can tell you what with 100% certainty.	02:48:46
	That.	02:48:52
	On Labor Day, Memorial Day.	02:48:53
	4th of July, there are literally hundreds of barbecues, Weber barbecues on the beach.	02:48:56
	And so.	02:49:01
	We need to.	02:49:03
	Make all this make sense because.	02:49:04
	You know we've had this.	02:49:07
	Discussion before and I've heard our city manager say.	02:49:08
	If we're not going to enforce things, then let's not put it on the books.	02:49:12
	Jolly jumpers we.	02:49:16
	I regularly see them. I see them at random park. I've seen them.	02:49:18
	Up and down.	02:49:21
	Bubbling Springs quarter, not a lot, but you do see them from time to time, so.	02:49:22
	Maybe we could.	02:49:28
	Yeah, maybe we could just take a.	02:49:31
	Big macro.	02:49:33
	Review of everything and make it make sense.	02:49:34
	So that we.	02:49:37
	Can enforce when we need to enforce.	02:49:39
	And and.	02:49:42
	And manage our parks so that when a paying guest comes, they come and don't find a mess that somebody else left for him.	02:49:45
	May have been a pain guest or something so.	02:49:52
	OK.	02:49:57
	Going to amend. We need to amend.	02:49:59
	Or or provide direction to staff.	02:50:02
	Take these considerations that have been.	02:50:05
	Made under consideration these recommendations under consideration that.	02:50:08
	Yeah. So does anybody have anything?	02:50:13
	Well, I think they.	02:50:17
	Pretty much have already said.	02:50:19
	That they will take those under consideration. So they've already collected. So what I'm saying we've take a motion, now we're in	02:50:21
	discussion. Some other items might come out of discussion.	02:50:25
	That we can also make.	02:50:29
	Mayor Pro Tem, did you have Yeah, I just.	02:50:35
	You know it.	02:50:37
	I think we owe it to our residents.	02:50:39
	And the people, actually.	02:50:41
	Renting these spaces.	02:50:43
	To be good stewards.	02:50:45
	To those amenities.	02:50:47
	To have good customer service not show up and have to.	02:50:50
	Have to clean before using these items.	02:50:53
	These these areas.	02:50:56
	So to me.	02:50:58
	Two to three hours.	02:51:01
	Of pre work.	02:51:02
	On a on a Saturday.	02:51:03
	Or Sundays.	02:51:05
	To me is not excessive.	02:51:07
	It could be probably done pretty quick and you'll probably get volunteers.	02:51:09
	Of course they're paid volunteers.	02:51:13
	From city staff.	02:51:15
	Again, it's something I think all we should look at as a.	02:51:17
	All hands on deck.	02:51:21
	How can we be?	02:51:22
	Good customer service.	02:51:24
	Reps to our residents.	02:51:26
	And then that restroom.	02:51:29
	Is is we have a restroom.	02:51:31
	We are.	02:51:33
	Going to rent out picnic area too. It should be available.	02:51:35
	And then locked up at the end of the.	02:51:39
	The event.	02:51:41
	To me.	02:51:42
	Just makes sense, so.	02:51:43
	Those are like common sense things.	02:51:44
	That's all I have, OK.	02:51:47
	I can add something to that as well. Another common sense thing is requiring people that.	02:51:49
	Are using the facilities to clean up after themselves.	02:51:53
	Yeah, well, they shouldn't have to clean up before.	02:51:56
	No, right. But if you use it and you make a mess, you should be cleaning up after yourselves as well, yeah.	02:51:59
	And that's what that's why I made the suggestion of building staff time into.	02:52:04
	Ensure that these things are happening.	02:52:08
	Into the fee structure, but.	02:52:12
	You know, like like a.	02:52:14
	Mayor's experience was.	02:52:17
	In Oxnard. Sounds like you.	02:52:18
	Had to interact with somebody when you had your.	02:52:20
	Family reunion and.	02:52:23
	Maybe they checked you in and checked you out.	02:52:25
	No, I'm just thinking we're hearing the same things over and I've already heard staff say.	02:52:31
	That I've already heard staff say.	02:52:36
	Yes, we hear you and we'll take these under consideration. So then amend my emotion.	02:52:39
	To.	02:52:44
	So if we don't hear each other out, we don't know Mayor say something different or if they.	02:52:46
	Maybe ask them to say if they're going to say something different but.	02:52:51
	I'm I'm in charge here.	02:52:55
	Thank you.	02:52:58
	So I'll in my emotion to include staff's recommendation and the request for.	02:52:59
	To consider all of Council's suggestions to bring back information.	02:53:05
	And follow up regarding that.	02:53:10
	Thank you.	02:53:11
	Anything else?	02:53:14
	No, Madam Clerk.	02:53:15
	All in favor.	02:53:18
	Aye, all opposed.	02:53:19
	Hearing none.	02:53:21
	Motion passes unanimously.	02:53:22
	Great. Thank you.	02:53:24
	And #12 Councilmember Future agenda item requests.	02:53:26
	Staff, over to you.	02:53:29
	Thank you.	02:53:31
	So we.	02:53:32
	Thank you.	02:53:35
	Thank you. Thank you.	02:53:36
	We we've proposed a future agenda item request.	02:53:39
	Process. I think I'll start just by saying there's a thousand ways to.	02:53:44
	Have the future agenda, agenda item discussion.	02:53:50
	Most cities.	02:53:54
	You know almost every city does it different from other cities.	02:53:55
	There's different ways to do it, and I think part of that is based on.	02:53:59
	What the priority is of?	02:54:02
	You know what we're trying to address when we?	02:54:04
	Have that future agenda item discussion.	02:54:06
	And so one of the things that we had been noticing.	02:54:09
	And hearing from council hearing.	02:54:13
	From staff over the last.	02:54:16
	You know, six months to a year is.	02:54:19
	You know.	02:54:22
	I think.	02:54:23
	Though trying to figure out how to make sure that we're being clear and transparent about what's getting put on the agenda and	02:54:25
	what.	02:54:28
	What will come back to the Council?	02:54:32
	I think.	02:54:36
	We've all had times where.	02:54:37
	We talked about a future agenda item and then the item comes on the next agenda and maybe.	02:54:38
	It's not exactly what.	02:54:43
	You know, I thought it was or it's not exactly what another person thought it was.	02:54:45
	Because when we were talking about it at the end of the meeting without anything in front of us.	02:54:49
	We thought we were saying the same thing, but we weren't.	02:54:55
	Really saying the same thing.	02:54:58
	So so.	02:54:59
	We noticed that we were hearing that as feedback, so we.	02:55:01
	Sat down and we tried to put a process together.	02:55:06
	That.	02:55:09
	Focuses on.	02:55:10
	Really addressing that.	02:55:11
	The clarity.	02:55:12
	For the council to understand what they're voting on and for the staff to understand what the council expects.	02:55:13
	And the transparency to the public on.	02:55:19
	How do we make it transparent for the public to know?	02:55:22
	What's being talked about or what's going to be agendized?	02:55:24
	So with those in mind, we put together Really.	02:55:28
	We spelled out the process.	02:55:32
	It's almost as DRY as Tom's building code of.	02:55:34
	But it.	02:55:38
	Yeah, but it's really.	02:55:39
	Pretty simple the.	02:55:41
	The change would be.	02:55:42
	Basically, the request gets submitted in writing to.	02:55:45
	My essentially myself and Georgiana.	02:55:50
	Or myself in the city clerk.	02:55:52
	One week prior.	02:55:55
	To the meeting.	02:55:57
	Which then?	02:55:58
	Gives us the chance.	02:56:00
	To include it with the agenda.	02:56:02
	That way the full council can see exactly how the what the item is, who requested it, and how it's explained.	02:56:06
	The public.	02:56:14
	Can see that and know what's going to be talked about and if they.	02:56:15
	You know and.	02:56:19
	And and to know what the.	02:56:20
	What the future agenda item request is and then also that staff.	02:56:23
	Will be able to clearly write their.	02:56:26
	Report and do their analysis based on what that written request is so.	02:56:29
	Essentially what that means is that written item gets.	02:56:36
	Submitted.	02:56:39
	It will be included with the agenda.	02:56:40
	Each week when we have future agenda item discussion, there will be essentially A1 page staff report with those at items attached.	02:56:42
	Any items attached.	02:56:46
	That are requested that meeting.	02:56:50
	And then the Council will be able to discuss them.	02:56:52
	You know it addresses the concern.	02:56:55
	A lot of concerns, but it also addresses the concern that we won't be having.	02:56:59
	Conversations on items.	02:57:04
	Not, uh.	02:57:06
	On the agenda that the public isn't aware of, because they will be on the agenda and the public will be aware of them.	02:57:06
	So.	02:57:12
	So we've.	02:57:13
	We put together.	02:57:15
	As I said in the staff report lays it out maybe more clearly, but really that's the suggested.	02:57:16
	Modification to that process.	02:57:21
	That we recommended.	02:57:23
	And Council has the opportunity to.	02:57:25
	Accept that process.	02:57:28
	Make no changes and keep the current process or identify another process or ask staff to.	02:57:30
	To keep working to find a process, so the option is the council's, it's the council's process.	02:57:36
	So with that, I'm happy to answer any questions.	02:57:41
	Councilmember Hernandez.	02:57:45
	And thank you, Mayor.	02:57:46
	I am all for.	02:57:49
	You know a.	02:57:50
	New process. I do have some questions though.	02:57:51
	About how we.	02:57:54
	Continue to comply with the Brown Act.	02:57:56
	And avoid talking about the merits and the substance of the motion itself.	02:57:59
	I I don't know if you plan to modify the agenda request form to.	02:58:04
	Be more specific on making sure that we don't.	02:58:11
	Get into a discussion on the merits and the substance.	02:58:14
	And let's see, I think I had one more question.	02:58:20
	Isn't that the point though?	02:58:25
	Well, that's the Brown Act does specifically say you can't not talk about the.	02:58:27
	The merits and the substance of a.	02:58:32
	Because you're getting into the discussion.	02:58:34
	When you when you do so maybe, Joan, you want to weigh in on that? Well, I think that, you know, having observed this council over	02:58:37
	the last year and a half, close to two years.	02:58:41
	That seems to be an issue.	02:58:46
	When a request for a future agenda item.	02:58:47
	Comes up.	02:58:51
	Then we start and kind of go down this path of discussing the merits of it.	02:58:52
	When actually it's not.	02:58:58
	Actually on the agenda yet?	02:58:59
	So I think that is what this policy is trying to address.	02:59:01
	That and the.	02:59:06
	Making sure that the future agenda item request.	02:59:08
	Is specific enough?	02:59:12
	So that staff can deal with it.	02:59:13
	Right. But that's my concern is if you get into too much specificity.	02:59:16
	Then you'd begin to discuss the merits.	02:59:20
	And the substance and the pros and cons.	02:59:23
	Of the item itself. So James.	02:59:25
	Did did you?	02:59:28
	Did you actually pull this idea from a?	02:59:29
	Best practices or did you find?	02:59:33
	Process being used in other cities. Yeah, there's several cities that use this process. So then my other question is.	02:59:35
	Will will there be an expectation from Council?	02:59:43
	To request a reminder 5 days before.	02:59:48
	These requests are due. Are we going to get into?	02:59:52
	Are we going to require Georgiana to remind us? Are we just going to?	02:59:56
	The expectation for us just to know five days before if we want to submit an agenda request that we need to get it in, yes, I	02:59:59
	wouldn't want to burden staff with having to remind.	03:00:04
	You know there isn't a mandate that.	03:00:11
	You know, it's not everybody get.	03:00:13
	You know, everybody has to turn one in this week, so essentially when?	03:00:16
	You know if you.	03:00:19
	Hear an idea for a future agenda item? Or you wake up and you notice an issue in the city and you want it to be a future agenda	03:00:21
	item.	03:00:25
	Essentially you'd.	03:00:28
	Fill out the form submitted to us and then we'd agendize it for the next meeting.	03:00:29
	The the next meeting that we'd have the time to put the agenda out.	03:00:33
	So OK.	03:00:36
	Thank you.	03:00:38
	Thank you.	03:00:41
	If I could answer actually the first question though.	03:00:42
	The question.	03:00:46
	Was about.	03:00:47
	Jotted it down the so it's my understanding that.	03:00:50
	Purpose of this is to.	03:00:54
	Not be in a potential to discuss something that's not on the agenda.	03:00:56
	So by filling out the form.	03:01:00
	Let's say all five of us had one request and it's a different request.	03:01:04
	Request, then we would get to future agenda items and you would layout the five requests and then we would be able to discuss.	03:01:07
	Each each request independently.	03:01:15
	And that's the point.	03:01:19
	For the for the purposes of.	03:01:20
	Deciding whether to put it on a future agenda, right? We'll be able to discuss it without violating the Brown Act, right? And so	03:01:23
	the idea, though, is I think the distinction is it's not.	03:01:27
	It's not the substantive discussion because if that's the case, then we just have a second agenda.	03:01:33
	Inside the.	03:01:39
	First, you know, a mini agenda at the end of the meeting, right. But so it's enough detail to be able to for everybody to say,	03:01:40
	yes, I want to include that on a future item so we can discuss it or no.	03:01:46
	We don't even need to spend the staff time on that because it's not something we're interested in doing.	03:01:52
	But there's going to be a discussion if you if there's a request.	03:01:57
	And staff Ka says there's.	03:02:00
	This cost is associated with this request.	03:02:03
	You know there's going to be a.	03:02:07
	There's gonna be a discussion of whether and it's.	03:02:09
	Right. And that's OK. That's what we're trying to do. We're trying to be able to discuss a future agenda item without being in.	03:02:11
	Yeah, I think the distinction is, you know, it's like if we say the, the answer I think is it's going to require some.	03:02:17
	Discipline as well because if we say OK.	03:02:23
	We have a request and it costs $100,000 and then we start arguing about well, I think we can do it for 90,000 or 80, you know, or	03:02:27
	we could do it differently. Well that now we're discussing.	03:02:32
	The substance.	03:02:38
	But all we should be discussing is, yeah, let's talk about that idea at the next or not. Not the next meeting, but at a future	03:02:39
	meeting.	03:02:42
	Yeah, I think #2.	03:02:46
	I think #2 is clear, right? It says the City manager staff report will not fully analyze the item, but will simply provide an	03:02:48
	estimate of resources and staff time for each request.	03:02:53
	This ensures that significant staff time is not utilized until the City Council considers the approved item.	03:02:58
	So it's.	03:03:04
	Clear. We're really going to see what the.	03:03:05
	Council members submitted.	03:03:07
	And then your.	03:03:09
	Minimal staff estimates.	03:03:11
	Right. And then it's just.	03:03:13
	Do you want to?	03:03:14
	Spend the time and energy.	03:03:16
	Right, I think.	03:03:18
	To be clear also is reading the actual staff.	03:03:20
	Support right to understand exactly what it is.	03:03:23
	We're going to be voting on.	03:03:27
	Right. Well, and that staff report will be prepared until it gets put on an agenda. So, so then it's like step one is do we want	03:03:29
	to do that?	03:03:33
	Yes, OK. Now there's going to be a staff report at a future meeting for us to.	03:03:37
	So I submit a future agenda item.	03:03:42
	At what point is?	03:03:45
	Is the Council.	03:03:47
	Given the.	03:03:49
	The form.	03:03:50
	Of the substance included in the packet.	03:03:52
	That would go out to the council and the public, so they wouldn't get it.	03:03:55
	Early, No. So like, let's say you submit it Monday and it should have said seven days. That's the old habit of.	03:03:59
	Me I.	03:04:05
	I had 15 years of Tuesday night council meeting, so I still get into Tuesday mode sometimes, but so seven days prior, so	03:04:06
	essentially the Monday prior you submit.	03:04:11
	The form we put them together and in the packet.	03:04:15
	And then the packet goes out.	03:04:19
	And then?	03:04:21
	Yeah, and so then the council, the public, everybody sees it when the agenda goes out.	03:04:22
	So yeah, I was.	03:04:27
	Curious why? Why you?	03:04:29
	Picked 8 days. I was like, that's should have been seven. Yeah, yeah, we're not coming in on Sunday to do that.	03:04:30
	And.	03:04:37
	That is it real quick question.	03:04:40
	So.	03:04:42
	A resident could do a public comment.	03:04:44
	A public comment on.	03:04:48
	Future agenda item.	03:04:50
	If.	03:04:52
	If all of us.	03:04:54
	Put in they could do it as a general public combat.	03:04:55
	Right. So like.	03:04:59
	So let's say the packet goes out and.	03:05:00
	I say I want to add new.	03:05:03
	You know, a rule about barbecues at the beach?	03:05:05
	Then when we have that meeting and a member of the public puts public comment in.	03:05:08
	And they say they want to speak about barbecues at the beach. They can do it under general public comment.	03:05:12
	And at that time, we would just note whether it's going to be scheduled.	03:05:17
	There was a public comment today that says I support.	03:05:20
	Item number 12 on your agenda.	03:05:24
	Yeah, yeah.	03:05:26
	Yeah, it would be an agenda item, so it'd like.	03:05:29
	Any other gender.	03:05:31
	Yeah, but so, you know, good and bad, obviously that means there might be.	03:05:33
	More public comment, more time spent on that. But.	03:05:36
	The flip the good is it's.	03:05:39
	A transparency measure the public has an opportunity to provide.	03:05:41
	Some comment.	03:05:45
	Before.	03:05:46
	The Council.	03:05:48
	Decides whether to schedule it or.	03:05:49
	Yes, I think the most important part of this is.	03:05:52
	It's going to tell us staff time.	03:05:55
	And how much this?	03:05:57
	Agenda, or whatever it is we're asking for, is actually going to cost.	03:05:59
	Which is rarely something that we get.	03:06:03
	Ahead of time.	03:06:05
	Thank you. Do we have any public comments?	03:06:07
	We did have a public comment and I'll just say it was from Luis Mendez, but I don't see him here, so.	03:06:10
	Yeah, OK.	03:06:17
	And then it was just the written public comment that.	03:06:20
	OK, wonderful. Thank you. So we have before us a recommendation to approve the proposed process for Council member future agenda	03:06:22
	item request and direct staff to incorporate this process into the City Council policies and procedures manual during the next	03:06:28
	scheduled update.	03:06:33
	May have a motion in a second.	03:06:39
	So move second.	03:06:41
	Got it.	03:06:44
	All in favor.	03:06:45
	Aye, all.	03:06:46
	Hearing.	03:06:48
	Yeah, you.	03:06:50
	So I think we we.	03:06:54
	Kind of talking over each other. OK, Yeah, I was asking if you had the motion and the second. Oh, I'm sorry. Yes.	03:06:56
	Now discussion.	03:07:02
	Any discussion?	03:07:04
	Yeah, I just wanted to say that while I was at the League of California Cities.	03:07:05
	I had the opportunity to talk to numerous uh.	03:07:10
	Colleagues from other cities and asked them how they did their agenda request and all of them did them differently than than us.	03:07:14
	Very, very differently.	03:07:22
	And I don't know that there's anyone best way I.	03:07:24
	I try to find best practices and couldn't really find it. I think this is a good.	03:07:26
	Move for us, and I know it's going to keep our city attorney on their toes to make sure that we don't venture into.	03:07:31
	Too much of the discussion.	03:07:38
	Let's talk about the merits. But.	03:07:39
	Yeah. Thank you for putting this on the agenda, James. Appreciate it.	03:07:41
	If it doesn't workout, we can always amend and change it later.	03:07:45
	Yeah, that was one reason we suggested trying it right now.	03:07:49
	Is because if then in January, for example, we do our annual review of the policy and procedures if it doesn't work.	03:07:52
	We know not to put it in there or we can tweak it, you know, at that time. So it's a good test period.	03:07:59
	I would venture to say that I think it's an improvement and I think it's going to workout just fine.	03:08:04
	Thank you. Thank you.	03:08:09
	For your work.	03:08:10
	So when when do you think that this?	03:08:11
	Will be implement.	03:08:14
	If approved tonight, we would start it.	03:08:15
	Now, yeah.	03:08:18
	So I think if I have.	03:08:19
	Councils call. Council call.	03:08:23
	We since.	03:08:25
	We may have future agenda items at the end of this meeting.	03:08:27
	I say you have to five days ahead.	03:08:31
	That is not fair. I will take that from you and.	03:08:35
	Any other comments or discussion?	03:08:43
	If not, Madam Clerk, can we have a vote, please?	03:08:45
	All in favor.	03:08:47
	Aye, all opposed.	03:08:48
	Hearing none, motion passes unanimously.	03:08:50
	Great. Thank you.	03:08:53
	We'll move over to the city manager comments and.	03:08:54
	Sports. Thank you.	03:08:57
	Excuse me?	03:08:59
	So we have just a few things today.	03:09:01
	I actually thought it was going to be much later than 9:30 by this point when we put the agenda.	03:09:03
	So, OK, yeah.	03:09:09
	So just a few things we wanted to highlight, we wanted to highlight.	03:09:11
	In my mind, Anna was going to be here to get some kudos and she probably took took off, but we wanted to highlight the work of the	03:09:16
	Recreation department with the 4th annual Touch A Truck event.	03:09:21
	Which was another I think.	03:09:27
	Big success this year we held it on October 11th. It was the 4th annual. It seems like it keeps getting bigger and more popular	03:09:30
	and.	03:09:33
	And then also rec has been fine tuning the things that we heard weren't perfect the first year or two. Seems like now those things	03:09:38
	are are getting better so.	03:09:42
	So the event.	03:09:48
	Drew 3 / 3000 attendees.	03:09:49
	And over 1000 kids.	03:09:52
	And I think we know that because we passed out.	03:09:54
	Some materials and and all of them were were taken.	03:09:57
	And then some so.	03:10:01
	So we want to thank our rec department, but also.	03:10:03
	There's a lot of partners involved with this, including our departments who bring out items and you can see there like the trash	03:10:06
	truck in our motorcycle unit.	03:10:11
	But also.	03:10:16
	Our County Fire partners, you can see the postal truck and numerous other trucks. I think they even had a family helicopter fly	03:10:17
	over this year.	03:10:22
	So it's definitely.	03:10:28
	Team effort to make it happen and.	03:10:30
	We wanted to thank everybody for that.	03:10:32
	Coming up this week, we have another.	03:10:36
	Popular one last year.	03:10:38
	It was.	03:10:41
	The park was full so.	03:10:42
	I'd actually encourage everybody to check this one out.	03:10:44
	The 4th Annual Spooktacular from 5:00 to 8:00 PM on Wednesday. It is really coming up quick.	03:10:47
	And uh, uh.	03:10:54
	As part of the Spooktacular, which has music, photo booth treats, pumpkin patch, maze, face painting, carnival games.	03:10:55
	And then the last item there is the community pumpkin carving contest.	03:11:02
	So you can see the flyer to the right.	03:11:06
	And so.	03:11:08
	I I think I messed this up when I said it so I want to correct it this time that.	03:11:11
	That, uh.	03:11:15
	I think I had said like come and.	03:11:17
	Carve your pumpkin, but.	03:11:19
	I was corrected that it's no bring your carved pumpkin and so so.	03:11:20
	So if you show up with a plain pumpkin, you're not going to get very far in the context. Yeah. So. So bring bring your best carved	03:11:26
	pumpkin. And there's gonna be votes for from 5:00 to 7:00 PM and then winners announced at 7:30. But.	03:11:33
	That the Spooktacular for a small, well medium sized city. When I went last year I was very surprised at how many people there	03:11:41
	were and and it was generally everybody was very happy and had a good time. So definitely one worth checking out.	03:11:49
	And then?	03:11:58
	With it somehow being Halloween, it is also not too far off from somehow being veteran's day. So we sent out the invites this	03:11:59
	morning, including to.	03:12:04
	Our council members to represent us at this event for the veteran's day ceremony which would.	03:12:09
	Be held this year on Tuesday, November 11th, 2025 at 8:30 AM at Port 1 Amy City Hall.	03:12:16
	We also.	03:12:22
	I know we have our veterans ad hoc committee who's going to be probably, we expect to be reporting back to the council soon on	03:12:23
	their initial.	03:12:27
	Report.	03:12:32
	And so we also invited them to come attend and.	03:12:33
	Get involved with our veteran's day ceremony this year so.	03:12:36
	And then we're hearing good feedback from other representatives that we've invited that I think will have a good turn out this	03:12:40
	year.	03:12:44
	And so last on the agenda forecast.	03:12:49
	One thing I wanted to highlight is that we had.	03:12:52
	Agreed to set.	03:12:56
	A special meeting to review.	03:12:57
	For city attorney.	03:13:00
	On October 28th.	03:13:02
	Which is very.	03:13:04
	Quick and I think the idea.	03:13:05
	So the.	03:13:08
	Period.	03:13:10
	For those applications, ends on.	03:13:11
	Thursday night.	03:13:14
	We are going to try to turn around and get everybody copies of all those proposals.	03:13:15
	On Thursday night.	03:13:21
	And then?	03:13:24
	Basically it gives us Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday to review and then.	03:13:26
	Land Tuesday and then.	03:13:31
	Have a special meeting.	03:13:33
	For the Council in closed session to.	03:13:34
	Discuss those applicants and discuss.	03:13:38
	Sort of.	03:13:41
	Really, the goal will be to identify.	03:13:43
	Which ones we'd want to move forward with on?	03:13:45
	On interviews.	03:13:47
	Which we then set a couple weeks further out.	03:13:49
	So I think we're planning to do that. It is a tight turn around and I think we we talked about that when we were setting the	03:13:53
	dates.	03:13:55
	But uh.	03:13:59
	I I think we.	03:14:02
	We'll stick to it and then if we need more time, we need more time, but I think it'll be good to have that first conversation on	03:14:03
	the 28th.	03:14:07
	What time?	03:14:11
	So I'm trying to remember now if we said 5:00.	03:14:12
	OK, I think we.	03:14:16
	Yeah, I think we said 5:00, but we'll confirm that.	03:14:19
	It was.	03:14:23
	Going to be right after.	03:14:24
	After working hours.	03:14:25
	So.	03:14:27
	And then November 3rd is our next regular meeting.	03:14:30
	And right now we have our quarterly employee recognition presentation scheduled, a presentation by a President, Doctor Roberto	03:14:33
	Gonzalez from Oxnard College on their 50th anniversary.	03:14:39
	We are planning to bring the public hearing.	03:14:45
	For the short term rental ordinance.	03:14:48
	Which we mentioned to the speaker earlier today.	03:14:50
	And then we have.	03:14:53
	Several business items planned the Wine Amy Hero Award. We had talked about changing the code to specify the number of heroes each	03:14:55
	year, so that's coming back.	03:15:00
	We had the.	03:15:06
	Discussion.	03:15:08
	On the feasibility of a bike lane on southbound Ventura Road and what that would look like or could look like.	03:15:10
	We are bringing back the Community Benefit Fund discussion.	03:15:18
	To update the Council on the conversation with the port and get direction from Council.	03:15:22
	And then?	03:15:28
	We are reaching out to the.	03:15:29
	Ad hoc committee, we had reached out to them and they said they would.	03:15:30
	Be able to report back in November.	03:15:33
	We're holding a time for them on the third. I'm not sure if they'll be ready by then or not, but if they do, we'll move forward	03:15:35
	with with.	03:15:38
	That.	03:15:41
	Update as well.	03:15:42
	So so.	03:15:43
	We expect a good meeting on the 3rd so.	03:15:45
	And with.	03:15:49
	That's all I have.	03:15:49
	Great.	03:15:54
	And the time was 5:00.	03:15:55
	Is it 5:00? That's what I thought, thank you.	03:15:57
	OK, so we'll move on to Councilmember reports and comments.	03:16:00
	Councilwoman.	03:16:04
	Yes. So I sat in on the Defense Communities Committee meeting and.	03:16:05
	Part of this discussion was the current shutdown.	03:16:11
	And uh.	03:16:15
	The study of the understanding the community issues, pressing need for health care and educational resources.	03:16:16
	For military families given hospital closures.	03:16:22
	Some shutdown concerns were community impact, legalities and accountability.	03:16:26
	Funding concerns for military and civilian personnel.	03:16:30
	And certain needs for community support and one specific need.	03:16:34
	That has come up with our local community the Port Windy Lions Club has partnered with.	03:16:38
	And the Navy base.	03:16:42
	And helping.	03:16:44
	Families and one of the things that we are helping with is Operation Holiday Wrap, which is.	03:16:46
	Getting donations for.	03:16:51
	Christmas.	03:16:53
	Wrapping paper, Anything.	03:16:54
	Gift bags, ribbons, everything between the dates of October 1st and November 11th. So that is a small thing that we are trying to	03:16:56
	do to help families in need.	03:17:01
	In this community.	03:17:06
	Great. Thank you.	03:17:08
	Yeah, I'm really excited about Spook.	03:17:10
	Spectacular. I'm going to bring a.	03:17:12
	Marshmallow.	03:17:14
	And he is a white.	03:17:16
	Golden Retriever. He looks like a ghost, so he's gonna.	03:17:17
	Going to be out there having fun so.	03:17:20
	Look forward to that.	03:17:22
	I noticed that.	03:17:25
	The Angela.	03:17:28
	Dual Lau.	03:17:30
	McPherson Museum and Philippine Cultural Center is coming to wine EMI.	03:17:31
	And I don't know if you have any information on that, but I would love to hear it's, it's, it's a sizable area.	03:17:36
	And it looks.	03:17:44
	To be.	03:17:45
	Significant.	03:17:47
	And it's the beach port.	03:17:48
	Shopping center.	03:17:50
	The old $0.99 store.	03:17:52
	So.	03:17:54
	I would love for us to be able to welcome them and invite them in and and.	03:17:56
	Hear what they're all about and see what we could do to help them.	03:18:01
	I attended the Ventura County Board of Supervisors meeting.	03:18:06
	Last week to thank.	03:18:10
	Them and their public works depart.	03:18:12
	Department for the refurbishing of Waite me Road and I think.	03:18:13
	Pro Tem.	03:18:17
	Point Magoo frequently.	03:18:19
	And I think you'd be the first woman to tell us how wonderful it is.	03:18:21
	It's amazing.	03:18:24
	It really is, considering how.	03:18:25
	Bad it was.	03:18:28
	But.	03:18:30
	Most importantly.	03:18:31
	The bike lane.	03:18:33
	Is really amazing and a.	03:18:35
	Every couple of every three months there's a group from Lancaster that comes to Windmill Beach called The Lakes from Lancaster.	03:18:39
	And there are.	03:18:46
	There are Filipino organization and they'd like to ride bikes and they come.	03:18:47
	To wine Amy Beach to.	03:18:51
	Ride their bikes to Malibu and back.	03:18:53
	And so I always interact with them because they get there pretty early in the.	03:18:55
	And when they came in, they're like, all happy and like, hey.	03:18:59
	The the road and they're all excited to be able to ride that new bike lane and it, it really is that.	03:19:03
	It's a huge improvement for Waanimi Road and maybe we could take some lessons from that.	03:19:09
	When we start to look at.	03:19:14
	You know how?	03:19:16
	We. Because I'll tell you if you get to ride a bike on Ventura Rd.	03:19:17
	You're gonna, you should be on the sidewalk. I mean, if you're gonna.	03:19:21
	The safety aspect, but.	03:19:23
	What the county did was they.	03:19:27
	They created like a buffer lane.	03:19:30
	An added space.	03:19:32
	From what?	03:19:35
	It looks like to me.	03:19:36
	Particularly to make that bike lane safer.	03:19:37
	Yeah, they added the little.	03:19:41
	David Rumble strips. Yeah, yeah. So it's really nice.	03:19:44
	Anyways.	03:19:48
	I think we should take a look at that.	03:19:49
	Cal Cities, I learned I sat in on a.	03:19:53
	On a session called.	03:19:57
	Plastic litigation.	03:19:58
	And learned a lot about plastics that I didn't know one of the.	03:20:01
	Biggest things that I learned is Styrofoam is plastic.	03:20:05
	And plastic does.	03:20:09
	Breakdown.	03:20:12
	And it breaks down to a point where.	03:20:13
	It's the width of a DNA strand.	03:20:16
	So you can't see it.	03:20:20
	And that's how it gets into our brains.	03:20:21
	Into our systems.	03:20:24
	Plastic is wonderful.	03:20:26
	But.	03:20:28
	There's it just.	03:20:29
	Doesn't breakdown like.	03:20:31
	Other organic.	03:20:33
	Material does.	03:20:35
	You know, we really need to.	03:20:37
	Think about.	03:20:40
	The future. And maybe we could.	03:20:41
	As a city, maybe we could. I don't know how to do this, but.	03:20:44
	Maybe we could be the city that starts to movement to say to.	03:20:48
	Groups like Amazon, you know?	03:20:52
	Forget the Styrofoam, just.	03:20:54
	Use cardboard. Use paper.	03:20:55
	Because.	03:20:57
	There is no.	03:20:59
	Recycling of plastic.	03:21:01
	And there's a big myth out there that, oh, it's recyclable, even though the water bottles, yes, those are recyclable.	03:21:02
	But everything else pretty much isn't so.	03:21:09
	It was a really mind opening.	03:21:12
	To listen and it's like plastics bad.	03:21:15
	Councilmember Hernandez and I attended the Coastal.	03:21:19
	Cities Meeting.	03:21:23
	And it fits into the Beacon discussion tonight because?	03:21:24
	When you.	03:21:30
	Meet council persons from other coastal cities.	03:21:31
	You know, we all have issues with sand, it's just different.	03:21:34
	And.	03:21:38
	And then you could also say, you know, thank.	03:21:40
	For Lee, I'm not Imperial Beach.	03:21:41
	Who's Imperial Beach?	03:21:43
	That's the beach that's right next to the border.	03:21:45
	That's having all that sanitation issues with the.	03:21:47
	Country of Mexico.	03:21:50
	So, you know, while we could belly ache about our problems, there's always somebody that has a little more severe problems. But	03:21:52
	it's really interesting to just to hear everybody talk.	03:21:57
	Talking and trying to learn from each other.	03:22:01
	And that's it.	03:22:06
	That's it, That's it.	03:22:11
	I'm kind of chuckling because the during that Channel Cities group discussion and the the Imperial Imperial Beach, people were	03:22:12
	complaining about the.	03:22:16
	The sewage and the trash that comes from the Tijuana.	03:22:21
	River and they kept saying Tijuana like it's not Tijuana like do you wanna dance it's Tijuana. I keep wanted to tell him just you	03:22:25
	probably go crazy like I did.	03:22:29
	But anyway, that was, it was a great conference. I thought the vendors were.	03:22:36
	A little bit more assertive this year than they were last year and but once I did.	03:22:41
	Engage with them. I got some really good information and I apologize, James, if I'm inundating with you with introductions to	03:22:46
	vendors.	03:22:50
	I'll try not to do that too much, but.	03:22:55
	You know, so I'm just kind of giving.	03:22:57
	Them to you in a dribble, not all at once.	03:22:59
	I so I very much enjoyed the conference. It's always a good place to meet.	03:23:03
	New people make new friends and learn about what other cities are doing.	03:23:08
	Such as?	03:23:13
	Requests.	03:23:14
	I heard AI participated in a.	03:23:17
	Webinar today.	03:23:19
	Through the Cal Cities.	03:23:21
	Organization on entitled We are.	03:23:23
	United against hate?	03:23:27
	Resolutions.	03:23:28
	And I wanted to get a copy of what they are doing up in the Bay Area.	03:23:29
	To recognize.	03:23:35
	October 1920.	03:23:37
	19 through the 25th has.	03:23:38
	United Against Hate week.	03:23:41
	And I think.	03:23:43
	The purpose of me getting that resolution would be to provide it.	03:23:44
	To you, James.	03:23:47
	For.	03:23:49
	Possible incorporation into our immigration discussion and.	03:23:50
	When we finally have an opportunity to discuss about what?	03:23:54
	Things we can do to help our immigrant communities.	03:23:58
	Here in port.	03:24:01
	There might be some something valuable in that resolution that we can borrow.	03:24:02
	Umm, the Beacon dinner last Thursday, Mayor.	03:24:07
	And I were there and.	03:24:12
	That was a really good event and got to enjoy some entertainment from Moorpark and.	03:24:15
	And network with other cities. It's always.	03:24:19
	Nice to to meet and hang out with some of the other City Council members.	03:24:22
	Attended my CPA meeting here in town. They had a.	03:24:26
	An extra meeting so.	03:24:30
	I was.	03:24:33
	I attended through the Government Center. Tomorrow I'll be here for the LC.	03:24:34
	MC Skype meeting.	03:24:37
	At 8:30 and I want to say congratulations to the Friends of the Library for successful.	03:24:39
	Event in our new.	03:24:45
	Newly renovated library.	03:24:47
	I wasn't able to attend but I sent a gift basket.	03:24:50
	But I heard it was it was wonderful, so I want to just offer my congratulations.	03:24:53
	And that's it.	03:24:58
	Over to you, Mayor Pro Tem So.	03:24:59
	I do want to talk.	03:25:02
	Specifically to the government shutdown as.	03:25:02
	It's starting to affect our residents. For our civilian federal workforce, there's two classes. There's the furloughed not working	03:25:07
	and there's furloughed.	03:25:12
	Work who actually.	03:25:17
	Go to work that are unpaid.	03:25:19
	They're usually labeled emergency essential personnel, so they do go to work.	03:25:21
	They're just not paid.	03:25:25
	Depending on who you bank with, like USAA.	03:25:28
	Navy Federal.	03:25:31
	Premier America.	03:25:34
	These banks do, actually.	03:25:35
	If you have a direct deposit.	03:25:37
	History with your current bank. They will actually.	03:25:40
	It will pay you.	03:25:45
	And then?	03:25:46
	It is very.	03:25:47
	Little interest on this money, it's like.	03:25:48
	It's almost non existent so it's actually a good deal for some of the workforce.	03:25:51
	Who need a paycheck?	03:25:55
	Something to pay attention to with who you bank.	03:25:57
	I did. I did attend a civics night at the Knights of Columbus 750.	03:26:00
	And the guest speaker was our very own Port Commissioner Jesse Ramirez. They honored his 30 plus years of.	03:26:05
	Public service.	03:26:11
	And his 30 years of.	03:26:13
	Dock service.	03:26:15
	So congratulations to him, the founder of the Banana.	03:26:17
	The Banana Festival.	03:26:20
	So congratulations, Mr. Ramirez.	03:26:24
	President Ramirez.	03:26:26
	We I also did attend the MO U signing with our mayor.	03:26:28
	And James, our city manager.	03:26:32
	For sister ports Memorandum of understanding.	03:26:35
	With the port of Winimi and.	03:26:39
	The.	03:26:41
	Port of Piata, Peru.	03:26:42
	Most of our blueberries come out of that port.	03:26:44
	So that was a really good.	03:26:47
	Good event for.	03:26:49
	You know, for our city.	03:26:52
	I did attend the Cannabis Community forum.	03:26:55
	And the teen prevention and that was actually really good. I had another meeting, but I did attend this for about an hour and it	03:26:57
	was a good turn out.	03:27:01
	And.	03:27:05
	Hats off to the organizers, Boys and Girls Club.	03:27:06
	Gabe Tran.	03:27:10
	Who was the?	03:27:12
	Moderator Umm.	03:27:14
	So that was a good event.	03:27:16
	And I had the honor of presenting the Certificate of Recognition on behalf of the City of Port Wayne.	03:27:19
	To the Filipino heritage America.	03:27:26
	The Filipino American Heritage Month.	03:27:28
	Hosted yesterday at.	03:27:31
	The Museum of.	03:27:34
	Ventura County, that was a awesome event.	03:27:36
	And.	03:27:39
	I posted on my social media some of the.	03:27:41
	Some of the cultural the dance, it was really.	03:27:44
	Really well organized and thank you for the invite.	03:27:46
	And that's all I have.	03:27:50
	Great.	03:27:53
	So.	03:27:55
	OK, go ahead.	03:27:58
	I attended the Winemie High School football game and they were getting.	03:27:59
	They're losing very badly.	03:28:03
	28 to 6 and it was.	03:28:06
	Like it was really hard to watch and.	03:28:07
	They had an amazing comeback.	03:28:10
	They didn't win the game but they lost 3532 and it was so exciting so.	03:28:12
	And the band.	03:28:17
	I'm really close with the.	03:28:20
	Jasmine Keys and if we remember 3 years ago she only had nine people in her band.	03:28:22
	And now she's got over 70 so.	03:28:29
	70 So watching the band grow it, it's just.	03:28:32
	It's phenomenal, so.	03:28:35
	Congratulations to Whitney High School.	03:28:37
	Thank you.	03:28:40
	So some of the council members have already communicated some of the things that I've done. So I did the MO U signing ceremony	03:28:41
	with the port.	03:28:45
	V Cog Annual dinner It was my first dinner, so it was it was really nice.	03:28:50
	I did the I attended the reach check presentation.	03:28:56
	And.	03:28:59
	I actually.	03:29:01
	Went on vacation to Saint.	03:29:03
	Lucius, I went out of the country.	03:29:05
	So that was the 7th through the 13th. So I'm just kind of getting back at my.	03:29:07
	Legs back on land.	03:29:11
	But I will be attending the CTA. That's the California transit.	03:29:13
	Association conference, and that's in Long Beach.	03:29:19
	That's November 4th through the 7th.	03:29:22
	That's with GCTD, they're funding the trip so nothing required of the of the city.	03:29:25
	And then I wanted to just share really quick.	03:29:32
	Hold on. I just OK.	03:29:36
	From the Caltrans. I don't know if anyone receives information from Caltrans.	03:29:37
	About Rd. closures.	03:29:42
	But Ventura County?	03:29:45
	They will have an overnight full closure of the US 101 in Ventura County between.	03:29:49
	126 and Telephone Rd.	03:29:56
	That will be northbound.	03:29:59
	February the 24th through.	03:30:01
	Through Saturday.	03:30:03
	October 25th there will be.	03:30:04
	Detour signs to get you around that area and then.	03:30:08
	On Yeah.	03:30:11
	After that's done, then.	03:30:14
	On the southbound lane, Saturday the 25th through Sunday the 26th.	03:30:15
	The 101 will be fully closed from 11:00 PM.	03:30:20
	To 8.	03:30:24
	Between Oak Street and Seaward Ave.	03:30:26
	So let me just go back to the northbound. The time is it'll be fully closed from.	03:30:29
	10:00 PM to 7:00 AM.	03:30:34
	Between between C Word and Oak St.	03:30:36
	That's coming.	03:30:40
	In a couple of days, So just wanted to share that.	03:30:42
	That's all that I have.	03:30:45
	And so we'll move on.	03:30:47
	To OK, so for requests for future agenda items.	03:30:50
	#12 item number 12 was approved.	03:30:56
	So the new process has been approved, therefore no request for future agenda items will be taken tonight.	03:30:59
	Staff will distribute the form to each council member electronically.	03:31:06
	For submitting any request, any requested future.	03:31:11
	Agenda items.	03:31:17
	So.	03:31:20
	Does.	03:31:21
	So no one has any requests for future agenda items.	03:31:23
	So.	03:31:27
	So that is the last, that is the last item. Does anybody have anything before we close? We're going to adjourn.	03:31:28
	OK, so the next regular meeting is scheduled for Monday, November 3rd at 6:30 PM will now adjourn. The time is 10:00.	03:31:36

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	And welcome to the City Council meeting. Regular City Council meeting.	00:00:58
	We are going to get started. The time is now 630 so I am going to call the meeting to order.	00:01:03
	And we're going to go ahead and do a roll call, please.	00:01:11
	Excuse me?	00:01:17
	A council member is going to do the.	00:01:20
	Pledge of Allegiance, please stand.	00:01:24
	Is your right hand over your heart?	00:01:27
	Ready. Begin.	00:01:29
	I pledge allegiance to the flag.	00:01:31
	You have the United States of America.	00:01:33
	And to the Republic for which it stands.	00:01:35
	One nation under God.	00:01:38
	Indivisible.	00:01:40
	For everybody. I like the way Madam Clerk was just going to go ahead and do it. She wasn't going to hold me accountable. I was	00:01:44
	like, thankfully my button wasn't working. Great. Let's go ahead to the roll call. Thank you.	00:01:49
	Councilmember.	00:01:55
	Here. Councilmember Hernandez here.	00:01:58
	Councilmember Perez here.	00:02:01
	Mayor Pro Tem Lopez.	00:02:03
	Here and Mayor Perez.	00:02:04
	Here.	00:02:06
	I mean, sorry. Thank you.	00:02:08
	Here, so we're going to go ahead and move to our inspiration and that's going to be given tonight by councilmember.	00:02:10
	Gama, so over to you, Councilmember. Thank you very much. I have a quick little PowerPoint to show you.	00:02:16
	Be just a SEC.	00:02:23
	So I really enjoy doing inspiration. I think it's the greatest part of the job, so.	00:02:26
	Bear with me.	00:02:30
	So Wanimi Beach cleanup has been in progress now for we're working on our 9th year.	00:02:33
	And we have a lot of groups that participate.	00:02:38
	None greater than Amgen. Amgen has been a big.	00:02:41
	Participant over the years.	00:02:45
	I think 5 or 6, maybe even 7 years they've donated money to buy us pickers.	00:02:47
	They show up.	00:02:52
	Wholeheartedly.	00:02:53
	This is a couple years ago.	00:02:55
	And then?	00:02:57
	You know, not having enough buckets for Ampton is a good problem for our coastal environment and.	00:02:59
	Generally speaking, we don't have enough buckets for Hampton, and let me show you why.	00:03:04
	This was this year.	00:03:08
	So with that I would like to introduce.	00:03:10
	Jim Fisher. He's a senior director of corporate engineering and sustainability.	00:03:12
	Thank you.	00:03:17
	Thank you. Should I speak here? Yeah.	00:03:17
	And they said, Oh yeah, this is working so.	00:03:19
	Hi everyone. I'm Jim Fisher with.	00:03:22
	Global engineering at Amgen.	00:03:24
	I lead the environmental sustainability team there.	00:03:26
	And I want to thank you for recognizing us and giving us this opportunity.	00:03:30
	And also want to speak more?	00:03:35
	To the.	00:03:37
	Corporate environment at Amgen a little bit and then.	00:03:38
	Kind of turn it over to the culture and and allow Tanya to speak a bit.	00:03:40
	At Amgen, I think we're really fortunate to work for a company that.	00:03:44
	Pushes for sustainability.	00:03:49
	Several years ago, we're in the middle of our third and most aggressive sustainability program at Amgen.	00:03:51
	And the board awarded us.	00:03:57
	$200 million to deliver.	00:03:59
	Carbon neutrality.	00:04:01
	A 40% reduction in water and a 75.	00:04:03
	Reduction in waste and so.	00:04:06
	For me, it's really something that worked for a corporation that that.	00:04:08
	That is so dedicated.	00:04:11
	To environmental.	00:04:13
	Sustainability.	00:04:15
	But what also makes Amgen really unique?	00:04:17
	Is the culture in which we work and that really is driven by the staff.	00:04:19
	Right that.	00:04:24
	Amgen culture is really a collaborative environment.	00:04:24
	And a an environment where all the staff know that.	00:04:28
	They're they're encouraged to always do the right thing.	00:04:32
	And so.	00:04:36
	That's what makes Amgen quite unique, and that's what makes Amgen a company that can.	00:04:36
	You know, say things like we've been doing.	00:04:41
	Coastal cleanup for 20 years now.	00:04:44
	Our coastal Cleanup.	00:04:46
	Activities span the globe with over 20 sites that participated in it, and there's just a laundry list of things.	00:04:48
	That are happening because the staff are dedicated to this type of activity.	00:04:55
	And there's one staff member that is the most passionate staff member that I know at the company, and that's Tanya Nunez. She'll	00:04:59
	speak after this quick.	00:05:04
	Video umm.	00:05:08
	And Tanya is from.	00:05:09
	All right. Thanks.	00:05:12
	I'm happy to get this chance to talk about our coastal cleanup efforts.	00:05:23
	We are part of this community.	00:05:28
	And be a part of Amgen, a very responsible corporate citizen.	00:05:31
	And the coastal cleanup is a very important part of this.	00:05:35
	I'm really excited about Amgenst.	00:05:40
	20th year of participation in International Coastal Cleanup.	00:05:42
	Last year we had.	00:05:46
	19 sites from around the globe participate with hundreds of staff members.	00:05:48
	That's pretty impressive.	00:05:53
	Events like International Coastal Cleanup help Amgen staff develop bonds that will last a career.	00:05:58
	And it builds a sense of community within the company that extends beyond the local site into the global environment.	00:06:04
	It's important for Amgen to show up for the local communities because we are an integral part of the local communities.	00:06:10
	No matter where you are around the globe, there are ambulance staff members ready to take action and support for healthy planning.	00:06:17
	And it is our duty and our privilege to take care of the environment.	00:06:25
	Thank you.	00:06:30
	Yeah. So I I hope you all feel as I do, that Amgen is truly inspirational when it comes to taking care of our coastal environment.	00:06:33
	And Waite Me resident Tonya Nunez.	00:06:40
	Chick ma sahoja foa.	00:06:43
	Tanya Nunez, Chickasaw.	00:06:45
	Sahee, that's my native Tong.	00:06:47
	And it says hello, my name is Tanya Nunez and I'm Chickasaw. I come from the Chickasaw tribe.	00:06:49
	I'm honored to.	00:06:54
	To be here today.	00:06:55
	With Jim.	00:06:57
	Who came all the way from Colorado?	00:06:59
	I grew up on the California coast. I grew up here in Port Wayne. Amy graduated from Winimia High School.	00:07:02
	Have long, deep.	00:07:07
	Rooted here in this.	00:07:09
	Community My mother ran for Harbor Day Queen back in the 50s.	00:07:10
	So that kind of shows you, but I have 5 generations here.	00:07:15
	In the community, so I'm really inspired by our staff who take days out to.	00:07:18
	Dedicate, they don't have to get up on a Saturday to volunteer, but they do. They come out and we had 100 and over 180 volunteers	00:07:24
	go out for coastal cleanup this year.	00:07:29
	That says something because they can stay in bed and sleep. It's Saturday, they don't have to go to work, but for them to show up	00:07:34
	and join me and for me to be able to share my passion of where I grew up.	00:07:39
	Fishing on the pier and walking Ormond Beach.	00:07:44
	And showing them, hey, this is where I grew up as a little girl fishing with my father on this California coast.	00:07:47
	I think I get inspired by that.	00:07:53
	I guess I like to look at it is like a mother watching her children open her Christmas.	00:07:55
	Present watching her children.	00:08:00
	Opened her Christmas presents and their expressions. I do a lot of other volunteer works we take.	00:08:01
	Volunteers out to anacapa islands and seeing somebody from.	00:08:07
	Place where there's no ocean and watching a.	00:08:11
	Dolphin or well breach out of the ocean and their expression is like wow, you live here.	00:08:14
	I take it for granted because I've lived here all my life.	00:08:18
	But to see somebody else enjoy, get.	00:08:21
	Through their eyes, that's the excitement that I get out of it.	00:08:23
	I just wanted to give a little shout out to the Chumash people, the original caretakers of this land.	00:08:27
	They inspire me every day.	00:08:33
	I don't know if you guys can tell, but I'm wearing my.	00:08:35
	Ribbon scope, which is a native tradition handed down by our grandmothers.	00:08:37
	And that's something special. And I wore that today just to be here to represent my culture and who I am.	00:08:42
	Just like this community, Amgen is a melting pot of diversity. We've got so much culture amongst.	00:08:47
	Our staff and so for us all to come together.	00:08:53
	To support our community is.	00:08:57
	Very inspiring.	00:08:59
	Somebody that was going to be here tonight that couldn't make it windy. Delgado, who led this community effort this year. Each	00:09:00
	year we have somebody else.	00:09:04
	Leading our.	00:09:08
	Planet with a city of port Wayne me our closer cleanup and Wendy wanted to be here but she had other prior and.	00:09:09
	Engagements and couldn't be here today, but I would like to give a shout out to her because she did lead the port windy efforts.	00:09:15
	I was more focused on the global efforts with over 20 sites.	00:09:22
	Participating in Coastal cleanup this year, we beat our records from last year. In the video it said 19.	00:09:26
	This year we had 20 sites.	00:09:31
	From Singapore Island, Rhode Island, Singapore.	00:09:33
	Ireland.	00:09:37
	The Netherlands. We had Puerto Rico.	00:09:39
	There was just so many of us all coming together and having the resources to support them. That was my job this year.	00:09:44
	And again, I want to thank all of you. City Council member want to give a special shout out to Stephen Gama for making it so easy	00:09:51
	for volunteers to go out on a Saturday.	00:09:56
	And volunteer because if it wasn't for him.	00:10:01
	We put and couldn't do what we do. So thank you Stephen for allowing us to partner with the city of Port Wayne, me on not just.	00:10:03
	Coastal Cleanup, but every Saturday.	00:10:09
	Thank you. Thank you. And we have a little certificate for you of inspiration. And I do want to add that Amgen is so big.	00:10:11
	How big is it?	00:10:18
	We have 3 or 4 different.	00:10:19
	Groups from Amgen that come out.	00:10:21
	And, and it's really inspiring. So this is just the research and engineering group.	00:10:24
	But there's the global marketing group and.	00:10:29
	Another group, I can't recall the name, so we appreciate the effort and.	00:10:33
	Anyone willing to?	00:10:37
	And wanting to come out, come out every Saturday and I'll present this to you and.	00:10:38
	Thank you.	00:10:43
	123.	00:11:07
	Yeah, welcome.	00:11:23
	And thank you, Councilmember Gama. We're going to move on to public comments. So we're going to hear public comments not	00:11:30
	pertaining to the items on the agenda.	00:11:35
	Madam Clerk, do we have any public comments? There will be 3 minutes.	00:11:40
	Yes. And I just wanted to note that we did receive written public comments. They were provided to the City Council prior to this	00:11:43
	meeting. In addition, they have been posted to the cities website and included in the agenda packet binder that's just outside	00:11:48
	this council chamber for the publics review.	00:11:53
	The first person for public comment.	00:11:59
	Becky Bruno.	00:12:01
	And that will be followed by Paul Quigley.	00:12:02
	Good evening, Mayor. Mayor.	00:12:11
	Him, council staff and audience.	00:12:13
	I'm here tonight representing Rook up the Outdoors.	00:12:16
	This Sunday will be our last.	00:12:19
	Fishing day of the year.	00:12:22
	And we are going to have a costume contest, so make sure your kids wear their costumes.	00:12:24
	And come out and just have a great time. We'll be there from 8:00 to 11:00.	00:12:31
	Thank you.	00:12:36
	Paul Quigley.	00:12:37
	Sarah Wachowski, you'll be next.	00:12:45
	Good evening.	00:12:51
	I'm Paul Quickly.	00:12:52
	But when you mean homeowner?	00:12:55
	I wanted to thank the City Council for giving me the opportunity to speak.	00:12:57
	This evening.	00:13:00
	And to express my concerns about the.	00:13:01
	The short term rental ordinance which I understand in.	00:13:05
	First training is going to be two weeks from today.	00:13:07
	I recently purchased a home.	00:13:13
	Just east of the base my.	00:13:15
	What I want to do?	00:13:17
	Is move up.	00:13:18
	Retire I.	00:13:20
	Deliver work in Santa Monica, but.	00:13:21
	Helping retiring.	00:13:23
	Soon SO.	00:13:25
	What my name? You really appealed to me as a Really.	00:13:27
	Small seaside community, very friendly, very intimate.	00:13:30
	And I really.	00:13:33
	Feel welcome here.	00:13:34
	But.	00:13:37
	When I attended the meeting back on June 25th.	00:13:38
	There was a lot of discussion about this survey.	00:13:42
	I want to talk about 3 things. I want to talk about the survey.	00:13:46
	I want to talk about.	00:13:51
	But I think that should be a.	00:13:52
	A more.	00:13:55
	Sound approach on.	00:13:57
	A regulatory strategy.	00:13:58
	And I want to talk about.	00:14:01
	A little bit more about my own personal situation.	00:14:02
	And why?	00:14:04
	Short term rentals.	00:14:06
	Make a lot of sense in my situation.	00:14:07
	My concern?	00:14:10
	With the survey.	00:14:12
	Mainly as.	00:14:14
	The way the sample.	00:14:15
	Size was selected.	00:14:17
	It's a really very small 200.	00:14:19
	200 respondents out of.	00:14:23
	You know, which represents less than 1%.	00:14:24
	Of the entire population.	00:14:28
	I think it's.	00:14:30
	I think it's very anecdotal. It's.	00:14:31
	It's useful information. I think it's.	00:14:33
	My concern is that.	00:14:36
	The city may be running with.	00:14:39
	With data which?	00:14:41
	Is very limited in terms of validity and doesn't really represent.	00:14:43
	What I would call a meaningful cross section of.	00:14:48
	The city population and the entire.	00:14:53
	Housing inventory in the city.	00:14:56
	The survey fails to point out a single problem with short term rentals.	00:15:01
	I don't know. I don't know if you.	00:15:05
	And I was taken back by that.	00:15:08
	There are 50.	00:15:11
	Properties involved with short term rentals and.	00:15:15
	In the city.	00:15:18
	That's like out of 8000 housing units. So it's like.	00:15:20
	Well, what's the problem?	00:15:23
	But the.	00:15:26
	The next thing I really wanted to.	00:15:29
	Mention here is that.	00:15:33
	That there's a better way in terms of.	00:15:34
	Developing this ordinance, it's.	00:15:39
	Getting getting to what the problems are right?	00:15:42
	If it's a noise problem, focus on the noise, don't try to.	00:15:45
	Over regulate.	00:15:48
	And dictate turn turn.	00:15:50
	Terms that relate to.	00:15:52
	Maximum number of occupants per house.	00:15:54
	Sir, we're gonna let you finish your sentence. So finish your sentence and your time is up.	00:15:58
	Thank you. OK.	00:16:02
	All right, so anyway.	00:16:03
	Yeah, go.	00:16:07
	What I'm seeing is a survey that.	00:16:08
	Is very biased. It's it's really.	00:16:10
	An opinion survey. It's a start, but get more.	00:16:13
	Definitive information on where these problems are.	00:16:17
	Thank you. An ordinance around that?	00:16:20
	Thank you.	00:16:22
	Around that your 3 minutes is up Sir.	00:16:23
	Around those problems. OK, yeah, I didn't, I didn't realize I.	00:16:25
	I had a 2 minute limit, 3 minutes. I appreciate the opportunity.	00:16:28
	And.	00:16:33
	Look forward to.	00:16:34
	Uh.	00:16:35
	Third reading, Thanks.	00:16:37
	City Manager, I'll just note, I know it was mentioned, but the we are scheduling that ordinance to be heard at the next council	00:16:40
	meeting.	00:16:43
	And so there will be an opportunity for further discussion at that time.	00:16:48
	Yes, thank you for your comment.	00:16:51
	Hi, good evening, Mayor McQueen Lejeune.	00:16:54
	City Council and city staff.	00:16:58
	My name is Sarah Wilchesky and I am here as part of 805 Immigrant Rapid Response Network and 8:05 and DOCU Fund.	00:16:59
	On October 1st, I just received a huge boost of their funding.	00:17:06
	And since then we have.	00:17:10
	Since then, we have only seen them.	00:17:11
	Get more aggressive and more dangerous in their actions.	00:17:13
	While we have not seen another glass house yet.	00:17:17
	It is only a matter of time.	00:17:20
	Just last week they rammed a volunteer responders car.	00:17:23
	And arrested him.	00:17:27
	That made national news.	00:17:30
	And just happened next door.	00:17:32
	In Oxnard.	00:17:34
	It is now October 20th.	00:17:36
	And we need you to take.	00:17:38
	Tangible action.	00:17:39
	We need you to support our vulnerable immigrant neighbors.	00:17:42
	Continue to investigate what other cities are doing to stand up for their immigrant communities. Host a forum where these issues	00:17:46
	can.	00:17:49
	Be openly discussed.	00:17:52
	Host an immigrant resource.	00:17:54
	Workshop like.	00:17:56
	Moorpark.	00:17:58
	Santa Paula created an immigrant.	00:17:59
	Recreation Committee.	00:18:01
	Oxnard and several other communities have offered their support to the Vasquez Perdomo V Gnome.	00:18:03
	Lawsuit and are looking into joining.	00:18:07
	Newsom V Trump.	00:18:11
	Please consider signing a common interest agreement in both of these lawsuits with the plaintiffs.	00:18:14
	Please consider allocating.	00:18:21
	Portion of the Community benefit fund.	00:18:23
	Towards immigrant legal defense and education.	00:18:25
	There's so much that can be done to support our immigrant community.	00:18:28
	And these are just a start.	00:18:31
	And to the community.	00:18:36
	If you see any ice activity or have been impacted by them.	00:18:37
	Please call or text the 805 Undocumented hotline at 8:05.	00:18:41
	870.	00:18:45
	8855.	00:18:46
	You can also text alerts.	00:18:47
	Or alert us.	00:18:49
	To the hotline to receive alerts when we have a confirmed ice sighting.	00:18:50
	You can also volunteer with us. We haven't.	00:18:54
	Upcoming training in Newbury Park on Monday.	00:18:56
	Thank you.	00:18:59
	Thank you.	00:19:00
	That concludes public comment.	00:19:01
	Great. Thank you.	00:19:03
	Will now move on to agenda approval. May I have a motion and a second to approve the agenda?	00:19:05
	So moved.	00:19:12
	2nd.	00:19:13
	Madam Clark.	00:19:15
	All in favor.	00:19:15
	Aye, all opposed.	00:19:16
	Hearing none, motion passes unanimously.	00:19:18
	Thank you.	00:19:21
	Do any members of Council have any conflict?	00:19:22
	Of interest to disclose regarding any of the agenda items.	00:19:24
	We're going to move on to presentations. We first have Down syndrome Awareness Month proclamation.	00:19:32
	And that's going to be.	00:19:38
	Presented by.	00:19:41
	Councilwoman.	00:19:43
	Councilmember Perez.	00:19:44
	And we're going to ask at this time that police chief.	00:19:46
	Frederico.	00:19:49
	And representative of Winemie Elementary School District. Come on down while we read the proclamation.	00:19:52
	All right.	00:19:59
	I am reading the Down syndrome Awareness Month Proclamation October 2025.	00:20:02
	Whereas October is designated as Down syndrome Awareness Month.	00:20:07
	And whereas Down syndrome is the most survivable genetic different.	00:20:11
	Affecting one in every.	00:20:15
	733.	00:20:17
	Live births in the United States.	00:20:19
	And whereas.	00:20:21
	Trisomy 21, the most common type of Down syndrome, is caused by.	00:20:24
	An extra third copy of the 21st chromosome.	00:20:28
	And whereas the genes on the extra chromosome interact with other genes, causing varying degrees of learning difficulties.	00:20:33
	As well as physical disabilities.	00:20:40
	The learning difficulties or degree of intellectual disability.	00:20:42
	Can be mild to severe.	00:20:46
	But most commonly fall somewhere in the moderate area.	00:20:48
	And whereas individuals with Down syndrome.	00:20:52
	Have physical charac.	00:20:55
	Characteristics similar to a family.	00:20:56
	Or ethnic resemblance.	00:20:58
	Individuals with Down syndrome are also just that.	00:21:00
	Individuals.	00:21:03
	The effects of the extra chromosome.	00:21:04
	Do not affect each person the same.	00:21:06
	The exact same way.	00:21:08
	There are common physical character.	00:21:10
	Heuristics of Down syndrome.	00:21:12
	Among individuals, however.	00:21:14
	The degree of physical.	00:21:16
	Characteristics also varies among individuals.	00:21:18
	And whereas children with Down syndrome are educated in many different ways.	00:21:20
	However, early intervention and early education are key to the individual's development.	00:21:25
	Some individuals participate in special needs education.	00:21:31
	And also all inclusive education settings.	00:21:34
	Including extracurricular.	00:21:37
	Programs for both of those areas.	00:21:39
	And whereas many adults with Down syndrome.	00:21:42
	Live independently.	00:21:44
	Live in living programs or with their families.	00:21:46
	Many individuals have jobs either working independently or with a job coach.	00:21:49
	Some individuals attend day programs that focus on special activities.	00:21:54
	And whereas people with Down syndrome.	00:21:59
	Often find a lot of satisfaction in the activities that they participate in and experience.	00:22:01
	Most individuals with Down syndrome.	00:22:07
	Grow.	00:22:09
	Learn and function well within all communities.	00:22:09
	One area of strength for individuals with Down syndrome.	00:22:13
	Is their social skills.	00:22:16
	Which often exceed their academic achievements and help them to achieve a happy and productive life.	00:22:17
	Now therefore be it proclaimed that the City Council of Port Winemie.	00:22:24
	Hereby recognizes October 2025.	00:22:28
	As Down syndrome Awareness Month.	00:22:31
	In the city of Port Wayne, ME.	00:22:33
	And encourages the community to support the quality of life.	00:22:34
	For individuals with Down syndrome.	00:22:38
	By promoting inclusion.	00:22:40
	Acceptance, community connections, and awareness of individuals with Down syndrome.	00:22:41
	Proclaimed this 20th day of October 2025.	00:22:47
	And thank you. And as in the Pasture Police Department.	00:22:54
	Will be wearing our blue and yellow.	00:22:57
	Sport Down syndrome awareness pins.	00:22:59
	Your commissioner cameo here is also wearing her blue pin here on her.	00:23:02
	Her her blue and yellow ribbon with the badge on it as well.	00:23:06
	Here we have for you tonight.	00:23:10
	Our friends across the street.	00:23:12
	From our Waimea school district.	00:23:14
	Superintendent Christine Walker's hiding back there and.	00:23:17
	Super awesome leader amongst us.	00:23:20
	And who we invited here tonight was.	00:23:23
	Staff from the.	00:23:27
	The special needs education department.	00:23:29
	Which is Stephanie and Aaron.	00:23:32
	And Stephanie is their director.	00:23:34
	And.	00:23:36
	Most parents in the special needs world will remind everybody.	00:23:38
	In this great country of ours, we don't.	00:23:42
	Need to put our kids with special needs in private schools?	00:23:45
	Some of the best education that comes to our kids with special needs is from our public schools.	00:23:49
	You just need a combination of two things.	00:23:54
	You need.	00:23:56
	Teachers and staff that care.	00:23:58
	And you need to make sure that there's funding for it.	00:24:01
	In the schools.	00:24:03
	And we're fortunate to have that so.	00:24:04
	We have great staff here.	00:24:07
	In this school district.	00:24:09
	And we're happy to have them here.	00:24:11
	OK.	00:24:16
	Hello.	00:24:18
	I wanted to say something too.	00:24:21
	I took a bit short though, my dad told me.	00:24:27
	So I want to say.	00:24:31
	About those these these two teachers.	00:24:33
	Because they.	00:24:39
	Pretty good and I want to say they.	00:24:42
	I wanted to thank them.	00:24:46
	They happened teaching.	00:24:51
	The specialist, the students with Darling Drum, just just like me.	00:24:54
	Because.	00:24:59
	I also have.	00:25:01
	Umm doesn't do them too. And I asked Butcher knees too.	00:25:02
	And I want to say.	00:25:07
	I want to thank them.	00:25:10
	For their support and I want to thank them for.	00:25:13
	Good job for changing them.	00:25:18
	To teach them love and change and teach them.	00:25:20
	Has it be? Has it be?	00:25:24
	Praise my and it needs to be.	00:25:28
	To be more.	00:25:32
	Independent to.	00:25:35
	For their independence.	00:25:38
	And they had to be.	00:25:41
	And I don't just like me.	00:25:43
	I am 26.	00:25:47
	Years old.	00:25:49
	And they have to be.	00:25:50
	Very umm.	00:25:52
	Very unpredictable.	00:25:56
	What their lives?	00:25:58
	Thank you.	00:26:01
	Well, thank you for having us tonight.	00:26:13
	My name is Stephanie Barnes and I am the Director of our People Support Services at Winimi Elementary School District. This is my	00:26:15
	colleague.	00:26:19
	Erin Murphy, She's program specialist, but.	00:26:23
	The honor is all ours.	00:26:27
	To serve our students and our families. So thank you again for for having us tonight.	00:26:28
	So thank you.	00:26:34
	Thank you.	00:26:36
	And present the proclamation and get a photo.	00:26:40
	123.	00:26:59
	Good job, Cameo.	00:27:14
	Good job, Cameo.	00:27:18
	And thank you all for coming out.	00:27:22
	And we're going to move to our next proclamation.	00:27:24
	It's in recognition of Cybersecurity Awareness Month, so I'd like to welcome our Deputy City Manager, Charles.	00:27:29
	Carettes and our IT manager.	00:27:35
	Aaron Wiedemeyer.	00:27:37
	While they come up, Councilmember Hernandez is going to read the proclamation.	00:27:39
	Thank you, Mayor.	00:27:44
	October 2025 is National Cybersecurity Awareness Month.	00:27:46
	WHEREAS, October is known as National Cybersecurity Awareness Month and is intended to raise awareness of protecting our data and	00:27:50
	technologies from malicious hackers and cyber threats.	00:27:54
	And whereas, the theme for Cybersecurity Awareness Month 2025 is Stay Safe Online.	00:28:00
	And whereas we recognize the importance of support, why NIMI citizens realizing the positive impacts?	00:28:06
	Of our digital future.	00:28:11
	And WHEREAS, we encourage all Port Wine EMI residents and city staff to learn more about cybersecurity.	00:28:13
	In both their work.	00:28:19
	And home environments and whereas the city works actively.	00:28:20
	To instruct.	00:28:24
	And test staff.	00:28:25
	And City Council members, it should say, e-mail users on social engineering.	00:28:26
	Phishing attempts and whereas while cyber security awareness is important.	00:28:31
	To address.	00:28:35
	Year round, Cybersecurity Awareness Month provides A dedicated time.	00:28:36
	To remember each of us has a part to play in keeping ourselves.	00:28:40
	And others safe.	00:28:44
	And whereas, according to the National Cybersecurity Alliance, 2023.	00:28:45
	Oh, behave. Report 84.	00:28:50
	84% of people considered online safety a priority.	00:28:52
	But only 38% of people used unique passwords.	00:28:56
	For all their accounts.	00:28:59
	And whereas we use this month to honor all of the cybersecurity professionals.	00:29:01
	Who are working tireless to defend our digital world now therefore be it proclaimed that the City Council of the City of Port	00:29:05
	Wayne, me does.	00:29:09
	Hereby recognize October 2025.	00:29:13
	Has Cybersecurity Awareness month.	00:29:16
	And encourages the community to spread awareness for this important.	00:29:18
	Proclaim this 20th day of October, 2025.	00:29:22
	Charles Aaron, thank you for your good work.	00:29:26
	Well, thank you for the proclamation and thank you for the opportunity to to share that information We all.	00:29:29
	Hear stories in the news about cyber attacks and and hacking stories so.	00:29:35
	We know that we should be mindful of cybersecurity dangers, but for too many of us I think it falls lower on the To Do List so.	00:29:41
	It's important that we take moments like this to pause and reflect and think about.	00:29:47
	The things that we can do to make sure that we are.	00:29:52
	More secure. Just last week the Ray Puter library had an event.	00:29:55
	To share information to members of the public.	00:29:59
	About cybersecurity concerns and things they can do to be safer.	00:30:02
	And we wanted to take this opportunity.	00:30:05
	To have the proclamation and share some information.	00:30:07
	In that regard as as well so.	00:30:09
	With that.	00:30:11
	I'm going to turn it over to Aaron Wiedemeyer, our IT manager, who can share a few words about the things that the city does.	00:30:12
	To stay safe.	00:30:18
	And some tips and tricks for members of the public as well.	00:30:19
	Thank you.	00:30:22
	I'd also like to thank City Council for taking the time to recognize the continuing importance of cybersecurity.	00:30:24
	With this proclamation and also with your continued support in approving the budgets when we make those requests for those.	00:30:30
	Items.	00:30:37
	It's extremely important to remember that cyber criminals do not take a day off.	00:30:38
	They are always.	00:30:44
	Busy trying to hack into our systems and it's equally important for city staff.	00:30:48
	And for the public?	00:30:55
	To be.	00:30:56
	Cognizant of those activities.	00:30:58
	The city does have extensive protections in place.	00:31:01
	We have our Internet firewalls.	00:31:04
	We have antivirus software on all of our computers.	00:31:07
	We do regular penetration testing to.	00:31:11
	Find potential issues that we need to address.	00:31:14
	And again the.	00:31:18
	Continual staff training to recognize those attempts at fishing.	00:31:20
	As a gateway to get into our network.	00:31:25
	City residents may not be able to afford full firewalls.	00:31:28
	But it's extremely important to keep their antivirus software on all of their devices and to keep that.	00:31:33
	Software up to date.	00:31:39
	There are many vendors on the Internet who provide free antivirus software.	00:31:41
	If you do a Google search or whatever your favorite browser is.	00:31:47
	You can find many of those services for free.	00:31:51
	And like Mr. Perez mentioned, the local agencies like the Ventura County Library continued to have that.	00:31:56
	Education for the public.	00:32:03
	Generally, I believe it was free.	00:32:05
	Free stuff, so it's important to be aware of.	00:32:07
	Those emerging cyber threats and, and those are excellent places for.	00:32:12
	The public to go to.	00:32:17
	Residents should really remain vigilant.	00:32:21
	About the phishing e-mail attempts.	00:32:23
	And one simple example is if you're not expecting something from your bank or from a vendor.	00:32:26
	Don't click on any of the links.	00:32:33
	If if you're concerned about what happened there.	00:32:35
	Use your independent saved link that you use on a regular basis to go to the.	00:32:39
	The bank or the website or if you have an app on your phone, use your app on your phone. Don't click on any of those links. They	00:32:44
	may look like they are legitimate, but.	00:32:48
	They're probably not.	00:32:53
	And then in closing.	00:32:56
	The old adage remains true even in our digital world.	00:32:57
	If it seems too good to be true.	00:33:01
	It probably is.	00:33:03
	I have a question. Thank you. Yes.	00:33:06
	Can you?	00:33:08
	So when I look at antivirus software and and you know all that.	00:33:10
	Sometimes I feel like, well, this could be.	00:33:14
	A fishing What about this one? What about that one? So.	00:33:17
	Could you provide us a list of what?	00:33:21
	You, the expert, would recommend as a top three.	00:33:23
	For us to consider.	00:33:27
	Is that possible?	00:33:28
	I'm not prepared with that, to tell you the honest truth.	00:33:29
	Can I remember the name of the one I?	00:33:34
	Personally at home.	00:33:36
	I can't. Yeah. Maybe that's something you can bring back to us.	00:33:39
	OK, umm.	00:33:43
	Yeah, I could like I say the the if you do the the search on the Internet, especially for the free services and.	00:33:44
	They come up. They're the top list in.	00:33:52
	If you look at any related reviews, you'll see who is doing a good job, but pretty much all of them do a good job. They do want	00:33:56
	you to pay for service.	00:34:01
	They will send you an ad every week or month saying hey.	00:34:07
	While you have the basic security on, we could do all this extra stuff for you. 4 feet.	00:34:11
	But that basic security is really.	00:34:16
	The important first level of protection so that you.	00:34:19
	Keep your devices secure.	00:34:22
	Great. Thank you. Any other questions?	00:34:26
	Any questions?	00:34:28
	Thank you for your report. Thank you so much for your presentation.	00:34:29
	I'm going to present the proclamation. Yes, sorry, I want to.	00:34:33
	Do something a little different, have the mayor, mayor Pro Tem, I present this and then the rest of the council.	00:34:37
	Sure. Come on, Mayor Pro Tem.	00:34:43
	Sure.	00:34:45
	123.	00:35:05
	Thank you, Aaron. Thank you, Charles.	00:35:10
	And for our final presentation, we have.	00:35:25
	With US Beacon executive director Mark.	00:35:28
	And forgive me, I don't.	00:35:31
	Pronounce your name correctly. Have a couple of them. Baylor will be given a presentation via Zoom. I understand we will be joined	00:35:33
	by.	00:35:36
	Doctor Kiki.	00:35:40
	And let's see. And then we have Mr. Oh.	00:35:45
	Mr. Brian Brennan.	00:35:48
	Here in person.	00:35:50
	OK, wonderful.	00:35:52
	So thank you all for joining. So we'll turn it over to you, Mr. Baylor.	00:35:54
	Yes, thank you. I hope you all can hear me well.	00:36:02
	Yes.	00:36:05
	Yes, we can.	00:36:09
	Well, thank you for.	00:36:11
	Inviting Beacon to provide a little background.	00:36:13
	To the City Council today, I want to say.	00:36:16
	Beacons excited to.	00:36:19
	Attend City Council again.	00:36:21
	Meeting of the Port Windy City of Port Wayne, ME City Council.	00:36:24
	And I'm always, I'm going to say this as I start I'm.	00:36:27
	Always blown away.	00:36:30
	By the level of citizen.	00:36:32
	Government representative.	00:36:36
	It's just, it blows my mind, the partnership that I see in your community.	00:36:39
	So as somebody who?	00:36:44
	Had to follow amazing presentations I just can't even imagine.	00:36:45
	And I go to a lot of civic.	00:36:49
	Functions.	00:36:51
	You're blessed.	00:36:52
	With the people that live.	00:36:54
	In Port Winemian, support all your actions and I think they're blessed to have you as well.	00:36:55
	So with that.	00:37:00
	If I can, I just wanted to.	00:37:01
	Before I.	00:37:03
	Turn on my.	00:37:04
	Zoom say that yes I'm.	00:37:05
	Supported today by Doctor Kiki Patch from Cal State University, Channel Islands.	00:37:08
	Just.	00:37:12
	Up the street.	00:37:13
	And by Brian Brennan, who was.	00:37:15
	Just up the street the other way.	00:37:17
	In Ventura.	00:37:20
	Who's a special projects representative?	00:37:22
	And I want to thank you for letting me come not.	00:37:26
	In person tonight.	00:37:29
	Which I've done in the past, but by Zoom.	00:37:30
	To accommodate.	00:37:33
	My situation, my condition tonight, so.	00:37:35
	Thank you very much.	00:37:37
	I do want to just say a few things.	00:37:38
	Few words about Beacon before I get into the.	00:37:40
	Several points I want to make.	00:37:42
	In response to the invitation.	00:37:44
	But let me see if I can share my screen.	00:37:46
	And.	00:37:49
	Get it up.	00:37:54
	And start it.	00:37:56
	And now you should all be able to see my screen.	00:37:58
	Is that correct?	00:38:03
	Yes.	00:38:06
	Thank you very much for telling me that.	00:38:07
	So as I said, I wanted to start.	00:38:09
	With just.	00:38:12
	A couple background points.	00:38:15
	I know you're all very educated and you spend a lot of time on the topics.	00:38:17
	But I just want to remind us all.	00:38:21
	Of the landscape.	00:38:24
	A beacon.	00:38:25
	And the structure of Beacon.	00:38:26
	So Beacon covers what we call the Santa Barbara Littoral cell.	00:38:28
	From the source of our sediment and sands.	00:38:32
	To the in state of the loss of our sediment and sands in this natural catchment area.	00:38:35
	Drained by our river streams.	00:38:40
	And creeks.	00:38:42
	That are served by our regional.	00:38:43
	Coastal draining watersheds.	00:38:47
	Very important.	00:38:49
	Landscape and beacon.	00:38:51
	Is is comparisons of the six coastal cities in the South Coast.	00:38:53
	We know it sometimes.	00:38:57
	And the two counties.	00:38:59
	And our beat.	00:39:01
	As it were.	00:39:03
	Our our sandy beaches and our coastal resources.	00:39:04
	And in a large measure.	00:39:08
	Santa Maria sand.	00:39:10
	And Kuyama sand.	00:39:13
	Is Santa Barbara and Ventura's beaches.	00:39:15
	It's a very long scale.	00:39:19
	Presentation.	00:39:20
	But that's how the system dynamics works and you'll.	00:39:21
	You know that and we'll talk about a little bit tonight.	00:39:24
	It's with also a bit of humility that I say that Beacon is supported.	00:39:28
	By the 8 member jurisdictions with.	00:39:33
	And that you, the City Council and your staff and your representatives.	00:39:36
	Have supported.	00:39:40
	A beacon is part of the.	00:39:41
	Partnership.	00:39:43
	And the.	00:39:44
	Chorus, as it were.	00:39:45
	Of trying to advance our policy of.	00:39:46
	Preserving our coastal resources while providing for.	00:39:48
	A very robust human use.	00:39:51
	So with that, I just want to say a couple things.	00:39:54
	That.	00:39:57
	What? Why Beacon?	00:39:58
	Why would you?	00:40:01
	Get together with your.	00:40:03
	Colleagues and other jurisdictions.	00:40:04
	One because of scale because.	00:40:06
	The littoral cell really is a very large 100, almost 150 miles.	00:40:08
	Geography of our coast.	00:40:12
	And because.	00:40:14
	We again as we do our projects.	00:40:15
	Preserving our sandy beaches through a variety of means, but meets nourishment is 1. We know in the absence of this.	00:40:18
	Management activity and enhanced activity.	00:40:25
	We really do.	00:40:27
	Have the threat of losing.	00:40:30
	A great deal of our sandy beaches.	00:40:32
	And as well as our coastal infrastructure.	00:40:35
	So we support.	00:40:39
	Beach nourishment projects in a variety of locations in the region.	00:40:40
	Environmentally, ecologically sound.	00:40:44
	Beach nursing projects. We don't want to destroy the beach to save it.	00:40:47
	We want to preserve it for multiple values of its habitat.	00:40:51
	It's cultural, it's economic.	00:40:55
	For all the values.	00:40:57
	That it represents.	00:40:59
	It's very inspiring to hear.	00:41:02
	About.	00:41:04
	The beach cleanup efforts Both.	00:41:04
	Your city.	00:41:07
	But also again of your partnership and to hear the stories of people who volunteer based on.	00:41:09
	In some measure.	00:41:14
	What they did with their parents when they were children.	00:41:16
	How they learned about.	00:41:19
	The place they say they love and that they want to save and preserve for their children.	00:41:21
	It's amazing, just amazing stories.	00:41:26
	But one of the reasons we want to save our beach is for.	00:41:28
	Our own use and for future.	00:41:31
	Generations use.	00:41:33
	Beacon is particularly.	00:41:38
	Active.	00:41:39
	In collaborating to continue to develop the continued nourishment of Winemie Beach.	00:41:40
	And we do this through a variety of means.	00:41:47
	And I'm not going to report them all except to say that.	00:41:49
	In the absence of this coordination and collaboration.	00:41:53
	We will not.	00:41:57
	Mobilize sufficient resources.	00:41:58
	To keep this enterprise.	00:42:00
	Fully funded and operational.	00:42:03
	And even with that.	00:42:06
	It's a very difficult enterprise.	00:42:07
	And we'll just talk about the scale and the.	00:42:10
	And the structure of why we do.	00:42:12
	The bypassing to provide beach nourishment currently on.	00:42:14
	Winimi Beach and why it's a continuing obligation.	00:42:19
	And that's why we have a larger partnership.	00:42:22
	And we're very committed to this.	00:42:24
	Partnership.	00:42:26
	In support.	00:42:27
	So, Long story short.	00:42:28
	The development of the port of Winimi, both the civilian port of Winimi and the military.	00:42:31
	Naval Base.	00:42:36
	Has had long, immediate and long standing impacts on the down.	00:42:37
	Sure, current.	00:42:42
	And the littoral drift.	00:42:44
	Supplying sand to our.	00:42:46
	Beaches and this was noted.	00:42:49
	Early.	00:42:52
	In the.	00:42:52
	Operation of the two operations and a plan to address this.	00:42:54
	Started in the 50s and you know this story, but it bears.	00:42:59
	Repeating.	00:43:02
	That again in the absence of action.	00:43:03
	We would have already lost these beach resources and you've seen that in previous times.	00:43:06
	When we didn't put enough sand on the beach.	00:43:11
	2013 would be.	00:43:13
	The case study of that.	00:43:14
	Let me go back please and I know I only have a short time.	00:43:16
	What I want to?	00:43:21
	What I want to describe is.	00:43:22
	What is the solution?	00:43:24
	For the maintenance.	00:43:26
	Of Wanimi Beach.	00:43:28
	Its continued regional sediment management activities.	00:43:30
	And sand bypass.	00:43:33
	Because it is.	00:43:35
	That is the solution for the problem we created with the installation of the bases and it interrupts the sand.	00:43:36
	And the sand is then collected.	00:43:42
	As a function of the engineering of Channel Islands Harbor.	00:43:44
	And then mechanically.	00:43:47
	Dredged and pumped.	00:43:49
	To the City Beach.	00:43:50
	On a federal obligation.	00:43:52
	Both federal Corps of Engineers.	00:43:53
	And the US Navy.	00:43:55
	And it takes a village.	00:43:57
	To maintain these systems that are very complex, very large scale.	00:44:00
	And require many people to.	00:44:06
	Partnership over many generations.	00:44:08
	Of leaders and citizens.	00:44:11
	Because remember now we've said this has been.	00:44:13
	Planned for since the 50s, but this bypassing operation has been in operation since.	00:44:16
	1963 I believe 1964.	00:44:20
	To some great success and when it.	00:44:24
	Falls fail.	00:44:26
	Or it stumbles.	00:44:28
	We see the results of that.	00:44:29
	I just wanted to.	00:44:32
	Remind us.	00:44:33
	Because not always go out and see. I was recently out to see some of the dredging and some people have showed me some pictures	00:44:34
	even of the current dredging, the scale of operations.	00:44:38
	This is a very large scale, very expensive operation.	00:44:42
	And I dare say that we need an integrated.	00:44:46
	Partnership strategy. The federal state.	00:44:49
	Regional and local.	00:44:52
	Efforts to keep it going in the way that we.	00:44:55
	We want to have a sustained beach.	00:44:57
	On in Wynemie.	00:45:00
	And just to conclude with this very.	00:45:04
	Overview Uh.	00:45:08
	Story of why we're doing what we're doing.	00:45:10
	And we can get into.	00:45:13
	Suggestions for?	00:45:14
	Improvements and variations, but why we're doing this? Why we need to continue to do it?	00:45:16
	Why it requires our support even as we.	00:45:21
	Advance the state-of-the-art to.	00:45:23
	To do it.	00:45:25
	In 2013, we did not do it. We fell short.	00:45:26
	On the obligation for placing sand.	00:45:29
	Within weeks if not.	00:45:32
	Days there was no beach in the city and we the infrastructure that you consider essential to your coastal.	00:45:34
	Resource District.	00:45:42
	Was absolutely threatened.	00:45:44
	And so.	00:45:46
	It's not that.	00:45:48
	Beacon for lack of effort, or the city for lack of better, or the County of Ventura?	00:45:50
	Or, for that matter, our federal representatives.	00:45:56
	That we need to maintain this and that in large measure we've done it.	00:45:59
	But we haven't done it because every time we have to reauthorize it.	00:46:03
	It's another battle over funding.	00:46:07
	And permitting.	00:46:10
	But with that I'm going to stop because.	00:46:12
	I said we only had 10 minutes.	00:46:14
	Doctor Patch and I She represents the.	00:46:16
	The Science Advisory Committee. She's a consultant to Beacon. She is your.	00:46:19
	Local expert.	00:46:24
	On sand budgets.	00:46:25
	On the geomorphology of.	00:46:27
	Sand movement.	00:46:29
	On sand transport.	00:46:30
	And fate.	00:46:33
	So we have the expert here and Kiki, I think one thing I will say, Doctor Patch, sorry.	00:46:34
	Is that?	00:46:39
	She has participated in it and helped us lead our Sand Summit series that we do.	00:46:39
	Annually. Umm.	00:46:45
	To exchange information that has been absolutely essential.	00:46:46
	It's a long wave activity, it's not a tomorrow thing.	00:46:49
	But.	00:46:51
	I think Doctor Patch has shown her commitment to.	00:46:53
	Participate in.	00:46:55
	In whatever.	00:46:56
	The feasible options are for future actions.	00:46:58
	That can address the sustainability of Winimi Beach and then.	00:47:01
	We have in the audience.	00:47:05
	Brian Brennan, who's been involved with Beacon for a very, very long time.	00:47:07
	And is an expert in his own.	00:47:11
	Right on sediment dynamics and coastal policy around sediment.	00:47:14
	And has led some of the charge in Ventura around.	00:47:18
	Doing a long standing coastal restoration project. So with that I'll stop.	00:47:22
	Sorry to talk too long.	00:47:27
	Answer any questions you might have.	00:47:29
	Here's my last slide, sorry.	00:47:33
	Let's see, unshare my screen. Sorry, you can't look at my screen. Jeez.	00:47:46
	Oh, there it is.	00:47:54
	OK, if there's another presentation.	00:47:56
	Go ahead and move forward.	00:47:57
	Doctor Patch, did you have anything?	00:48:01
	Oh no, I am here just supporting Mark if anybody had any questions.	00:48:04
	OK.	00:48:09
	Are there any questions?	00:48:11
	Any questions? I have questions, go ahead.	00:48:14
	So, uh.	00:48:16
	As Port Wayne, Amy is you know.	00:48:17
	As you can see, this has been going on for.	00:48:20
	Since since that port was dredged.	00:48:22
	Is there anything?	00:48:25
	Ousted in the United states or else in the world that has a similar issue that.	00:48:27
	That like a big engineering.	00:48:31
	Scope of work has been done to to change the flow of.	00:48:36
	Sand movement.	00:48:40
	Just, you know, just to keep dredging as the only first option.	00:48:42
	Is there any re engineering that could be done?	00:48:48
	To change.	00:48:52
	To change the flow of the sand.	00:48:53
	Iki, I'm going to let you answer that question, but.	00:48:59
	I appreciate.	00:49:02
	The question I'm going to repeat just a couple, just a point and that is.	00:49:03
	This is the re engineering.	00:49:10
	Activity that can be done.	00:49:13
	To address the.	00:49:14
	Problem that was created when we installed the facilities.	00:49:15
	Now beacon is never.	00:49:21
	Afraid to and encourages.	00:49:24
	The community of practice to consider.	00:49:26
	How it can be done or what else can be done but beacon?	00:49:29
	Has in its.	00:49:33
	Policies and plans to date in the absence of an effective.	00:49:34
	Other alternative because this is the engineering choice.	00:49:39
	To support this, but as I say.	00:49:42
	We are research and a policy organization.	00:49:43
	And we can.	00:49:46
	As you might have noted in the.	00:49:47
	Ethernet around the Magoo question. The submarine Canyon question.	00:49:50
	There's a lot of questions around bypass.	00:49:54
	Not bypass sediment retention structure.	00:49:56
	So we're always.	00:50:00
	In the market?	00:50:01
	For trying to answer the question you just posed.	00:50:03
	And I don't remember, I can't see who asked it, but.	00:50:07
	Respectfully, uh.	00:50:10
	It's it's not that we're not.	00:50:11
	Structured to do that.	00:50:13
	But this is the.	00:50:15
	Reengineering of the coast to get the sand in the right place.	00:50:17
	OK, we had Kiki not to interrupt you. Sorry it is. No, I I have a quick answer basically is.	00:50:21
	We basically made our harbors before we really understood how sand moves down the coast. So what happened was.	00:50:26
	Really, the Santa Barbara Harbor kind of started it all. And we we.	00:50:34
	Created that harbor and then a few years later we had devastating erosion down in Carpinteria area and that really led to a lot of	00:50:38
	the science that.	00:50:42
	That made us really understand how waves push sand along the coast, where the sand is supplied from and how it's moving along the	00:50:47
	coast. So that was really for the whole United States, the first kind of wake up call that we needed to sort of engineer ourselves	00:50:53
	out of our engineered problems.	00:50:59
	And so with Port Winemi it.	00:51:05
	It just unfortunately is at the very end of a very large.	00:51:08
	Literal cell.	00:51:14
	And so for a lot of the harbors up and down the coast, if they're at the top of a literal cell and don't have a lot of sediment	00:51:15
	coming down, they don't have a big.	00:51:20
	Dredging problem like Crescent City Harbor, Dana Point Harbor, they're at the very.	00:51:25
	Start of a cell, so they don't really have a problem.	00:51:29
	The port Wainebi Harbor.	00:51:32
	We now understand is that the very end and has a huge dredging requirement. So that was why the engineers.	00:51:34
	Brainstormed what they can do, you know, we look at things like.	00:51:43
	Permeable groins, but that doesn't work at a harbor mouth because it'll fill in the navigation channel.	00:51:46
	So with this one in particular and the need to keep that navigation channel to a.	00:51:51
	Regulated depth.	00:51:56
	We have to.	00:51:58
	Catch that sand before it goes into the harbor mouth and bypass it to the other side.	00:51:59
	So it really is.	00:52:05
	At this point the best available.	00:52:06
	Science that we have is this sort of dredging process and.	00:52:09
	Channel Islands harbor was dredged with the intent of catching as much of that sand as we can with the way that the.	00:52:13
	The pier and the OR the groins were developed, and the jetties were developed to actually be an excellent sand trap.	00:52:20
	So that combination of Channel Islands Harbor and Port Winemi is actually a very effective engineering solution to.	00:52:26
	Sort of the problem we created.	00:52:34
	With this harbor at the very end of the cell.	00:52:35
	OK, so I have one more question SO.	00:52:40
	The sand traps that we have.	00:52:44
	They seem pretty effective at.	00:52:46
	You know, trapped in the sand.	00:52:48
	Would it be viable to have like?	00:52:51
	Like a tunnel.	00:52:54
	Underground that actually.	00:52:55
	You know a barge can actually hook up.	00:52:57
	That is.	00:53:00
	You know, pre positioned.	00:53:00
	And you could just start pumping sand.	00:53:02
	Without having to lay.	00:53:05
	Any groundwork down?	00:53:07
	I believe they tried that at one point, Mark. Correct me if I'm wrong, but at some places they do have, sort of.	00:53:10
	Permanent pipes that are.	00:53:17
	Put in that will sort of go underneath the harbor as you're saying, sort of like down at the bottom and come out the other side	00:53:19
	where they will then connect into.	00:53:23
	And sort of.	00:53:28
	Pump, but I don't think they do that there anymore.	00:53:29
	Do you know Mark?	00:53:33
	Oh, they don't. And the.	00:53:34
	I think the best analog would be Oceanside Heart.	00:53:35
	Yeah, they did that.	00:53:38
	And to to getting your question about.	00:53:40
	Are there?	00:53:43
	Any re engineering?	00:53:45
	Options.	00:53:47
	So I want to break it down a little bit because I want to be, I want to be responsive.	00:53:48
	The concern I've heard.	00:53:53
	And the concern we've had in funding it is that it's incredibly expensive.	00:53:54
	Like really expensive.	00:53:59
	And the costs are mounting.	00:54:01
	And then everyone talks about the conditions under which we do the dredging.	00:54:02
	All these.	00:54:06
	Micro issues. They're macro issues, but.	00:54:07
	Micro issues.	00:54:09
	And So what I want to suggest is that.	00:54:11
	We could analyze and you can think this through as a.	00:54:15
	As a logic problem.	00:54:18
	What are the dimensions of the concern around the current engineered solutions?	00:54:20
	Well, you just.	00:54:25
	I mentioned one thing is the.	00:54:26
	Is the.	00:54:28
	Pieces of equipment and how they're hooked together in a.	00:54:29
	Treatment Train.	00:54:33
	To get us the sand at the right location.	00:54:35
	We have a lot of buried.	00:54:37
	Elements of piping.	00:54:39
	That.	00:54:41
	Kept installed. Santa Barbara is a good example and I think we just did it here a little bit.	00:54:42
	The tunnel idea I.	00:54:48
	I do not think.	00:54:49
	Has been.	00:54:50
	Viable in locations where it's been tried.	00:54:51
	And then we get to the bar.	00:54:55
	And the barging.	00:54:56
	And bargain is both a physical and mechanical.	00:54:58
	Process, but it's an economic, political and managerial process.	00:55:01
	And I know.	00:55:06
	That we could do.	00:55:07
	Better.	00:55:09
	And trying to figure out.	00:55:10
	What's the best?	00:55:12
	Program, if we're going to have dredging to address some of the concerns about dredging.	00:55:13
	Santa Barbara has an electric dredge.	00:55:18
	Waianimi and Channel Islands Harbor has a.	00:55:21
	Diesel.	00:55:24
	Dredge. The conditions under which you can dredge are very variable by weather and other conditions.	00:55:25
	And the way in which we could imagine.	00:55:32
	That, uh.	00:55:35
	And I love I'm going to say this about Waiani. I cannot believe how.	00:55:36
	Sophisticated you all are.	00:55:40
	You have a skunk works in your own port.	00:55:41
	Where we could do all these things, imagine an electric future.	00:55:44
	Which you're imagining for the port.	00:55:49
	Based on the last storm, anyways.	00:55:50
	But imagine how we could change maybe some of the technology.	00:55:53
	Some of the economics.	00:55:56
	Some of the.	00:55:58
	Mobilization and some of the cost and This is why I think your point is important to respond to. So where we do bury pipe.	00:55:59
	The mobilization of.	00:56:07
	Putting a pipe down every 24 months is.	00:56:08
	Eliminated.	00:56:11
	We can.	00:56:12
	Be more cost effective.	00:56:13
	Or at least we can look at more cost effective.	00:56:15
	Ways to do our work. I believe that's true.	00:56:18
	We are on a regional level. We.	00:56:21
	Talk to our colleagues and they say.	00:56:23
	Why don't you buy a dredge?	00:56:25
	You're always saying the dredge is this, the dredge is that.	00:56:27
	Everything comes with cost. There's no free good.	00:56:30
	And it's like Owen or lease in a car or anything else.	00:56:33
	Do you really want to own that responsibility? Because if you own it.	00:56:37
	Then you might.	00:56:41
	Have to.	00:56:42
	Fund more of it, not less of it.	00:56:42
	So I'm going to point out these reasons not to discuss this and not to analyze this.	00:56:44
	But to understand them.	00:56:50
	The.	00:56:51
	Text in which this.	00:56:52
	Conversation can and should take place.	00:56:53
	Thank you for the patience in listening to us.	00:56:56
	Great. Thank you. And just for information, that was our mayor Pro Tem.	00:57:00
	Lopez.	00:57:04
	Thank you so much.	00:57:05
	Great. And I think Councilmember Hernandez had a comment.	00:57:06
	Hello, Mark. Hi, Doctor Patch, Laura Hernandez, your alternate on Beacon.	00:57:09
	I just had a question that I haven't been able to get a straight answer on. Or maybe I just missed missed the information	00:57:14
	somewhere along.	00:57:18
	The many discussions we've had over this issue of dredging and replenishing our beaches.	00:57:22
	Um, with the.	00:57:28
	Dismantling of Matilla ha damn.	00:57:29
	If and when that happens.	00:57:32
	What are the possibilities of the?	00:57:35
	The sediment that comes down.	00:57:37
	That riverbed will help.	00:57:40
	Address our situation here.	00:57:44
	At Waimea, what are the possibilities that that?	00:57:46
	Will be one of the solutions.	00:57:48
	Well, so.	00:57:51
	Doctor Patch described.	00:57:53
	That you're at the end of the pipe, so to speak.	00:57:55
	And you have.	00:57:58
	Two important barriers.	00:58:00
	Yours, the sand from Matillaha Dam would have to be bypassed twice.	00:58:03
	To get to Waeneme.	00:58:08
	And we'll do that. We will bypass it twice and we will get a twinemi and you will have your.	00:58:09
	Ventura River watershed.	00:58:14
	Sand. That's the scale at which we can't predict how long that would take to get into those catchment areas and be bypassed.	00:58:16
	But if you think of it as a system.	00:58:23
	And this again is.	00:58:26
	Answering to you or into the.	00:58:27
	Mayor Pro Tem, if you think of it, in the system in which we in the past, we presented it.	00:58:29
	Then the pieces of the system.	00:58:34
	Should be analyzed in the context of the regional.	00:58:38
	So that we can have the regional, federal, local funding.	00:58:40
	Solution approach.	00:58:44
	And then work on these questions of.	00:58:46
	Cost effectiveness, efficiency, and what I like to think of as bio mimicry, a fancy term to.	00:58:49
	The best way to get sand through our cell now is to mimic.	00:58:55
	The natural.	00:58:59
	Drift, uh.	00:59:00
	And then where we must bypass or?	00:59:01
	Whacked and through a tunnel or the barging or whatever, then we do that.	00:59:03
	And that if that system is the bigger one we're all looking at.	00:59:09
	And to.	00:59:14
	Doctor patches point we have 3 bypasses. We have Santa Barbara into the.	00:59:16
	Summerlin, Carpinteria.	00:59:20
	Ventura Harbor into.	00:59:22
	The Pierpont. I mean, that's beer, but into the.	00:59:24
	Santa Clara And then we have.	00:59:27
	The Channel Islands harbor.	00:59:28
	And we have other.	00:59:30
	We have. I just told you how much.	00:59:33
	Sam Well, I said that the thing comes from.	00:59:34
	The coastal draining watersheds and it does 97% in our.	00:59:37
	Literal.	00:59:43
	We're not not smart people, so we've looked twice in 25 years.	00:59:45
	At offshore sand.	00:59:50
	Sources.	00:59:52
	Is there another way to be more cost effective in getting sand to the beach? You can think of it as kind of a back passing in a	00:59:54
	way. It's already down out of the beach scape.	00:59:58
	It's beyond the the wave effect.	01:00:03
	And then you go in and you say could you reasonably cost effectively?	01:00:06
	I mean, the logic is that it's right offshore, the beach you need to nourish as opposed to.	01:00:10
	1/2 miles to the north.	01:00:15
	On the other side of a man made.	01:00:16
	Harbor, we've looked at that.	01:00:18
	The only thing I can say is that balancing impacts.	01:00:21
	It may or may not be environmentally more Sound or West Sound. We have very, very important marine resources from the near shore.	01:00:24
	All the way out.	01:00:31
	And can we do it cost effectively?	01:00:34
	So we have old data.	01:00:36
	And we're happy to do it.	01:00:37
	You know, entertain a conversation about the data.	01:00:39
	It doesn't. This is the problem with.	01:00:41
	The kid of parts.	01:00:43
	You could, for example, logically you could say, well, we'll put sand up from.	01:00:45
	You know our deeper channel and we'll pay for it.	01:00:48
	Or make the Navy pay for it or whatever. We'll pay for it.	01:00:51
	Then you have the sand trap.	01:00:54
	Problem of the sand trap is collecting sand.	01:00:55
	Which means at some point it's full.	01:00:59
	And it doesn't work in the way it's supposed to, and where it goes is what Doctor Patch says.	01:01:01
	It goes into the harbor navigational channel and in many cases might migrate up into the boat basin and be an enormous headache.	01:01:06
	And I'm not pointing that out to say don't do it. I'm pointing that out.	01:01:13
	Just be cognizant of the.	01:01:16
	Of the life cycle costs and the cost benefit equation and and the cost effectiveness.	01:01:18
	Calculation and all these things go into.	01:01:23
	The longer term management.	01:01:26
	And Beacon is excited to have this conversation with.	01:01:28
	The City Council.	01:01:30
	Your two Council representatives, Laura.	01:01:32
	And Steven?	01:01:35
	And sorry, Stephen Gallman.	01:01:37
	Council Member Hernandez.	01:01:38
	Bird dog us.	01:01:41
	Ask us.	01:01:42
	Demand of us.	01:01:43
	All the time.	01:01:45
	What can we do?	01:01:46
	What are we doing?	01:01:47
	How can we do it better?	01:01:48
	And how can we make it work?	01:01:50
	That's pretty fair summary.	01:01:51
	Of what your?	01:01:53
	Representatives are asking and.	01:01:54
	Requesting a.	01:01:56
	You have a very active representation on the beacon board.	01:01:58
	And so I'm very pleased to come today.	01:02:02
	And take a little bit of your time. Sorry you take so much of your time, but it is a very important topic.	01:02:05
	For the city, and we see that at Beacon.	01:02:09
	And you have really good resources in the region, not just Doctor Patch, but she's just.	01:02:11
	The tip of the iceberg. Really, really good scientist.	01:02:15
	Good science, good community member.	01:02:19
	So you're, you're again very blessed with the resources you've.	01:02:22
	Created, and I hope we can continue to have these conversations periodically. We'll be back and tell you what we're doing.	01:02:25
	In the region at some point.	01:02:31
	Spending everybody's money. But these questions are common to the region.	01:02:33
	And we?	01:02:37
	Really do seek to.	01:02:40
	Answer is.	01:02:41
	The as deep a question as you'd like to.	01:02:43
	Ask us.	01:02:45
	And to frame our action.	01:02:46
	To satisfy those.	01:02:48
	Questions much appreciated. Thank you. Yes, Doctor Pat.	01:02:50
	And I just had one quick thing about the Matilla Dam.	01:02:54
	I did work, I think in 2004 where, you know, we're looking at restoring the natural sand to this whole cell, right? And one of the	01:02:57
	recommendations is to remove that dam because it's blocking about 40% of the natural sand supply coming down the Ventura River.	01:03:05
	However, it's important to realize that.	01:03:12
	The Santa Clara River.	01:03:15
	Delivers about 11:50 times the amount of sand that the Ventura River.	01:03:17
	Delivers. So while it is great to restore the natural sand supply and that should be our first effort because you don't have to	01:03:23
	buy it, it's free, right?	01:03:27
	You it really is important to to understand that the Santa Clara River is like the bread and butter of your sand supply. It is	01:03:32
	like 12 times as much sand coming out of that river as Ventura River. Good to know, thank you.	01:03:38
	Doctor Patchets. I'm sorry, Stephen Gama, could you?	01:03:44
	Explain.	01:03:49
	The similarities.	01:03:50
	And differences between the Winemie Canyon and the Point Magoo Canyon.	01:03:52
	And the fact that.	01:03:57
	It's a very dynamic.	01:03:59
	They're very dynamic canyons. They're not static. They're changing, they're receding.	01:04:01
	And there are similarities, and there's some pretty big differences.	01:04:05
	Between.	01:04:09
	Magoo and.	01:04:09
	Winima Canyon.	01:04:10
	Yeah, the biggest difference is Magoo Canyon.	01:04:12
	Is a lot closer to the near shore zone, so when waves kind of travel back and forth in our near shore surf zone, they're going to	01:04:15
	start to interact with the Magoo Canyon in depths that are a lot shallower than the Winemi Canyon.	01:04:22
	So Port Wayne, me was actually.	01:04:30
	Built where it is built because you have that Canyon coming pretty close into shore and it was a great place to put a Canyon	01:04:32
	because you can have, you know, it's really deep just offshore.	01:04:37
	However, it is a little bit farther offshore, so it's not a complete catch to all of the sand that would be naturally traveling	01:04:43
	along that coastline.	01:04:47
	So before we put the port in there.	01:04:52
	While you did have some sand that was being funneled off.	01:04:54
	Offshore into that Canyon.	01:04:57
	It was the majority of that sediment was still making it past.	01:04:59
	The Canyon mouth.	01:05:03
	And then why? Or Magoo Canyon has a couple of branches that are coming off and encroaching.	01:05:05
	Shoreward, right? So it's trapping more of the sand, so it's a bigger player in sort of.	01:05:11
	Ending our.	01:05:16
	Literal cell and being a permanent sink of that sand.	01:05:18
	Does that help?	01:05:22
	Yes, and then?	01:05:23
	It's my understanding that the Magoo Canyon is crumbling back towards shore.	01:05:24
	And.	01:05:29
	And so even more of the sand today than it was, say, a decade ago.	01:05:31
	Because it is.	01:05:36
	Encroaching umm.	01:05:37
	Towards the shore, so it's capturing even more of that sand than it used to.	01:05:39
	Which is one of the reasons why we think.	01:05:43
	That there's more erosion than we've historically had.	01:05:46
	South of Magoo Canyon because it is starting to capture more of that sediment.	01:05:49
	So if.	01:05:54
	That erosion accelerated.	01:05:55
	One of the.	01:05:57
	Things that gets thrown around in beacon meetings is like, well we should put a pleasure craft harbor down by Point Magoo Canyon.	01:05:58
	And trapped.	01:06:04
	Similar to what we're doing in Channel Islands.	01:06:06
	Would that solve the problem or would that?	01:06:08
	Have unintended.	01:06:10
	Consequences.	01:06:12
	You know, I think both so.	01:06:13
	We at the sand summit, we had a number of scientists last, was it March or April, Mark, you know, talking about what are some of	01:06:16
	the engineering solutions, Are we able to capture that sediment before it goes down into the Magoo Submarine Canyon? It's like the	01:06:21
	$25,000 question we all want to know.	01:06:27
	There's a lot of great sand there.	01:06:33
	So there are some potential things to explore in terms of catching that sand after we've.	01:06:35
	After we've moved it from Channel Islands Harbor Sand Trap to the other side of Port Winemie, how do we keep that sand there?	01:06:42
	For a little bit longer.	01:06:50
	And I think the Navy is really interested in doing that. I think they're they're trying to figure out how to capture it before it	01:06:51
	kind of gets funneled into the deep.	01:06:56
	Deep ocean offshore down Magoo Canyon.	01:07:00
	So that is a great option that we can explore as a source of sand.	01:07:03
	If we can figure out a way to.	01:07:08
	To keep it on the beach there or trap it before it goes down in there.	01:07:09
	Yeah. And I just want to add as when I was nine years old, I spent a week out at Point Magoo.	01:07:13
	Um, camping there.	01:07:19
	On base.	01:07:20
	And the difference?	01:07:21
	That was a 1976.	01:07:23
	Perhaps the difference between then and now is like stark It's so dramatic and there's so much.	01:07:25
	Sand that is gone.	01:07:31
	And they'll never come back.	01:07:33
	Even if you look at where Broad Beach is, it got the name Broadbeach because it was a huge expanse of sand and you see that huge	01:07:35
	dune just down Cove.	01:07:40
	Coast, like that's an indicator that it used to be an area where we had a lot of sand.	01:07:45
	But the USGS did some bathymetric mapping and they see that over the years, the heads of those canyons have have crept.	01:07:50
	Closer and closer to the shore.	01:07:57
	They capture that sand and that's when you see when you disrupt a natural sand supply.	01:07:59
	You'll see the consequences down coast.	01:08:04
	Thank you.	01:08:07
	Great. Thank you.	01:08:09
	Councilmember Perez.	01:08:10
	OK. Well, thank you so much for your time and we appreciate it. And as you mentioned, Mr. Baylor, our primary and our alternate	01:08:12
	will be asking you questions in the very new future as we go forward.	01:08:19
	Brian, do you have any?	01:08:27
	OK. OK, great. Great. Thank you. Thank you.	01:08:28
	OK. Thank you so much.	01:08:31
	Thank you.	01:08:33
	Thanks a lot.	01:08:34
	Nice to see you all good.	01:08:35
	Thanks, Kiki.	01:08:38
	OK, we're going to move on to our consent.	01:08:40
	Calendar. We're going to consider the items here, which will be enacted in one motion unless a council member would like to pull	01:08:43
	an item.	01:08:47
	Does any council members like?	01:08:52
	You'd like to pull any items? Well, I was going to pull item number 4, but I think I'll just save my comments until the end of the	01:08:54
	meeting during.	01:08:58
	Council comments so just for the sake of time.	01:09:01
	OK, great.	01:09:04
	Item number 8.	01:09:05
	Item number 8.	01:09:07
	Anyone else?	01:09:09
	OK. So you do not want to pull item number four? No, I'll hold. OK.	01:09:11
	So is there a motion?	01:09:15
	For items number one through 7.	01:09:17
	Move to Pru items one through 7 second.	01:09:20
	Great. Thank you.	01:09:23
	Madam Clerk.	01:09:24
	All in favor.	01:09:26
	Aye, all opposed.	01:09:27
	Hearing none, motion passes unanimously.	01:09:29
	And I just wonder if I can do that. I just want to recognize we have Doctor McCoy.	01:09:31
	Here tonight we've already.	01:09:36
	Just let's see, was just approved your item.	01:09:38
	So did you have anything that you wanted to say to us this evening?	01:09:42
	Thank you. I'm actually.	01:09:46
	Right, OK.	01:09:50
	Sorry about that.	01:09:51
	But I just want to say thank you.	01:09:52
	OK, great. Thank you.	01:09:53
	And so let's take item number 8.	01:09:55
	What are they thanking us for?	01:09:57
	The del Sol item number 7 OK.	01:09:59
	Right.	01:10:02
	Yeah, so this caught my attention.	01:10:05
	And.	01:10:08
	I started to look into.	01:10:10
	Look at the.	01:10:12
	The ports vessel summary.	01:10:13
	As a means to.	01:10:16
	Try to calculate the number of.	01:10:17
	Of trucks.	01:10:19
	That are generated by the port.	01:10:21
	And we should be able to.	01:10:23
	Get an actual number by analyzing the vessel summary, for example.	01:10:26
	When a Chiquita progress.	01:10:31
	Comes in.	01:10:33
	I would think.	01:10:35
	That the.	01:10:36
	Port would be able to say Oh yeah the Chiquita progress has.	01:10:37
	The capability with the deepening of the port to bring in.	01:10:40
	600 containers or is it 800 containers?	01:10:44
	If I ChatGPT.	01:10:47
	That vessel?	01:10:51
	It says 12176 containers which.	01:10:52
	Seems an awful lot.	01:10:55
	So.	01:10:57
	I just think that.	01:11:00
	If we could get.	01:11:01
	Actual numbers.	01:11:03
	Trucks related to vessels.	01:11:05
	That it would give our engineering and public works.	01:11:08
	Department.	01:11:11
	Better data.	01:11:13
	To estimate wear and tear and roads and costs and all that. So.	01:11:15
	So this.	01:11:21
	Or this missed? I guess there was a mistake.	01:11:24
	Indicating that 1600 trucks.	01:11:27
	Are coming out of the gate of the port of Winim.	01:11:30
	And it's corrected in the staff report.	01:11:32
	But then it triggered me to say like well wait a minute.	01:11:34
	We shouldn't we be able to get an actual number?	01:11:37
	By vessel.	01:11:40
	Of truck trips so I just wanted to.	01:11:41
	Bring that up and see if we could do that.	01:11:43
	OK. Did you have?	01:11:45
	Yeah, and a couple of things. 1 is.	01:11:47
	I can note that the.	01:11:51
	The report was intended to be.	01:11:52
	Total truck trips on our streets.	01:11:54
	Because when we maintain our streets.	01:11:57
	We're preparing.	01:11:59
	To maintain them based on impacts? Not necessarily.	01:12:01
	You know, we can't just count impacts from one location or another. So, so the report was intended to be.	01:12:03
	All truck trips and there was just one section of the report.	01:12:09
	Where that wasn't clear, so we had identified that as correcting that the other thing is in the mean.	01:12:13
	Time while we've been working on that.	01:12:18
	I believe, and I'll make sure that I did.	01:12:20
	Passed these on. I believe the.	01:12:22
	The port actually did provide us some counts.	01:12:24
	From of their information to share with the council. So I think we passed those on, but I'll double check and make sure we pass	01:12:27
	those.	01:12:31
	Those reports on to the Council.	01:12:34
	And that's what.	01:12:36
	Triggered by.	01:12:37
	Thinking about this is like, well wait a minute.	01:12:38
	You have a.	01:12:42
	A vessel summary.	01:12:44
	And the vessels have names.	01:12:45
	And we should be able to get a number for each vessel that comes through the port.	01:12:48
	Over the several, you know, 12 months of the year.	01:12:51
	It just seems to me that that number should be readily available.	01:12:55
	OK, so.	01:13:00
	Let's go back to the.	01:13:01
	The item This is the pavement management and truck route.	01:13:03
	Life cycle cost analysis where we had a correction to the.	01:13:06
	The the prior report.	01:13:10
	So if.	01:13:13
	If we need to have a discussion about something else.	01:13:15
	That should probably be another item. Yeah, I think I'd recommend approving this and then we'll share the data that I think is	01:13:17
	responsive to the question. Right, right. Move to approve item 8.	01:13:22
	2nd thank you.	01:13:27
	Madam Clerk.	01:13:28
	All in favor.	01:13:30
	Aye.	01:13:31
	All opposed.	01:13:32
	Hearing none, motion passes unanimously.	01:13:33
	Great. Thank you.	01:13:36
	We are now going to move to.	01:13:38
	Our public hearing.	01:13:41
	So this is the Cannabis Development Management compliance Review and finding of exemption from CEQA. Madam Clerk, do we have proof	01:13:45
	of publication?	01:13:49
	As required by law and a complete file to report.	01:13:54
	And exhibit, sorry, of reports and exhibits. Yes, Madam Mayor.	01:13:57
	Great.	01:14:01
	Will staff please present the report?	01:14:02
	Yes, thank you and.	01:14:04
	Charles Peretz, our Deputy City Manager, will be giving the presentation. I just wanted to note.	01:14:06
	Before we.	01:14:11
	Start that that.	01:14:12
	Just as.	01:14:14
	Some background.	01:14:14
	That we have.	01:14:16
	17 current.	01:14:17
	Cannabis.	01:14:20
	Development agreements.	01:14:21
	And that.	01:14:23
	This.	01:14:25
	Per those development agreements, we review those.	01:14:26
	Each of the agreements annually.	01:14:29
	I think.	01:14:32
	Everybody's aware, but with the opening of Ventura and and Oxnard cannabis businesses, there has been an impact on some of our	01:14:33
	local businesses and I think what we're going to see tonight is in particular.	01:14:39
	On primarily on the businesses that had not yet opened.	01:14:44
	That had been.	01:14:49
	Issued development agreements in Port Wayne, ME but hadn't opened yet that we are seeing that some of those businesses have not	01:14:50
	moved forward in that period.	01:14:55
	And so this review is intended to focus on really 5 businesses primarily those ones that either hadn't opened and or there's a	01:14:59
	couple that had opened and have either.	01:15:04
	Closed or indicated that they may be closing so.	01:15:10
	We wanted to review those.	01:15:13
	Five at this time.	01:15:15
	And with that I'll.	01:15:17
	Hand it over to Charles to to.	01:15:18
	Lead that review.	01:15:20
	Thank you. Good evening, Mayor and City Council members of staff.	01:15:24
	Members of the public present.	01:15:27
	As a city manager indicated, this item is a public hearing and tended to allow the council to review and make findings regarding 5	01:15:29
	specific development agreements.	01:15:34
	That are issued in connection with the operation of cannabis.	01:15:39
	Businesses. Umm.	01:15:42
	The City of Port Wayne, ME, as we know, uses development agreements to establish the terms and conditions for development and	01:15:44
	operation of cannabis businesses.	01:15:47
	The agreements require businesses to provide various public benefits, including long term employment opportunities.	01:15:51
	Additional tax revenues.	01:15:57
	Revenues from contractual payments that are percentages of the revenues produced by those businesses.	01:15:59
	And support for community benefits.	01:16:04
	The agreements state that the anticipated receipt of those contractual payments are the primary inducement for the city to enter	01:16:08
	into.	01:16:11
	Agreements.	01:16:15
	Additionally, compliance with payment obligations, financial audits.	01:16:17
	City ordinances, permits and other applicable regulations are considered material terms of these agreements.	01:16:21
	Development agreements include deadlines.	01:16:29
	Usually within a year of approval.	01:16:31
	By which the development must be completed.	01:16:34
	And put into operation.	01:16:37
	Resolution 4401, also known as the implementing resolution.	01:16:39
	Provides for annual agreements by the City Council.	01:16:44
	The resolution requires council to review key terms.	01:16:48
	And ensure compliance with the agreed upon public benefits.	01:16:51
	The agreements contain several conditions under which the Council may determine that a developer is in default of the agreement.	01:16:54
	Some of these.	01:17:01
	Include making a finding.	01:17:02
	Upon substantial evidence that the developer has not.	01:17:03
	Complied with a material requirement of the agreement.	01:17:06
	A violation of the conditional use permit associated with the.	01:17:09
	Activity, yeah.	01:17:12
	Or the termination or diminution of contractual payments.	01:17:13
	So as the city Manager indicated tonight, we're going to be reviewing 5 development agreements. Those five are the agreements with	01:17:20
	the city and Winemie patient consumer Co-op, also known as HPC.	01:17:25
	Port Wayne, ME Organic Team, Inc.	01:17:32
	Red Mule Group, LLC.	01:17:34
	PH Investment Group LLC, also known as Element 7.	01:17:36
	And the fire.	01:17:39
	LLC.	01:17:41
	The development agreement between the City and HPC provides for the operation of a retail dispensary and ancillary.	01:17:44
	Delivery services. The agreement was approved November 2017.	01:17:51
	And the business began operating in April of 2018.	01:17:55
	On July 25th.	01:17:59
	25th of this year.	01:18:00
	The business ceased operating.	01:18:02
	And the developer subsequently advised the city that the closure was permanent.	01:18:04
	With the business no longer operating.	01:18:09
	It is unable to comply with material.	01:18:12
	Requirements and public benefits called for in the agreement, such as providing those.	01:18:14
	Employment opportunities, providing additional revenue from sales taxes and contractual payments and providing.	01:18:18
	Community Benefits.	01:18:23
	The agreement.	01:18:27
	Provides language that the Council may determine that a default has occurred when the developer has not complied in good faith	01:18:27
	with a material term of the agreement.	01:18:31
	Or when the contractual payments.	01:18:35
	Have been terminated or diminished.	01:18:37
	Based on those facts.	01:18:42
	Staff is recommending that upon the basis of substantial evidence, the City Council adopt.	01:18:43
	A resolution that finds the developer out of compliance and in default with the development agreement.	01:18:49
	The resolution would direct staff to provide notice of the city's intent to revoke the agreement and initiate the process to	01:18:53
	revoke and repeal the conditional use permit.	01:18:57
	Mr. Peretz, do we need a motion?	01:19:04
	On one.	01:19:06
	On this item singly, are we going to go through all five? I prefer to go through all 5 and we'll consider the recommendation at	01:19:07
	the conclusion.	01:19:11
	The second development agreement to be reviewed is the agreement between the city and.	01:19:16
	Port Winemie Organic.	01:19:20
	Team Incorporated.	01:19:21
	That agreement provides for the development of a micro business consisting of a retail dispensary with delivery services.	01:19:23
	As well as distribution and cultivation operations.	01:19:28
	The agreement was approved November 2019 and required project completion and commencement of operations within a year.	01:19:32
	In preparation for the Council's October 2023 review of the development agreement.	01:19:39
	The developer provided updated information.	01:19:44
	Which indicated that work to develop the dispensary would commence before the end of 2023.	01:19:47
	And the dispensary would open in early 2024 with cultivation operations.	01:19:52
	To start shortly thereafter.	01:19:57
	During that review, council approved a resolution that provided an extension to the original project deadline.	01:19:59
	And in June 2024, council approved an amendment.	01:20:08
	That provided a new project deadline.	01:20:11
	Of June 30th, 2025.	01:20:13
	That amendment stated that failure to obtain a certificate of occupancy by the June 30.	01:20:16
	2025 date.	01:20:20
	Would result in the nullification of the agreement.	01:20:22
	The development has still not been completed.	01:20:26
	And in June of this year, staff contacted the developer to note the project's inactivity.	01:20:28
	Inquire as to their interest in proceeding with the project.	01:20:33
	And request additional information about project plans.	01:20:36
	That notice also provided them identification that.	01:20:39
	The public hearing on the October 20th this evening.	01:20:41
	Would be used to review their development agreement.	01:20:44
	And there has been no response from the developer to any of these communications.	01:20:47
	Given that the development was never completed, once again, this business is not complying with material terms of the agreement by	01:20:52
	providing employment opportunities, additional revenues.	01:20:55
	Or community benefits.	01:20:59
	And once again.	01:21:02
	That development agreement provides.	01:21:03
	The Council the ability to find that they are in default if they are not meeting the terms, material terms of the agreement.	01:21:05
	Therefore, it is staff's recommendation.	01:21:16
	That upon the basis of substantial evidence, the Council adopt A resolution that finds the developer out of compliance and in	01:21:18
	default of the agreement and provide written notice.	01:21:21
	Of the intent to revoke the agreement if.	01:21:25
	Action to cure is not taken within 30 days.	01:21:27
	The third development agreement to be reviewed is the agreement between the city and Red Mule Group, LLC.	01:21:33
	See, that agreement provides for the development of a micro business.	01:21:37
	Consisting of a retail dispensary with delivery services.	01:21:40
	As well as manufacturing and distribution operations.	01:21:43
	That agreement was approved.	01:21:47
	July 2021.	01:21:48
	That project involved the purchase of city property.	01:21:52
	And require project development to commence within 90 days after permit issuance.	01:21:54
	Permits for interior demolition and electrical work.	01:22:00
	Were issued January 2022 and a permit for the firewall separation.	01:22:03
	Was issued.	01:22:07
	September 2000.	01:22:08
	22.	01:22:09
	In August of 2023, the city advised the developer that it was not complying with the terms of the agreement.	01:22:13
	Shortly thereafter, the developer provided the city with a development schedule.	01:22:19
	Which indicated that they would have a grand opening July 2024.	01:22:23
	In June 2024.	01:22:28
	Council approved an amendment that provided.	01:22:30
	A new project deadline of June 30th, 2025.	01:22:32
	Once again, the amendment stated that failure to obtain a certificate of occupancy by that date.	01:22:35
	Would result in nullification of the agreement.	01:22:40
	In June of this year, staff sent a letter to the developer.	01:22:43
	Noting the project in activity, inquiring as to the developers interest in proceeding with the project.	01:22:46
	And requesting information about project plans.	01:22:50
	And once again advising.	01:22:53
	Of the October 20th public hearing date.	01:22:54
	Because the original letter was returned as undeliverable, the city sent.	01:22:57
	Multiple emails.	01:23:01
	And in response to one of those emails, at the developer's request, sent notification to a second physical.	01:23:02
	Mailing address.	01:23:08
	In August, the developer indicated a desire to move forward with the development, but did not provide any additional information	01:23:12
	about development efforts.	01:23:15
	As the city had requested.	01:23:18
	Developer indicated that they would follow up with the city in mid-september.	01:23:21
	But no subsequent communication.	01:23:24
	Occurred.	01:23:26
	October On October 3rd, the city provided.	01:23:28
	Notice of the public hearing via both.	01:23:31
	And e-mail.	01:23:33
	Once again, no additional communication has occurred.	01:23:35
	And as stated with the earlier example.	01:23:38
	Based on the fact that operations had never begun.	01:23:41
	The city has not been in receipt of any of the material terms.	01:23:44
	That are called for in the agreement.	01:23:47
	Therefore, it's staff's recommendation.	01:23:51
	That the Council adopt A resolution finds the developer out of compliance and in default of the development agreement.	01:23:53
	And issue written notice of same.	01:23:58
	Providing 30 days to cure.	01:24:00
	The 4th Development Agreement subject to review.	01:24:04
	Is that between the city?	01:24:06
	And pH Investment Group LLC, also known as Element 7.	01:24:08
	Which pertains to a retail dispensary with ancillary.	01:24:12
	Delivery services.	01:24:14
	That agreement was approved April 2021.	01:24:16
	And the business commenced operation March 2022.	01:24:18
	Beginning in September of last year, the developer stopped making timely contractual payments equal to 5% of its gross revenues.	01:24:22
	Reminders regarding these overdue payments were communicated on a regular basis.	01:24:28
	The September 2024 payment was made in January, but payments for the months of October 2024.	01:24:33
	Through June of this year.	01:24:38
	Were never received.	01:24:39
	Interestingly.	01:24:41
	Payments for July and August of this year.	01:24:42
	Were provided to the city.	01:24:45
	At present.	01:24:47
	The developer owes the city $50,945.80.	01:24:48
	This slide itemizes those costs.	01:24:54
	Including amounts for the missed contractual payments, late fees.	01:24:56
	Supplemental compliance inspection.	01:25:00
	Financial Audit.	01:25:02
	And the development review fee.	01:25:03
	It should also be noted.	01:25:04
	That while not on this list.	01:25:06
	The invoice for the annual regulatory inspection is being processed and that would be an additional cost that the developer is	01:25:07
	responsible for.	01:25:11
	In June of this year, staff notified of the developer that it was out of compliance, requested payment for the outstanding amount	01:25:19
	due.	01:25:22
	And advise that the development agreement would be reviewed at this October 20th meeting.	01:25:25
	In July, staff visited the store and subsequently made more than a dozen attempts.	01:25:29
	Using voicemail. Using e-mail and phone.	01:25:33
	To facilitate.	01:25:36
	A plan for the developer to get back into compliance.	01:25:37
	Ultimately, the developer missed scheduled meetings and stopped communicating with staff.	01:25:40
	In September, the city formally offered a payment plan and sent communication regarding the scheduling.	01:25:48
	Of the annual regulatory inspection.	01:25:53
	Later in the month, the city was contacted by a third party.	01:25:55
	Who indicated that he was hired to assist the the business with compliance issues.	01:25:58
	The individual inquired whether a regulatory inspection was appropriate.	01:26:03
	Considering the business was not operating.	01:26:06
	This was the first communication the city had received that the business was not operating.	01:26:08
	In early October, the city provided the developer with notice of this public hearing.	01:26:13
	And shortly thereafter, the city received notice.	01:26:17
	That a court appointed receiver.	01:26:19
	Had been assigned to manage the businesses.	01:26:21
	Assets.	01:26:23
	Based on my conversation with the receiver's legal representative earlier today.	01:26:26
	I understand.	01:26:31
	That the receiver is here this evening and intends to speak on this item.	01:26:32
	Further, I understand that the receiver is prepared to make a payment for all outstanding costs.	01:26:36
	Other than the late fees.	01:26:41
	If the City Council were to agree.	01:26:42
	To waive those fees.	01:26:45
	Staff is encouraged and excited to restart communications with this business about how the business, how the developer might get	01:26:49
	back into compliance.	01:26:53
	However, I just wanted to note.	01:26:57
	That the.	01:26:59
	Cities objective is to hold all businesses to the same standard.	01:27:00
	And the late fees are?	01:27:04
	Included as an assessed.	01:27:05
	Penalty.	01:27:07
	For failure to pay within the required time frame.	01:27:08
	And serve as an enforcement mechanism to encourage.	01:27:10
	Timely compliance from all businesses.	01:27:14
	So once again, the recommendation here is to make a finding of default.	01:27:19
	And provide 30 days to cure if the Council.	01:27:24
	Is inclined to.	01:27:28
	Consider options with the receiver here.	01:27:30
	We would be happy to communicate with the receiver.	01:27:33
	See if we can.	01:27:36
	Come to a mutual agreement and return to the Council with a plan that would allow for the curing of the agreement.	01:27:37
	The final agreement subject to review.	01:27:46
	At the hearing, is that between the city and the Fire Garden Group, LLC?	01:27:48
	Which once again is.	01:27:52
	For a retail dispensary with ancillary delivery services.	01:27:54
	That agreement was approved in March 2022.	01:27:57
	And the business open for operation in December of 23.	01:28:00
	In August of last year, the business stopped making contractual payments.	01:28:03
	Which are.	01:28:07
	Equal to 5% of its gross revenues.	01:28:08
	Despite regular reminders about these overdue payments from the city.	01:28:10
	In June of this year, staff notified the developer was out of compliance.	01:28:14
	Requested payment for the outstanding amount.	01:28:17
	And advised that the development agreement would be reviewed tonight.	01:28:20
	On October 20th.	01:28:23
	The total out mounting.	01:28:27
	Outstanding amount.	01:28:28
	From this developer is $56,686.91.	01:28:29
	Once again, this slide provides an itemization of the costs including the missed contractual payments, associated late fees.	01:28:34
	Costs associated with the businesses initial approval process.	01:28:39
	Financial audit and annual review fee.	01:28:42
	In July and August, staff attempted to visit the business.	01:28:47
	On a number of occasions, and it was closed each of those occasions.	01:28:50
	I also used e-mail and telephone to communicate with the developer.	01:28:53
	Staff communicated concerns about.	01:28:57
	The city, the.	01:28:59
	The developers lack of response to city outreach.	01:29:00
	As well as its failure to renew its business license.	01:29:02
	Missing monthly reports that are required to be provided.	01:29:05
	And two concerns regarding the business's hours of operation.	01:29:08
	One being reports that it was open and active after its permitted hours of operation and a second about intermittent or closed	01:29:11
	during regular business hours.	01:29:16
	The developer confirmed that activity had happened after its permitted hours of operation, but assured staff that.	01:29:22
	Action had been taken to ensure that this would not reoccur.	01:29:28
	It also shortly thereafter took action to renew the business license.	01:29:32
	And provide missing monthly reports.	01:29:36
	In September, staff formally offered a payment plan.	01:29:41
	Continue to attempt to visit the business in person.	01:29:44
	And provided notice regarding the annual regulatory inspection.	01:29:47
	The developer has not executed the payment plan.	01:29:51
	The business has continued to remain closed.	01:29:54
	And the annual inspection, which is a requirement of the conditional use permit.	01:29:57
	Was not conducted.	01:30:01
	As the business was closed and.	01:30:02
	No representatives were present at the date and time that was scheduled.	01:30:04
	Earlier this month, staff sent notification about this hearing so the developer would be aware.	01:30:09
	And once again, based on these facts, staff is recommending that council.	01:30:15
	Adopt A resolution finding the developer to be out of compliance and providing.	01:30:18
	Written notice in accordance with that finding.	01:30:22
	In addition to reviewing those agreements, this item provides the opportunity to discuss the city's cap on the number of cannabis	01:30:26
	based businesses in the city.	01:30:30
	When the city's cannabis.	01:30:34
	Program began, the market was still developing and competition was somewhat limited.	01:30:36
	As noted, the city's primary purpose for this program was to enhance the general fund revenues.	01:30:40
	And the city ended up approving, as the city manager referenced earlier, a total of 17 development agreements.	01:30:45
	Based on staff's recent communication with cannabis businesses.	01:30:50
	It is apparent that many are finding the current business environment challenging.	01:30:53
	And much different than when the cities.	01:30:57
	Program began.	01:30:59
	Discussions with these businesses.	01:31:01
	Have included concerns.	01:31:03
	About competition from illegal cannabis sales.	01:31:05
	High state taxes and difficult regulatory requirements.	01:31:08
	Increased competition from adjacent cities.	01:31:11
	And some broader economic challenges.	01:31:13
	As we know, Emerald Perspective closed earlier this year.	01:31:20
	And as we discussed this evening.	01:31:23
	HPC has permanently closed as well.	01:31:25
	Element 7 and Fire Garden are not currently operating.	01:31:28
	And based on my conversations, there are a number of other cannabis businesses that have experienced.	01:31:31
	Operational challenges.	01:31:35
	Section 3987.1 of the Municipal Code sets the cap on the number of businesses that are allowed.	01:31:38
	For quick review, it allows 12 retail dispensaries, 6 delivery only businesses.	01:31:44
	Five cannabis lounges.	01:31:49
	10 manufacturing licenses.	01:31:51
	And eight distribution licenses.	01:31:52
	Given current market conditions, staff is recommending that the Council provide direction to staff to consider the appropriate	01:31:56
	number of businesses.	01:31:59
	That should be allowed to operate in the city.	01:32:02
	And return with a proposed revision to that section of the municipal code.	01:32:04
	As part of the item, we're asking Council to find make a sequel, finding that this action is category.	01:32:11
	Categorically exempt.	01:32:16
	Section 15309.	01:32:18
	Provides that inspections to check for performance of operations.	01:32:20
	Is one of the sequa exemptions.	01:32:23
	In the fiscal impact, so making a finding of default for any or all of these agreements does not have a direct financial impact.	01:32:29
	If any were to eventually be revoked, if they were not cured, it would prevent any of these businesses from providing revenues in	01:32:37
	the future. But right now, none of them are providing revenues to the city.	01:32:42
	Any monies that are owed by businesses that have been opened would be.	01:32:48
	We would continue to pursue.	01:32:52
	The collection of those funds, regardless of any action here this evening.	01:32:54
	And in closing, just a restatement of the recommendation.	01:33:00
	It's to open the public hearing and take testimonial and documentary evidence.	01:33:04
	Close the public hearing and consider the evidence.	01:33:08
	And adopt resolutions determining that the following cannabis businesses are out of compliance and a default of their respective	01:33:11
	development agreements.	01:33:14
	Providing for the revocation of the agreement and initiation of the process to repeal and revoke associated conditional use	01:33:18
	permits if such default is not cured within 30 days.	01:33:22
	HPC.	01:33:28
	Port Windy Organic team.	01:33:29
	PH Investments.	01:33:31
	And fire garden.	01:33:33
	And direct staff to prepare an amendment for future consideration by the City Council to Section 3987.1 of the Port Miami	01:33:35
	Municipal Code.	01:33:38
	To reduce the maximum number of cannabis based.	01:33:42
	Businesses.	01:33:44
	And make a determination that the project.	01:33:45
	Exempt from sequa.	01:33:47
	And take such additional related action that may be desirable.	01:33:48
	I conclude the staff presentation. I'm available for questions.	01:33:53
	Great. Thank you, City Manager.	01:33:56
	Thank you.	01:33:57
	I'll just, I just wanted to.	01:33:58
	To highlight on that last slide, the.	01:34:00
	The uh.	01:34:02
	Reminder that.	01:34:03
	By finding.	01:34:05
	Any business out of compliance.	01:34:07
	They actually do have one more 30 day period to cure.	01:34:10
	So, you know, we had a little bit of a wrinkle today with one of the businesses coming in.	01:34:14
	Today to talk to us but.	01:34:19
	Taking.	01:34:21
	The recommended action doesn't preclude us from.	01:34:22
	Having that conversation and if.	01:34:25
	If we believe that the businesses can cure any of the businesses come forward with the plan to cure the issues, we could bring	01:34:27
	those back to council to to consider.	01:34:32
	But I just wanted to reiterate that even with that wrinkle.	01:34:36
	Our recommendation is to.	01:34:39
	Remains the same to proceed with this plan and then that we would pursue the carrying those within those 30 days.	01:34:42
	So thank you.	01:34:49
	Great, great.	01:34:50
	Are there any?	01:34:52
	Questions for staff. No comments. We'll hold comments and discussion till later.	01:34:53
	Councilmember Perez, yes, thank you. I have a couple of questions. The first one is regarding HPC. Is there Oxnard location open	01:34:58
	and active?	01:35:02
	And taking in revenue?	01:35:07
	To the best of my knowledge.	01:35:09
	It is open, it's the one located near the Esplanade.	01:35:11
	I did not see amounts owing.	01:35:15
	How much they?	01:35:18
	Are in default.	01:35:19
	Is there any way to collect from that?	01:35:20
	Open business.	01:35:23
	What they owe us.	01:35:24
	Yeah, the amount is approximately $13,000 that they owe the city.	01:35:26
	And yes, regardless of any action taken tonight, the city would continue to pursue opportunities to collect from them.	01:35:32
	OK. My second question is how long out of compliance with the state?	01:35:39
	Starts getting involved as it did with Emerald Perspective.	01:35:43
	Well, it's.	01:35:48
	The one distinction just to make on our perspective is that our understanding.	01:35:51
	It was that they were out of compliance with state licensing requirements.	01:35:56
	And so we are not sure we know that these businesses are out of compliance with our development agreements. We don't know that	01:36:00
	they that doesn't necessarily mean they're out of compliance with the state licensing requirements.	01:36:05
	But our understanding was that they had been out of compliance for quite a while because we had heard that.	01:36:11
	The state had some concerns and just for.	01:36:16
	Maybe something people?	01:36:19
	Might not know is that there is some coordination.	01:36:21
	Between the like the city and the state regulations where there's some communication.	01:36:25
	On going back and forth and so we do tend to hear about those things so.	01:36:29
	So I don't think we've heard of any state issues related to any of these businesses. We have not. There are a number of different	01:36:34
	state requirements, one of them through the DCC, I'm sorry, through the.	01:36:40
	CDTFA.	01:36:46
	Is the requirement to pay excise taxes to the state?	01:36:47
	And if they find that a business is in default or not doing that appropriately, they'll revoke the sellers permit. That was the	01:36:50
	case with Emerald Perspective but.	01:36:54
	The city does get notice when that occurs and we have not received such notice for these businesses. OK. And my final question is	01:36:58
	with Element 7.	01:37:02
	I understand there's a receiver.	01:37:06
	But what is the intent of the business? Is it?	01:37:08
	Plan to.	01:37:10
	Take care of its debts and then reopen or just take care of its debt.	01:37:12
	So my recommendation, I believe the receivers here. So my recommendation would be asking.	01:37:16
	Them for their plan. I know we have reached out to get the plan. I don't think we had received one until maybe.	01:37:21
	Before the meeting, so I would suggest letting them.	01:37:26
	Explain it.	01:37:30
	Because I don't think we're prepared to.	01:37:31
	And that is the end of my questions. Thank you.	01:37:33
	Councilman.	01:37:36
	Councilmember Comma.	01:37:37
	So HPC.	01:37:39
	Have we?	01:37:42
	Attempted to collect.	01:37:44
	From the monies that they owe us.	01:37:45
	Attempts have been made, notifications have been provided to the business owners and requests have been made.	01:37:50
	Finance department gets into.	01:37:55
	Multi phased approach 1 is just communicating directly, offering to set up payment plans, requesting payment for outstanding	01:37:59
	monies.	01:38:01
	And after a certain period of time when that is unsuccessful, we transition to actually using a collection agency to try to	01:38:04
	recover those dollars. And are the late payments accruing as more time goes on? Because I noticed that one of them, the late	01:38:10
	payment was more than the initial amount principal owed.	01:38:15
	So is that how it's written?	01:38:21
	It is the late payments accrue.	01:38:24
	Really, the the best thing businesses can do is communicate with the city.	01:38:27
	If they communicate and they start making payments or they enter into a payment plan, the city stops the late payments. But when	01:38:31
	payments are missed and there's no communication with the city?	01:38:35
	Late payments are.	01:38:40
	Are applied for each.	01:38:41
	Month when that payment that's due is not paid.	01:38:44
	Right, so is there.	01:38:46
	A mechanism for the city.	01:38:49
	To negotiate out the late payments, I mean as.	01:38:50
	Because it just seems like we're not going to get paid.	01:38:54
	Unless we.	01:38:57
	Come to the table.	01:38:59
	With Council direction, we.	01:39:00
	Would be able to negotiate the amount of the late payments.	01:39:03
	I believe that's.	01:39:07
	Part of the request that element 7 is going to make.	01:39:08
	Tonight and.	01:39:12
	And the only comment we would have about that is that we.	01:39:14
	We've really put a focus on in the last couple months as we had some staff changes.	01:39:17
	We have.	01:39:21
	Really put a focus on.	01:39:22
	Creating communication with.	01:39:24
	With all of the dispensaries and credit to Charles who I think has actually gone out and met with every single business in the	01:39:25
	last.	01:39:29
	Two to three months.	01:39:33
	And one of the things that we are.	01:39:35
	That we heard loud and clear from the businesses is.	01:39:37
	That the businesses that are doing all those things right and are spending all of those.	01:39:40
	Dollars, you know.	01:39:45
	Paying their taxes, paying their fees.	01:39:46
	They said.	01:39:48
	Make sure everybody's.	01:39:49
	Being held to that standard.	01:39:50
	You know, because.	01:39:52
	But I'm pretty sure that it's a small community and that they know when 1, one's paying their taxes and 1 isn't or one's paying	01:39:53
	their development agreement fees and 1 isn't. So we actually heard loud and clear from some of the businesses who said we know	01:39:59
	we're doing things the right way. Are you holding everybody else to the standards? And so I think there was a little period we had	01:40:04
	some staff transition where.	01:40:09
	Things got.	01:40:15
	Behind.	01:40:16
	You know, over those 6 to 12 months, but.	01:40:17
	We have been meeting with them to get everybody caught back up.	01:40:20
	Like Charles said, our finance department.	01:40:23
	Has gone above and beyond to offer payment plans and meet with people to explain it and walk through it. And there are some	01:40:26
	businesses, businesses who took us up on that and then.	01:40:30
	Actually did get back into full compliance after a couple of, you know, a couple rough months or, or those months we talked about	01:40:35
	where the state had increased the taxes and it caught everybody off guard.	01:40:40
	And now that that's rolled back, some of those businesses are catching back.	01:40:46
	Up but.	01:40:49
	But.	01:40:51
	You know.	01:40:53
	It's. I think that's going to be a request.	01:40:53
	It's something we're willing to have that conversation on, but we just have to.	01:40:56
	Remember that.	01:40:59
	We have 17 businesses to treat.	01:41:00
	Fairly and.	01:41:02
	Equally right, and I'm pretty sure I.	01:41:03
	Know the answer to this question but.	01:41:05
	Each one of these are businesses.	01:41:08
	Understood the late payment.	01:41:10
	Program.	01:41:11
	When they signed the dotted line.	01:41:13
	Yeah, the development agreements.	01:41:15
	Refer to late fees.	01:41:18
	That everybody signed on board.	01:41:20
	You know that that all businesses.	01:41:22
	Signed on to those development.	01:41:25
	Right, it was clear.	01:41:26
	On the late payments.	01:41:29
	OK, so.	01:41:33
	Maybe it wasn't.	01:41:35
	It's it's in the.	01:41:36
	Agreement. I guess if you're asking if everybody understood what they signed, I can't.	01:41:38
	Question.	01:41:42
	OK.	01:41:44
	Great. Thank you, Councilmember Hernandez.	01:41:47
	So do we.	01:41:50
	Do we know if?	01:41:52
	Each of these businesses actually own the property that they are.	01:41:53
	That they are in right now.	01:41:59
	Or they leasing properties or?	01:42:00
	For instance, Red Mule, I mean they bought that building. Yes, I was.	01:42:04
	I was going to say we so we would have records.	01:42:08
	On each of those so we could answer those I think.	01:42:10
	I don't think we.	01:42:13
	Identified that in tonight's.	01:42:14
	Meeting so we would have to.	01:42:16
	Bring that information back, but red Mule.	01:42:18
	Bought the property from us so they do own their property.	01:42:20
	I'm looking at the others, none of the others jump out, just as an example if they can't.	01:42:24
	Cure their debt within 30 days. What happens I do? Can we?	01:42:30
	Well, Red Mule is a little How do we? How do we?	01:42:36
	Recoup our.	01:42:38
	Our costs? Do we go after the property? Do we?	01:42:39
	What do we do? So just a couple of.	01:42:43
	Maybe distinctions is that there are a couple these businesses that are being considered tonight that actually don't owe.	01:42:47
	Any money South?	01:42:52
	A red mule.	01:42:54
	As the example, they just aren't in compliance because they are making no progress to getting open. And yeah, you all may may	01:42:55
	remember that we actually had this conversation I think two years ago and we decided to give them one more chance. So.	01:43:02
	So for them, you know what they'd have to do to get into compliance and cure within 30 days is they would need to open their or	01:43:09
	open their micro business in the next 30 days.	01:43:14
	Which is, or at least make, you know, make significant progress towards it.	01:43:19
	The I think it's three of them, so that's two of them that.	01:43:23
	Do not.	01:43:27
	Dollars, that's not their issue.	01:43:28
	So the three that do.	01:43:30
	I think we have a couple of steps, but you know, collections and a couple of things, but at the end of the day.	01:43:33
	If they don't.	01:43:40
	On their property.	01:43:41
	It may be.	01:43:42
	And if they've closed down, it may be difficult to collect, but we are going to.	01:43:44
	To do our best to do what we can. And then my last question, if I don't see the number of the breakdown of the number of.	01:43:47
	Businesses. Cannabis businesses allowed.	01:43:56
	Under our ordinance, can you just rattle those off again, please?	01:43:59
	Sure.	01:44:02
	The municipal code allows for 12.	01:44:03
	Retail.	01:44:05
	Cannabis dispensaries.	01:44:06
	OK. Six delivery only businesses.	01:44:07
	Five cannabis lounges.	01:44:12
	10 manufacturing licenses.	01:44:17
	And eight distribution licenses.	01:44:19
	OK.	01:44:21
	Thank you.	01:44:24
	OK, that's it. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem.	01:44:27
	Yes, so.	01:44:30
	Specifically talking about.	01:44:32
	HPC fire Garden.	01:44:34
	Since they got so far behind.	01:44:38
	What? What process do we have in place once they pass 30 days?	01:44:41
	60 days.	01:44:48
	You know they.	01:44:50
	You should.	01:44:51
	This should have been brought up to the Council, not.	01:44:52
	Four or five, six months left down the road, right.	01:44:54
	So what process do we have that?	01:44:57
	That's our trigger.	01:44:59
	To start the 30 day.	01:45:03
	Do we have one?	01:45:05
	We we do have a process, I think.	01:45:07
	What I would say is we moved the.	01:45:10
	Cannabis program into the city manager's office July 1st and immediately it became apparent that.	01:45:14
	Several of these had been several months behind.	01:45:21
	And uh.	01:45:24
	I think the.	01:45:25
	Really it just boils down to.	01:45:26
	This is the first time we're really having this conversation about.	01:45:28
	Actually. Like really?	01:45:31
	Enforcing the compliant the development agreements.	01:45:33
	And I think that that.	01:45:36
	Those 2GO together. The reason we're having this conversation is because.	01:45:37
	We.	01:45:40
	As we moved into the city manager's office.	01:45:41
	We started to review and we saw that they.	01:45:43
	They were.	01:45:46
	Several months behind that.	01:45:47
	You know, we tend to get the response of like.	01:45:49
	You know, from businesses saying like, yeah, we'll, we'll get back on track or we'll get back to you, but you can't let that go	01:45:52
	forever. And then like I said earlier, and then we met with.	01:45:56
	The businesses and one of the biggest things we heard was hold everybody to the same rules and enforce.	01:46:01
	The requirements that we're having to meet, so.	01:46:06
	That led to.	01:46:09
	Why we?	01:46:11
	Put this on the agenda and why we brought it forward so. But we do have internal processes I think.	01:46:12
	We have our finance department flags.	01:46:19
	When businesses are falling out of compliance, I think the missing piece was then.	01:46:22
	Now it's going to be the city manager's office then saying, OK, they're too far out of compliance, we need to bring it forward. It	01:46:25
	does take some time just to make the point of like, and I think the council's aware I had.	01:46:31
	Flagged this.	01:46:36
	Saying this would be coming to a council meeting probably two months ago, but then it there's a public hearing notice.	01:46:37
	A requirement and then.	01:46:44
	We have to get it scheduled on the agenda so.	01:46:45
	It does take a couple months so.	01:46:47
	I wouldn't be surprised, you know, if we flag it when people fall a month or two behind.	01:46:49
	We're probably going to be talking about it.	01:46:54
	Potentially when they're.	01:46:56
	Three or four months.	01:46:57
	Behind but but.	01:46:58
	But we're going to be more on top of it.	01:46:59
	We have been in the past.	01:47:01
	Now, emerald perspective, did we recoup?	01:47:03
	Any money that was due.	01:47:06
	We did receive a payment.	01:47:10
	From them.	01:47:12
	Before.	01:47:14
	The business completely went.	01:47:15
	Under.	01:47:17
	And we did file a claim with the state as the state had.	01:47:18
	Seized their their property and their assets.	01:47:23
	We have not received a response from the state.	01:47:27
	In regards to that claim as of yet.	01:47:30
	And the Finance department is continuing to make efforts to use collection methods to collect any money but just that initial	01:47:33
	payment.	01:47:37
	Before the business completely closed is what we recovered.	01:47:42
	OK, so if let's say our memorable perspective and.	01:47:45
	I know I'm going to be going out of business.	01:47:50
	What's the process, What's the mechanism to get out of that agreement?	01:47:53
	Is there? Do we have one?	01:47:58
	Is the question like if they wanted to stay open and?	01:48:02
	We're I'm quitting business because I'm just not.	01:48:06
	And I need to.	01:48:11
	Cease operations.	01:48:13
	What's step one? Do we have this?	01:48:15
	Because this seems like.	01:48:17
	They they were asking them that you they're not in compliance.	01:48:18
	But they're going out of business, so they're not going to.	01:48:23
	They're not going to get in compliance because.	01:48:25
	They're exiting the door, right?	01:48:28
	So.	01:48:31
	Does our ordinance.	01:48:32
	State how to get out of this agreement.	01:48:33
	It doesn't.	01:48:36
	State how to get out of it.	01:48:38
	But.	01:48:40
	The the process is what Emerald Perspective ended up doing after.	01:48:42
	You know, I'm sure council members, but maybe not everybody watching, but the Emerald perspective came to a couple meetings and	01:48:46
	said give us a chance to get back into compliance and then ultimately after two or three.	01:48:51
	Attempts and I think we had given them like one last chance.	01:48:57
	They essentially sent us a notice that.	01:49:01
	You know we're closing.	01:49:03
	We aren't going to continue and we aren't going to pursue this agreement any further. So any.	01:49:05
	Business could send us that.	01:49:11
	And essentially, we would know.	01:49:12
	You know that the agreement is coming to an end and.	01:49:14
	Basically, agendize it to come to council to accept the termination of that development agreement.	01:49:18
	So that that would be.	01:49:23
	The process I think.	01:49:25
	The challenge?	01:49:26
	For us has been more that most businesses are saying.	01:49:27
	You know we're.	01:49:30
	Trying and.	01:49:31
	Give us some more time to keep trying. Or can you, you know, hold off?	01:49:32
	On these requirements for a couple more months, that's really been the challenge that we're now trying to make sure everybody	01:49:36
	understands that we need to hold everybody to the agreements.	01:49:41
	So when when was the city in?	01:49:46
	Warmed that.	01:49:48
	Element 7.	01:49:50
	Went into a receivership.	01:49:52
	Beginning of October.	01:49:56
	Do we have a reason why?	01:49:58
	We received notice that court documents indicated that a receiver had been appointed. We did not.	01:50:02
	Receive additional information. I'll turn to the city attorney. I know she communicated with the legal representative for the	01:50:07
	receiver. Perhaps she has more information.	01:50:10
	No, we were not provided the information of what prompted.	01:50:13
	The appointment of a receiver.	01:50:17
	Just that a receiver wasn't.	01:50:19
	Was appointed. We received a copy of the order.	01:50:21
	Of receivership.	01:50:24
	Have had some communications.	01:50:25
	With their attorney.	01:50:27
	Certainly because the city was not a party.	01:50:29
	To that lawsuit, umm.	01:50:32
	It's based in Santa Monica, which I thought was kind of interesting.	01:50:35
	We're not bound.	01:50:39
	By that receivership order.	01:50:41
	Nor does it have any.	01:50:43
	Really any effect?	01:50:45
	On the city.	01:50:47
	And since.	01:50:50
	So we.	01:50:52
	Technically have 12 of the 17.	01:50:52
	Dispensaries in compliance.	01:50:55
	I would say.	01:50:59
	That.	01:51:01
	We strategically.	01:51:02
	Sort of tried to group them with.	01:51:05
	The five that we think are pretty clearly out of compliance so we could have this conversation.	01:51:08
	We're planning to bring back.	01:51:13
	The ones that are generally in compliance and there's there's probably a group of them that are generally in compliance when I say	01:51:15
	generally that.	01:51:19
	That means.	01:51:24
	In compliance with, you know, most of the terms of the agreement, but there might be one or two things that they're.	01:51:26
	Out of compliance on and.	01:51:32
	That those are we're going to bring those back for a conversation and then we have a group that are fully in compliance and it's	01:51:34
	it's.	01:51:38
	Pretty much.	01:51:42
	Probably in those thirds it's probably like 5-5 and five.	01:51:43
	But the other?	01:51:47
	These are the ones that have fallen significantly behind and haven't come back to work with us on like a payment plan or you know,	01:51:49
	and actually sit down and work it out and start making payments on it.	01:51:55
	So these are the five that.	01:52:01
	Have not even.	01:52:03
	Have not met that.	01:52:05
	And that was it.	01:52:10
	Yeah, just one question, City Manager, you said 555, so we actually have 15.	01:52:12
	I was just giving a rough approximation. How many do we have?	01:52:16
	So we had 17 emerald perspective.	01:52:21
	Now technically, you know the development agreement is.	01:52:24
	Is cancelled, so we now have 16.	01:52:29
	And so.	01:52:32
	And then this is.	01:52:34
	Five of those 16.	01:52:35
	Can I have one more question?	01:52:38
	So.	01:52:40
	When we feel that.	01:52:41
	You know that. Say they're at.	01:52:44
	Day 60 and we're waiting to get in council.	01:52:45
	Why can't we?	01:52:49
	Amend our ordinance.	01:52:52
	So that the city manager has the authority to start.	01:52:54
	The revocation of.	01:52:58
	The agreement.	01:53:01
	And then?	01:53:02
	Then it can come to council.	01:53:04
	The simple answer and I've.	01:53:06
	I've been asked a few questions that sort of tie back to this question of.	01:53:10
	You know, can we change the agreements?	01:53:15
	You know, and the simple answer.	01:53:18
	Is we technically could, but because there's 17 or 16 of them.	01:53:20
	And there's not really.	01:53:26
	Much incentive to the businesses to renegotiate their.	01:53:28
	Deal with us right now.	01:53:32
	That hasn't been an approach.	01:53:34
	We've attempted.	01:53:35
	My guess is, I mean even just, you know, getting some to respond for the review is difficult enough. So I guess and actually I	01:53:37
	could say this factually is we had done some adjustments to the development agreements to try to reduce their fees about 18 months	01:53:43
	ago and some of the businesses still haven't.	01:53:48
	Returned those.	01:53:53
	Agreements, which is actually like, hey, sign here and you'll save money and some still haven't done that.	01:53:55
	So so.	01:54:00
	You know, it's in a perfect world, I think.	01:54:02
	It's one of those things where timing is important and I think when.	01:54:05
	Cannabis businesses were really doing well and there was really a big incentive and Winnie B was the only city in town or, you	01:54:08
	know, city in the county and they really wanted to.	01:54:12
	To focus on Waitemi, we probably could have renegotiated.	01:54:15
	These agreements, but.	01:54:19
	We're just at a point where.	01:54:21
	It it doesn't seem.	01:54:23
	Very feasible.	01:54:25
	But I think what we're looking to do is be more.	01:54:27
	On top of not letting them fall 5 or 6 months.	01:54:31
	Behind and I think that that solves.	01:54:34
	A lot of the issues we're talking about.	01:54:37
	Great. Any other questions?	01:54:41
	One follow up.	01:54:42
	Safe to say that we have 3.	01:54:45
	Dispensaries that are.	01:54:48
	Mostly compliant and not.	01:54:50
	In default on payments to the city.	01:54:53
	I think we have a.	01:54:58
	Few more than that.	01:54:59
	I think we have.	01:55:00
	I was talking dispensaries, but so the.	01:55:02
	The delivery services is something that we never.	01:55:05
	Hear about.	01:55:08
	And I'd be interested to understand like.	01:55:10
	What's the breakdown?	01:55:13
	Delivery versus dispensary and clearly the manufacturing is.	01:55:15
	Never turned.	01:55:20
	A sale, therefore there's no money owed to the city.	01:55:21
	Yeah, the manufacturing and cultivation really haven't.	01:55:24
	Done much, I would say.	01:55:28
	I think if.	01:55:29
	So we said these are the five that are.	01:55:30
	Really.	01:55:32
	Like almost completely out of compliance I would say the other.	01:55:33
	What does that leave 11?	01:55:36
	Or at least generally.	01:55:38
	If not.	01:55:40
	Completely in compliance.	01:55:41
	Right. And then.	01:55:42
	Good to great. What I'm trying to understand is.	01:55:43
	Of those 11, how many are dispensaries?	01:55:46
	And I forgot the name of the dispensary on bulker.	01:55:50
	Which was?	01:55:52
	Cultivation and we shouldn't necessarily talk about specific dispensaries tonight, but there is one on Volcker that has.	01:55:53
	Cultivation and the only issue.	01:56:03
	Well, OK. Yeah, we're off topic. We have a total of five delivery businesses, if that helps answer your question. And the	01:56:06
	remaining businesses that were not discussed tonight will be presented at a future council meeting to City Council, right. And any	01:56:12
	business that wasn't in business and didn't generate any sales wouldn't have any.	01:56:17
	Obligation to pay us any money, therefore.	01:56:23
	Yep, not a part of this.	01:56:26
	Yeah, OK. The.	01:56:27
	Two of those businesses that never opened, never generated any money are being proposed. The are part of this tonight.	01:56:30
	Right, correct.	01:56:35
	Great. Thank you.	01:56:37
	So we've concluded our questions. So we're now going to.	01:56:38
	I open the public hearing for public input. The time is now 826. Are there any public comments regarding this item?	01:56:43
	Yes, we have one public comment from Mr. Kevin Singer.	01:56:50
	Good evening, City Council and city attorneys.	01:56:58
	I'm Kevin Singer. I'm the.	01:57:02
	Court appointed receiver and I work for Judge Mark Younger at a Santa Monica court.	01:57:04
	I'm gonna reply to you guys briefly.	01:57:11
	But I'm going to answer your questions too. I jotted them down as.	01:57:14
	As I was sitting here listening in.	01:57:17
	The reason why this was filed out of Santa Monica was because.	01:57:20
	This involves.	01:57:24
	7.	01:57:25
	Dispensaries for element 7, not just the one import.	01:57:26
	Unimi, but also other ones all throughout the state of California.	01:57:30
	So that that was the venue that was used for it to answer that question.	01:57:35
	My my main responsibility.	01:57:40
	As I was appointed to run and operate.	01:57:43
	PH investments or element 7.	01:57:46
	Who's located at 455 W Channel Island Blvd.	01:57:49
	And the reason why I was appointed is because there was a.	01:57:54
	A senior secure creditor who wasn't being paid.	01:57:58
	And So what they did is they went to the courts and said, hey.	01:58:02
	We're not being paid so.	01:58:05
	Can we have a court appointed receiver put in charge of all their businesses?	01:58:07
	To try to salvage them, run operate them.	01:58:11
	And hopefully sell them to help pay them and pay other creditors.	01:58:15
	And uh.	01:58:19
	Pay the city's taxes as well.	01:58:20
	So the the goal of my receivership is to run and operate these businesses. So taxes and creditors.	01:58:25
	And investors can be paid.	01:58:33
	And like I said, most importantly is the city, which needs to be paid as well.	01:58:35
	I just.	01:58:41
	Over the last 15 years, I've run an operator over 35 of these businesses.	01:58:42
	I've run and operated over.	01:58:48
	50 retail operations so I'm.	01:58:50
	I'm very familiar with these businesses.	01:58:53
	And everything the city attorney said about them being overly challenged these days.	01:58:56
	Is completely true.	01:59:01
	For all the reasons they mentioned.	01:59:03
	It's not. It's not the business it once was.	01:59:05
	Umm.	01:59:09
	But the one thing I want to say is about this location there.	01:59:14
	Is that it is a good location and I think it is a viable business and I think it can make it.	01:59:17
	With the right management in place.	01:59:23
	The reason why I came tonight was asked the.	01:59:26
	Council not to put this location in default or revocation.	01:59:29
	And give us 30 days to bring the taxes current.	01:59:33
	But after listening.	01:59:37
	I I guess we're going to have time anyways.	01:59:40
	That I learned tonight to pay these taxes and everything.	01:59:42
	So that we can do that, which I sincerely appreciate.	01:59:46
	Thank you very much. Certainly it would help us tremendously.	01:59:49
	If the late fees, which are almost as much as the.	01:59:54
	The fees that are due.	01:59:59
	Could be.	02:00:00
	You know, eliminated.	02:00:02
	I mean, we're currently talking with your finance department.	02:00:05
	I already have a commitment from the senior secured to pay.	02:00:08
	The actual taxes which is about $27,000.	02:00:11
	I haven't gotten the late fees out of them yet, but it would help us tremendously.	02:00:16
	But that's obviously something you need to decide as a City Council.	02:00:21
	Great.	02:00:25
	Yeah. Do we, can we hear a few? Yeah, I would, I would suggest since he's representing one of the the parties that he go right	02:00:27
	ahead.	02:00:31
	Great. I mean that those are the main thing that I got up here say.	02:00:35
	I stand ready to answer any questions you might have either about this specific business.	02:00:38
	Or or about the cannabis industry in general.	02:00:44
	Our main goal for this location is to get it back reopened again as quickly as possible.	02:00:48
	And then get it operating.	02:00:55
	And then find new ownership.	02:00:57
	To come in and.	02:00:59
	And take over and run and operate it.	02:01:01
	Our senior secured as a company called NUG.	02:01:04
	Which is.	02:01:07
	A very large.	02:01:09
	Cannabis company throughout the state of California.	02:01:10
	That I don't think they're going to see their.	02:01:13
	Their money paid back.	02:01:16
	So they're very interested in potentially taking over this location and running and operating it so.	02:01:17
	That's most likely the direction we'll go as this moves forward.	02:01:24
	I think it would be a great operator.	02:01:27
	Very stable, very compliant.	02:01:30
	And a good person to have in this community.	02:01:33
	OK, that's it. Great to answer any other questions.	02:01:36
	I'm, I'm not sure we want to take this as the public comment section of we're going to come back to a discussion. Are you going to	02:01:40
	be here?	02:01:43
	If you'd like me to, I'd be happy. Can you just, can you just wait? Do we have any other public comments?	02:01:47
	No other public comments? Well, there you go.	02:01:52
	Any questions, Mayor Pro Tem?	02:01:56
	Yeah, so.	02:01:58
	So.	02:02:01
	City.	02:02:02
	Assistant City Manager, You said that they paid July, August.	02:02:04
	Taxes are.	02:02:08
	To the general fund, correct?	02:02:10
	So September what?	02:02:12
	Was whether they compliant.	02:02:13
	The month of September they were not operating.	02:02:16
	OK, so is the goal.	02:02:18
	Of element 7 to.	02:02:21
	Is like a venture capitalist you.	02:02:23
	Get the business.	02:02:25
	Groomed to sell.	02:02:26
	The primary goal, yes, yes, I mean that's we're going to get it reopened again. That's the goal.	02:02:28
	Obviously.	02:02:34
	I think Nug is very interested in coming in and running and operating this.	02:02:36
	You know, but.	02:02:41
	They want to be reassured that it's, you know, not, not going to be shut down if they're going to invest money, pay taxes, things	02:02:42
	like that.	02:02:46
	That the intention is not to.	02:02:49
	To close down the business and I'm not asking the city to.	02:02:52
	Give a response to that.	02:02:55
	But based on my experience, I think it's a viable.	02:02:57
	Location, I think it could be a good business there.	02:03:01
	And that's the direction we're going to go.	02:03:04
	Have any other questions, attorney?	02:03:07
	You have anything?	02:03:08
	The only.	02:03:09
	Comment I have is with respect to a new operator.	02:03:10
	Wouldn't that operator need to be approved by both the state and the city?	02:03:15
	And I don't think that that has happened yet.	02:03:20
	And also in connection with a potential sale.	02:03:23
	That would have to be approved by judge.	02:03:27
	Is my.	02:03:29
	Understanding of the process and that hasn't happened yet.	02:03:30
	Is that correct? Yeah, that that's correct. All those things need to happen.	02:03:34
	Including.	02:03:39
	Yes.	02:03:40
	Well, first we need to get.	02:03:43
	Straightened out with the city, we need to get on good terms.	02:03:45
	With with the city and everything.	02:03:48
	We need to work towards reopening this location and know that.	02:03:50
	That that's going to be a.	02:03:53
	Viable path forward.	02:03:55
	And then the next step is we'd bring it in for a court approval.	02:03:57
	With the court to approve it.	02:04:00
	And then the next step would probably be we'd, we'd probably what we can, we can do it now, we'd probably enter into some type of	02:04:02
	management service agreement.	02:04:06
	So they're not owners of it.	02:04:10
	But they're running and operating the business under the.	02:04:12
	The receivership as a manager of the business, even though the receiver still overseeing it.	02:04:15
	Making sure they're making payments, making sure they're doing everything legal.	02:04:21
	And then the court approves it.	02:04:25
	And then it comes to the city.	02:04:26
	And the city has to interview them and decide.	02:04:29
	If they're going to allow them to become owners of the business.	02:04:31
	And then the next step is we have to take it to the state.	02:04:36
	And we have to get the state.	02:04:39
	To issue them new licenses.	02:04:41
	If the city is willing.	02:04:43
	To take them on as owners.	02:04:46
	So there's a lot of steps. Excuse me, My understanding is that the state has authorized you to be the operator, not somebody else.	02:04:48
	Is that correct?	02:04:52
	Operator overseer of the business.	02:04:58
	It doesn't preclude me.	02:05:01
	From hiring management companies to come in and manage and operating it.	02:05:02
	And that's what they be. The role would be management.	02:05:06
	Do you have any other questions, Mayor Projek?	02:05:10
	Did you have something? Yes, just.	02:05:12
	We we aren't doing this yet, but.	02:05:17
	But just.	02:05:20
	I was gonna just note.	02:05:22
	Typically when we do these reviews.	02:05:24
	If I would always advise.	02:05:27
	You know, it starts to maybe turn into a compromise.	02:05:29
	A negotiation on the dais, which is always challenging, so I'll just note that.	02:05:33
	Yeah, yeah. And our city attorney just said do not do that. So, but I'll just note that.	02:05:39
	Again with that 30 day period that.	02:05:45
	What we can commit to do, if the council agrees, is that we will have our team connect with Mr. Singer, which I do appreciate you	02:05:49
	coming out and representing, so we can have our team connect and.	02:05:55
	Put together.	02:06:02
	Something that can be presented to the Council to consider within that period.	02:06:03
	Great. Thank you.	02:06:07
	You have any questions, are you?	02:06:09
	Prepared to.	02:06:11
	Pay the principal balance.	02:06:13
	That's what's been indicated to me today, that they had meetings with the senior secured and they.	02:06:17
	They have indicated that they're willing to advance that money to the receivership estate to pay the.	02:06:22
	The principle.	02:06:29
	So the answer is yes.	02:06:30
	Thank you.	02:06:31
	Right. Any question?	02:06:34
	Have any questions?	02:06:35
	OK, so.	02:06:37
	So if there are no other.	02:06:39
	Public comments. We're going to close the public hearing.	02:06:42
	And the time is now 836.	02:06:47
	So we have the recommendation before us, Deputy city manager.	02:06:51
	Do I need to read this over or council members you see the recommendations? I'm sure you've reviewed the recommendations.	02:06:57
	May I have a motion?	02:07:05
	And a second.	02:07:07
	Right. So these are the recommendations of staff.	02:07:12
	So moved.	02:07:16
	2nd.	02:07:19
	And Mayor, if we can just note.	02:07:22
	Oh, go ahead.	02:07:24
	With within that I assume there's direction for staff to.	02:07:25
	Reach out to Mr. Singer. Yes.	02:07:29
	And that.	02:07:31
	And and of voting in the affirmative is to.	02:07:32
	Move all items into default allowing for the 30 day.	02:07:36
	Right. Everybody got that.	02:07:41
	OK. Any other discussion comments?	02:07:42
	Madam Clerk.	02:07:45
	Councilmember Gama.	02:07:47
	Yes.	02:07:51
	Councilmember Hernandez, Yes.	02:07:52
	Councilmember Perez, Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Lopez, Yes. And Mayor McQueen Lucian.	02:07:53
	Yes, motion passes unanimously.	02:07:57
	Great.	02:08:00
	Thank you for your report.	02:08:01
	OK, we're going to move on to item number 10. Introduce ordinance to adopt 2025 edition of the California Building Standards.	02:08:04
	Code Madam Clerk, do you have proof of publication as required by law and a complete files?	02:08:13
	Complete file of reports and exhibits. Yes, Madam Mayor.	02:08:20
	Great.	02:08:23
	Will staff present the report?	02:08:24
	Yes, thank you and I'm gonna.	02:08:27
	Handed over. We do our building code updates every three years and I'm going to.	02:08:29
	Introduce our building official Tom Jews we act who.	02:08:35
	Go through this process leads us through these processes and He's here to give.	02:08:39
	A little bit of information on.	02:08:44
	This year's building code update.	02:08:45
	Thank you.	02:08:49
	This is a little DRY, just to be honest. All right?	02:08:52
	Thank you for having me in here tonight.	02:08:55
	Before you is the introduction of the ordinance.	02:08:56
	For the adoption of the Building Code Standards code.	02:08:59
	With the city's local amendments.	02:09:02
	Every three years we have to adopt the code.	02:09:04
	They are reissued by the state.	02:09:07
	And in those codes we have.	02:09:09
	Adopted.	02:09:13
	Local.	02:09:14
	Amendments.	02:09:15
	And for those amendments to carry through, we need to read adopt them every three years with the code.	02:09:16
	This year is a little bit.	02:09:24
	Fun.	02:09:26
	The state has a has.	02:09:28
	Approved Assembly Bill 1:30.	02:09:31
	Which?	02:09:34
	Restricts the.	02:09:35
	Excuse me? Prohibits.	02:09:37
	The cities from considering improving or adopting any proposed.	02:09:38
	Building standards affecting residential units.	02:09:42
	Unless certain conditions are met.	02:09:47
	This effectively says that the cities cannot.	02:09:50
	Adopt any.	02:09:55
	Amendments.	02:09:59
	To the building code that would affect.	02:10:01
	Residential units.	02:10:05
	Between.	02:10:07
	October 1st.	02:10:08
	2025.	02:10:09
	And June 1st.	02:10:11
	2031.	02:10:13
	With that said.	02:10:16
	We are carrying forward all of the amendments from the previous code cycle.	02:10:18
	There is one.	02:10:23
	Change that was amended.	02:10:25
	To the ordinance and the staff report.	02:10:27
	Earlier.	02:10:30
	And that is to add.	02:10:31
	Appendix G of the building code.	02:10:33
	And what this is, is for the floodplain construction.	02:10:36
	And to allow.	02:10:40
	The building code to align with.	02:10:41
	The requirements of.	02:10:44
	The floodplain management program.	02:10:47
	With that we have.	02:10:52
	The other.	02:10:55
	Amendments that we're carrying forward are.	02:10:55
	Pool fencing.	02:10:58
	Foundation in grading improvement requirements.	02:11:00
	Because we have expansive soils.	02:11:03
	Pool design requirements.	02:11:07
	We are adopting the International Property Maintenance code again.	02:11:09
	That is.	02:11:12
	To help us with the code enforcement.	02:11:13
	And then post disaster safety assessment placards.	02:11:16
	So I'll have if you have any questions, I'm available.	02:11:22
	Are there any questions?	02:11:25
	Any questions at all?	02:11:28
	Did you mention Appendix G?	02:11:29
	Yes, OK.	02:11:32
	I missed it looking for that.	02:11:33
	In the report I couldn't find it.	02:11:36
	The update was.	02:11:41
	Issued this morning.	02:11:42
	Yes. So we issued the update.	02:11:43
	This morning that included Appendix G to maintain floodplain map consistency, correct?	02:11:45
	OK, great, great.	02:11:52
	Go right.	02:11:54
	Does the building code regulate signage?	02:11:55
	Or is that somewhere else in our ordinance?	02:11:59
	According to like a size of signs, placement of signs.	02:12:03
	No, that would actually be in the planning code.	02:12:07
	Senator, City code.	02:12:10
	Thank you.	02:12:11
	So for.	02:12:13
	For development for mixed.	02:12:14
	Use like residential, commercial.	02:12:18
	Is there any?	02:12:21
	Thing that the city can enforce.	02:12:23
	Oh, we zoning?	02:12:27
	We we enforce the minimum building code still.	02:12:29
	So the minimum code still applies.	02:12:32
	We can't just go.	02:12:34
	Above.	02:12:37
	Any of the minimum code that we haven't previously adopted.	02:12:38
	And all of our amendments.	02:12:43
	Also have to be.	02:12:46
	Backed by.	02:12:48
	Findings.	02:12:54
	That are either.	02:12:55
	Climactic, topographical, or geological?	02:12:57
	In in nature.	02:13:01
	That allows us to find a reason.	02:13:03
	That we can impose that within the city.	02:13:05
	Is there any?	02:13:09
	You know, has been.	02:13:10
	Any city.	02:13:11
	In California, that is challenging this ruling.	02:13:12
	I'm not aware of that.	02:13:17
	OK, yeah, that's all I got.	02:13:18
	In the past.	02:13:20
	And Tom?	02:13:22
	Tom has been building official and uh.	02:13:24
	A lot of cities in the county and so in the past, some of the cities in our county.	02:13:26
	When the.	02:13:31
	Fire like updated fire maps and updated fire standards come out.	02:13:33
	Those.	02:13:36
	Become.	02:13:38
	Additional building code requirements that.	02:13:39
	That cities will argue about and so.	02:13:42
	So there has been times in the past, but this year with that new state law that basically says we can't do much, we haven't heard	02:13:46
	about anybody really trying that this this cycle.	02:13:50
	But it is a good thing that.	02:13:56
	It's dry this year.	02:13:57
	All right, Well, that.	02:13:59
	Our update is dry, not the weather.	02:14:00
	Because it means that we don't have those kinds of problems, right? Added on SO.	02:14:03
	But.	02:14:09
	To tag on what James is saying.	02:14:11
	In the next meeting.	02:14:14
	Next meeting with Dave, was that sorry?	02:14:16
	November 17th, yeah.	02:14:19
	On the November 17th, we're going to bring this back.	02:14:21
	And have a second public hearing.	02:14:24
	For or, that's a recommendation.	02:14:27
	To reintroduce this, but along with that, we're going to parallel that with.	02:14:31
	The fire code.	02:14:37
	Which we use Ventura County Fire Protection District.	02:14:39
	And so they enforce the fire code for us.	02:14:43
	And so.	02:14:45
	There are amendments to their code that we have to accept.	02:14:47
	And so that comes.	02:14:52
	That'll be agendized on the November 17th.	02:14:53
	Meeting as a resolution.	02:14:59
	To adopt their amendment.	02:15:01
	To specific portions of their amendments, there's only certain things that we can.	02:15:04
	Except great. Are there any other questions?	02:15:09
	Yeah, I'm trying to. I'm looking at.	02:15:12
	Assembly Bill 130 has to.	02:15:14
	What the significance is of it? It's just a bunch of.	02:15:16
	Is there anything that stands out that we should be aware of?	02:15:19
	There's a lot in that.	02:15:22
	It is a very, very.	02:15:24
	Large and.	02:15:26
	Detailed.	02:15:28
	A lot of it has to do with.	02:15:30
	It's all about housing.	02:15:31
	And So what I look at.	02:15:32
	Pull everything out is about the building code.	02:15:36
	And this is the biggest.	02:15:38
	Impact on the building code for the next six years.	02:15:41
	Which means the next two code cycles.	02:15:43
	The cities cannot.	02:15:47
	Amend the code.	02:15:48
	Unless there's specific reasons.	02:15:50
	For emergency ordinance.	02:15:53
	Yeah.	02:15:57
	OK. The public hearing is now open for public input and the time is 8:45.	02:15:59
	Are there any public comments regarding this item?	02:16:04
	No public comments.	02:16:07
	OK, we'll close the.	02:16:09
	Public hearing.	02:16:11
	Is still 845.	02:16:13
	And so we have before us.	02:16:15
	Three items, three recommendations introduced the first reading by title only and waive further reading of the ordinance and title	02:16:22
	and ordinance of the City Council.	02:16:26
	Of the city of Port Winemie, California, meaning.	02:16:31
	8 Building regulations of the Port Winding Municipal Code incorporating.	02:16:34
	The California Building Standard code.	02:16:38
	By reference as follows.	02:16:41
	One California building code and appendices C.	02:16:44
	GI and J.	02:16:47
	California residential building code.	02:16:50
	With appendix BF.	02:16:52
	And California Green building standard code.	02:16:54
	2025 Edition.	02:16:58
	#2 California electrical code.	02:17:01
	2025 edition #3 California plumbing code.	02:17:04
	2025 edition #4 California Mechanical.	02:17:08
	Code 2025 edition #5 California Administrative Code.	02:17:12
	2025 Edition.	02:17:16
	6 California Energy Code, 2025 edition #7.	02:17:18
	California existing building code, 2025 edition.	02:17:22
	#8 California Wildland Urban Interface Code, 2025 edition.	02:17:26
	International property.	02:17:31
	9.	02:17:33
	International Property Maintenance Code 2024 edition #10.	02:17:35
	International Swimming Pool and SPA Code 2024 edition.	02:17:39
	#10.	02:17:44
	Gypsum association. Fire resistive.	02:17:46
	Design manual.	02:17:51
	3rd Edition.	02:17:53
	GA62024 and making miscellaneous revisions to article.	02:17:54
	8 building regulations.	02:17:59
	To provide consistency with the California Building Standards Code.	02:18:02
	And #2.	02:18:06
	Schedule a public hearing for the City Council's November 17, 2025 meeting.	02:18:07
	To consider adoption of the proposed ordinance and #3.	02:18:11
	Designate the City Clerk to publish a summary of the proposed ordinance at least 5 days.	02:18:15
	Before the City Council meeting, at which?	02:18:20
	The proposed ordinance is to be considered.	02:18:22
	Or adoption.	02:18:25
	May I have a motion and a second?	02:18:28
	Are we supposed to have two 10s in there?	02:18:30
	The international swimming, I think that's the type of should be 10 and then 11.	02:18:34
	So I think we have to, we have to read it all over again.	02:18:39
	Got caught up reading them around. No no no.	02:18:43
	OK. Thank you for that. And and with that, may we have a motion and a second?	02:18:47
	So move second.	02:18:51
	All right. Any discussion?	02:18:55
	No OK, Madam Clerk.	02:18:57
	OK, Councilmember Gama.	02:18:58
	Yes, Councilmember Hernandez. Yes.	02:19:01
	Councilmember Press Yes.	02:19:04
	Mayor Pro Tem Lopez.	02:19:05
	And Mayor McQueen Lejeune, Yes, motion passes unanimously.	02:19:07
	OK. Now we're going to move to Item 11, the Business item park reservation process overview.	02:19:10
	Will staff please present the report?	02:19:17
	Thank you and.	02:19:20
	Anna Hanley, our recreation and community services manager, is going to give a presentation.	02:19:21
	We wanted to provide this presentation, we had said when.	02:19:26
	We got.	02:19:31
	The Bubbling Springs project done and.	02:19:32
	And got some new.	02:19:35
	Facilities available to the public online that we the 1st.	02:19:39
	Six months, but probably more like a year was going to be a learning period and that we'd come back to council and talk about	02:19:44
	what's working, what's not working and what things we were looking at doing.	02:19:49
	And so.	02:19:55
	So I think this is the first of those where we've had some experience now renting out the facilities at the park and we've.	02:19:56
	Learned a couple of things and then some things we want to.	02:20:02
	Try out SO.	02:20:05
	With that, I'll hand it over to.	02:20:06
	Anna Haley.	02:20:09
	Good evening Mayor, Mayor Pro Tem, council, members of the public and staff.	02:20:11
	As the city manager mentioned, Item 11 on the agenda is intended to provide an overview of the park reservation system.	02:20:16
	With a focus on the newly offered amenities at Bubbling Springs Park.	02:20:23
	This evenings presentation will highlight the process by which to place a reservation.	02:20:28
	Reviews associated fees and discusses future considerations.	02:20:33
	As pictured here, we have the four ball fields which are no longer exclusively used by the Port Wayne ME Little League.	02:20:42
	These fields are reservable outside of the predetermined.	02:20:49
	Hours covered under the priority use agreement with the league.	02:20:53
	Related to Port Wayne Amy Little League's operation.	02:20:57
	Of the concession stand is.	02:21:00
	Picnic area #2.	02:21:02
	Immediately adjacent to the snack.	02:21:04
	This covered picnic area is only reservable when the league.	02:21:07
	Does not have established field reservations.	02:21:10
	And these states are pre built into the reservation system.	02:21:13
	Also on this slide is Picnic area #1.	02:21:18
	That picnic area, on the other hand?	02:21:22
	Thus far is our most.	02:21:25
	Popular and sought after reservable space within the park.	02:21:26
	Which is likely due to its proximity to the playground and the public restroom building.	02:21:30
	Also featured on this slide are multi use fields #1 and #2.	02:21:36
	And those are the synthetic turf fields in the South.	02:21:42
	Portion of the park parcel.	02:21:44
	Which are also in constant use.	02:21:46
	However, we have not yet seen a high volume of formal reservations.	02:21:49
	For this space it's increasing, but most users are partaking in it in.	02:21:53
	Impromptu play in this particular portion of the facility.	02:21:58
	Here we have photographs of the reservation kiosks which are adjacent to the reservoir.	02:22:09
	Amenities.	02:22:15
	Featured within the kiosks are.	02:22:16
	The titles of the reservoir space and this helps members of the public.	02:22:19
	Identify these spaces when referencing.	02:22:23
	Them on the city's website.	02:22:26
	We're providing a QR code that will also take anyone directly to the reservation landing page.	02:22:28
	Where they can create their user account and begin the reservation process.	02:22:34
	Inside of the kiosk is also where you can find current permits posted.	02:22:39
	We ask for general awareness.	02:22:44
	That anyone occupying these spaces check the kiosk for potential incoming reservations or permits.	02:22:46
	And alongside all of that, you can also find the contact information for the Recreation and Community Services division within	02:22:53
	those kiosks.	02:22:57
	So from that QR code that I mentioned in the previous slide, an interested party can find themselves then on the Civic Rec.	02:23:08
	Registration platform.	02:23:15
	After creating a user account, a full menu of pricing options becomes available and the perspective.	02:23:17
	Reservations may be submitted for review.	02:23:24
	Staff conducts a review of every pending reservation submission prior to payment and permit issuance.	02:23:27
	And we are reviewing these reservation submissions for alignment with the required time frame.	02:23:33
	We currently require submissions to be no less than three business days and no farther out than 21 business days.	02:23:39
	We're also verifying the scope of use.	02:23:46
	Is this a straightforward reservation from a community member? Or for instance, is this a tournament use request?	02:23:49
	We're also checking to see if the reservation is categorically subject.	02:23:55
	To the collection of a certificate of insurance.	02:23:59
	We need to verify residency.	02:24:02
	Or collect 501-C3 documentation.	02:24:05
	Once the review is complete, account holders are prompted via e-mail to finalize their payment.	02:24:08
	And then they receive a receipt and a permit in return by e-mail.	02:24:14
	I did want to note that outside of permitted reservations, all amenities are operated on a first come, first served basis.	02:24:18
	This slide features the fee schedule for amenities within Bubbling Springs Park.	02:24:30
	There is a distinction of resident versus non resident fees.	02:24:35
	Fees are higher for the use of lights at the ball fields and multi use fields.	02:24:39
	There are minimum hour requirements and no current cap on maximum number of hours.	02:24:44
	Fees do not include the presence of a staff attendant or preparatory maintenance beyond regular scheduled activity.	02:24:51
	And I did want to also note that we did identify there as a meeting room space.	02:24:58
	That is also available for reservation within the Sports Plaza building.	02:25:03
	However, it's very limited in scope and.	02:25:08
	And outside of the port Wayne Amy Little League seasonal use and so those are.	02:25:10
	Just the few dates within within the entire calendar year.	02:25:14
	It has been identified that additional signage in regards to reservable spaces needs to be included.	02:25:24
	It also needs to include the expectations to vacate the amenity.	02:25:30
	In alignment with any pre reserve time that is supported by a permit.	02:25:34
	We've also always known that there would be an ongoing assessment of fee rates and varying user groups.	02:25:39
	And we're consistently monitoring activity in the park and encourage inquiries.	02:25:45
	And invite the public to communicate their needs when it comes to public spaces.	02:25:49
	We intend to roll out a post reservation survey process, so please look for that in the coming months. I think we'll find that	02:25:54
	beneficial as we go forward.	02:25:57
	And staff is also hopeful that this presentation specifically will increase awareness and participation in the reservation	02:26:02
	process.	02:26:05
	Quite frankly, we're building an entirely new culture when it comes to reservable spaces in our park system.	02:26:09
	And with these changes, we hope to acclimate everyone to the evolving.	02:26:15
	Reservations as they become available.	02:26:19
	And we're now available for any questions that you may have.	02:26:25
	Are there any questions?	02:26:27
	So I do support the additional signage.	02:26:31
	Issue and as you are aware I was.	02:26:34
	Have to be in the area where an issue came up.	02:26:37
	That is bringing. This is the reason for.	02:26:40
	That additional signage, has there been any?	02:26:43
	Further discussion as to.	02:26:45
	When that is going to take place or if it will be.	02:26:46
	Happening or is it something council needs to approve first?	02:26:49
	I think we'll have to divert specifically to the.	02:26:53
	Police Department for their insight and recommendation, but that analysis will be forthcoming and will be working.	02:26:56
	In the coming weeks to.	02:27:02
	To speak with them in regards to that issue.	02:27:04
	Thank you.	02:27:06
	Right, Councillor Mcgah.	02:27:07
	Is there staff time built in like say if somebody?	02:27:10
	Reserves the picnic area and they have a BBQ.	02:27:14
	Bunch of people is staffed.	02:27:17
	Time built into.	02:27:19
	Come out and.	02:27:21
	Check in or check out the group.	02:27:23
	Not at this time. Currently, so there is no staff attendant assigned to any current reservation that exists within the park	02:27:26
	system.	02:27:29
	Do we?	02:27:33
	Are we made aware of?	02:27:35
	How many people are expected to?	02:27:36
	Vacant to populate the.	02:27:39
	The area.	02:27:41
	In other words, I'm trying to understand if.	02:27:43
	If somebody.	02:27:45
	Rents a place out and has a big old party.	02:27:46
	And causes a lot of problems.	02:27:49
	You know, how do we identify that other than somebody calling the police or.	02:27:51
	Something like that.	02:27:55
	Interesting as far as monitoring the number of guests in attendance.	02:27:57
	Is that your question Specifically my question is.	02:28:01
	You know, do we monitor what's going on? Do we?	02:28:05
	Because it just seems to me that.	02:28:08
	You know, somebody could.	02:28:10
	Go way beyond the scope of.	02:28:12
	What they're paying for and how do we?	02:28:14
	Manage that, Sure. So at this point in time, what we're doing regularly is entering into a dialogue with any reserving party.	02:28:16
	And that's part of that staff assessment is we want to engage them to really understand the scope of.	02:28:23
	Of the intended reservation.	02:28:28
	We have had an issue where.	02:28:30
	People will assume, well, if I am able to reserve this space and then I can go ahead and use it as I see fit.	02:28:31
	For instance.	02:28:37
	I may want to hold a free public event.	02:28:39
	Well, they may engage vendors and or.	02:28:42
	Impede the public's right of way or access those spaces?	02:28:45
	In that moment in time, we would encourage them to submit a special use.	02:28:49
	Permit application? What if they didn't?	02:28:53
	What if they just said we're gonna just go the bare minimum and then we're just gonna have this big old party and then?	02:28:55
	Sure. Which unfortunately at this moment in time is something that could happen. And so if it's during off hours or outside of the	02:29:01
	scope of our normal business hours.	02:29:05
	The point of contact that they have within the city at this time would be the Police Department.	02:29:10
	Right, if somebody became concerned.	02:29:16
	Like if if I.	02:29:18
	Go to the dog park. I'm like, what is going on over there? There's a band, there's kegs, there's.	02:29:20
	All kinds of stuff so that it would be incumbent on me to.	02:29:25
	Phone it in and if somebody doesn't phone it in then.	02:29:28
	You may or may not.	02:29:31
	Be aware of it.	02:29:34
	At the end of the.	02:29:35
	Party.	02:29:36
	That's when MCAM, I'll just add as Miss Hanley explained before the process includes the submission of a reservation and then	02:29:37
	subject to review by staff. So staff is looking.	02:29:42
	For things that would be consistent with traditional park reservations. And Anna's example isn't just a hypothetical that those	02:29:47
	situations have actually happened.	02:29:51
	Where during the review process it's been identified that this is not a typical park permit process. It's much larger thing that	02:29:55
	would be more appropriate for a special use permit.	02:29:58
	So if someone is.	02:30:02
	Withholding information and doesn't share it. It could happen, but I just wanted to reaffirm that.	02:30:04
	The existing process does allow for staff review and identification of which is the proper route to take so that we do have.	02:30:09
	Special uses accounted for properly.	02:30:15
	What I was just going to expand on that by suggesting that by way of a presentation such as this in a conversation.	02:30:18
	We're encouraging the public to communicate with us so we can give them the correct path in order to submit or hold.	02:30:25
	A sanctioned event such as that.	02:30:31
	Thanks. And then.	02:30:33
	I was looking for Miranda Park on here because I live very close to it.	02:30:35
	And the pickle Ballers.	02:30:38
	I could see.	02:30:43
	A pickleball.	02:30:44
	Tournament.	02:30:45
	Wanting to occur at Miranda Park.	02:30:47
	I mean, it's just.	02:30:49
	It's not uncommon.	02:30:50
	To see.	02:30:52
	The parking lot completely full and people.	02:30:53
	Spill it into the neighborhood around the park.	02:30:56
	So just wondering.	02:30:59
	Has any consideration been made for like renting out the pickleball courts for a tournament or something like that?	02:31:00
	We did. We had to modify our internal guidelines as far as pickleball reservations specifically to address an inundation of	02:31:06
	tournament requests.	02:31:11
	They were being submitted by.	02:31:15
	People that claim, but they were nonprofit groups, but it was.	02:31:18
	Groups that were identified to continue and promote pickleball tournaments.	02:31:23
	For profit.	02:31:27
	Yeah, bring it up, because I did see one group and they're actually selling tennis shoes.	02:31:28
	And brackets and all the stuff.	02:31:33
	So that was modified to change that. Any pickleball tournament requires the Co sponsorship from the city and it would come before	02:31:36
	the council for their consideration. Your consideration? Excuse me?	02:31:40
	OK, just to be clear to the public.	02:31:45
	Reservation of pickleball courts can be made, but I believe if it's more than two.	02:31:47
	It requires.	02:31:51
	Co sponsorship and goes through the City Council so.	02:31:53
	As Andy indicated, we've we found that other.	02:31:56
	Recreation districts and other agencies.	02:31:58
	Have modified their practices and there was a little while a year or so ago that resulted in more requests of the city of Port	02:32:01
	Wayne me so we modified our practice to ensure that anything that's going to.	02:32:06
	Burden the courts with a tournament would have to.	02:32:11
	And before the City Council for just to be clear, is there a fee for that?	02:32:14
	For pickle balls.	02:32:18
	Yes.	02:32:20
	There is an established rental fee for the pickleball.	02:32:21
	OK.	02:32:24
	Any questions?	02:32:27
	I do.	02:32:28
	So when did the?	02:32:30
	Did I? When did the app?	02:32:32
	Go live with the new bubbly Spring Springs area.	02:32:34
	So we don't.	02:32:38
	Have an app.	02:32:39
	Per se, but the website did take a while for us to establish ourselves. Quite frankly, there was a bit of a learning curve and I	02:32:40
	believe.	02:32:44
	Some of those first few reservations.	02:32:48
	Quite quite honestly had a few errors associated with them so.	02:32:51
	Forgive me but I can't remember the exact date now, but it did take a few weeks after the park opened before we had.	02:32:57
	The website up and running properly.	02:33:03
	Alongside, we were waiting for training associated with the use of the lights.	02:33:06
	And so now all staff is able to schedule.	02:33:11
	Remotely the use of the lights associated with any reservation.	02:33:15
	Got it. So when I go to the app and I.	02:33:19
	I reserve a spot.	02:33:22
	If there's it's going to be blacked out for days that are already.	02:33:25
	Occupied. Correct.	02:33:28
	Sure. So when you.	02:33:30
	Time on the calendar. It'll immediately populate to the right of your date.	02:33:32
	Of choice.	02:33:37
	What times remain available for reservation?	02:33:38
	And so there could be an instance where there is a portion of the day that's already blocked out for existing reservation and only	02:33:41
	what's available remaining for that reservable space.	02:33:45
	Will will show be revealed to you?	02:33:50
	So how far?	02:33:53
	In advance, can you actually make reservations?	02:33:55
	So we we cap it at 21 days. So we don't want anyone to particularly monopoly monopolize those spaces.	02:33:57
	So.	02:34:05
	So the winemie. Literally.	02:34:07
	They they seem to have, you know, the 1st.	02:34:09
	First come, first serve.	02:34:12
	But they also host tournaments from.	02:34:14
	When they're off season.	02:34:16
	How are we?	02:34:18
	How is the city being notified that?	02:34:21
	They're gonna host tournaments that are not part of the.	02:34:23
	My name is.	02:34:26
	Sure. So under the priority use agreement they're sanctioned to have, I believe it's up to three tournaments outside of their	02:34:28
	normal league.	02:34:31
	Play and so they have a.	02:34:35
	Existing priority use agreement with the city in which we've identified the number of hours.	02:34:37
	That they require for each season.	02:34:43
	On weekdays and then also a separate number of hours that they require.	02:34:45
	On weekends.	02:34:50
	In addition to their tournament play.	02:34:51
	So the way it is supposed to work and so this was a new year, first year of their their priorities agreement, which was a change.	02:34:53
	But I have to say they've been incredibly great partners and being commutative as.	02:34:59
	And knowing that.	02:35:04
	These are now public spaces, so they're sharing them with members of the public.	02:35:07
	They're doing a really good job of communicating to us.	02:35:12
	What? Uh.	02:35:14
	They need as far as tournament play and all of those were approved.	02:35:15
	By the Recreation and Community Services Division in advance of.	02:35:20
	Of those established states.	02:35:24
	OK, so since the picnic areas are.	02:35:26
	Which are heavily used.	02:35:28
	So an example I actually ran.	02:35:32
	On a Saturday.	02:35:35
	I'm pretty sure.	02:35:38
	It was used.	02:35:40
	By Winemie Little League.	02:35:41
	Friday night.	02:35:43
	So when we got there in the morning.	02:35:44
	We had to clean the area.	02:35:46
	We had to take out the trash because it was.	02:35:48
	It was.	02:35:51
	Trashes were full.	02:35:52
	I've got a blower. How to blow it all out?	02:35:53
	Why can't we use staff for that?	02:35:57
	Our current operation does not allow.	02:36:01
	Or we wouldn't have the ability in order to supply staff on site for that.	02:36:04
	We would need to take into consideration.	02:36:09
	Speaking with our landscape division as far as.	02:36:12
	Whether or not they have the means to supply.	02:36:15
	That type of staff response.	02:36:18
	That's why we are calling out in this presentation that it.	02:36:20
	Currently is not.	02:36:23
	A part of the fee schedule.	02:36:24
	And is not.	02:36:26
	Part of our procedural rollout.	02:36:27
	And if I if I could just add to that that the.	02:36:29
	That'd be the the main thing.	02:36:32
	When we set the fees.	02:36:34
	For Bubbling Springs Park, which again when we set them, we said.	02:36:36
	We don't know how popular this is going to be. We don't know.	02:36:39
	You know, we don't know if people are really going to jump on it. It looks like it's been pretty popular because we've had 24 and	02:36:43
	five months, which is basically one every weekend.	02:36:47
	But when we set them.	02:36:52
	The focus, I think, at that point that we had talked about and with the Council was.	02:36:53
	On keeping costs low.	02:36:57
	Versus, you know.	02:37:00
	Cadillac service at Cadillac prices.	02:37:02
	So it's something we could look at.	02:37:05
	We just have to have that conversation.	02:37:07
	Because as a reminder.	02:37:09
	You know, using.	02:37:11
	All the taxpayers dollars to pay for somebody to service 1.	02:37:13
	Person who's renting the park.	02:37:16
	Isn't, isn't.	02:37:18
	You know, the way we would.	02:37:20
	Proposed to do that, it would be the person using it and getting that service is paying for the cost.	02:37:22
	And just like everything else, the costs of staff.	02:37:27
	At the city level.	02:37:30
	Or, you know, in California especially is not cheap. It's.	02:37:32
	I think it would put the.	02:37:36
	Price out of reach for a lot of people, but it's it's an approach we can look at. It's just a different approach than we had said.	02:37:37
	So I mean it is generating.	02:37:44
	Money.	02:37:47
	And we're not talking about a.	02:37:48
	We're not talking about 8 hours. I think we're talking maybe, you know, one to two hours of work.	02:37:50
	That somebody would probably volunteer for.	02:37:55
	The other question I have is.	02:37:58
	The restrooms that are near picnic area #2.	02:38:01
	Will when you rent that space.	02:38:05
	That.	02:38:08
	That restroom's not opened.	02:38:09
	And it just seems.	02:38:12
	Like your guests have to walk all the way to the other restroom?	02:38:14
	What's the purpose of having a restroom if it's only used for?	02:38:18
	Literally.	02:38:21
	Why can't we open it?	02:38:22
	For for our residents.	02:38:24
	I understand and I think we would have to take.	02:38:27
	That into consideration as well. Operationally it's incur.	02:38:29
	Currently it was intended just for the use in conjunction with the priority use agreement for the league.	02:38:33
	So I think we'll take that into consideration. Thank you.	02:38:41
	I have a comment about the.	02:38:43
	Bathrooms. No, I don't.	02:38:46
	Up one more.	02:38:48
	Oh, that's it, Go ahead.	02:39:02
	Go ahead.	02:39:04
	I just have a comment. We used to have the bathrooms open.	02:39:05
	All the time to the public.	02:39:08
	And they kept being destroyed by homeless or people.	02:39:09
	So we decided to lock them.	02:39:13
	Because the amount of.	02:39:15
	Upkeep and maintenance and repair that we that our facilities had to do was just.	02:39:17
	Was no way.	02:39:21
	Yeah, I get that.	02:39:22
	But I'm saying if if someone's reserving.	02:39:24
	Picnic area number.	02:39:26
	The restroom should go with it.	02:39:28
	And then when it's done, they.	02:39:30
	You lock it up.	02:39:32
	At the end of the.	02:39:33
	At the end of the rental time.	02:39:35
	Just seems like that's something that the city should be doing since they're actually reserving.	02:39:37
	That area.	02:39:41
	And I understand you're identifying the secondary set of bathrooms, so just for clarity, the main public restroom building does	02:39:44
	remain open during park hours and is available for public.	02:39:49
	Thank you. Great. Any other questions?	02:39:54
	Just want to follow up a little bit on what.	02:39:58
	Mayor Pro Tem had to say and and.	02:40:00
	What I'm trying to articulate is that.	02:40:03
	Would it be worthwhile?	02:40:06
	Worthwhile.	02:40:09
	To build in staff time.	02:40:10
	To common.	02:40:14
	For lack of a better.	02:40:17
	Police the area because.	02:40:19
	If if.	02:40:21
	If the second renter comes on Saturday.	02:40:23
	And the place is full of trash and stuff.	02:40:28
	You know, kind of.	02:40:31
	And if.	02:40:33
	The trash was.	02:40:34
	Left negligently by a party, you know, I mean, it's like.	02:40:36
	It's not fair to the person who's renting the place to have to clean up.	02:40:40
	In order to have their event and so.	02:40:44
	I do know that.	02:40:47
	I've interacted with the.	02:40:48
	A park in Montecito for a number of years.	02:40:49
	And they would.	02:40:52
	They would have a representative meet there and.	02:40:55
	Make sure everything's.	02:40:57
	OK to go and then?	02:40:58
	Come at the end of the day and.	02:40:59
	And check it out and then.	02:41:01
	You know, move a thon. So anyways, I think it might be a good idea. OK, so can.	02:41:03
	Aren't we going to be talking in that part of what this?	02:41:08
	Action is today to see if we wanted to add.	02:41:12
	Additional funds for additional service.	02:41:15
	Yeah, I was, I was just going to say to the the comments that have been made when we made adjustments to the recreation section of	02:41:18
	the general fee schedule earlier this year.	02:41:22
	We presented the information about.	02:41:27
	Fees that are charged in different districts and there certainly is a wide range. We were not at the lowest, but we were.	02:41:29
	Medium to low.	02:41:35
	And there are districts that charge significantly more.	02:41:37
	And if it is the Council's desire to provide direction that we provide a higher level of service with staff on site, either	02:41:40
	cleaning and or as an attendant during those activities.	02:41:44
	That that could be something that we definitely adopt.	02:41:50
	It would come with an additional cost and that would need to be considered and.	02:41:52
	Accordingly amended.	02:41:56
	To the schedule.	02:41:57
	OK. When you say additional cost, you mean to the the public reserving the space? Yeah, the permit fee would need to be amended	02:41:58
	increased accordingly yes, OK. I did have a couple of questions so having.	02:42:04
	Rented a space in Oxnard for family reunion in August.	02:42:09
	So they did have.	02:42:13
	You call it.	02:42:17
	A number like we couldn't go over.	02:42:19
	150 people in a pavilion.	02:42:21
	Right. So that was part of it.	02:42:24
	On the other one was.	02:42:26
	No alcohol.	02:42:28
	So.	02:42:29
	Are we a no alcohol?	02:42:30
	Facility, yeah.	02:42:32
	Part of our standard.	02:42:33
	Park regulations includes signage that already stipulates that, so yes, great.	02:42:35
	But as far as the threshold number of guests, that's not something that I believe we've currently identified.	02:42:40
	So that's a great suggestion for us to implement.	02:42:46
	Yeah. And a couple more questions. So in the area that's.	02:42:48
	Under the blue.	02:42:52
	10 there.	02:42:53
	I believe there was number electricity there. There's no electricity there. No, there is not.	02:42:56
	There is not OK.	02:43:00
	But I have seen.	02:43:01
	Like vendors that come like the Taco man.	02:43:03
	Is there or BBQ pits that's allowed?	02:43:06
	So it's my understanding that.	02:43:11
	Outside of the winding me.	02:43:15
	Park you are able to bring in your own cooking vessel, so it could be.	02:43:17
	I believe.	02:43:23
	Popular nowadays is the Blackstone.	02:43:24
	For food preparation and so it's not a.	02:43:28
	Of live fire, if you will. It's not a BBQ pit.	02:43:32
	But it is an ability to cook food in.	02:43:35
	In public and in the park.	02:43:38
	So no live fire.	02:43:40
	Unless it's in a city provided.	02:43:42
	Vessel is the word I can think of in this in this regard, but that.	02:43:46
	That particular portion of the municipal code, my understanding is specific to Wyoming Beach Park.	02:43:51
	And may not necessarily apply to the remaining part.	02:43:56
	In our park system.	02:43:59
	OK. And I think my final question is, is there any?	02:44:01
	Verbiage about whether you can have.	02:44:05
	Jolly jumpers or not, if a permit is required.	02:44:08
	Sure. So we.	02:44:12
	We have reviewed and.	02:44:13
	Examined.	02:44:16
	Permit process associated with.	02:44:17
	The use of jolly jumpers.	02:44:19
	We currently do not offer that.	02:44:22
	As an option for park goers.	02:44:25
	And that's tied to my understanding is the use of a generator in the open park space and there's limitations on that that	02:44:28
	currently exists. So if we were to return to council.	02:44:32
	There may be an amendment or a need to to.	02:44:37
	Provide clarity as far as.	02:44:39
	Allowing that.	02:44:41
	Right, so then I'm clear.	02:44:42
	Right now, there's no use of Jolly Jumpers in the park.	02:44:43
	There are not.	02:44:46
	Great. What if they had a?	02:44:48
	Electric powered.	02:44:50
	Battery that can generate.	02:44:52
	For a jolly jumper.	02:44:54
	There's no enforcement.	02:44:56
	Sure. So one of the things I would suggest is if we're gonna.	02:44:58
	Examine this as a city is also that we would want to define.	02:45:01
	Specific areas in which those could be permitted.	02:45:05
	And we would want to probably identify a pre vetted list of approved vendors.	02:45:08
	That would work.	02:45:14
	In partnership with us to respect.	02:45:15
	The areas assigned for that type of use and so that would be very typical. But for instance, we have the open park.	02:45:17
	Parcel in the middle of Bubbling Springs.	02:45:24
	When you walk north of the the dog park.	02:45:26
	Northeast.	02:45:30