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Start Over Again Notice is hereby given that a special meeting of the Transaction and Use Tax Citizens Oversight Committee is 00:02:27
hereby called to be held on Wednesday, December 11th, 2024 at 5:00. 00:02:35
In the Fort Wayne city. 00:02:43
Hall Chamber located at 250 N Ventura Rd. Fort Wayne, California. 00:02:46
Set a special meeting shall be for the purpose of conducting business in accordance with the attached agenda. 00:02:54
So I'll call her to order. 00:02:59
Roll call, roll call. OK, I'll be handling roll call today. 00:03:03
Member Diaz. Member Villanueva. 00:03:09
Member Villanueva's app sync right? 00:03:14
She may come later. Remember Victoria here. Vice Chair Williams here, Chair Scrivener here. Thank you. 00:03:16
OK, Apparently there's no public comment unless an event thing been submitted to anybody. That OK? No public comment. OK, consent 00:03:28
calendar. 00:03:33
All matters listed in the Consent Calendar are to be considered routine. 00:03:38
By government body and will be enacted in one motion. 00:03:43
In the form listed, there are no discussions of these items before governing body votes on a motion to adopt. 00:03:47
Specific items are removed from the consent calendar on separate motions. 00:03:55
So we basically have the minutes. 00:04:00
Just the minutes. 00:04:04
And I'll note, I'll note for the record, board member Villanueva is present. So all five members are present. 00:04:08
OK, so do we need to take a vote on this? 00:04:15
Yeah, just. 00:04:19
Yeah, just yes, a motion and a vote please. I do have a motion to. 00:04:22
Accept. 00:04:28
I make a motion to accept the minutes. 00:04:29
Thank you all. All opposed. 00:04:33
All in favor. Thank you. 00:04:37
OK. Business items, initial measure you committee review and I just wanted to let you know that we have a special visitor here 00:04:42
today. 00:04:46
Congratulations. 00:04:58
So the record will reflect 1/6 board. 00:04:59
You only get one vote though. 00:05:03
OK. So we have our chart up in front of us here. The measure you actual expense in a fiscal year 223 and 24, Yes, and I'll give a 00:05:10
brief report. We have two items on the agenda today and both are are we'll try to keep them simple brief. 00:05:20
But obviously we'll answer any questions. 00:05:32
Really the. 00:05:36
Today is kind of the meeting to set the stage for the next year. I think we've talked a lot over the last 18 months about the goal 00:05:38
of we've all had of Measure U committee being ahead of the game and not, not, not simply. 00:05:46
Approving past information, but actually being proactive and being able to to preview the information and provide guidance as part 00:05:56
of that process. And so today's agenda is actually with that intent. 00:06:03
We're looking forward to next year. The first item is kind of getting general big picture guidance from the. 00:06:10
Committee, as we start our budget process, you know we talked about you know December's kind of the the calm before the storm and 00:06:20
then we really start usually we start right about now with really starting to put the budget together and starting to get an 00:06:26
initial draft of the budget and so. 00:06:32
We talked about, well, should we like you know. 00:06:40
Come to the committee in March and come with a proposed budget or for the first time this year, we said let's actually come to the 00:06:44
committee now and say as we're starting to put the budget together, you know, we want to make sure we're kind. We're going in the 00:06:50
direction that the committee wants to go in. And so, you know, rather than bring a document and have to work backwards, let's 00:06:56
actually get some like guidance moving forward. 00:07:02
So the point of this business item? 00:07:10
Initial measure you committee review and feedback on priority categories is very high level. It's essentially what we did was we 00:07:15
looked back at the last two years and this chart shows the last two years and we looked at OK, where have we? 00:07:21
Prioritized, what areas have we prioritized with measure you funding and in what amounts? And then looking at the next year and 00:07:30
what we're expecting with next year, what kind of revenues we're expecting to get it, you know, are these the same areas we want 00:07:35
to prioritize? 00:07:40
Next year or do we want to, you know, just kind of at a high level, do we want to make any changes or are we comfortable with the 00:07:46
same approach? And so this chart off the top shows. 00:07:53
You know the four priority areas of Measure you funding and over the last couple of years. 00:08:00
We have per this chart prioritized the, I would say the public safety has been the highest level priority. You can see for the 00:08:07
chart that in 2023 that was about $1.6 million of, you know, generally you know, 3 to $3.5 million total. So that's about 1.6 00:08:15
million or about half of the funding goes to public safety. 00:08:24
And then you can see streets and maintenance gets about maybe 1/4. 00:08:33
Maybe a little less than a quarter $700,000 CIP has has gotten got about 700,000 two years ago, but. 00:08:38
It's a little complicated. I try to, we try to really like keep these like simple, but inevitably some things get complicated 00:08:51
because capital improvement projects include projects that also are in these other categories. So it's kind of like double 00:08:56
counting, you know, our. 00:09:02
Maybe double counting or the opposite, but but a CIP, the reason why the CIP increased so much where you can see from the first 00:09:10
year to the second year that had the biggest increase was because of the Bubbling Springs Park project. So if you recall last year 00:09:16
we came to the committee and we said, you know, the Bubbling Springs Park project is over budget and you know, if if it we had a 00:09:22
long conversation about it. Does this fit the, you know, the. 00:09:28
Is this a priority? Is this something that the measure you funds that you would support using measure you funds for? And so the 00:09:36
good news with that is we're on pace to finish the project in March ish. But everything we've actually kept everything on pace. We 00:09:43
are on schedule as of right this minute, even though just a little off off the point, but the that park is right next to that 00:09:49
Creek and every time we dig. 00:09:56
It's. 00:10:04
It's, you know, we hold our breaths because you don't know what when you're going to dig in the Creek starts bubbling up or 00:10:06
anything like that. But we've been able to keep it on pace. But so that's due to be done in March. So that this chart shows that 00:10:11
that had a spike, but I think that was a one year situation because of bubbling springs and we would anticipate that that would 00:10:17
start to drop again this year and that we would be sort of deprioritized again. 00:10:23
Yes. 00:10:30
So as I recall. 00:10:33
When we did an audit and found out where all the money had gone, you know, over the past several years, we didn't have any access 00:10:36
to, we had, we had about $1.7 million leftover and it seemed like a worthy choice to put that towards the capital improvements in 00:10:43
the parks, which I think we're all pretty happy with. And I don't anticipate to spending, you know, 15 more $1,000,000 on any 00:10:49
parks anytime soon, not anytime soon. 00:10:56
2040 is not down and whatever, but yeah. 00:11:03
So let me say, I think that's a one time spike. Yeah. And I wanted to ask where are we with on budget with the park? It seems like 00:11:07
anytime we do construction, it always runs over. So we're on budget with what we. 00:11:13
You know, if you remember that conversation was us coming back and saying we need to be realistic about the budget. 00:11:21
I think the initial budget estimate was $9 million and we were, you know. 00:11:27
We had the conversation, then we called all the contractors in and. 00:11:32
Just my conversation with them is if you put an estimate together for $9 million five years ago, it's not $9 million anymore. And 00:11:36
so we came back and we revised our estimates. 00:11:41
And we came back at 15,000,000 and right now we're right on 15,000,000. So the positive is I think instead of waiting to be kind 00:11:47
of, you know, to get reality thrown at us, we actually proactively, you know, came back and said we need to be realistic with this 00:11:54
budget. So, so we're right on pace with that. We're on pace with the schedule, we're on pace with the budget. So it's actually 00:12:02
working, sticking within that. And then if anybody saw last week's council meeting, the Little League was here. 00:12:09
We're finalizing all the agreements for them to actually be able to start playing again as soon as it opens. So I think we're kind 00:12:17
of on schedule with where we need to be with that. So that was a one year spike. It won't be that way. Well, we don't anticipate 00:12:23
and we don't actually propose continuing at that level. And one of the next slides will show that number coming back down from 1.7 00:12:29
back to about the the original number. 00:12:36
I think it's the next slide after this. 00:12:43
That one, yeah. So this is as of right this minute based on the projects that we had proposed to the council like for our capital 00:12:46
improvement project plan, these are the projects scheduled for next year and then these are the ones whether the project scheduled 00:12:55
that would use measure you funding and so the number drops back to 836,000 so. 00:13:04
The the CIP, which became the second largest chunk of funding for Measure U. It would go back down, which. 00:13:13
Which we would anticipate then would allow for some of the other areas to be funded. But the, So the list of projects for 26 I'll 00:13:22
just explain briefly the $194,000 every year for five years we had a parking lot budget to where we divided out all the parking 00:13:29
lots we had with the idea of having all the parking lots maintained and repaved. And so next year would be some of the beach 00:13:36
parking lots, the library, which. 00:13:44
We had started to complete this year but when they closed we put it on hold till till their constructions done so that would be 00:13:51
next year. And then some parks parking lots like the Bubbling Springs Park parking lot for example. 00:13:57
So that would be 194,000 of that 830,000. 00:14:04
Pedestrian lighting at Bulker Park, $50,000. 00:14:08
The Lifeguard building roof repairs at Wyoming Beach, $35,000. 00:14:13
Miranda park building engineering and remodel $45,000 that one I just have to be clear with everybody though, this is that 00:14:21
building in Miranda park that I. 00:14:26
Really we, we, the goal will be to bring that back and find some use for it. But the $45,000 is what we estimate just to do the 00:14:32
engineering and so the the project itself. 00:14:39
Like the next year would be the development of the plans, but the project itself wouldn't be completed next year. It's gonna be 00:14:47
significant. The 45,000 is just the paperwork, basically. Yeah. And then the designs and figuring coming up with our designs and 00:14:52
what we wanna do with it. 00:14:57
So, so it's a good start, but I know that one, a lot of people have ideas. We've been approached by a lot of people who go like, 00:15:03
hey, let us operate that building and let us do something with it. And it's like it, it needs, it needs significant repairs before 00:15:08
we're able to do that. So. 00:15:14
So, and then a Pearson Rd. storm drain and storm drains are one of those things that aren't glamorous. So a lot of times cities 00:15:20
cut those and, but I try to remind everybody like that's the kind of stuff that then you, when you need them, you regret cutting 00:15:27
it and you don't want to get into that situation. So you can see that's a big chunk of the funding, $337,000, but they're 00:15:33
important. They're not glamorous, but they're important. 00:15:40
And then we have $25,000 identified for electric vehicle charging stations at the beach and then $150,000 for it's actually 00:15:47
emergency vehicle preemption traffic signals and that's. 00:15:55
The system where the emergency vehicles can actually change the traffic signals when needed so. 00:16:04
So that's right now what's scheduled. And so if we went back to that chart, for example, I. 00:16:10
Back one more slide. So for CIP, again that spike, it would drop back down like what we're expecting for 2025 is that that 00:16:18
category is going to drop back down to that 2023 level and that was just a one year increase because of the Bubbling Springs Park 00:16:24
project. 00:16:29
And so. 00:16:36
Most of the other categories are pretty consistent, like streets and maintenance didn't very much. Parks and Rec varied a little 00:16:37
bit. I would say both dropped a little bit, mostly because we allocated that funding to the Bubbling Springs Park project. So that 00:16:44
impacted some of the other areas, but you know, they've been pretty consistent and so. 00:16:51
We. 00:17:02
Oh, and then the next slide, please. 00:17:04
And so we looked at next year's. 00:17:06
Estimate. 00:17:10
And let me give you a little bit of information on that is what we base, where we, how we come up with this number that we 00:17:12
estimate that Measure U revenues will be $3.1 million next year is the city actually has a contract with a company called HDL and 00:17:20
HD LS. They're the kind of the standard most of these contract with HDL and their expertise is sales tax analysis and property tax 00:17:27
analysis and because they contract with everyone. 00:17:34
They see they are pretty good usually at anticipating what's gonna happen with sales tax and property tax. And so for us next 00:17:42
year, they anticipate our sales tax is gonna be pretty flat. 00:17:49
We aren't gonna, we don't expect growth, a lot of growth next year in sales tax and really mostly that can be attributed to the 00:17:57
cannabis tax. 00:18:02
We don't officially have a cannabis tax, but the cannabis revenues that we receive. And so if the cannabis revenues drop, then our 00:18:07
sales tax drops. And just with the neighboring cities continuing to open more and more cannabis dispensaries, we think that is 00:18:14
just going to keep being a pressure on us. So, so the revenues for next year are pretty flat. We've been at about $3.1 million 00:18:22
last year and about $3.1 million this year and we expect to be at about 3 point. 00:18:29
Million next year. 00:18:37
And so that's where we start on this chart is, you know assuming that we have that we expect a $3.1 million revenue next year, 00:18:39
then we basically took the averages from those prior charts and we said if it's $3.1 million that would be this many dollars in 00:18:46
each of these categories based on the averages. So $1.4 million for public safety, $488,000 for streets and maintenance, $343,000 00:18:54
for parks and rec. 00:19:01
$136,000 for CIP. 00:19:09
And so that's essentially when we start with the budget and we have to make assumptions about, you know, what areas we need to 00:19:12
fund, at what levels. This is what we would start with based on kind of the history of the measure, Measure U committee and what's 00:19:20
been approved. And so the point of the item is to basically lay that out and then ask for feedback of is that a good starting 00:19:27
point or you know, is it, is there an area that the committee would want us would want to focus? 00:19:35
More so than others. 00:19:42
So if you can go back one more time. 00:19:45
It's it ends up the the final numbers end up. 00:19:49
Pretty comparable to that 2023 actual, but the big biggest change from 2024 is the CIP. 00:19:53
Dollars go down because of Boeing Springs, but also the public safety dollars would be actually a pretty significant drop from 00:20:02
$2.2 million of Measure U to I think it was one about $1.43 million is is being suggested. So that's probably the if, if I had to 00:20:08
anticipate what the biggest. 00:20:15
Question would be it would probably be are the maybe the biggest discussion point would be. 00:20:23
I think the other categories are like fairly stable or there's a good reason why it's not with the CIP category, but I think it's 00:20:29
that public safety category. Is that the level of funding that the measure you committee would want to allocate or you know this 00:20:38
year it was significantly higher, 2.2 million I think it was. So you know, is that an area that the committee would want to? 00:20:46
Look at prioritizing more than. 00:20:55
Just based on the average in the past. So, so that's again, it's high level. It's sort of, you know, kind of tell us if we're 00:20:58
going in the right direction because now we're going to kind of get into the nitty gritty and actually go through line items and 00:21:04
try to, you know, kind of. 00:21:09
Allocate these dollars into the budget. And so we're just looking for that general feedback. 00:21:17
So did the federal grant that we got for the project, did we meet the deadline? So we got all the funding from them. So Angela 00:21:23
gets to brag that she opened a, what is it, a $6 million check this week, A lovely $6 million. 00:21:32
And so that one I, I want to give credit because. 00:21:41
I'm not. 00:21:49
Confident right now that with everything going on at the state and federal level that we, that we, we may, there may be grant 00:21:51
impacts, you know, some of the grants that have been issued in the past could be pulled, you know, could be cancelled or even 00:21:58
dollars that have been promised could be pulled back. So we made sure that we build everything as soon as we as soon as we did it 00:22:05
on the project, we build it and we got the, the biggest chunk of the money in so. 00:22:12
So that was good proactive work by our finance department. And so for us, we at this point, I think we've got almost every dollar 00:22:20
from the federal grant, right. 00:22:26
I think there was like maybe like less than $1,000,000 left or something like that. So, so we've we've been able to get that done 00:22:33
before there's any talk of polling grants back or anything like that. 00:22:39
Great, I had heard some cheering over this way. I wondered what it was. 00:22:45
It is. It's just me. Yeah. We don't, we don't get the, you know, you get used to seeing bigger numbers, but we don't see $6 00:22:53
million checks very often, so. 00:22:58
I noticed that we're. 00:23:06
Putting electric vehicle charging station and. 00:23:09
I want to understand the strategy there. I I don't, I don't pay any money for a gas station. Why are we? 00:23:17
Holding those folks out, I have an electric vehicle, but I, I don't, I'm not, I don't need an electric vehicle station around 00:23:26
here. So what's that about? What's the strategy? Is it a money maker? No, it's not a money maker. And that's a that's a big 00:23:33
question that you could get different answers from different people on, but I'll tell you the I'll tell you the best answers that 00:23:39
I've heard is. 00:23:45
And. 00:23:53
When electric vehicle chargers were first becoming, our electric vehicles were first kind of becoming, you know, more popular a 00:23:57
lot of cities. 00:24:02
Adopted like policies or statements that because of the environmental impact, positive environmental impact of driving a zero or 00:24:09
low emission vehicle, that cities were going to be supportive of electric vehicle infrastructure and install electric vehicle 00:24:17
infrastructure. 00:24:24
A lot of cities, most cities, I would say from about 2015 to 2020, a lot of cities that installed them actually installed it with 00:24:33
free electricity, which was something that was was not sustainable. And I was working in a city that had installed free chargers 00:24:40
and had to be the person to break the news that you can't afford to keep paying for people's electricity. And so, so most cities 00:24:48
at this point have now started to charge. 00:24:55
The cost of the electricity and so, but it's not a money maker. I'm not really aware of any city that actually like charges enough 00:25:03
to make any profit off of it. But I think that the general, you know, there's, there's a lot to it, but I think the general 00:25:10
response from cities would be, well, you know, we adopted as a policy a statement that we wanted to support electric vehicles to 00:25:17
reduce the greenhouse gases in our community or, you know, something along those lines. 00:25:24
So. 00:25:32
So that's the thought. And so we as a city have. 00:25:33
Plans that call for installation of chargers at certain locations. Interesting. Like interestingly enough, when you mention it, 00:25:38
because that is probably the one project on this list that I did a little bit of a double take at is that now home charging is 00:25:45
becoming so prevalent that it's like you start to think, well, maybe maybe those plans that we had initially are kind of outdated 00:25:51
now, you know? 00:25:57
But, and so it's something. 00:26:05
Something we've talked about internally and it's like, well, how many vehicles, chargers do we need? And I don't think we need as 00:26:07
many as we thought we needed. 00:26:11
Because if you remember when electric vehicles first came out, it was like cities were trying to jam in chargers as much as 00:26:15
possible. But a lot of people just charge at home now. 00:26:18
So I think for us, we still have a couple in key locations. We have plans to put a couple at Bubbling Springs Park eventually. 00:26:23
That was actually part of the grant. And so it's actually a grant requirement now that we had proposed it back in 2017 or whenever 00:26:30
that grant application went in. And then we had planned to put a couple at the beach. And so we don't actually have a whole lot 00:26:37
planned, but those ones are part of the plan. So we have them in our capital improvement project plan, so. 00:26:44
I wonder why they can't be profitable because if you have an EV and you get some location you realize you don't have enough fuel, 00:26:51
you'd be thrilled to pay anything. 00:26:57
To charge them so I, I don't know if the consumer would be hurt when they were told your choices pay this amount or go home and 00:27:02
push the car home and so they would pay I think they could be profitable if you can change the meters. One of the challenges for 00:27:10
cities to to bear in mind and you know, it's funny because I think you've identified like a, like a, what's it called a gap in the 00:27:17
market. Somebody out there can. 00:27:25
You know, and I keep saying this, I keep waiting for a gas station to convert a couple of spaces to electric and, you know, and 00:27:32
actually make some money off of it. But for cities, as a general rule, we are not able to charge for service. We provide more than 00:27:39
the cost of the service itself. And so cities, we really can't make profits. It's almost it's, you know, we're, we're a public 00:27:46
service, so. 00:27:53
Can you charge for the cost of installing? 00:28:01
I mean, if you cost $10,000 to install one of these things, can you put that you could build that into the cost. So since we can 00:28:04
recover the cost of service, we could say we're gonna charge for electricity, we're gonna, every person who charges is gonna pay, 00:28:10
you know, .0001% of the installation cost as well. And you can recover the cost back. So, so that that is possible over what time 00:28:16
period? 00:28:23
5-10 years, what is it? 00:28:29
Normally when we do rate studies, we do, we do most of them on like kind of a five year cycle. So probably that it's technical and 00:28:33
there might be some ability to adjust that. But normally we do things over A5 year periods. And as an example, we went to council 00:28:40
last week to talk about our utility rates and we're in the council approved that we're going to do a five year study for our 00:28:47
utility rates. So we we tend to do 5 year cycles. Very good. Thank you. 00:28:54
I one more comment. 00:29:02
With all the new building going in, there's not enough parking to start with. People don't have a garage to park in and charge in. 00:29:05
So it really occurred to me I've been thinking about this lately. What happens to people who live in apartments? Who. 00:29:12
Don't can't just plug into their home thing. 00:29:20
So they got to go find some place to charge up and. 00:29:23
That's why we talked about this internally and we were talking about, you know what, we might not need hundreds of charging 00:29:27
stations, but on the flip side, you know, some people's opinion at the we've heard some feedback where people go, hey, you know, 00:29:33
it seems like people have enough charges right now. But the reality is our our kind of opinion was looking at our community and 00:29:39
the fact that we have a lot of. 00:29:46
Like condo complexes? Townhome complexes with homeowners associations. 00:29:53
To the public, but ensuring we have enough that the people who need them have access to them. 00:30:27
So Surfside One condominiums, they have them now and they're profitable on those. 00:30:32
And so it serves their little community there. But also if you just charge off a of 110 volts in your garage overnight, you'll get 00:30:39
enough charge to take you a number of miles. I mean, we're talking about under pain on the car, but I think you could get. 00:30:49
1/2 charge, that would be about 150 miles. So unless you're commuting a long distance, that sort of maintains it for you just with 00:31:05
110 Volt power. 00:31:11
So. 00:31:21
These. 00:31:24
The charging stations you're talking about at the beach, would they be, they'd be inside the lot. And so would people also have to 00:31:25
get a parking permit as well, right? Yes. Is that what you're talking about? Yes and so. 00:31:32
It can be set up a couple ways and I don't remember off the top with the plan. I think that the way it works typically is they 00:31:40
can, when they park at the charging station, they pay to park at the charging station, but they can only stay in that spot while 00:31:46
they're charging and then they need to move. And then they would have to buy a parking permit. And so the cost of the permit would 00:31:53
be built into the cost of the charging. 00:31:59
So. 00:32:07
And then is there an indicator so when, when the parking lady goes by, she can see that it's fully charged or something? I don't 00:32:08
know how those work. Yeah, yeah, potentially they do. I mean, you go to the beach and you could forget, you know, just like you 00:32:15
forget you only have a 2 hour, you know, permit or yeah, they're, they're pretty fancy. Now there's things they have some of them 00:32:23
will have lights saying that they're fully charged. You know, they all have. 00:32:30
Screens that will say whether they're charging or fully charged, and then a lot of them too now. 00:32:38
I think the ones we have at City Hall do this. If, if you're fully charged, it'll actually e-mail you and tell you or send you a 00:32:45
notification on your phone. You know your car is ready, please move it, that kind of a thing. So I know Tesla has a simple system. 00:32:53
That when you are full. 00:33:01
They start charging you idle fees. That's probably something at a dollar a minute. 00:33:05
To encourage you to move your vehicle and so you get it out of there, you pay attention to it, it's on your shoulders to time it. 00:33:11
So I, I would like that for us, if it's idle, charge them. That's probably how we address that. You know, the concern, if the 00:33:17
concern is that, you know, people will figure out, well, if I park there and I put the plug in, then I don't have to pay for 00:33:24
parking. You're probably going to end up paying more if you do that. 00:33:30
So as far as this project is concerned. 00:33:39
Say five years down the road, are they still going to be using these chargers? This thing is going to evolve into something else 00:33:43
that they're going to have to pull these out and put a newer one. Yeah, that's always the concern with these. And there are like 00:33:49
the two standards right now and, and the ones we have are the there's the Tesla standard that is for Tesla's and then there's the 00:33:56
one that's for everybody else. The ones we install are the ones for everybody else. 00:34:02
And both cars. 00:34:09
Both ways you can get at the adapter, so you could use the other one, but typically cities typically don't install the Tesla ones 00:34:12
because they're seen as just being exclusive and only beneficial to Tesla drivers. You know, I'm just thinking, you know, we're 00:34:17
spending money on these and in five years we're going to have to put in something else because I think it's going to evolve that 00:34:23
quick that we don't want to do. 00:34:29
Because we have to swap the units, it'll be a few $1000, but it should be minor. So we have all our master plan documents and some 00:35:05
of them include sort of the plan to get the infrastructure out there. 00:35:12
So I don't know if there's a consensus, but. 00:35:20
You can talk about this. It seems like if we can build the cost of paying for this into the user fee, that way we're not 00:35:23
subsidizing anybody and the money is there to swap it out the next time around. 00:35:29
I think I'm hearing that, yeah. And I think that's that's in line with, no, I agree. Yeah, Yeah, I'll sit there. Yeah, exactly. I 00:35:38
have another thing that I'd like to discuss here for a second on the capital improvement. 00:35:45
We need a traffic light at Lido and Channel Islands Blvd. 00:35:54
I have a. 00:35:58
Rental house over on Bulker and I've had a lot of experience here. It's next impossible to get out many times on Channel Islands 00:36:00
Blvd. and there's a series of wrecks there that happen all the time. I think the people coming out of. 00:36:06
Wanami Bay or also kind of in a situation. So what's happening is I've lived here a long time with Channel Islands Blvd. Used to 00:36:14
be you could play hockey out there and now it's just it's a constant. We've got the traffic speeds down, but. 00:36:22
Housing developments going in, this whole thing at the harbor, there's going to be lots more traffic going there and that's a 00:36:31
that's a particularly dangerous area. For one point, there was like a week or a record to a week over there. I'm looking at what 00:36:37
insurance company should pay for a light there because it would save them some money. It was pretty bad. I haven't been over there 00:36:43
much recently, but I'd like to throw that out as maybe. 00:36:50
A potential capital improvement. I don't know what other people think. 00:36:57
Yeah, and we. 00:37:02
There was actually when I first arrived, I think we had three accidents in two weeks there. And, and for me it was, it was 00:37:04
surprising because. 00:37:08
A lot of people know I lived here for 10 years and then became city manager somewhere else. And so then I moved there and then I 00:37:14
came back. I came back to work here and now I need to figure out how to move back here and so but. 00:37:20
So I had lived here and I never thought of that area is particularly dangerous. It wasn't. And I came back and we had three 00:37:27
accidents in two weeks. So, so we did, we went out, we restriped, we added the keep clear area and we, we lowered the speed limit. 00:37:33
So we did a few things in it and it's definitely. 00:37:39
We aren't getting 3 accidents in two weeks anymore, but it's an area we get a lot of questions about and we hear about so. So has 00:37:45
there been a? 00:37:49
Has there been a study, have you seen the difference with lowering the speed limit? Yeah, we've definitely seen an improvement 00:37:55
since then. And. 00:37:59
The we've seen an improvement, I think to member Scrivener's point is 11 little like fact to keep in mind that that I I think we 00:38:05
almost like all like naturally know, but we never talk about is that that intersection of Channel Islands and Ventura is actually 00:38:13
one of the busiest intersections in the county. I think it's the number 2 busiest intersection in the county. 00:38:21
The intersection of Channel Islands and Ventura is is what second busiest intersection in the county? Yeah. 00:38:31
And so, so we, we, we did those things. It's definitely made a difference. Like we haven't had the accidents at nearly the same 00:38:37
rate we were having before. But it is a kind of a area for us that we're, we're continuing to watch it. And like, we know we might 00:38:45
need to keep adjusting if it just keeps getting more and more busy, you know? And so there's a couple things like Mr. Scrivener 00:38:52
mentioned, the there are plans to do something big at the harbor. And if that happens, that could bring more traffic. I'm not. 00:39:00
My breath on that one because I think there's been plans to do something big at the harbor for 20 years now, but it doesn't look 00:39:07
like a good idea. The idea that they picked is surprised me. So I guess we'll see if it goes anywhere. But so that's an area, I 00:39:15
think that's an area that we will continue to watch and keep an eye on and. 00:39:22
I think at this point with this being like the high level discussion, it's like I think it's appropriate if you want to give some 00:39:31
general. 00:39:34
Areas to focus on like that, then we can kind of take it back and try to figure out how we can build things in and and all and you 00:39:40
know, kind of start planning for so. 00:39:45
So can I ask, how do people feel about the balance of? 00:39:50
Projected income for different category to go back to us. 00:39:54
So with. 00:40:01
What did you call it? A. 00:40:05
Flat revenue projection for this year and looking at the. 00:40:07
The lower proportions, how is that going to because for me public safety is is the biggest priority and I think we've done a good 00:40:17
job for them so far. How is that projection, whatever that amount is you've projected for this? Yeah, coming here for the fourteen 00:40:26
1,000,431, how is that going to affect their overall budget is that. 00:40:34
Yeah. And you know, one thing I didn't say and I think it's essentially where you're going is. 00:40:44
You know. 00:40:50
Our sales tax revenue is flat. It's going to be tight this year for us as a city. 00:40:51
Our our budget was very tight last year. We were essentially. 00:40:59
We we cut $3,000,000 out of the budget to stay balanced last year. 00:41:08
And looking ahead? 00:41:14
If you're looking ahead and you're expecting your biggest revenue sales tax to stay flat, but we all know costs are going up right 00:41:17
now and inflation and everything, we expect costs to go up, let's let's say conservatively 5% while you're starting with the 5% 00:41:23
deficit. So, so we do expect the budget to be very tight. 00:41:30
And so I think maybe to maybe the best answer to I think the where you're going with that is that if. 00:41:38
Public safety is the priority for Measure U. That would be like, that would be like a perfect example of the feedback to us 00:41:48
because then we can make sure when we're doing the budget that we make that the priority for Measure U. 00:41:53
And so although. 00:42:00
It's hard to get into the the weeds with that right now because you only have a chunk of the budget in front of you, not the whole 00:42:04
thing. I think it's going to be very tight and I think that that would be whatever maybe a good way to approach it is whatever is 00:42:10
the priority measure, you identifies that and then we'll make sure it's the priority. I think that's kind of the high level 00:42:15
guidance at this point, so. 00:42:20
Priorities. 00:42:27
What do you think? 00:42:28
I think we've seen that this looks sort of like a standard other than this one change we had in CIP that. 00:42:32
But we knew that was coming. 00:42:38
So that looks like a good. 00:42:41
Distribution between the four different. 00:42:42
I also agree. I believe it's. 00:42:54
It I agree with public safety being the top priority. 00:42:59
Yeah, the way they're prioritized right there, you can see that that. 00:43:05
The road we should be going. 00:43:09
I feel like since you've come on board and the new chief has come on board, we've had kind of some remarkable changes in the whole 00:43:14
public safety thing, which I'm very grateful for. 00:43:19
I think everybody I've talked to is pretty happy with and if we're not safe, nothing else, nothing else matters. And I don't want 00:43:27
to get overly paranoid and get, you know, an armed police force with, with tanks and some of the people now, but that's not the 00:43:33
direction we're headed in. So, so basically tank would be more than 1.4 million. 00:43:40
I think the public safety is in real public safety, not stuff that's thrown in, it's puffed, which we hear all the time, but I 00:43:51
think from what I can see, the chiefs. 00:43:56
Decisions have been right on and so I think my personal opinion is that's the first priority and everything else falls beyond 00:44:02
after that. 00:44:07
So I think. 00:44:13
I think the sense I get. 00:44:15
And I guess I'll ask you guys to tell me if I'm just wrong is as we start to develop the budget that. 00:44:18
Keeping public safety is the priority. We have sort of a draft what we expect budget to look like, but if we get down the road and 00:44:27
we realize that. 00:44:31
You know, public safety is being shorted compared to the year before then we I think we have the support to make sure that it's 00:44:36
the priority and that we're able to to pay for what we need for public safety. And so if that that increases a little bit and we 00:44:41
take everything else down a little bit at that time if that's what's needed, it sounds like the committee supports that, but we'll 00:44:47
try to start with this and see where that gets us and then. 00:44:53
I think with the process, we're planning to come back, but the next item we'll get to a minute is sets the meeting calendar. But 00:44:59
we'd be coming back in March with, with the, with the, you know, the detail to it. And we'd come back and we can say if we were 00:45:05
able to make everything work at these levels or if we needed to adjust public safety up and everything else down a little bit. 00:45:12
OK, great. OK with everybody. Yes. 00:45:19
In public safety was that? 00:45:23
Donut ******** ******** nation of the Kirby Was that in those funds? Is that oh the traffic don't the traffic donut pilot project? 00:45:27
That wasn't this fund actually that we were able to do that with, it would have been our streets and maintenance and then we 00:45:42
actually have applied for a grant for to hopefully cover the cost of that and maybe. 00:45:49
If we decided to try a second location, we've had some requests from some neighborhoods for a second location of of that. So, so 00:45:56
that shouldn't come out of the public safety funding. So well, that's been highly successful. Everyone's noticed it's changed that 00:46:05
a lot. And also places like right in front of the Surfside Seafood, I noticed they have moved over there. 00:46:13
And so some curbing there would be a similar type of stuff and it's low, I think it's low maintenance. 00:46:22
Yeah. We, what we came up with was pretty low cost, pretty low maintenance. We wanted to test it, but we figured. 00:46:29
That would be wonderful. And it appears that the fire department's happy with that type of curbing. It doesn't slow them down and. 00:47:08
It's also it can be camouflaged because especially like in front of Surfside Seafood, it can be put between the parking spots so 00:47:17
that still people can come and go. No one's going to run over that little curb. If they do, it doesn't hurt their car, but it 00:47:24
still keeps the. 00:47:31
I don't know, crazy teenagers out of there. So the only thing is if we could employ that type of curbing other places so that we 00:47:38
get out of the race car syndrome. 00:47:45
Down. 00:47:52
Ventura Rd. 00:47:54
I've heard complaints from the Navy base, the people that live over there, it's just horrible for them. Ventura Roads a challenge. 00:47:56
We I. 00:48:02
We brought back motorcycle enforcement and hopefully you've seen them. I've seen them because I drive Ventura Rd. every day, but 00:48:08
they are out there every day. And in fact today we had our employee appreciation event and when I came out they had just pulled 00:48:14
somebody over and were. 00:48:19
Writing them a ticket right, right at Ventura and Park Rd. So, so we've been, we've been using the motorcycle enforcement to to 00:48:26
sort of focus on Ventura Rd. because it was we were just seeing a lot of people there just really speeding at. 00:48:33
A high rate of speed. So we're trying to. 00:48:42
Prioritize that area for the motorcycle enforcement. 00:48:44
I think it's for the Navy base personnel, which, you know, there, there are good citizens. We want to serve them when they're 00:48:47
here. We, I had some friends who just moved from the Navy base down to Magoo because it was just so loud. 00:48:55
It was the revving of engines, yeah. I don't know if it was racing, but it was the revving of engines at stoplights. 00:49:03
And so that was sort of electric vehicles will get rid of that problem long term. 00:49:09
I've noticed a big decrease in the loud cars. 00:49:16
I think that the motors have. 00:49:22
Put the message out, we're looking for you and we're catching some of you. So although it's still really irritating, I'm not 00:49:26
seeing the same level of Donuts and I've seen people race on Ventura Rd. like I used to and and the loud. 00:49:32
One of my ranchers in Camarillo, she bought her son a brand new BMW. 00:49:43
18 E 21 here. So he went and popped holes in the muffler so it makes noise. It's like. 00:49:49
Yeah, it's like, Oh my God. 00:49:56
What's the what is the new BMW exhaust system cost? But I think I think if we can get the police to start pulling people over for 00:49:59
noise, it's one thing to get a ticket. It's another thing if they got to put $3000 back in there exhaust system to to pass for 00:50:05
they can pop holes in it again and and do it again. I live a block off of. 00:50:12
Pleasant Valley and when that light at Pleasant Valley and Jay is green they just. 00:50:19
Very loudly and we all looked at each other and we were like, we, we got it. That's the next thing we got to get a strategy on. 00:50:56
So, so I know that they're already talking about it so. 00:51:01
Well, the one thing I have learned about our new chief is every time I bring something up to him, he's already like a month and a 00:51:08
half ahead of me. I got the sense that they've already started trying to figure out how to deal with it, you know, But it was like 00:51:13
we had to stop our conversation for the vehicle that was 100 feet away. And we all were just like, no, that we got to figure this 00:51:18
out, you know, so. 00:51:24
OK. Well, I think with that general direction that's very helpful to us and especially I think that that that. 00:51:32
You know, this is a good start, but the consensus that and if need be, you know with the rest of the budget and how that looks 00:51:41
that we will make sure to prioritize the public safety aspect of it so we can take that direction. I don't think we need a motion 00:51:47
at this point. I think it's just general direction. 00:51:54
And if everybody's ready, we can move to item 3. 00:52:01
And item 3 we will need a motion for, but this is just part of again, trying to be proactive, trying to plan, trying to make sure 00:52:07
that that we're planning for the year. So we brought our. 00:52:13
Proposed quarterly meeting times and dates and we essentially. 00:52:22
Tried to schedule it the last Wednesday at 5:00 PM except for in December because the last Wednesday's ends up being Christmas or 00:52:29
Christmas Eve and so in December it'd be December 17th. 00:52:36
That one we specifically wanted to call out because I know some people travel, you know, around that period. So if any of these, 00:52:44
but particularly December, if we needed to move it up even a week, that could be something we can do relatively easily. But as of 00:52:50
now, we have proposed these meeting dates for for next year and that March meeting date would be the one where we'd really dig 00:52:56
into the budget, so. 00:53:02
So if there is a motion to approve this schedule. 00:53:09
Or a motion to change anything and then approve the schedule that can be done at this time. 00:53:13
Would anybody like to change? 00:53:19
Motion to approve. 00:53:25
2nd the motion. 00:53:27
All in favor. All in favor, aye. 00:53:29
And all opposed. 00:53:32
All right, hearing none. The calendar is approved and we will meet again on March 26th. I do have one question. We've had a change 00:53:34
in the council members, Bobby Martinez's left and Louise, Jess Lopez, Jeff Lopez is in. So we're all appointed by somebody. So I 00:53:42
assume that doesn't affect anybody except whoever Bobby. 00:53:50
I'm nominated by Bobby. 00:54:03
Believe it was member Villanueva. 00:54:06
I believe. 00:54:10
And but. 00:54:12
Nothing's changed yet. The new council member will be sworn in next Monday. 00:54:14
And then the item for them to either confirm or change any appointments will come to the council. I think we're planning January 00:54:20
6th at this point. So nothing, it's possible that you know, nothing changes, but we'll know for sure January 6th. He has the 00:54:26
option of picking somebody else. He has the opportunity to say, you know, oh, I know I have the perfect person that I want to put 00:54:32
on this board. That's. 00:54:38
Keeping you here if you want to do that, because you show up and you do your duty so. 00:54:45
So that would be January 6, Yeah. And we'll make sure the way it works is that and it's not just this board, but basically all our 00:54:51
boards. 00:54:55
Will bring a list of them with all the appointments to the council. We'll say we have a new council member and then they get to 00:55:02
propose any changes. Then after that meeting we'll like get in contact with anybody who is reappointed or not reappointed. So, so, 00:55:09
so that would be January 6th and then we don't have another meeting till March 26th. 00:55:15
So I'm guessing by March 26 we'll have known for quite a while. 00:55:22
So, so I'll keep everybody in the loop though after January 6th, we'll let everybody know if there's been any change or anything 00:55:31
like that. 00:55:35
OK, can I have a motion to close the meeting? 00:55:41
I make the motion to close the meeting. 00:55:48
2nd. 00:55:50
All in favor. 00:55:52
Get to use this. 00:55:55
Thank you all for coming. Thank you. 00:55:58
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Start Over Again Notice is hereby given that a special meeting of the Transaction and Use Tax Citizens Oversight Committee is 00:02:27
hereby called to be held on Wednesday, December 11th, 2024 at 5:00. 00:02:35
In the Fort Wayne city. 00:02:43
Hall Chamber located at 250 N Ventura Rd. Fort Wayne, California. 00:02:46
Set a special meeting shall be for the purpose of conducting business in accordance with the attached agenda. 00:02:54
So I'll call her to order. 00:02:59
Roll call, roll call. OK, I'll be handling roll call today. 00:03:03
Member Diaz. Member Villanueva. 00:03:09
Member Villanueva's app sync right? 00:03:14
She may come later. Remember Victoria here. Vice Chair Williams here, Chair Scrivener here. Thank you. 00:03:16
OK, Apparently there's no public comment unless an event thing been submitted to anybody. That OK? No public comment. OK, consent 00:03:28
calendar. 00:03:33
All matters listed in the Consent Calendar are to be considered routine. 00:03:38
By government body and will be enacted in one motion. 00:03:43
In the form listed, there are no discussions of these items before governing body votes on a motion to adopt. 00:03:47
Specific items are removed from the consent calendar on separate motions. 00:03:55
So we basically have the minutes. 00:04:00
Just the minutes. 00:04:04
And I'll note, I'll note for the record, board member Villanueva is present. So all five members are present. 00:04:08
OK, so do we need to take a vote on this? 00:04:15
Yeah, just. 00:04:19
Yeah, just yes, a motion and a vote please. I do have a motion to. 00:04:22
Accept. 00:04:28
I make a motion to accept the minutes. 00:04:29
Thank you all. All opposed. 00:04:33
All in favor. Thank you. 00:04:37
OK. Business items, initial measure you committee review and I just wanted to let you know that we have a special visitor here 00:04:42
today. 00:04:46
Congratulations. 00:04:58
So the record will reflect 1/6 board. 00:04:59
You only get one vote though. 00:05:03
OK. So we have our chart up in front of us here. The measure you actual expense in a fiscal year 223 and 24, Yes, and I'll give a 00:05:10
brief report. We have two items on the agenda today and both are are we'll try to keep them simple brief. 00:05:20
But obviously we'll answer any questions. 00:05:32
Really the. 00:05:36
Today is kind of the meeting to set the stage for the next year. I think we've talked a lot over the last 18 months about the goal 00:05:38
of we've all had of Measure U committee being ahead of the game and not, not, not simply. 00:05:46
Approving past information, but actually being proactive and being able to to preview the information and provide guidance as part 00:05:56
of that process. And so today's agenda is actually with that intent. 00:06:03
We're looking forward to next year. The first item is kind of getting general big picture guidance from the. 00:06:10
Committee, as we start our budget process, you know we talked about you know December's kind of the the calm before the storm and 00:06:20
then we really start usually we start right about now with really starting to put the budget together and starting to get an 00:06:26
initial draft of the budget and so. 00:06:32
We talked about, well, should we like you know. 00:06:40
Come to the committee in March and come with a proposed budget or for the first time this year, we said let's actually come to the 00:06:44
committee now and say as we're starting to put the budget together, you know, we want to make sure we're kind. We're going in the 00:06:50
direction that the committee wants to go in. And so, you know, rather than bring a document and have to work backwards, let's 00:06:56
actually get some like guidance moving forward. 00:07:02
So the point of this business item? 00:07:10
Initial measure you committee review and feedback on priority categories is very high level. It's essentially what we did was we 00:07:15
looked back at the last two years and this chart shows the last two years and we looked at OK, where have we? 00:07:21
Prioritized, what areas have we prioritized with measure you funding and in what amounts? And then looking at the next year and 00:07:30
what we're expecting with next year, what kind of revenues we're expecting to get it, you know, are these the same areas we want 00:07:35
to prioritize? 00:07:40
Next year or do we want to, you know, just kind of at a high level, do we want to make any changes or are we comfortable with the 00:07:46
same approach? And so this chart off the top shows. 00:07:53
You know the four priority areas of Measure you funding and over the last couple of years. 00:08:00
We have per this chart prioritized the, I would say the public safety has been the highest level priority. You can see for the 00:08:07
chart that in 2023 that was about $1.6 million of, you know, generally you know, 3 to $3.5 million total. So that's about 1.6 00:08:15
million or about half of the funding goes to public safety. 00:08:24
And then you can see streets and maintenance gets about maybe 1/4. 00:08:33
Maybe a little less than a quarter $700,000 CIP has has gotten got about 700,000 two years ago, but. 00:08:38
It's a little complicated. I try to, we try to really like keep these like simple, but inevitably some things get complicated 00:08:51
because capital improvement projects include projects that also are in these other categories. So it's kind of like double 00:08:56
counting, you know, our. 00:09:02
Maybe double counting or the opposite, but but a CIP, the reason why the CIP increased so much where you can see from the first 00:09:10
year to the second year that had the biggest increase was because of the Bubbling Springs Park project. So if you recall last year 00:09:16
we came to the committee and we said, you know, the Bubbling Springs Park project is over budget and you know, if if it we had a 00:09:22
long conversation about it. Does this fit the, you know, the. 00:09:28
Is this a priority? Is this something that the measure you funds that you would support using measure you funds for? And so the 00:09:36
good news with that is we're on pace to finish the project in March ish. But everything we've actually kept everything on pace. We 00:09:43
are on schedule as of right this minute, even though just a little off off the point, but the that park is right next to that 00:09:49
Creek and every time we dig. 00:09:56
It's. 00:10:04
It's, you know, we hold our breaths because you don't know what when you're going to dig in the Creek starts bubbling up or 00:10:06
anything like that. But we've been able to keep it on pace. But so that's due to be done in March. So that this chart shows that 00:10:11
that had a spike, but I think that was a one year situation because of bubbling springs and we would anticipate that that would 00:10:17
start to drop again this year and that we would be sort of deprioritized again. 00:10:23
Yes. 00:10:30
So as I recall. 00:10:33
When we did an audit and found out where all the money had gone, you know, over the past several years, we didn't have any access 00:10:36
to, we had, we had about $1.7 million leftover and it seemed like a worthy choice to put that towards the capital improvements in 00:10:43
the parks, which I think we're all pretty happy with. And I don't anticipate to spending, you know, 15 more $1,000,000 on any 00:10:49
parks anytime soon, not anytime soon. 00:10:56
2040 is not down and whatever, but yeah. 00:11:03
So let me say, I think that's a one time spike. Yeah. And I wanted to ask where are we with on budget with the park? It seems like 00:11:07
anytime we do construction, it always runs over. So we're on budget with what we. 00:11:13
You know, if you remember that conversation was us coming back and saying we need to be realistic about the budget. 00:11:21
I think the initial budget estimate was $9 million and we were, you know. 00:11:27
We had the conversation, then we called all the contractors in and. 00:11:32
Just my conversation with them is if you put an estimate together for $9 million five years ago, it's not $9 million anymore. And 00:11:36
so we came back and we revised our estimates. 00:11:41
And we came back at 15,000,000 and right now we're right on 15,000,000. So the positive is I think instead of waiting to be kind 00:11:47
of, you know, to get reality thrown at us, we actually proactively, you know, came back and said we need to be realistic with this 00:11:54
budget. So, so we're right on pace with that. We're on pace with the schedule, we're on pace with the budget. So it's actually 00:12:02
working, sticking within that. And then if anybody saw last week's council meeting, the Little League was here. 00:12:09
We're finalizing all the agreements for them to actually be able to start playing again as soon as it opens. So I think we're kind 00:12:17
of on schedule with where we need to be with that. So that was a one year spike. It won't be that way. Well, we don't anticipate 00:12:23
and we don't actually propose continuing at that level. And one of the next slides will show that number coming back down from 1.7 00:12:29
back to about the the original number. 00:12:36
I think it's the next slide after this. 00:12:43
That one, yeah. So this is as of right this minute based on the projects that we had proposed to the council like for our capital 00:12:46
improvement project plan, these are the projects scheduled for next year and then these are the ones whether the project scheduled 00:12:55
that would use measure you funding and so the number drops back to 836,000 so. 00:13:04
The the CIP, which became the second largest chunk of funding for Measure U. It would go back down, which. 00:13:13
Which we would anticipate then would allow for some of the other areas to be funded. But the, So the list of projects for 26 I'll 00:13:22
just explain briefly the $194,000 every year for five years we had a parking lot budget to where we divided out all the parking 00:13:29
lots we had with the idea of having all the parking lots maintained and repaved. And so next year would be some of the beach 00:13:36
parking lots, the library, which. 00:13:44
We had started to complete this year but when they closed we put it on hold till till their constructions done so that would be 00:13:51
next year. And then some parks parking lots like the Bubbling Springs Park parking lot for example. 00:13:57
So that would be 194,000 of that 830,000. 00:14:04
Pedestrian lighting at Bulker Park, $50,000. 00:14:08
The Lifeguard building roof repairs at Wyoming Beach, $35,000. 00:14:13
Miranda park building engineering and remodel $45,000 that one I just have to be clear with everybody though, this is that 00:14:21
building in Miranda park that I. 00:14:26
Really we, we, the goal will be to bring that back and find some use for it. But the $45,000 is what we estimate just to do the 00:14:32
engineering and so the the project itself. 00:14:39
Like the next year would be the development of the plans, but the project itself wouldn't be completed next year. It's gonna be 00:14:47
significant. The 45,000 is just the paperwork, basically. Yeah. And then the designs and figuring coming up with our designs and 00:14:52
what we wanna do with it. 00:14:57
So, so it's a good start, but I know that one, a lot of people have ideas. We've been approached by a lot of people who go like, 00:15:03
hey, let us operate that building and let us do something with it. And it's like it, it needs, it needs significant repairs before 00:15:08
we're able to do that. So. 00:15:14
So, and then a Pearson Rd. storm drain and storm drains are one of those things that aren't glamorous. So a lot of times cities 00:15:20
cut those and, but I try to remind everybody like that's the kind of stuff that then you, when you need them, you regret cutting 00:15:27
it and you don't want to get into that situation. So you can see that's a big chunk of the funding, $337,000, but they're 00:15:33
important. They're not glamorous, but they're important. 00:15:40
And then we have $25,000 identified for electric vehicle charging stations at the beach and then $150,000 for it's actually 00:15:47
emergency vehicle preemption traffic signals and that's. 00:15:55
The system where the emergency vehicles can actually change the traffic signals when needed so. 00:16:04
So that's right now what's scheduled. And so if we went back to that chart, for example, I. 00:16:10
Back one more slide. So for CIP, again that spike, it would drop back down like what we're expecting for 2025 is that that 00:16:18
category is going to drop back down to that 2023 level and that was just a one year increase because of the Bubbling Springs Park 00:16:24
project. 00:16:29
And so. 00:16:36
Most of the other categories are pretty consistent, like streets and maintenance didn't very much. Parks and Rec varied a little 00:16:37
bit. I would say both dropped a little bit, mostly because we allocated that funding to the Bubbling Springs Park project. So that 00:16:44
impacted some of the other areas, but you know, they've been pretty consistent and so. 00:16:51
We. 00:17:02
Oh, and then the next slide, please. 00:17:04
And so we looked at next year's. 00:17:06
Estimate. 00:17:10
And let me give you a little bit of information on that is what we base, where we, how we come up with this number that we 00:17:12
estimate that Measure U revenues will be $3.1 million next year is the city actually has a contract with a company called HDL and 00:17:20
HD LS. They're the kind of the standard most of these contract with HDL and their expertise is sales tax analysis and property tax 00:17:27
analysis and because they contract with everyone. 00:17:34
They see they are pretty good usually at anticipating what's gonna happen with sales tax and property tax. And so for us next 00:17:42
year, they anticipate our sales tax is gonna be pretty flat. 00:17:49
We aren't gonna, we don't expect growth, a lot of growth next year in sales tax and really mostly that can be attributed to the 00:17:57
cannabis tax. 00:18:02
We don't officially have a cannabis tax, but the cannabis revenues that we receive. And so if the cannabis revenues drop, then our 00:18:07
sales tax drops. And just with the neighboring cities continuing to open more and more cannabis dispensaries, we think that is 00:18:14
just going to keep being a pressure on us. So, so the revenues for next year are pretty flat. We've been at about $3.1 million 00:18:22
last year and about $3.1 million this year and we expect to be at about 3 point. 00:18:29
Million next year. 00:18:37
And so that's where we start on this chart is, you know assuming that we have that we expect a $3.1 million revenue next year, 00:18:39
then we basically took the averages from those prior charts and we said if it's $3.1 million that would be this many dollars in 00:18:46
each of these categories based on the averages. So $1.4 million for public safety, $488,000 for streets and maintenance, $343,000 00:18:54
for parks and rec. 00:19:01
$136,000 for CIP. 00:19:09
And so that's essentially when we start with the budget and we have to make assumptions about, you know, what areas we need to 00:19:12
fund, at what levels. This is what we would start with based on kind of the history of the measure, Measure U committee and what's 00:19:20
been approved. And so the point of the item is to basically lay that out and then ask for feedback of is that a good starting 00:19:27
point or you know, is it, is there an area that the committee would want us would want to focus? 00:19:35
More so than others. 00:19:42
So if you can go back one more time. 00:19:45
It's it ends up the the final numbers end up. 00:19:49
Pretty comparable to that 2023 actual, but the big biggest change from 2024 is the CIP. 00:19:53
Dollars go down because of Boeing Springs, but also the public safety dollars would be actually a pretty significant drop from 00:20:02
$2.2 million of Measure U to I think it was one about $1.43 million is is being suggested. So that's probably the if, if I had to 00:20:08
anticipate what the biggest. 00:20:15
Question would be it would probably be are the maybe the biggest discussion point would be. 00:20:23
I think the other categories are like fairly stable or there's a good reason why it's not with the CIP category, but I think it's 00:20:29
that public safety category. Is that the level of funding that the measure you committee would want to allocate or you know this 00:20:38
year it was significantly higher, 2.2 million I think it was. So you know, is that an area that the committee would want to? 00:20:46
Look at prioritizing more than. 00:20:55
Just based on the average in the past. So, so that's again, it's high level. It's sort of, you know, kind of tell us if we're 00:20:58
going in the right direction because now we're going to kind of get into the nitty gritty and actually go through line items and 00:21:04
try to, you know, kind of. 00:21:09
Allocate these dollars into the budget. And so we're just looking for that general feedback. 00:21:17
So did the federal grant that we got for the project, did we meet the deadline? So we got all the funding from them. So Angela 00:21:23
gets to brag that she opened a, what is it, a $6 million check this week, A lovely $6 million. 00:21:32
And so that one I, I want to give credit because. 00:21:41
I'm not. 00:21:49
Confident right now that with everything going on at the state and federal level that we, that we, we may, there may be grant 00:21:51
impacts, you know, some of the grants that have been issued in the past could be pulled, you know, could be cancelled or even 00:21:58
dollars that have been promised could be pulled back. So we made sure that we build everything as soon as we as soon as we did it 00:22:05
on the project, we build it and we got the, the biggest chunk of the money in so. 00:22:12
So that was good proactive work by our finance department. And so for us, we at this point, I think we've got almost every dollar 00:22:20
from the federal grant, right. 00:22:26
I think there was like maybe like less than $1,000,000 left or something like that. So, so we've we've been able to get that done 00:22:33
before there's any talk of polling grants back or anything like that. 00:22:39
Great, I had heard some cheering over this way. I wondered what it was. 00:22:45
It is. It's just me. Yeah. We don't, we don't get the, you know, you get used to seeing bigger numbers, but we don't see $6 00:22:53
million checks very often, so. 00:22:58
I noticed that we're. 00:23:06
Putting electric vehicle charging station and. 00:23:09
I want to understand the strategy there. I I don't, I don't pay any money for a gas station. Why are we? 00:23:17
Holding those folks out, I have an electric vehicle, but I, I don't, I'm not, I don't need an electric vehicle station around 00:23:26
here. So what's that about? What's the strategy? Is it a money maker? No, it's not a money maker. And that's a that's a big 00:23:33
question that you could get different answers from different people on, but I'll tell you the I'll tell you the best answers that 00:23:39
I've heard is. 00:23:45
And. 00:23:53
When electric vehicle chargers were first becoming, our electric vehicles were first kind of becoming, you know, more popular a 00:23:57
lot of cities. 00:24:02
Adopted like policies or statements that because of the environmental impact, positive environmental impact of driving a zero or 00:24:09
low emission vehicle, that cities were going to be supportive of electric vehicle infrastructure and install electric vehicle 00:24:17
infrastructure. 00:24:24
A lot of cities, most cities, I would say from about 2015 to 2020, a lot of cities that installed them actually installed it with 00:24:33
free electricity, which was something that was was not sustainable. And I was working in a city that had installed free chargers 00:24:40
and had to be the person to break the news that you can't afford to keep paying for people's electricity. And so, so most cities 00:24:48
at this point have now started to charge. 00:24:55
The cost of the electricity and so, but it's not a money maker. I'm not really aware of any city that actually like charges enough 00:25:03
to make any profit off of it. But I think that the general, you know, there's, there's a lot to it, but I think the general 00:25:10
response from cities would be, well, you know, we adopted as a policy a statement that we wanted to support electric vehicles to 00:25:17
reduce the greenhouse gases in our community or, you know, something along those lines. 00:25:24
So. 00:25:32
So that's the thought. And so we as a city have. 00:25:33
Plans that call for installation of chargers at certain locations. Interesting. Like interestingly enough, when you mention it, 00:25:38
because that is probably the one project on this list that I did a little bit of a double take at is that now home charging is 00:25:45
becoming so prevalent that it's like you start to think, well, maybe maybe those plans that we had initially are kind of outdated 00:25:51
now, you know? 00:25:57
But, and so it's something. 00:26:05
Something we've talked about internally and it's like, well, how many vehicles, chargers do we need? And I don't think we need as 00:26:07
many as we thought we needed. 00:26:11
Because if you remember when electric vehicles first came out, it was like cities were trying to jam in chargers as much as 00:26:15
possible. But a lot of people just charge at home now. 00:26:18
So I think for us, we still have a couple in key locations. We have plans to put a couple at Bubbling Springs Park eventually. 00:26:23
That was actually part of the grant. And so it's actually a grant requirement now that we had proposed it back in 2017 or whenever 00:26:30
that grant application went in. And then we had planned to put a couple at the beach. And so we don't actually have a whole lot 00:26:37
planned, but those ones are part of the plan. So we have them in our capital improvement project plan, so. 00:26:44
I wonder why they can't be profitable because if you have an EV and you get some location you realize you don't have enough fuel, 00:26:51
you'd be thrilled to pay anything. 00:26:57
To charge them so I, I don't know if the consumer would be hurt when they were told your choices pay this amount or go home and 00:27:02
push the car home and so they would pay I think they could be profitable if you can change the meters. One of the challenges for 00:27:10
cities to to bear in mind and you know, it's funny because I think you've identified like a, like a, what's it called a gap in the 00:27:17
market. Somebody out there can. 00:27:25
You know, and I keep saying this, I keep waiting for a gas station to convert a couple of spaces to electric and, you know, and 00:27:32
actually make some money off of it. But for cities, as a general rule, we are not able to charge for service. We provide more than 00:27:39
the cost of the service itself. And so cities, we really can't make profits. It's almost it's, you know, we're, we're a public 00:27:46
service, so. 00:27:53
Can you charge for the cost of installing? 00:28:01
I mean, if you cost $10,000 to install one of these things, can you put that you could build that into the cost. So since we can 00:28:04
recover the cost of service, we could say we're gonna charge for electricity, we're gonna, every person who charges is gonna pay, 00:28:10
you know, .0001% of the installation cost as well. And you can recover the cost back. So, so that that is possible over what time 00:28:16
period? 00:28:23
5-10 years, what is it? 00:28:29
Normally when we do rate studies, we do, we do most of them on like kind of a five year cycle. So probably that it's technical and 00:28:33
there might be some ability to adjust that. But normally we do things over A5 year periods. And as an example, we went to council 00:28:40
last week to talk about our utility rates and we're in the council approved that we're going to do a five year study for our 00:28:47
utility rates. So we we tend to do 5 year cycles. Very good. Thank you. 00:28:54
I one more comment. 00:29:02
With all the new building going in, there's not enough parking to start with. People don't have a garage to park in and charge in. 00:29:05
So it really occurred to me I've been thinking about this lately. What happens to people who live in apartments? Who. 00:29:12
Don't can't just plug into their home thing. 00:29:20
So they got to go find some place to charge up and. 00:29:23
That's why we talked about this internally and we were talking about, you know what, we might not need hundreds of charging 00:29:27
stations, but on the flip side, you know, some people's opinion at the we've heard some feedback where people go, hey, you know, 00:29:33
it seems like people have enough charges right now. But the reality is our our kind of opinion was looking at our community and 00:29:39
the fact that we have a lot of. 00:29:46
Like condo complexes? Townhome complexes with homeowners associations. 00:29:53
To the public, but ensuring we have enough that the people who need them have access to them. 00:30:27
So Surfside One condominiums, they have them now and they're profitable on those. 00:30:32
And so it serves their little community there. But also if you just charge off a of 110 volts in your garage overnight, you'll get 00:30:39
enough charge to take you a number of miles. I mean, we're talking about under pain on the car, but I think you could get. 00:30:49
1/2 charge, that would be about 150 miles. So unless you're commuting a long distance, that sort of maintains it for you just with 00:31:05
110 Volt power. 00:31:11
So. 00:31:21
These. 00:31:24
The charging stations you're talking about at the beach, would they be, they'd be inside the lot. And so would people also have to 00:31:25
get a parking permit as well, right? Yes. Is that what you're talking about? Yes and so. 00:31:32
It can be set up a couple ways and I don't remember off the top with the plan. I think that the way it works typically is they 00:31:40
can, when they park at the charging station, they pay to park at the charging station, but they can only stay in that spot while 00:31:46
they're charging and then they need to move. And then they would have to buy a parking permit. And so the cost of the permit would 00:31:53
be built into the cost of the charging. 00:31:59
So. 00:32:07
And then is there an indicator so when, when the parking lady goes by, she can see that it's fully charged or something? I don't 00:32:08
know how those work. Yeah, yeah, potentially they do. I mean, you go to the beach and you could forget, you know, just like you 00:32:15
forget you only have a 2 hour, you know, permit or yeah, they're, they're pretty fancy. Now there's things they have some of them 00:32:23
will have lights saying that they're fully charged. You know, they all have. 00:32:30
Screens that will say whether they're charging or fully charged, and then a lot of them too now. 00:32:38
I think the ones we have at City Hall do this. If, if you're fully charged, it'll actually e-mail you and tell you or send you a 00:32:45
notification on your phone. You know your car is ready, please move it, that kind of a thing. So I know Tesla has a simple system. 00:32:53
That when you are full. 00:33:01
They start charging you idle fees. That's probably something at a dollar a minute. 00:33:05
To encourage you to move your vehicle and so you get it out of there, you pay attention to it, it's on your shoulders to time it. 00:33:11
So I, I would like that for us, if it's idle, charge them. That's probably how we address that. You know, the concern, if the 00:33:17
concern is that, you know, people will figure out, well, if I park there and I put the plug in, then I don't have to pay for 00:33:24
parking. You're probably going to end up paying more if you do that. 00:33:30
So as far as this project is concerned. 00:33:39
Say five years down the road, are they still going to be using these chargers? This thing is going to evolve into something else 00:33:43
that they're going to have to pull these out and put a newer one. Yeah, that's always the concern with these. And there are like 00:33:49
the two standards right now and, and the ones we have are the there's the Tesla standard that is for Tesla's and then there's the 00:33:56
one that's for everybody else. The ones we install are the ones for everybody else. 00:34:02
And both cars. 00:34:09
Both ways you can get at the adapter, so you could use the other one, but typically cities typically don't install the Tesla ones 00:34:12
because they're seen as just being exclusive and only beneficial to Tesla drivers. You know, I'm just thinking, you know, we're 00:34:17
spending money on these and in five years we're going to have to put in something else because I think it's going to evolve that 00:34:23
quick that we don't want to do. 00:34:29
Because we have to swap the units, it'll be a few $1000, but it should be minor. So we have all our master plan documents and some 00:35:05
of them include sort of the plan to get the infrastructure out there. 00:35:12
So I don't know if there's a consensus, but. 00:35:20
You can talk about this. It seems like if we can build the cost of paying for this into the user fee, that way we're not 00:35:23
subsidizing anybody and the money is there to swap it out the next time around. 00:35:29
I think I'm hearing that, yeah. And I think that's that's in line with, no, I agree. Yeah, Yeah, I'll sit there. Yeah, exactly. I 00:35:38
have another thing that I'd like to discuss here for a second on the capital improvement. 00:35:45
We need a traffic light at Lido and Channel Islands Blvd. 00:35:54
I have a. 00:35:58
Rental house over on Bulker and I've had a lot of experience here. It's next impossible to get out many times on Channel Islands 00:36:00
Blvd. and there's a series of wrecks there that happen all the time. I think the people coming out of. 00:36:06
Wanami Bay or also kind of in a situation. So what's happening is I've lived here a long time with Channel Islands Blvd. Used to 00:36:14
be you could play hockey out there and now it's just it's a constant. We've got the traffic speeds down, but. 00:36:22
Housing developments going in, this whole thing at the harbor, there's going to be lots more traffic going there and that's a 00:36:31
that's a particularly dangerous area. For one point, there was like a week or a record to a week over there. I'm looking at what 00:36:37
insurance company should pay for a light there because it would save them some money. It was pretty bad. I haven't been over there 00:36:43
much recently, but I'd like to throw that out as maybe. 00:36:50
A potential capital improvement. I don't know what other people think. 00:36:57
Yeah, and we. 00:37:02
There was actually when I first arrived, I think we had three accidents in two weeks there. And, and for me it was, it was 00:37:04
surprising because. 00:37:08
A lot of people know I lived here for 10 years and then became city manager somewhere else. And so then I moved there and then I 00:37:14
came back. I came back to work here and now I need to figure out how to move back here and so but. 00:37:20
So I had lived here and I never thought of that area is particularly dangerous. It wasn't. And I came back and we had three 00:37:27
accidents in two weeks. So, so we did, we went out, we restriped, we added the keep clear area and we, we lowered the speed limit. 00:37:33
So we did a few things in it and it's definitely. 00:37:39
We aren't getting 3 accidents in two weeks anymore, but it's an area we get a lot of questions about and we hear about so. So has 00:37:45
there been a? 00:37:49
Has there been a study, have you seen the difference with lowering the speed limit? Yeah, we've definitely seen an improvement 00:37:55
since then. And. 00:37:59
The we've seen an improvement, I think to member Scrivener's point is 11 little like fact to keep in mind that that I I think we 00:38:05
almost like all like naturally know, but we never talk about is that that intersection of Channel Islands and Ventura is actually 00:38:13
one of the busiest intersections in the county. I think it's the number 2 busiest intersection in the county. 00:38:21
The intersection of Channel Islands and Ventura is is what second busiest intersection in the county? Yeah. 00:38:31
And so, so we, we, we did those things. It's definitely made a difference. Like we haven't had the accidents at nearly the same 00:38:37
rate we were having before. But it is a kind of a area for us that we're, we're continuing to watch it. And like, we know we might 00:38:45
need to keep adjusting if it just keeps getting more and more busy, you know? And so there's a couple things like Mr. Scrivener 00:38:52
mentioned, the there are plans to do something big at the harbor. And if that happens, that could bring more traffic. I'm not. 00:39:00
My breath on that one because I think there's been plans to do something big at the harbor for 20 years now, but it doesn't look 00:39:07
like a good idea. The idea that they picked is surprised me. So I guess we'll see if it goes anywhere. But so that's an area, I 00:39:15
think that's an area that we will continue to watch and keep an eye on and. 00:39:22
I think at this point with this being like the high level discussion, it's like I think it's appropriate if you want to give some 00:39:31
general. 00:39:34
Areas to focus on like that, then we can kind of take it back and try to figure out how we can build things in and and all and you 00:39:40
know, kind of start planning for so. 00:39:45
So can I ask, how do people feel about the balance of? 00:39:50
Projected income for different category to go back to us. 00:39:54
So with. 00:40:01
What did you call it? A. 00:40:05
Flat revenue projection for this year and looking at the. 00:40:07
The lower proportions, how is that going to because for me public safety is is the biggest priority and I think we've done a good 00:40:17
job for them so far. How is that projection, whatever that amount is you've projected for this? Yeah, coming here for the fourteen 00:40:26
1,000,431, how is that going to affect their overall budget is that. 00:40:34
Yeah. And you know, one thing I didn't say and I think it's essentially where you're going is. 00:40:44
You know. 00:40:50
Our sales tax revenue is flat. It's going to be tight this year for us as a city. 00:40:51
Our our budget was very tight last year. We were essentially. 00:40:59
We we cut $3,000,000 out of the budget to stay balanced last year. 00:41:08
And looking ahead? 00:41:14
If you're looking ahead and you're expecting your biggest revenue sales tax to stay flat, but we all know costs are going up right 00:41:17
now and inflation and everything, we expect costs to go up, let's let's say conservatively 5% while you're starting with the 5% 00:41:23
deficit. So, so we do expect the budget to be very tight. 00:41:30
And so I think maybe to maybe the best answer to I think the where you're going with that is that if. 00:41:38
Public safety is the priority for Measure U. That would be like, that would be like a perfect example of the feedback to us 00:41:48
because then we can make sure when we're doing the budget that we make that the priority for Measure U. 00:41:53
And so although. 00:42:00
It's hard to get into the the weeds with that right now because you only have a chunk of the budget in front of you, not the whole 00:42:04
thing. I think it's going to be very tight and I think that that would be whatever maybe a good way to approach it is whatever is 00:42:10
the priority measure, you identifies that and then we'll make sure it's the priority. I think that's kind of the high level 00:42:15
guidance at this point, so. 00:42:20
Priorities. 00:42:27
What do you think? 00:42:28
I think we've seen that this looks sort of like a standard other than this one change we had in CIP that. 00:42:32
But we knew that was coming. 00:42:38
So that looks like a good. 00:42:41
Distribution between the four different. 00:42:42
I also agree. I believe it's. 00:42:54
It I agree with public safety being the top priority. 00:42:59
Yeah, the way they're prioritized right there, you can see that that. 00:43:05
The road we should be going. 00:43:09
I feel like since you've come on board and the new chief has come on board, we've had kind of some remarkable changes in the whole 00:43:14
public safety thing, which I'm very grateful for. 00:43:19
I think everybody I've talked to is pretty happy with and if we're not safe, nothing else, nothing else matters. And I don't want 00:43:27
to get overly paranoid and get, you know, an armed police force with, with tanks and some of the people now, but that's not the 00:43:33
direction we're headed in. So, so basically tank would be more than 1.4 million. 00:43:40
I think the public safety is in real public safety, not stuff that's thrown in, it's puffed, which we hear all the time, but I 00:43:51
think from what I can see, the chiefs. 00:43:56
Decisions have been right on and so I think my personal opinion is that's the first priority and everything else falls beyond 00:44:02
after that. 00:44:07
So I think. 00:44:13
I think the sense I get. 00:44:15
And I guess I'll ask you guys to tell me if I'm just wrong is as we start to develop the budget that. 00:44:18
Keeping public safety is the priority. We have sort of a draft what we expect budget to look like, but if we get down the road and 00:44:27
we realize that. 00:44:31
You know, public safety is being shorted compared to the year before then we I think we have the support to make sure that it's 00:44:36
the priority and that we're able to to pay for what we need for public safety. And so if that that increases a little bit and we 00:44:41
take everything else down a little bit at that time if that's what's needed, it sounds like the committee supports that, but we'll 00:44:47
try to start with this and see where that gets us and then. 00:44:53
I think with the process, we're planning to come back, but the next item we'll get to a minute is sets the meeting calendar. But 00:44:59
we'd be coming back in March with, with the, with the, you know, the detail to it. And we'd come back and we can say if we were 00:45:05
able to make everything work at these levels or if we needed to adjust public safety up and everything else down a little bit. 00:45:12
OK, great. OK with everybody. Yes. 00:45:19
In public safety was that? 00:45:23
Donut ******** ******** nation of the Kirby Was that in those funds? Is that oh the traffic don't the traffic donut pilot project? 00:45:27
That wasn't this fund actually that we were able to do that with, it would have been our streets and maintenance and then we 00:45:42
actually have applied for a grant for to hopefully cover the cost of that and maybe. 00:45:49
If we decided to try a second location, we've had some requests from some neighborhoods for a second location of of that. So, so 00:45:56
that shouldn't come out of the public safety funding. So well, that's been highly successful. Everyone's noticed it's changed that 00:46:05
a lot. And also places like right in front of the Surfside Seafood, I noticed they have moved over there. 00:46:13
And so some curbing there would be a similar type of stuff and it's low, I think it's low maintenance. 00:46:22
Yeah. We, what we came up with was pretty low cost, pretty low maintenance. We wanted to test it, but we figured. 00:46:29
That would be wonderful. And it appears that the fire department's happy with that type of curbing. It doesn't slow them down and. 00:47:08
It's also it can be camouflaged because especially like in front of Surfside Seafood, it can be put between the parking spots so 00:47:17
that still people can come and go. No one's going to run over that little curb. If they do, it doesn't hurt their car, but it 00:47:24
still keeps the. 00:47:31
I don't know, crazy teenagers out of there. So the only thing is if we could employ that type of curbing other places so that we 00:47:38
get out of the race car syndrome. 00:47:45
Down. 00:47:52
Ventura Rd. 00:47:54
I've heard complaints from the Navy base, the people that live over there, it's just horrible for them. Ventura Roads a challenge. 00:47:56
We I. 00:48:02
We brought back motorcycle enforcement and hopefully you've seen them. I've seen them because I drive Ventura Rd. every day, but 00:48:08
they are out there every day. And in fact today we had our employee appreciation event and when I came out they had just pulled 00:48:14
somebody over and were. 00:48:19
Writing them a ticket right, right at Ventura and Park Rd. So, so we've been, we've been using the motorcycle enforcement to to 00:48:26
sort of focus on Ventura Rd. because it was we were just seeing a lot of people there just really speeding at. 00:48:33
A high rate of speed. So we're trying to. 00:48:42
Prioritize that area for the motorcycle enforcement. 00:48:44
I think it's for the Navy base personnel, which, you know, there, there are good citizens. We want to serve them when they're 00:48:47
here. We, I had some friends who just moved from the Navy base down to Magoo because it was just so loud. 00:48:55
It was the revving of engines, yeah. I don't know if it was racing, but it was the revving of engines at stoplights. 00:49:03
And so that was sort of electric vehicles will get rid of that problem long term. 00:49:09
I've noticed a big decrease in the loud cars. 00:49:16
I think that the motors have. 00:49:22
Put the message out, we're looking for you and we're catching some of you. So although it's still really irritating, I'm not 00:49:26
seeing the same level of Donuts and I've seen people race on Ventura Rd. like I used to and and the loud. 00:49:32
One of my ranchers in Camarillo, she bought her son a brand new BMW. 00:49:43
18 E 21 here. So he went and popped holes in the muffler so it makes noise. It's like. 00:49:49
Yeah, it's like, Oh my God. 00:49:56
What's the what is the new BMW exhaust system cost? But I think I think if we can get the police to start pulling people over for 00:49:59
noise, it's one thing to get a ticket. It's another thing if they got to put $3000 back in there exhaust system to to pass for 00:50:05
they can pop holes in it again and and do it again. I live a block off of. 00:50:12
Pleasant Valley and when that light at Pleasant Valley and Jay is green they just. 00:50:19
Very loudly and we all looked at each other and we were like, we, we got it. That's the next thing we got to get a strategy on. 00:50:56
So, so I know that they're already talking about it so. 00:51:01
Well, the one thing I have learned about our new chief is every time I bring something up to him, he's already like a month and a 00:51:08
half ahead of me. I got the sense that they've already started trying to figure out how to deal with it, you know, But it was like 00:51:13
we had to stop our conversation for the vehicle that was 100 feet away. And we all were just like, no, that we got to figure this 00:51:18
out, you know, so. 00:51:24
OK. Well, I think with that general direction that's very helpful to us and especially I think that that that. 00:51:32
You know, this is a good start, but the consensus that and if need be, you know with the rest of the budget and how that looks 00:51:41
that we will make sure to prioritize the public safety aspect of it so we can take that direction. I don't think we need a motion 00:51:47
at this point. I think it's just general direction. 00:51:54
And if everybody's ready, we can move to item 3. 00:52:01
And item 3 we will need a motion for, but this is just part of again, trying to be proactive, trying to plan, trying to make sure 00:52:07
that that we're planning for the year. So we brought our. 00:52:13
Proposed quarterly meeting times and dates and we essentially. 00:52:22
Tried to schedule it the last Wednesday at 5:00 PM except for in December because the last Wednesday's ends up being Christmas or 00:52:29
Christmas Eve and so in December it'd be December 17th. 00:52:36
That one we specifically wanted to call out because I know some people travel, you know, around that period. So if any of these, 00:52:44
but particularly December, if we needed to move it up even a week, that could be something we can do relatively easily. But as of 00:52:50
now, we have proposed these meeting dates for for next year and that March meeting date would be the one where we'd really dig 00:52:56
into the budget, so. 00:53:02
So if there is a motion to approve this schedule. 00:53:09
Or a motion to change anything and then approve the schedule that can be done at this time. 00:53:13
Would anybody like to change? 00:53:19
Motion to approve. 00:53:25
2nd the motion. 00:53:27
All in favor. All in favor, aye. 00:53:29
And all opposed. 00:53:32
All right, hearing none. The calendar is approved and we will meet again on March 26th. I do have one question. We've had a change 00:53:34
in the council members, Bobby Martinez's left and Louise, Jess Lopez, Jeff Lopez is in. So we're all appointed by somebody. So I 00:53:42
assume that doesn't affect anybody except whoever Bobby. 00:53:50
I'm nominated by Bobby. 00:54:03
Believe it was member Villanueva. 00:54:06
I believe. 00:54:10
And but. 00:54:12
Nothing's changed yet. The new council member will be sworn in next Monday. 00:54:14
And then the item for them to either confirm or change any appointments will come to the council. I think we're planning January 00:54:20
6th at this point. So nothing, it's possible that you know, nothing changes, but we'll know for sure January 6th. He has the 00:54:26
option of picking somebody else. He has the opportunity to say, you know, oh, I know I have the perfect person that I want to put 00:54:32
on this board. That's. 00:54:38
Keeping you here if you want to do that, because you show up and you do your duty so. 00:54:45
So that would be January 6, Yeah. And we'll make sure the way it works is that and it's not just this board, but basically all our 00:54:51
boards. 00:54:55
Will bring a list of them with all the appointments to the council. We'll say we have a new council member and then they get to 00:55:02
propose any changes. Then after that meeting we'll like get in contact with anybody who is reappointed or not reappointed. So, so, 00:55:09
so that would be January 6th and then we don't have another meeting till March 26th. 00:55:15
So I'm guessing by March 26 we'll have known for quite a while. 00:55:22
So, so I'll keep everybody in the loop though after January 6th, we'll let everybody know if there's been any change or anything 00:55:31
like that. 00:55:35
OK, can I have a motion to close the meeting? 00:55:41
I make the motion to close the meeting. 00:55:48
2nd. 00:55:50
All in favor. 00:55:52
Get to use this. 00:55:55
Thank you all for coming. Thank you. 00:55:58