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HOUSING AUTHORITY BUSINESS ITEMS – None.
CALL TO ORDER / FLAG SALUTE / ROLL CALL
INSPIRATION
PUBLIC COMMENT
AGENDA APPROVAL FOR CITY COUNCIL
PRESENTATIONS:

ITEM #1: PEACE OFFICERS MEMORIAL DAY AND NATIONAL POLICE WEEK PROCLAMATION
ITEM #2: MENTAL HEALTH AWARENESS MONTH PROCLAMATION
ITEM #3: 56TH ANNUAL PROFESSIONAL MUNICIPAL CLERKS WEEK PROCLAMATION
RECESS THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING / CALL TO ORDER THE PORT HUENEME HOUSING AUTHORITY REGULAR MEETING / ROLL CALL
HOUSING AUTHORITY PUBLIC COMMENT - none
HOUSING AUTHORITY CONSENT CALENDAR
HOUSING AUTHORITY PUBLIC HEARING:

ITEM #6: 2025-2029 5-YEAR PUBLIC HOUSING AGENCY (PHA) PLAN AND THE CAPITAL FUND 5-YEAR PLAN
AUTHORITY MEMBERS’ REPORTS, COMMENTS, & REQUEST FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS
ADJOURNMENT OF THE PORT HUENEME HOUSING AUTHORITY REGULAR MEETING / CALL TO ORDER THE SPECIAL JOINT MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL, HOUSING AUTHORITY, AND SURPLUS PROPERTY AUTHORITY COMMISSION / ROLL CALL
PUBLIC HEARING:

ITEM #7: BIENNUAL BUDGET FISCAL YEARS 2025-26 AND 2026-27 BUDGET WORKSHOP
ADJOURNMENT OF THE SPECIAL JOINT MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL, HOUSING AUTHORITY, AND SURPLUS PROPERTY AUTHORITY COMMISSION / RECONVENE CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING
CONSENT CALENDAR
PUBLIC HEARINGS:

ITEM #12: ANNUAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT COMPLIANCE REVIEW FOR EMERALD PERSPECTIVE COOPERATIVE, INC. AND FINDING OF EXEMPTION FROM CEQA
BUSINESS ITEMS:

ITEM #13: ELECTRIC / MOTORIZED VEHICLES ON HUENEME BEACH PIER
CITY MANAGER COMMENTS AND REPORTS
COUNCILMEMBERS' REPORTS AND COMMENTS
REQUEST FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS / ADJOURNMENT

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	Good evening everyone. We'll go ahead and get started of the regular City Council meeting. Today is May the 5th.	00:02:26
	We'll call this meeting to order at 6:30.	00:02:33
	And we'll start with the flag salute. Councilmember Gamma, would you like to leave?	00:02:38
	I pledge allegiance to the flag.	00:02:48
	And to the Republic for which it stands.	00:02:52
	Thank you.	00:03:01
	All right, we'll move on to a roll call. Madam Clerk, please take role.	00:03:04
	Councilmember.	00:03:09
	Here, Councilmember Hernandez here, Councilmember Perez here, Mayor Pro Tem Lopez here, and Mayor McQueen Lashon here.	00:03:11
	And we're going to have Councilmember.	00:03:19
	Hernandez or inspiration this evening. Thank you mayor. Good evening everyone. As you know today is Cinco de Mayo and we're.	00:03:21
	Celebrating our cultural heritage on this day.	00:03:28
	Among other things, but I wanted to just read the story to you and.	00:03:33
	Provide a little education about the history of Cinco de Mayo.	00:03:38
	So bear with me, it's only a page long.	00:03:43
	Once Upon a time, in the heart of Mexico, there was a small town called Puebla.	00:03:46
	It was the year 1862 and the country was in turmoil.	00:03:50
	Mexico was facing a formidable challenge foreign invasion led by the French Empire, which sought to expand its influence.	00:03:54
	And control over the nation.	00:04:01
	The Mexican people were wary.	00:04:03
	From years of conflict and economic hardship, but they were determined to defend their homeland.	00:04:06
	In Puebla, a young general named Ignacio Zaragoza rallied his troops. He was not a man of great stature, but he possessed an	00:04:11
	indomitable spirit in a fierce love for his country.	00:04:17
	Zaragoza knew that the odds were stacked against them. The French army was well equipped and experienced, while his own soldiers	00:04:23
	were often poorly armed.	00:04:28
	And outnumbered.	00:04:33
	Yet he believed in the heart and resilience of his people.	00:04:34
	On May.	00:04:38
	5th 1862 The two armies clashed in a fierce battle.	00:04:39
	The French forces, confident in their superiority, expected an easy victory.	00:04:44
	But Zaragoza and his men fought with unparalleled courage. They were fueled not just by the desire to win, but by a deep sense of	00:04:49
	pride and unity.	00:04:54
	As the sun rose over the battlefield, the sounds of cannon fire and the cries of soldiers filled the air.	00:04:59
	Against all odds, the Mexican army emerged victorious that day.	00:05:06
	The Battle of Puebla became a symbol of resistance and hope, demonstrating that even the most powerful adversaries could be	00:05:10
	challenged by the spirit of a united people.	00:05:16
	The victory was celebrated not just in Puebla, but throughout Mexico and beyond.	00:05:21
	It ignited a sense of nationalism and pride that resonated with people far and wide.	00:05:26
	Has the years passed, Cinco de Mayo transformed from a local celebration into a national holiday. It became a day to honor the	00:05:33
	bravery of those who fought for freedom and to celebrate Mexican culture and heritage.	00:05:39
	Communities across Mexico and in the United States began to commemorate this day with parades, music.	00:05:46
	And traditional foods showcasing the rich tapestry of Mexican traditions.	00:05:53
	Today, Cinco de Mayo is not just a celebration of a historic battle.	00:05:58
	It is a reminder of the strength that comes from unity and resilience.	00:06:02
	It teaches us that no matter how daunting, the challenges we face.	00:06:06
	We can overcome them when we stand together.	00:06:10
	The spirit of Zaragoza and the brave soldiers of Puebla live.	00:06:13
	Inspiring generations to fight for their dreams and to celebrate their identities.	00:06:17
	So, as we gather to celebrate Cinco de Mayo, let us remember the lessons of history. Let us honor the courage of those who came	00:06:22
	before us, and embrace the diversity that enriches our lives.	00:06:28
	In every dance, every song, and every shared meal, we find a connection to our past and a promise.	00:06:34
	For our future, together we can create a world.	00:06:40
	Where hope and unity prevail, just as they did on that fateful day in Puebla.	00:06:43
	Thank you.	00:06:48
	Thank you.	00:06:49
	All right. I will now move to public comments. Madam Clerk, are there any public comments not pertaining to the agenda items? We	00:06:50
	have one public comment from Becky Bernie.	00:06:54
	Good evening, Mayor. Mayor Pro Tem.	00:07:07
	Council staff and audience.	00:07:10
	My name is Becky Bernie and I'm here.	00:07:12
	Representing Roke up the outdoors tonight.	00:07:15
	On June 1st, we're having our annual fundraiser dinner.	00:07:18
	We have like about 20 tickets left.	00:07:23
	So if you're interested.	00:07:26
	You better get.	00:07:28
	Thank you.	00:07:29
	That concludes public comment.	00:07:33
	Thank you.	00:07:35
	Now we'll move to the agenda review.	00:07:36
	May I have a motion and a second?	00:07:39
	Accept the agenda.	00:07:41
	Move to approve.	00:07:43
	2nd, 2nd.	00:07:45
	Thank you, Madam Clerk. All in favor.	00:07:46
	Aye, all opposed.	00:07:49
	Hearing none, motion passes unanimously.	00:07:51
	Thank you.	00:07:53
	Do we have any council members who have a conflict of interest as relates to any of our agendas items?	00:07:54
	If not, we'll move on to our presentation. So the first will be the peace Officers Memorial Day and National Police.	00:08:02
	Weak proclamation.	00:08:09
	And we'll have Police Commander Albertson to come up while our Mayor Pro Temp is reading the proclamation.	00:08:10
	OK Proclamation, Peace Officers, Memorial Day and National Police Week.	00:08:17
	Which is May 15th, 2025.	00:08:23
	And then May 11th.	00:08:25
	Through the 17th, 2025.	00:08:27
	Whereas the Congress and President of the United States have designated.	00:08:29
	May 15th as the National Peace Officers Memorial Day.	00:08:33
	With the week in which it falls.	00:08:36
	As police weekend, whereas there are approximately 900 law enforcement officers.	00:08:39
	Serving in communities across the United States, including.	00:08:44
	The dedicated members of the poor enemy Police Department.	00:08:47
	And whereas members of the Port Wayne Police Department recognize their duty to serve the people.	00:08:50
	By safeguarding life property.	00:08:55
	By protecting them against violence or disorder.	00:08:57
	And by protecting the innocent against.	00:09:00
	Deception and the weak against oppression.	00:09:02
	Or intimidation and whereas.	00:09:05
	It is proper that we express gratitude for the dedicated service and courageous deeds of the men and women of the police.	00:09:08
	The Port Wyoming Police Department.	00:09:14
	And for the contributions that they have had.	00:09:16
	Through the security and well-being of all people in our community and whereas more than two.	00:09:20
	20,000 Law enforcement officers, United States.	00:09:25
	Who have made the ultimate sacrifice?	00:09:28
	And have been killed in the line of duty.	00:09:30
	Including the sworn officers.	00:09:32
	In the County of Ventura, and whereas the names of the dedicated public servants are engraved on the walls.	00:09:34
	Of the National Law Enforcement Officer Memorial in Washington, DC.	00:09:40
	And whereas, May 15th, 2025 is designated as a National Peace Officers Memorial Day.	00:09:45
	In honor of the set.	00:09:51
	Service and sacrifices of all officers killed in the line of duty.	00:09:52
	And their families.	00:09:56
	Now.	00:09:57
	Be it proclaimed that the City Council of the city of Portland, Emily.	00:09:58
	Formally designates May 11th through the 17th, 2025 as Police Week.	00:10:02
	And May 15th, 2025 as peace officers Memorial Day.	00:10:07
	In the city of Port Hueneme.	00:10:11
	And publicly salute the service of the law enforcement officers in our community.	00:10:14
	And in the communities across the nation.	00:10:18
	Proclaimed this fifth day of May 2025.	00:10:20
	Thank you. Over to you commander.	00:10:24
	So on behalf of the men and women of the Police Department, I'd like to thank you for the proclamation.	00:10:26
	Chief sends his regrets. He's actually out the Sacramento event today.	00:10:31
	He'll be coming back this evening.	00:10:35
	And I just wanted to remind.	00:10:37
	Council and the public that.	00:10:39
	The Ventura County.	00:10:41
	Peace Officers Memorial is taking place on Wednesday, May 21st.	00:10:42
	At 10:00 AM up at the Government Center.	00:10:46
	So I would encourage you to attend. So it's really nice event and.	00:10:49
	Like to see everybody there.	00:10:53
	Thank you, 21. Great. Thank you so much.	00:10:54
	And go ahead.	00:10:59
	123.	00:11:17
	We'll move on to our next presentation.	00:11:31
	And that's the Mental Health Awareness Month proclamation.	00:11:35
	And I would imagine there is a representative.	00:11:38
	For doctor during say thank you.	00:11:42
	So we're going to have our councilmember Perez is going to read that and you can go ahead and come up if you'd like.	00:11:44
	Thank you.	00:11:51
	Mental Health Awareness Month May 2025 whereas there is a proven connection between good mental health and overall personal	00:11:52
	health.	00:11:56
	And whereas, according to the World Health Organization, over 450 million people suffer from a mental illness.	00:12:00
	And whereas suicide is the 10th leading cause of death in the United States and 2nd leading cause of death among people ages 10 to	00:12:06
	24.	00:12:10
	And 90% of people who die by suicide have an underlying mental illness.	00:12:15
	And whereas only one out of two people.	00:12:20
	With a serious form of mental illness, seeks treatment.	00:12:23
	For his or her mental illness.	00:12:26
	And whereas good mental health is critical to the well-being of our families, communities, schools and businesses.	00:12:28
	Whereas public education and civic activities can encourage mental health and help improve.	00:12:35
	The lives of individuals and families affected by mental illness.	00:12:42
	Whereas people with mental illness recover if given the necessary services and support in their communities.	00:12:46
	And whereas every citizen and community can make a difference in helping in the silence and stigma.	00:12:52
	That far too long have surrounded mental illness and discourage people from getting help.	00:12:58
	And whereas the City of Port Hueneme, Portoenia Police Department and agencies throughout the Ventura County will strive for	00:13:03
	community awareness and education.	00:13:07
	Are taking part in various events throughout the month of May.	00:13:11
	To create awareness and support those dealing with mental health issues.	00:13:15
	Now, therefore.	00:13:19
	Be proclaimed.	00:13:20
	Excuse me?	00:13:22
	That the City Council of the City of Port.	00:13:23
	Hereby recognizes and proclaims the month of May, 2025.	00:13:25
	As Mental Health Awareness Month.	00:13:29
	We call upon an increase in public understanding of the importance of mental health and to promote identification and treatment of	00:13:31
	mental illness.	00:13:35
	Thank you. I am not Doctor Dennering. I am Connie Moreno Peraza. I'm the assistant director of Ventura County Behavioral Health.	00:13:40
	I want to. I'm very honored and I'm very thankful that you are giving us this proclamation.	00:13:46
	Want to always always promote our accessing crisis line if I may 866-998-2243.	00:13:50
	We are 24/7, 365 days. We know there's a lot of folks suffering.	00:13:58
	Not just even even past a pandemic.	00:14:03
	But we are seeing our young people suffering also from anxiety, depression, suicidality, suicide attempts.	00:14:06
	Please, let's stay connected with our young people. One in five adults are suffering from an illness.	00:14:12
	As you mentioned, although the statistics that are very, very concerning, we are here to help.	00:14:18
	We come to port with me to serve those in need, and we are very thankful for this proclamation.	00:14:23
	Thank you.	00:14:29
	Thank you so much.	00:14:30
	We'd like to get a photo.	00:14:31
	Can you repeat that number again please?	00:14:33
	Thank you.	00:14:36
	Actually, we just centralized our both alcohol and drug and mental health lines, so 866.	00:14:39
	998-2243 Folks can call for either a mental health condition or an addiction.	00:14:45
	Thank you.	00:14:53
	123.	00:15:03
	Thank you so much.	00:15:09
	And for our last.	00:15:17
	Presentation.	00:15:19
	A very important one.	00:15:22
	I'd like to invite up our city clerk.	00:15:23
	Staff Mr. Jenna Alvarez and Miss.	00:15:26
	Evelyn Blvd.	00:15:30
	Kia.	00:15:33
	Right.	00:15:35
	Yeah.	00:15:39
	I had a Machaka for breakfast today in celebration of Cinco de Mayo.	00:15:42
	At the Grand Casa restaurant in Oxnard, Nice.	00:15:46
	56th Annual Professional Municipal Clerks Week, May 4th through the 10th, 2025.	00:15:51
	Whereas the Office of Professional Municipal Clerk, a time honored and vital part of local government, exists throughout the	00:15:57
	world.	00:16:00
	And whereas the office of professional Municipal clerk is the oldest among.	00:16:04
	Public servants.	00:16:09
	And whereas the office of the professional municipal clerk provides the professional link between.	00:16:10
	The citizens, the local governing bodies and agencies of government.	00:16:18
	At other levels and.	00:16:22
	Whereas professional municipal clerks have pledged to be.	00:16:24
	Ever mindful of their neutrality and impartiality, rendering equal service to all.	00:16:29
	And whereas a professional municipal clerk serves as the Information Center.	00:16:34
	On functions of local government.	00:16:39
	And community and whereas professional municipal Kirk's clerks continues.	00:16:41
	Continually strive to improve the administration.	00:16:47
	Of the affairs of the Office of the Professional Municipal Clerk through participation and education programs, seminars,	00:16:50
	workshops, and the annual meetings of their state.	00:16:55
	Provincial, county and international professional organizations and.	00:17:00
	Whereas it's most important that we recognize the accomplishments of the office of the professional municipal clerk.	00:17:06
	Now.	00:17:13
	Therefore.	00:17:13
	Be it proclaimed that the City Council of the City of Port Hueneme does hereby recognize the week of May 4th through the 10th.	00:17:14
	2025.	00:17:22
	As professional municipal clerks week.	00:17:24
	And further extends appreciation to our professional municipal clerk staff. Thank you very much.	00:17:27
	Our city Clerk, Georgiana Alvarez and Administrative Service Coordinator.	00:17:33
	Evelyn Gouian.	00:17:38
	To all professional municipal clerks for the vital services they perform and their exemplary dedication to the communities they	00:17:40
	represent.	00:17:45
	Proclaim this fifth day of May 2025. Thank you so much and I think.	00:17:49
	All of us are indebted to the work that our city clerk, Georgiana does. And there's.	00:17:54
	Support with Evelyn and I appreciate, appreciate you every time we're up here and all the work that goes into getting us.	00:17:59
	What we need?	00:18:06
	I just, sorry, just wanted to say on behalf of the municipal clerks everywhere, I want to thank you for this proclamation	00:18:08
	recognizing and highlighting all the work that we do.	00:18:13
	I invited Evelyn here with me tonight. As many of you know, she's our Administrative Services Coordinator who works in the City	00:18:19
	Clerk's office part time.	00:18:23
	I wanted her to share in this moment because she's part of the success of the city clerk's office.	00:18:27
	And also maybe one day she might cover a meeting for me.	00:18:31
	Being in the clerk's office isn't easy, and there's a certification process to go through. The 1st certification is a certified	00:18:36
	Municipal clerk, the second one being a Master Municipal Clerk. And I'm proud to say that you have a master municipal clerk	00:18:41
	serving you. Yes.	00:18:45
	There are lots of regulations and government codes that you have to know, the Brown Egg Political Reform Act, Public Records Act,	00:18:53
	and Evelyn is familiarizing herself with them and she's working her way through that.	00:18:58
	Umm, it's an honor to serve in this role. It's often behind the scenes, but we take a light or a lot of pride in making sure it	00:19:04
	runs smoothly.	00:19:08
	So I'm truly grateful for your continued support and recognition from City Council and the community.	00:19:12
	And I need to give a.	00:19:18
	Special thank you to Deputy City Manager Charles Peretz.	00:19:20
	And City Manager James Vega for their trust and supports because it makes this job a lot easier.	00:19:24
	Ellen.	00:19:30
	I just want to thank everybody for bearing with me. I'm new to the role, so I'm very appreciative of Georgiana and kind of	00:19:33
	following in her footsteps. So I thank you all.	00:19:37
	Thank you. We're going to take a picture and maybe Adam, could you take our picture for us? Thank you.	00:19:43
	Oh, I'm sorry.	00:19:57
	Oh yeah.	00:20:03
	I don't know one more step.	00:20:16
	Perfect.	00:20:20
	Two and three.	00:20:23
	So I would like to thank Georgiana for keeping us organized and making sure that we are aware of all of our training, our	00:20:37
	requirements, everything that we need to do. You're not our secretary, but boy, you sure keep us up to date on everything. And I	00:20:43
	appreciate you. You go above and beyond, especially with this, I told her in the beginning.	00:20:49
	You have too much to do. You don't need to make me a binder. Just give me a packet and I'll figure it out. But she insisted.	00:20:55
	On this beautiful binder and making sure that we are all.	00:21:02
	In Sync and have everything that we need. So thank you, Georgiana.	00:21:05
	Yes, yes. Thank you, Evelyn and Tortiana, you know when I see you.	00:21:10
	At work and when I interface with you, two things come to mind. Professionalism and effectiveness. You both are just, I'm just, I	00:21:15
	feel so proud of you when I see Evelyn running around City Hall and taking care of business. And every dealing I've had with you,	00:21:21
	Evelyn, and of course Georgiana has been nothing but just perfection. You're always taking good, good care of me and good care of	00:21:27
	this council. Thank you so much for all you do.	00:21:33
	Yes, just thank you since coming on the Council, you've been very helpful and.	00:21:42
	And just.	00:21:47
	Super, super nice and.	00:21:49
	Just want to thank the service is excellent. You and you and Evelyn do a great job. So I'm really appreciative of it. Thank you.	00:21:51
	OK, great. Did you have something else?	00:21:58
	Just want to thank you both. Appreciate.	00:22:00
	All the work you do for us and the attitude and the.	00:22:02
	Make us feel good when we.	00:22:07
	Don't know what we're up against or losing stuff and just it's just great to have your support. So thank you.	00:22:09
	Yes, and I'll just say Ditto.	00:22:15
	Guys are doing a great job.	00:22:17
	OK, so we will now.	00:22:19
	Recessed the City Council meeting and call to order.	00:22:22
	The Port Hueneme Housing Authority regular meeting. We will.	00:22:26
	Take roll call, please, Madam Clerk.	00:22:30
	Member Gama.	00:22:33
	Here. Here, Member Hernandez.	00:22:36
	Present member.	00:22:39
	Press here. Member Brown.	00:22:40
	Here.	00:22:43
	Vice Chair.	00:22:45
	Lopez.	00:22:47
	And Chair McQueen Lejeune here and let the record reflect that Member Blackwell is absent.	00:22:48
	Great. Thank you. Madam Clerk, are there any public comments?	00:22:55
	No public comments.	00:22:59
	OK. We will now consider the items on the Housing Authority Consent Calendar, which is enacted in one motion.	00:23:02
	Unless an authority member would like to pull an item.	00:23:08
	Move approval.	00:23:13
	2nd.	00:23:14
	Great roll call please. All in favor, aye?	00:23:15
	All opposed.	00:23:19
	Hearing none, motion passes unanimously.	00:23:20
	OK, we will now.	00:23:23
	OK, we'll now move to the Housing Authority policy.	00:23:28
	Public hearing.	00:23:30
	The 202520295 year public housing agency.	00:23:32
	Plan and capital fund five year plan.	00:23:36
	Madam Clerk, do you have proof of publication as required by law?	00:23:39
	And a complete file of reports and exhibits. Yes, Madam Mayor.	00:23:43
	Great. Thank you.	00:23:47
	Will staff please present the report?	00:23:49
	Yes, Thank you, Mayor.	00:23:53
	All public housing authorities, ourselves included, are required to review, update and amend.	00:23:57
	Our housing agency plan every five years.	00:24:03
	This update would be the 2025 to 2029 five Year Public Housing Agency plan.	00:24:06
	We are required to hold a public hearing after a 45 day comment period has elapsed.	00:24:15
	We are here today to hold that public hearing.	00:24:20
	And as part of that public hearing, staff is recommending that council adopt A resolution or I'm sorry that the Housing Authority	00:24:22
	board adopt A resolution.	00:24:27
	Approving the five year plan. The Housing Authority five year.	00:24:31
	Public agency.	00:24:35
	Plan and a capital fund five year action plan.	00:24:37
	One of the main changes this year.	00:24:42
	Is umm.	00:24:45
	To the.	00:24:46
	Housing Authority admission and continued occupancy policy or a cop?	00:24:49
	And the Housing Choice Voucher administrative plan.	00:24:54
	And so.	00:24:58
	We have to implement those items by July 1st 2025.	00:24:59
	That is reflected in the plan.	00:25:03
	And uh.	00:25:05
	We noted in our staff report that the agency is.	00:25:06
	Currently waiting on the the Hud's software vendor to update the system so that the city can or the Public housing agency can	00:25:11
	transition to the new regulations.	00:25:16
	So that's one of the main items addressed in the plan.	00:25:21
	Other than that, it was fairly consistent with the with the prior plan so staff is recommending.	00:25:25
	That the Housing Authority board adopt A resolution approving.	00:25:31
	The five year plan and the capital Fund plan at this time.	00:25:35
	Great. Does any board members have any questions?	00:25:41
	I got one question.	00:25:47
	So I know they've been putting off.	00:25:50
	Fix finish in fixing up inside the.	00:25:54
	The building.	00:25:59
	Marvelous to hear.	00:26:01
	You know, the carpets are so old.	00:26:04
	And they were.	00:26:09
	They've been telling us they're going to replace them. I don't know.	00:26:12
	That they have the funding.	00:26:16
	Or they're just waiting for something, you know, but.	00:26:18
	I was just hoping that they would do that pretty soon.	00:26:23
	And what I will say related to this plan is that as part of this.	00:26:29
	The five year capital program plan includes.	00:26:34
	$227,000 of capital.	00:26:38
	Program projects for each year of those five years.	00:26:42
	Which?	00:26:46
	Ends up totaling over $1,000,000 so.	00:26:47
	There is work.	00:26:49
	Intended.	00:26:51
	Are included with the Five year plan.	00:26:53
	Thank you. Thank you.	00:26:55
	Great. Any other questions?	00:26:59
	OK.	00:27:01
	We will now open the public hearing and take public comments.	00:27:03
	The time is now 655. Are there any public comments regarding this item?	00:27:08
	No public comments.	00:27:13
	We will then now close or conclude the public comments portion. I will now close it and the time is now 655.	00:27:16
	We have before us the recommendation to adopt the resolution approving the housing authorities 2025 through 2029 five year plan	00:27:24
	and it's.	00:27:29
	Capital fund, five year action plan and budget.	00:27:34
	May I have a motion?	00:27:37
	And a second.	00:27:39
	Move to approve.	00:27:40
	2nd.	00:27:42
	Great. Is there any discussion?	00:27:43
	There's no discussion. Madam Clerk, please take role.	00:27:48
	Member Brown.	00:27:52
	Yes or yes?	00:27:55
	Member comma.	00:27:56
	Yes, member Perez.	00:27:58
	Yes. Member Hernandez, Yes. Vice Chair Lopez, Yes. And Chair McQueen, Legend, Yes. Motion passes with Blackwell absent.	00:28:00
	Thank you. We'll now move to the authority members reports.	00:28:08
	Any reports?	00:28:12
	Any comments?	00:28:15
	Move on to any future.	00:28:19
	Agenda items.	00:28:21
	Great. If there are nothing, if there's nothing else, we'll go ahead and adjourn this meeting. The time is now 656.	00:28:26
	And the next regular scheduled meeting is June 2nd, 2025 at 6:30 PM.	00:28:34
	The time is now.	00:28:42
	Again 656.	00:28:43
	OK, now we're going to call to order the special joint meeting of the City Council.	00:28:46
	Housing Authority and surplus property authority Commission.	00:28:53
	Madam Clerk, please take a roll call.	00:28:58
	Member Brown.	00:29:01
	Here Council member, Member, Commissioner Gama.	00:29:02
	I am here.	00:29:08
	Councilmember, Member Commissioner Hernandez here.	00:29:10
	Councilmember Member Commissioner Perez here.	00:29:14
	And Mayor Pro Tem Vice Chair, Vice President Lopez.	00:29:17
	Here and Mayor, Chair and President McQueen Legend here.	00:29:22
	Member Blackwell is absent.	00:29:27
	Great. Thank you.	00:29:29
	We're going to move to public hearing item number 7, the Biennial.	00:29:30
	Budget Fiscal year 20/25/2020 through 2026 and.	00:29:35
	2026 through 2027 Budget Workshop.	00:29:40
	Madam Clerk, do you have proof of publication as required by law?	00:29:44
	And the complete file of reports and exhibits.	00:29:48
	Yes, Madam Mayor.	00:29:51
	Thank you. Will staff please present the report.	00:29:53
	Yes, thank you.	00:29:56
	So today's Budget workshop #1 for this year's two year budget process for fiscal years 2526 and 2627.	00:29:57
	We expect to have a second budget workshop in two weeks, followed by proposing adoption of the budget.	00:30:08
	Two weeks from that point in early June.	00:30:15
	And so.	00:30:18
	We really wanted to start today with really very high level big picture.	00:30:19
	Conversation.	00:30:24
	I think.	00:30:26
	As we go through the budget.	00:30:28
	It'll be clear.	00:30:30
	Why we're sort of starting big picture this year, I think we're sort of in the midst of.	00:30:31
	A couple of changes and we sort of want to.	00:30:36
	Kind of make sure we take the time and.	00:30:40
	Identify that.	00:30:42
	That everybody sort of sees the direction where we are going and then we'll be asking the council for.	00:30:44
	To provide direction from there.	00:30:51
	But we wanted to start.	00:30:53
	Here before we really.	00:30:55
	Dig into the details of the proposed budget at the second workshop.	00:30:57
	And so.	00:31:02
	We wanted to focus on the big picture.	00:31:04
	We wanted to talk about.	00:31:07
	Sort of entering a new phase with our budget.	00:31:10
	As.	00:31:13
	We look at the next two years and understanding of what would be a sustainable budget for the city.	00:31:16
	And what we expect to be.	00:31:23
	Sustainable for the next couple of years.	00:31:25
	And we've had a lot in our city of.	00:31:29
	Sort of peaks and valleys in our history where we've had years where.	00:31:32
	We did new things and revenues might have gone up a lot and then years where that went away and so.	00:31:36
	We wanted to really start by just talking about what what is a normal budget for the city.	00:31:42
	And how do we avoid sort of cycles of spending and then cycles of reduction?	00:31:47
	Moving forward.	00:31:52
	And how do we just have a sustainable, consistent budget?	00:31:53
	So I mentioned earlier that we're here at the start of a second phase, I think.	00:31:58
	It's since the day I started.	00:32:02
	We really were looking to try to get ahead of the cannabis.	00:32:06
	Business.	00:32:10
	Revenue reductions.	00:32:11
	We we knew that that that the reductions were coming. We tried to.	00:32:13
	Adjust our.	00:32:17
	Spending to be sort of back to the pre cannabis levels.	00:32:19
	And I think that we're at a point here today where.	00:32:23
	We essentially had gotten there.	00:32:28
	And we expected that.	00:32:31
	To sort of be a place where we could.	00:32:33
	Stop and maybe take a.	00:32:35
	A breath.	00:32:38
	Kind of prepare for the next challenge.	00:32:41
	I think what we've seen over the last couple of weeks, I know I've sent some updates on some things, but is that the next	00:32:43
	challenge?	00:32:47
	Appears to be here.	00:32:51
	The the new word of the day that we've heard really consistently, we're hearing it from other cities, other agencies.	00:32:53
	I think it's the it's going to be what we hear for the next few months at least, is the phrase economic uncertainty.	00:33:01
	We've had.	00:33:09
	Consultants who work for the city, who advise on things like sales tax and.	00:33:10
	Things like that. Call us and say due to economic uncertainty we are revising your revenue projections down.	00:33:15
	Due to economic uncertainty, we are expecting that these things will cost more.	00:33:21
	So, umm.	00:33:25
	The keyword we want to focus on cuz.	00:33:27
	I think over the last couple weeks we really sort of had to stop and go, OK, we've we've gotten to a more balanced sustainable	00:33:30
	level. We still have.	00:33:34
	Some small things we're trying to work through, but we've gotten to a more sustainable position.	00:33:38
	But now we're hearing this uncertainty word and how?	00:33:42
	Much do we react?	00:33:46
	To that and and what would be overreacting to that and we want to be careful not to do that so.	00:33:47
	So and and the the keyword being uncertain is important because.	00:33:53
	I think what we are going to see this year is that every few months I think we'll have a clearer picture of.	00:33:59
	What's going to happen? And we'll be making more adjustments during the year.	00:34:06
	Versus right now trying to guess at.	00:34:11
	You know, will next year be.	00:34:14
	Positive or negative so?	00:34:16
	So we note that at the end of the slide saying expect to have budget adjustments.	00:34:19
	Throughout the year.	00:34:24
	So sort of going back to that phase one, Phase 2.	00:34:27
	The last two years were focused on trying to.	00:34:31
	Make sure we weren't being too reliant on cannabis revenues.	00:34:35
	Which also I think one of the key points we wanted to highlight there is that the cannabis revenues have.	00:34:38
	Multiple impacts because they also impact sales tax and measure you.	00:34:44
	So losing cannabis revenue?	00:34:48
	Actually impacts.	00:34:51
	Three key revenues.	00:34:53
	And so.	00:34:54
	As when we spoke in September of 2023 and we had identified that as a major concern.	00:34:56
	At that time, it doesn't sound that long ago, but at that time, Oxnard and Ventura still hadn't issued permits to any dispensaries	00:35:02
	within their cities.	00:35:06
	And so we had talked about at that time.	00:35:10
	Let's try to get ahead of it. Let's try to start paring down that spending.	00:35:12
	And I think what happened, what we saw is that they did finally get open, if everybody remembers.	00:35:16
	Oscar and Ventura both had challenges where they had to restart their permitting processes and so.	00:35:22
	So at that time, it was sort of like unclear how long that would take, but they did get their dispensaries open.	00:35:28
	They opened up.	00:35:34
	Many, uh.	00:35:35
	I know that there's a couple still in progress and everything, but I know.	00:35:37
	I had heard at least a dozen.	00:35:40
	And so.	00:35:43
	Um, that impact that we were trying to get in front of happened.	00:35:45
	Quickly.	00:35:49
	And so the hope was that we were going to be proactive, get in front of it.	00:35:50
	And have some time where we.	00:35:54
	Kind of got ready for it, but I.	00:35:57
	It was good that we were proactive, but it ended up happening, you know, right, right, right away, basically.	00:36:00
	So this chart shows.	00:36:07
	Like we talked about.	00:36:10
	Sort of that double effective sales tax and cannabis.	00:36:11
	The fact that when cannabis sales drop, it also impacts sales tax.	00:36:15
	Again, we sat here in September of 2023, which would be.	00:36:19
	Would have been about where that peak was.	00:36:23
	And we said we thought there was a drop coming and so.	00:36:27
	You can see that it did, in fact.	00:36:30
	Occur and it dropped pretty significantly.	00:36:33
	I think at the time we spoke there was maybe some.	00:36:35
	Thought that well it might drop it. It won't drop back to the level that it.	00:36:38
	You know that historically had been because it should be something but.	00:36:42
	You can see from the.	00:36:46
	From the chart that it.	00:36:48
	Really has dropped back to sort of the historic level.	00:36:49
	So, umm.	00:36:52
	Again.	00:36:55
	I think one of the key points I want to highlight is when we look at expenditures in a couple of minutes.	00:36:56
	We have been trying to reduce them.	00:37:01
	But that drop was so.	00:37:03
	Kind of quick and steep that it's a struggle to kind of.	00:37:05
	Even being proactive to really match that level of decline, so.	00:37:10
	So as.	00:37:19
	As discussed, the city took efforts immediately to try to correct.	00:37:21
	And prepare for for that decline.	00:37:27
	If you remember in September of 2023.	00:37:30
	City Council prudently approved postponing.	00:37:34
	Millions of dollars of capital improvement projects that would have.	00:37:37
	Essentially, utilize the city's reserves.	00:37:41
	We took some of those dollars from some of those projects and we put those towards completing Bubbling Springs Park.	00:37:45
	To ensure that we didn't run out of funding for Bubbling Springs Park.	00:37:51
	And then some of those dollars just got programmed into future.	00:37:54
	CIP projects but.	00:37:58
	That was a key thing to avoid.	00:38:00
	Sort of draining the reserves.	00:38:03
	All at once when? When those revenues were at a peak.	00:38:05
	And then there was direction for staff to continue working towards balancing the budget.	00:38:09
	We have have continued to work towards doing that, reducing costs sort of across the board.	00:38:14
	Including just at the last council meeting, we reduced the cost of the broadband master plan by about $5 million.	00:38:19
	And so we've just consistently been looking at everything we do and how we can do it more efficiently.	00:38:25
	Or, umm.	00:38:31
	You know, identify maybe portions of plans and projects that are not priorities at this time.	00:38:34
	So we've consistently worked towards that.	00:38:40
	And then as you can see there, we we show the full time employee count.	00:38:42
	Which shows that.	00:38:48
	Again, when we look at, you know, sort of what was normal.	00:38:50
	Was 22, you know, fiscal year 2223 normal or was?	00:38:53
	You know was normal before that.	00:38:58
	And you can see that that year and going back quickly.	00:39:00
	The years where the cannabis revenue spiked.	00:39:05
	That employees.	00:39:08
	Employee counts also spiked.	00:39:10
	And.	00:39:12
	That's a challenge.	00:39:13
	We'll talk more about.	00:39:15
	Personnel costs in the future, but.	00:39:16
	Once you add an employee, it's an ongoing cost and it's very difficult to then.	00:39:19
	When you see revenues drop.	00:39:26
	Also, drop your expenditures. It's just.	00:39:28
	It's an ongoing cost that doesn't allow you to do that.	00:39:31
	So this chart shows the sales tax in cannabis revenues again.	00:39:36
	Overlaid over it and orange.	00:39:40
	Is actually our full time employee count.	00:39:43
	And so you can see.	00:39:45
	Sort of how it spiked with the cannabis revenue coming in.	00:39:47
	And that from before the cannabis revenue started to decline, we were trying to already start.	00:39:51
	Identify some savings by attrition.	00:39:56
	But.	00:39:58
	It hasn't.	00:40:00
	Declined to the.	00:40:02
	Same degree or with that same.	00:40:05
	Kind of steep decline that the revenue has because ongoing costs are more difficult to.	00:40:09
	To reduce.	00:40:14
	And so that then reflects in this general fund expenditures chart.	00:40:17
	Where you can see sort of similarly there was that spike just like we showed on those other slides in about fiscal year 2223.	00:40:21
	And then?	00:40:28
	As we have been starting to try to taper down, you can see how costs started to come down a little bit.	00:40:30
	But then you can see it's starting to go back up.	00:40:35
	And that reflects the challenge that we have that everything we do is getting more expensive.	00:40:37
	So even cutting.	00:40:43
	Or if we went back to that FTE count, even having fewer employees.	00:40:45
	This year than last.	00:40:49
	Costs still go up.	00:40:51
	Because each one is more expensive.	00:40:53
	So it's.	00:40:55
	Sort of just reflects that challenge of.	00:40:58
	Managing our expenditures, I think.	00:41:02
	A lot of cities are.	00:41:04
	Seeing it right now of like costs have really increased and.	00:41:06
	It's creating this.	00:41:09
	This challenge.	00:41:11
	We've been proactive to sort of try to address it, but you can still see how it's it's it's going to be an ongoing challenge.	00:41:13
	Every year when you look ahead, every year.	00:41:19
	That that.	00:41:22
	Move forward, there's going to be a constant like expenditures rising and we'll have to try to keep them.	00:41:25
	Within revenues?	00:41:32
	And so this is I mentioned personnel earlier.	00:41:35
	For us.	00:41:39
	Just kind of seeing the big picture.	00:41:41
	Personnel costs are about 70% of our general fund budget.	00:41:43
	Personnel costs, which include salaries, benefits are about $20 million of our $27 million budget.	00:41:48
	And so.	00:41:55
	Sort of across like right off the top.	00:41:56
	If you cut everything else and we don't have computers or you know.	00:41:59
	Printers. Or you know anything to work with? Any tools?	00:42:04
	Our costs would be $20 million. So it's there's your kind of hard floor, you know.	00:42:07
	So, umm.	00:42:13
	So if that's the case.	00:42:15
	You don't have much wiggle room when revenues start to drop.	00:42:18
	I would.	00:42:23
	Say that there's some agencies around us who have a very different.	00:42:25
	Personnel cost.	00:42:29
	We'll compare that when we come back for our workshop. We'll compare it to some other cities and.	00:42:33
	And kind of spell that out, but.	00:42:37
	There are other agencies near us that.	00:42:40
	Use a lower percentage of their annual.	00:42:43
	Budget for personnel costs and that so.	00:42:46
	So it's just important to know that because even if you tried to cut everything else, you can't.	00:42:49
	We can't really cut that unless you're looking at.	00:42:53
	Reducing personnel, essentially.	00:42:56
	So so.	00:42:59
	Why is that important? Because it sort of speaks to the challenge that.	00:43:02
	You know, I've heard some people say, well.	00:43:07
	Like we could wait and we can just make severe reductions in the future.	00:43:09
	And but if our personnel costs are $20 million?	00:43:13
	You really can't.	00:43:17
	Reduce that far down South.	00:43:18
	So it's sort of important to just know that that.	00:43:21
	That is that cost and.	00:43:25
	And it makes it difficult. There's not a whole lot of wiggle room.	00:43:27
	So, So what we have been doing though is that as we've had positions become vacant.	00:43:30
	We've looked at reorganizing, restructuring.	00:43:37
	Combining positions.	00:43:40
	Like we, we started off looking at that full time employee count and.	00:43:43
	You can see that just.	00:43:48
	You know, 5-6 years ago we had significantly fewer employees.	00:43:49
	So a lot of it is sort of pairing back to.	00:43:52
	What we used to do.	00:43:56
	And.	00:43:57
	That's not necessarily easy. It's not necessarily what we want to do.	00:43:59
	But it's what we can afford, so we're we're.	00:44:05
	Continuing to do that.	00:44:08
	We've asked our employees to do more.	00:44:10
	Do more with less resources.	00:44:13
	I think.	00:44:16
	I'm proud to say that I think we have done more with less resources over the last couple years.	00:44:16
	But it's also important to note that at some point you can't keep doing more with with less resources, so.	00:44:21
	I think.	00:44:27
	We struggle right now to kind of make to put together a balanced budget. That's one of the challenges we're running into.	00:44:28
	So we have successfully been able to keep.	00:44:35
	To reduce operating expenses.	00:44:38
	Them at a lower level, they're starting to get pushed back up because of the significant on.	00:44:40
	Cost increases across the board.	00:44:47
	I know I mentioned this at the last council meeting, but just one example that.	00:44:50
	That people wouldn't think of.	00:44:54
	On top of the 20 million in personnel costs, we also just have some hard costs like the cost of the city to have insurance.	00:44:56
	And our insurance.	00:45:02
	In the last couple weeks, was increased from.	00:45:04
	We pay about $1.8 million for insurance and it went up.	00:45:07
	I think it ends up being like 12% to about $2,000,000.	00:45:11
	So when we're.	00:45:15
	You know, we're looking at trying to.	00:45:16
	Keep increases from going up more than a couple percent, but if you get a couple of bills like that, it kind of throws off your	00:45:19
	whole.	00:45:22
	Your whole plan.	00:45:26
	So we wanted to show this just to show that we have been really trying to hold the operating budgets.	00:45:30
	Tight and we have really increased it, I think you could see.	00:45:35
	Here and you can see here that.	00:45:40
	There's a few.	00:45:43
	Things I'll point out, but looking first at expenses.	00:45:44
	So when we made those adjustments in September of 2023, we were able to reduce our expenditures down to about 27.15 million.	00:45:48
	In 20/24/25.	00:45:56
	Our operating budget.	00:45:59
	Went up to about 28.7 million.	00:46:00
	And you'll notice that that's a trend that essentially when we set our budget the second year.	00:46:03
	Increases about $1,000,000 because.	00:46:09
	Because of.	00:46:12
	Colas.	00:46:13
	Negotiated increases.	00:46:16
	And so then.	00:46:18
	This year we're looking to try to reduce it back down.	00:46:19
	From that high of 28.75.	00:46:24
	And we're still working on it. But when we put this report together, we were down to 28.17 million.	00:46:27
	Which is actually significantly lower than where we started.	00:46:33
	If you remember in February, we got a presentation from the finance director that there was about a.	00:46:37
	$2.4 million gap at that time and.	00:46:41
	You can see here that when we put this together, we were.	00:46:44
	Down to maybe 4 or $500,000 gap.	00:46:47
	So we're working on it. We're still working on trying to get balanced, but.	00:46:51
	But you can see we.	00:46:55
	Worked on it. We reduced it down because it would have trended up to about 29 and a half million.	00:46:57
	So we reduced it down to about 28.17.	00:47:02
	But then right away you see that the second year because of.	00:47:05
	You know, colas and merit increases and things.	00:47:09
	It already would go back up.	00:47:12
	Like another $1,000,000 again. So.	00:47:14
	That's a battle we're facing because when you look at the revenues.	00:47:16
	The revenues aren't really going up.	00:47:21
	Are not anywhere near as fast as the expenditures are.	00:47:23
	The revenues as you can see here, 27.2 million to 27.5, about a $300,000 increase.	00:47:26
	And then we're looking at 27.7.	00:47:33
	Our 27.8 however year round.	00:47:36
	Next year, so maybe a $300,000 increase and then?	00:47:39
	We did get an update from our sales tax consultants who look at sales tax and measure you and they're saying.	00:47:44
	That.	00:47:50
	Due to economic uncertainty, which will be the word of the day.	00:47:52
	That they're actually suggesting we revise that even down a little bit more now, so.	00:47:55
	So flat revenues and expenditures going up because everything's getting more expensive.	00:48:00
	Just big picture, it means it's going to be tough to stay balanced. You know, each year it's going to be an ongoing battle.	00:48:06
	And that's where we're looking at some things right now to sort of try to figure out how to.	00:48:12
	Structurally changed.	00:48:17
	To not.	00:48:19
	To become more sustainably budgeted.	00:48:23
	So I mentioned earlier.	00:48:26
	Phase one has been working to try to get ahead of that cannabis reduction.	00:48:29
	I think we're about there and we're where the goal was when we started.	00:48:33
	It's just unfortunately we're looking at phase two economic uncertainty.	00:48:38
	Again, keyword is uncertain because.	00:48:43
	It's everybody's basically saying to be conservative because we don't know what's going to happen over the next six months to it.	00:48:46
	To a year.	00:48:51
	And so.	00:48:53
	Like I mentioned a few.	00:48:55
	Of our consultants and things have called us and said be conservative, adjust down.	00:48:57
	But.	00:49:01
	No one's really sure if it's really.	00:49:02
	Gonna be there or not so it.	00:49:05
	I think we're just.	00:49:07
	Sort of getting to the point of realizing that.	00:49:09
	The goal will be have a good plan.	00:49:12
	And then as things change, be prepared to adjust as we need to so.	00:49:15
	So, umm.	00:49:20
	So one of the points of today's item was.	00:49:27
	Initially, uh.	00:49:30
	We did have a bigger.	00:49:31
	Gap we were working on.	00:49:33
	And so we were going to come and explain the adjustments we were making to try to get balanced and then.	00:49:34
	We had identified some options that we wanted some Council direction on.	00:49:40
	We have gotten closer to being balanced. I think that.	00:49:45
	The.	00:49:52
	We we're, we're getting close to being able to bring a budget forward for.	00:49:54
	At the next workshop.	00:50:00
	That is better balanced. I think the big challenge that we'll see again is that second year.	00:50:02
	Because if we're balanced the first year, but then we have.	00:50:06
	$1,000,000 in increases the second year, that's going to be the real challenge.	00:50:09
	So we have a proposal and a sort of a plan of how we're going.	00:50:14
	Going to address that.	00:50:18
	But the item.	00:50:19
	Was on the agenda to allow the Council to give.	00:50:21
	Direction.	00:50:24
	At first the.	00:50:26
	Gap was expected when we put this out a week ago, the gap was bigger than it is now because we've been, we continue to work on it.	00:50:28
	So we're still looking for direction, but I think at this point it's.	00:50:35
	We sort of know what direction we're going on unless council.	00:50:41
	Says to go in a different direction.	00:50:44
	So I'll just note that what we have done already is that top list we.	00:50:46
	Met with each department and we went through 5% reduction exercise.	00:50:53
	I will say that each department.	00:50:58
	We really appreciate that each department took it seriously in each department made reductions.	00:51:01
	And uh.	00:51:05
	I will say on behalf of myself and our finance team.	00:51:07
	We've looked at the departments.	00:51:11
	They're pretty cut to the bone.	00:51:13
	There's not a whole lot left.	00:51:16
	And so.	00:51:18
	That's just important to keep in mind because.	00:51:20
	Next year or the year after?	00:51:23
	The conversation.	00:51:25
	Really won't be, you know, can we do 5% reductions again, there's just.	00:51:27
	There it's we're essentially on year two or three.	00:51:31
	In a row of doing that, and there's really not much.	00:51:34
	Left to cut that doesn't impact service levels so.	00:51:37
	So we appreciate that everybody did it. I think it's a step we needed to take. But again, it's.	00:51:41
	When we get to that second.	00:51:48
	List there there's some things we have to look at doing differently in the future so that we.	00:51:50
	Because that won't be an option moving forward.	00:51:56
	One of the things.	00:52:00
	That we have put in place as a temporary external hiring freeze.	00:52:02
	And I think at this point.	00:52:08
	The.	00:52:13
	Calling it an external hiring freeze because.	00:52:14
	There may be opportunities to sort of reorganize, reorg or restructure and kind of move people into roles that are needed.	00:52:17
	But umm.	00:52:25
	Again, just looking at the.	00:52:26
	How much money we bring in and how much money we spend, there's not really.	00:52:28
	Funding to keep bringing more people on board so.	00:52:32
	So it'll be sort of that.	00:52:36
	Almost puzzle of trying to.	00:52:39
	You know, fit people in the right places to be able to maintain service levels.	00:52:41
	And it's definitely a challenge.	00:52:46
	The we also.	00:52:50
	On September of 2023.	00:52:53
	The City Council took several steps to sort of.	00:52:55
	Get prepared and one of them was creating a CIP reserve fund.	00:52:58
	Because there had never been.	00:53:02
	CIP funding source. So the CIP.	00:53:04
	Projects just.	00:53:07
	Basically added to the deficit every year.	00:53:08
	And so.	00:53:11
	That has been created. It was funded for two years and so we do have some funding.	00:53:12
	In that CIP reserve and using that like starting to use that now.	00:53:17
	You know, we essentially created it for a rainy day.	00:53:22
	And it looks like it might be a rainy day this year.	00:53:24
	So we're proposing starting to use that to.	00:53:27
	Pay for the CIP, which would then would not.	00:53:30
	Which would help balance the budget.	00:53:34
	The key there that we would just highlight is that.	00:53:36
	You know the goal was.	00:53:39
	To try to create that and get a couple years of funding built up to pay for a project.	00:53:40
	We we really only were able to create it and have it in place for a pretty minimal period of time. So it'll help us for a couple	00:53:45
	of years, but it's not the long term solution.	00:53:50
	And then?	00:53:56
	As we've said a few times with that keyword, economic uncertainty.	00:53:58
	The last recommendation would be.	00:54:01
	Just be prepared to make adjustments throughout the year.	00:54:05
	And I will just note there, I did reach out to other cities and some other agencies.	00:54:08
	And everybody's starting to realize.	00:54:13
	That point, at this point, it's.	00:54:16
	We aren't going to be the only ones who sort of.	00:54:18
	Kind of adopt A conservative budget.	00:54:23
	And just know that.	00:54:25
	There's probably going to be changes during the year one one way or the other, so.	00:54:27
	So that's what we put in place that we've worked on over the last couple of weeks even as this agenda has come out.	00:54:33
	Where we've really been able to sort of fine tune the budget and and keep working to balance it and making progress.	00:54:40
	At that time we had said, you know, kind of next options if we couldn't get balance would be.	00:54:47
	The four options noted.	00:54:52
	Which are.	00:54:54
	Additional reductions of.	00:54:55
	Annual or ongoing expenses.	00:54:58
	I think.	00:55:02
	You know that's.	00:55:04
	A simple way to.	00:55:07
	Kind of what we've already done, which is going through the departments and identifying whatever reductions we can that don't	00:55:09
	impact service levels.	00:55:13
	If the gap was.	00:55:17
	Bigger, I'd probably be asking, OK, what service levels are we willing to impact?	00:55:18
	But I think we're.	00:55:24
	When we bring the full list of reductions at the next meeting, we'll talk about, you know, some of them will inevitably have	00:55:26
	impacts.	00:55:29
	But we haven't had to actually eliminate any.	00:55:32
	Like full programs or anything at this point?	00:55:36
	We had a.	00:55:40
	And I think the staff report noted when we wrote it that if we couldn't get balanced.	00:55:41
	You know, we might have to talk about programs, for example.	00:55:45
	I will.	00:55:49
	Uses only as an example of.	00:55:50
	Why we want to avoid this if we can?	00:55:54
	And I think we can at this point this year.	00:55:57
	But eliminating a program?	00:56:01
	Is actually.	00:56:04
	A lot more impactful than maybe it would seem, because.	00:56:06
	As a small city and and essentially with very bare bones.	00:56:09
	Resources over the next couple years once we eliminate a program.	00:56:15
	There's not going to be a plan to get it back anytime soon.	00:56:19
	So we really want to avoid that and.	00:56:23
	And I'll use this as an example just.	00:56:25
	Of for the purposes of.	00:56:28
	Illustrating that point.	00:56:30
	Would be, you know, we do a lifeguard program every summer.	00:56:31
	And the lifeguard program, it costs the city about $250,000.	00:56:34
	And if.	00:56:39
	You know, if it were as simple as well, like maybe we take one year off where we don't have that program.	00:56:40
	That might be something we'd consider.	00:56:46
	But the reality is right now, if you were to cancel something like that.	00:56:49
	Every other agency is desperate for lifeguards. They would take all your lifeguards. You'd lose all your certifications. You	00:56:55
	you'd, you know, lose your whole structure.	00:57:00
	It would really have to be just known like that would. That wouldn't be a short term.	00:57:05
	Solution.	00:57:10
	And so for that reason, we're doing our best and, and I think we're we're on the path to not.	00:57:11
	Have to have those kinds of conversations right now.	00:57:18
	Again, just from.	00:57:23
	You know the couple months ago where we saw a two and a half million dollar gap to now I think we.	00:57:25
	We're on the path towards avoiding.	00:57:30
	Those types of things, but we what we have done though.	00:57:33
	Is look at things like.	00:57:36
	Keeping vacant positions unfilled instead. And umm.	00:57:38
	Reducing travel budgets, training budgets, you know those types of things.	00:57:43
	So still impactful, but.	00:57:47
	But we've tried to avoid.	00:57:50
	For that reason, we've really tried to avoid any impacts to any.	00:57:52
	Like real programs.	00:57:55
	That would be longer term impacts.	00:57:57
	So.	00:58:00
	So we'll keep working on those. The other was.	00:58:02
	We were going to note that.	00:58:05
	You know, one of the goals a couple years ago was we said.	00:58:08
	That when revenues were high because of cannabis, we did not want to adopt A plan that used our reserves.	00:58:11
	You know that the reserves are there for years that are tough where we don't have the revenues.	00:58:18
	And so again a couple weeks ago when we were writing these reports.	00:58:23
	We were looking and saying, well, maybe this is the year that we have to use some of those reserves to get by.	00:58:28
	I think that the plan that we'll be bringing forward in a couple weeks, I don't think we'll be doing that for Year 1.	00:58:34
	But uh.	00:58:40
	That may be a conversation for Year 2.	00:58:41
	And I think.	00:58:45
	The real sort of.	00:58:46
	Conversation for your two will be.	00:58:48
	You know, can we continue to identify savings? Can we continue to have some attrition?	00:58:50
	To get balanced or.	00:58:54
	Do we need to use?	00:58:57
	The reserves we have.	00:58:58
	You know if that doesn't happen, so.	00:59:00
	The other option, the third, which we are working on and Council has approved us to work on already.	00:59:03
	Is revenue increases.	00:59:09
	The key there is you know.	00:59:13
	We're not looking at increasing revenues.	00:59:14
	And this I think was the key is.	00:59:17
	We're not increasing revenues because we were overspending. We've reduced the spending and we're we're spending.	00:59:19
	Pretty minimally.	00:59:26
	But we're looking at increasing revenues because the costs of providing services has gone up and we haven't increased.	00:59:28
	Those costs are those those fees.	00:59:34
	And we had talked recently about.	00:59:37
	Some of the utility funds.	00:59:40
	Having.	00:59:42
	Not been increased for 12 hours. Utility rates not being increased for.	00:59:43
	A decade plus.	00:59:47
	And so just like everything in this presentation is the cost of everything has gone up including those and so.	00:59:49
	That's something we need to look at.	00:59:55
	So the council had approved that we look at those. We're also looking at our master fee schedule in some other areas.	00:59:57
	And so.	01:00:02
	When we looked at our revenues and they were flat, I think.	01:00:04
	Looking at.	01:00:08
	The things that we haven't increased for many years is one way to sort of.	01:00:09
	Stay balanced moving into the future.	01:00:13
	And then the last.	01:00:16
	Which?	01:00:18
	We're going to explore and we're going to bring some items to the council on this, but it's really not an ongoing solution.	01:00:19
	It's a one time solution is exploring options with surplus city property.	01:00:26
	And we actually do have.	01:00:32
	One that we're working on that I think would be.	01:00:34
	A positive all the way around, but it would particularly would be a positive right now if we could.	01:00:39
	Kind of include that as another.	01:00:45
	Way to balance that.	01:00:48
	What we hope is a more temporary gap.	01:00:50
	On that second year of the budget, so.	01:00:53
	So we're looking at all of those things.	01:00:56
	Like I said when we wrote this report.	01:00:58
	We were still.	01:01:01
	Had a significant gap where we were going to really try to talk through some ideas to close it.	01:01:02
	We've made good progress on that.	01:01:08
	I'll leave it with. We're going to be looking at each of these and we have implemented the four up top. We're looking at the four.	01:01:11
	On bottom, it's probably going to be a combination of those four things to get.	01:01:19
	Balanced over the next two years.	01:01:23
	And try to sort of.	01:01:26
	Truly get balanced versus just trying to keep making 5% reductions every year and trying to catch up so.	01:01:31
	So.	01:01:38
	That is where we're at.	01:01:40
	And we will be bringing the second workshop in two weeks where we will go through significant detail.	01:01:43
	Of what's proposed to be.	01:01:51
	Reduced.	01:01:53
	And where that leaves us so?	01:01:55
	But again, the key thing today was we just wanted everybody to really understand that big picture.	01:01:58
	I, you know, it's not unusual when we're having a cut year or reduction year.	01:02:05
	That, umm.	01:02:09
	You know.	01:02:10
	Position that you have to hold vacant or each.	01:02:13
	Cut you make, somebody will say, but that's the one that's really important to me.	01:02:16
	And uh.	01:02:20
	We really wanted to have the conversation big picture because.	01:02:21
	We want everybody to see it. It's not about.	01:02:25
	You know.	01:02:28
	One or two.	01:02:30
	Things where it's not about.	01:02:32
	You know, can we?	01:02:35
	Afford maybe or you know, maybe, you know, twelve $10,000 here isn't a big deal or you know, those kinds of conversations.	01:02:36
	Where we really wanted to show everybody. It's really about structurally changing how we look at the budget.	01:02:43
	And sort of knowing what is a realistic spending level and continually trying to.	01:02:49
	Get us to that point.	01:02:54
	So.	01:02:56
	That is.	01:02:58
	Our workshop for today and we'll have more information in two weeks and we're happy to answer any questions.	01:02:59
	Great. Thank you.	01:03:07
	Are there any questions? We'll just take questions at this time. We'll come back around for comments and discussion. Yes,	01:03:08
	Councilmember Press.	01:03:11
	Mr. City Manager.	01:03:15
	You inherited this problem. When you got here, you came into a situation.	01:03:17
	Where we were having issues and you knew of the issues before when our last budget meeting, before we even started.	01:03:23
	You were concerned about some of the stuff that you were hearing.	01:03:30
	And with the new finance director and everything happening, what things have been done in the finance department?	01:03:34
	Where you have confidence in what is being done and what is you're hearing from them, the numbers that you're hearing.	01:03:41
	To make sure that we don't repeat the mistakes of the past.	01:03:48
	I think that's where.	01:03:51
	We were trying to highlight.	01:03:53
	There's a few charts but.	01:03:56
	This is this is a good one that.	01:03:58
	You know, it's really trying to understand.	01:04:00
	What?	01:04:03
	Normal is and trying to make sure we're staying within that.	01:04:04
	I think.	01:04:07
	One thing I heard from a lot of our employees was that.	01:04:09
	People have sort of seen this cycle of, you know, something good happens and then revenues go up.	01:04:14
	And then they drop.	01:04:20
	And then once you.	01:04:22
	If you add ongoing expenses.	01:04:24
	To a temporary one time revenue.	01:04:27
	You'll be in trouble the next year, you know.	01:04:30
	And.	01:04:32
	So I think that's really the key thing is trying to.	01:04:33
	Really figure out what should we be, what is our spending level, what is our revenue level and trying to stay there. And the	01:04:37
	challenge for us right now is getting balanced and then the next challenge after that will be when revenues increase not.	01:04:44
	Doing the same thing all over again, you know, And not not.	01:04:50
	Not kind of falling back into that cycle.	01:04:54
	So for us, it's really been the key was.	01:04:57
	Really trying to figure out what is that normal level you know because you see the chart go like.	01:05:00
	This and go up and down, but it's like, what's that line where?	01:05:05
	You know it's.	01:05:10
	That we should be aiming for every year.	01:05:12
	To follow that up.	01:05:15
	When you first started, the first thing you tackled was our budget. We had a deficit.	01:05:16
	You worked hard, you got rid of it, and then everything you did was pretty much undone.	01:05:20
	Are you confident in the staff and the finance department? Are you confident in everyone being able to do what they need to do to	01:05:26
	make sure that we.	01:05:30
	Keep on balance our budget in the next few years.	01:05:35
	And.	01:05:37
	Cannot meet the same mistakes.	01:05:38
	Yeah, I think.	01:05:40
	I think.	01:05:43
	The challenge the last couple years was every time we would make reductions.	01:05:44
	The.	01:05:48
	Of what was left would go back up.	01:05:49
	And so it wasn't.	01:05:52
	So much.	01:05:55
	You know that.	01:05:56
	It wasn't things being added back into the budget, but it was that you know when you go.	01:05:59
	When this department has this position and that position is this many dollars and then the next and we got it down to the, you	01:06:04
	know, the dollars that we have.	01:06:09
	And then the next year it goes up 7% because of a, you know, a.	01:06:14
	Negotiated.	01:06:21
	Cost of living increase.	01:06:22
	And so that's been the thing we've been fighting. I think it's the thing we're going to.	01:06:24
	Keep fighting.	01:06:28
	You know, one thing we have to keep in mind is this year.	01:06:30
	Contract negotiations are scheduled, so it's something that.	01:06:34
	All of us are going to have to sort of keep in mind.	01:06:38
	Again, this chart is key to me because it just.	01:06:41
	Looking at the revenue revenues, that's really the key point everybody is the revenues are flat.	01:06:45
	You know, in the past.	01:06:49
	Like we talked about a minute ago.	01:06:51
	You know when there are these spikes and everything?	01:06:53
	Sometimes people go, well, this is the new normal.	01:06:57
	You know, but yeah.	01:06:59
	This is the normal and they really.	01:07:00
	Haven't been increasing.	01:07:03
	With because of economic uncertainty, we don't expect them to increase.	01:07:05
	If something you know happens unexpected and they do increase, great, but then that's where the key point would be. But we should	01:07:09
	still try to stay within what normal levels are if there's this one time change, so.	01:07:14
	So I think.	01:07:20
	I think we.	01:07:23
	Understand that.	01:07:25
	From your question was you know.	01:07:26
	Are we ready to?	01:07:29
	And able to sort of.	01:07:31
	You know, keep that.	01:07:33
	In place and and really.	01:07:35
	Not make that mistake.	01:07:37
	And I think we understand that and we're going to keep working towards it.	01:07:39
	It's just for all the reasons mentioned and this charts the perfect example of just.	01:07:43
	Even if we make no additions next year, the costs go up.	01:07:47
	It's going to be an ongoing challenge.	01:07:51
	Thank you.	01:07:54
	Thank you.	01:07:57
	So going back 25 years.	01:07:59
	Macro view. It seems like every time the city ran into the situation.	01:08:02
	They would sell out a piece of property.	01:08:08
	Build it up.	01:08:10
	Whether it's the hideaway.	01:08:11
	Right across over here, Harbor Walk.	01:08:15
	Ocean Walk.	01:08:17
	I forget all the names but.	01:08:19
	So here we are again.	01:08:21
	We're in the same situation.	01:08:23
	If we were to sell off.	01:08:27
	The nine properties at the hideaway and I've always been uncomfortable with the fact that the city owns 9 units in the hideaway.	01:08:29
	My fear is that yes, we would solve our problem like we've always done in the past.	01:08:38
	But is that something?	01:08:43
	That you would consider.	01:08:46
	And I think.	01:08:50
	I think it would solve our problems just like the city had solved their problems throughout the.	01:08:51
	You know, every, every time they ran into the situation, they do a new development.	01:08:56
	So here we are.	01:08:59
	In this situation again.	01:09:00
	And and if we were to sell, say those nine properties at.	01:09:02
	The Hideaway.	01:09:07
	What changes would we make?	01:09:09
	Structurally.	01:09:12
	We would not.	01:09:14
	Because we're running out of.	01:09:15
	Properties.	01:09:17
	To sell.	01:09:18
	And I could go all the way back to the sale to the port.	01:09:19
	The big area out in front of a.	01:09:23
	Anacapa View Homes.	01:09:27
	You know, right over here there used to be a hospital, whatever, I mean all these developments. So we seem to. So anyways, do you	01:09:30
	feel that if we were to sell.	01:09:34
	Say those 9 units solve our problem today.	01:09:39
	Would we be able to make the necessary changes to?	01:09:42
	Whether these storms, these revenue storms?	01:09:46
	OK, Yeah, the the key, the interesting thing there is actually the thing you said at the end, which is.	01:09:49
	I was gonna say.	01:09:54
	And I said it earlier that.	01:09:55
	Selling property is not a ongoing solution. It's a one time solution to an ongoing.	01:09:57
	Problem. So we have to structurally keep working on.	01:10:03
	Just structurally getting balanced and sustainable.	01:10:07
	If we were to sell a property, it would be essentially.	01:10:11
	Which you ended on there. It would be a way to try to.	01:10:15
	Stay balanced for another year to buy us time to do that, you know which is.	01:10:19
	That's been part of the strategy the last couple years and into the next two years is.	01:10:24
	Trying to.	01:10:29
	Basically.	01:10:32
	Make sure we are limiting what we can.	01:10:33
	To have the time to make structural changes without them being painful.	01:10:37
	And if you look at that chart that showed the FTE count, the full time employee accounts.	01:10:42
	The number of employees have dropped over the last couple of years, but it hasn't.	01:10:47
	Been painful, so to speak. We haven't had to have, you know.	01:10:52
	We haven't had to impact any existing employees. It was vacant positions.	01:10:56
	That's.	01:11:01
	The thought process is.	01:11:03
	You know, instead of having to have.	01:11:05
	And if we hadn't made the reductions we had, we would have been in a spot where we would be having a much more difficult	01:11:08
	conversation, right, because we made those reductions.	01:11:12
	We're able to say now we have the time to make a couple years worth of reduction, you know, changes.	01:11:16
	And we didn't.	01:11:22
	We don't have to overreact because we haven't drained our reserves.	01:11:23
	To go back to your question about.	01:11:27
	The proper.	01:11:30
	What we're one thing is.	01:11:31
	Is you don't. We don't want to be in a spot where we're selling a property because we have to.	01:11:33
	You know, and so that's not what we're looking for at this point.	01:11:37
	What the the the item I mentioned and we're still working on it, but it would actually be something that I think the city.	01:11:41
	Would want to do. It's something the city has chosen to do in the past.	01:11:48
	We're partnering with another agency on on a property that leads to affordable housing essentially.	01:11:52
	So it's not something that we are saying.	01:11:59
	Explore it, because we need the money, you know.	01:12:02
	But the timing right now is helpful where?	01:12:05
	If it's something we want to explore and.	01:12:09
	Right now we could use the money, you know, so.	01:12:13
	But I think to your point.	01:12:16
	You know, we don't want to get to a spot where we're selling the properties that we have.	01:12:18
	Because.	01:12:22
	We need a Band-Aid to survive another year.	01:12:25
	And so we aren't, we aren't at that point.	01:12:27
	The goal would be over the next two years to keep working to.	01:12:31
	Make sure we're still not at that point.	01:12:34
	But umm.	01:12:36
	But the.	01:12:39
	In the mean time though, I think there's a couple of opportunities that we want to explore and bring to the Council.	01:12:40
	That are actually positive win win opportunities.	01:12:46
	So I got one more question just for perspective.	01:12:49
	And I know when you came here, Council Member Perez.	01:12:53
	Reminded me that.	01:12:58
	You know at.	01:12:59
	Prior to you coming in, we're like.	01:13:01
	We're gonna have a skate park, we're gonna have a destination playground. We're gonna do Bubbling Springs. We're gonna do this.	01:13:03
	We're gonna do that. And remember when you came in and said I don't think you guys get afford all this?	01:13:07
	And, umm.	01:13:12
	I remember you saying I'm not even sure if we could.	01:13:15
	Afford bubbling springs.	01:13:18
	Because yes, it's an $8 million grant.	01:13:19
	But we know we're going to come over, and we have.	01:13:22
	Cash flow that we have to dedicate and I think so my question is.	01:13:25
	If we didn't do bubbling springs, we'd still have the same problem, it would just be a little further out because I think what we.	01:13:29
	Dipped in our $4 million.	01:13:37
	For that project.	01:13:40
	Yes, out of the general fund.	01:13:41
	So.	01:13:43
	Yeah. So like, I guess my question is like.	01:13:46
	You know, how do we?	01:13:49
	How do we better prepare?	01:13:50
	For the inevitable.	01:13:52
	Yeah, I think to reiterate.	01:13:54
	The point you made because I do think.	01:13:56
	Some people have the perception like are we in a problem because of bubbling springs And that's not the case.	01:13:58
	The the way we.	01:14:05
	Addressed bubbling springs and the issues there, and there's a couple key points as one is.	01:14:07
	Remember, we had significant grant funding for the project.	01:14:12
	And then yes.	01:14:16
	When one of my first meetings we talked about.	01:14:18
	Postponing other projects.	01:14:22
	Including our ARPA funded projects and taking that funding and putting it towards bubbling spring.	01:14:25
	Bubbling Springs.	01:14:30
	So I think we ended up with something like 8 or $9 million of the project paid for by these other sources.	01:14:32
	And then we talked about, you know.	01:14:39
	Knowing that.	01:14:42
	The the bulk of it is paid for by these. Are we willing to?	01:14:44
	Essentially, you know, fill the gap of $4 million.	01:14:48
	But to your point.	01:14:51
	There were other projects already planned that would have utilized that funding.	01:14:54
	So, umm.	01:14:58
	The conversation.	01:15:00
	Really was Are we willing to postpone?	01:15:03
	All these projects and instead focus on one important one.	01:15:06
	Because if we don't.	01:15:10
	And I think it.	01:15:12
	I think it is true now.	01:15:13
	Two years later.	01:15:16
	Both in dollars and in staff time, we wouldn't have gotten Bubbling Springs done. We would have jeopardized grant funding,	01:15:17
	Millions of dollars of grant funding.	01:15:21
	We would have.	01:15:25
	Probably dipped into our reserves for multiple projects that would have added up to a lot more so.	01:15:27
	So those reductions that.	01:15:33
	Are those that conversation we had, I think.	01:15:35
	Put us in the position now where we got that project done. We didn't drain the reserves.	01:15:38
	And it's counterintuitive because I've heard a few people say, well, if we hadn't done bubbling springs, maybe we'd be fine.	01:15:43
	If we had stuck with sort of plan A we, I think we would have been a much worse position and.	01:15:48
	Having lost grant funding and having.	01:15:53
	Spent more money on design for projects that we can't afford to complete so.	01:15:56
	So, uh.	01:16:01
	That was a good outcome. We're sitting here today that projects done. It's the biggest project that the city has accomplished in	01:16:02
	many, many years.	01:16:05
	And I think it brings value to the community, so.	01:16:09
	So that's all positive, but.	01:16:12
	The the big challenge is moving forward.	01:16:14
	Like I said, we've identified we're able to grab about two years of CIP funding for the next couple years, which?	01:16:18
	Is actually the most CIP funding we've had.	01:16:25
	By creating that CIP reserve in September as well.	01:16:27
	September 2023.	01:16:31
	But there's a list of.	01:16:33
	Millions of dollars of projects or deferred maintenance or things like that, so.	01:16:35
	It's something we still have to keep an eye on.	01:16:40
	This year when we bring the budget forward.	01:16:44
	There's going to be.	01:16:47
	You know, that's one of the issues we will raise is.	01:16:49
	One of the ways we're going to stay balanced is by deferring things and like.	01:16:51
	That gets us by for a year, but deferred maintenance becomes a problem on its own right, and projects in and of themselves bring.	01:16:56
	Ftes whether partial or full fully, but when you have.	01:17:04
	Big projects that are coming along that and then you are putting more pressure on the system because you have to maintain it and	01:17:09
	add personnel.	01:17:12
	Yep, thank you. Let's go ahead and move on to Councilmember Hernandez. Thank you. Thank you Mr. City Manager and finance staff for	01:17:16
	the good work and.	01:17:20
	It's kind of.	01:17:24
	Encouraging even though the.	01:17:25
	Not, you know, we are concerned here.	01:17:28
	That you're already making closing that gap between the time the staff report went out till now, and I imagine you'll get closer	01:17:30
	to it by the 17th when we do the workshop. We're making good progress. Yeah, that's great.	01:17:36
	I did send you a list of questions I.	01:17:43
	I think you answered some of them and I do anticipate that the others will probably get answered at the at the workshop because	01:17:46
	they were kind of.	01:17:50
	Digging into some of the details here, but I do have a question about.	01:17:54
	Just I'm assuming that the revenues that we're looking at here for the general fund, those include property taxes.	01:17:59
	So these, yes, these include all general fund revenues.	01:18:07
	And our property tax.	01:18:11
	Revenue is just as flat.	01:18:13
	I would call it flat. I think it increases a couple 100. And so when you see here that the revenues increase a couple 100,000 a	01:18:16
	year, I think most of that is the property tax.	01:18:22
	Everything else is.	01:18:28
	Very flat. The property tax, That's still fairly flat.	01:18:30
	But.	01:18:33
	But that accounts for the whatever little increase there is. OK.	01:18:34
	I would like to hear you talk about more about what we.	01:18:40
	Will be doing during the workshop but before.	01:18:43
	Before we do that.	01:18:47
	Can you tell me will you have?	01:18:49
	Are you making any plans to implement the?	01:18:51
	Economic development plan.	01:18:53
	We can start looking at.	01:18:55
	Long term.	01:18:57
	Maybe short term, long term strategies, Yeah, yeah. So we are working on a couple elements. One of the challenges that we'll talk	01:18:58
	about in the second workshop is.	01:19:03
	With that plan and some other plans.	01:19:08
	It's one of those things where you know you have to spend money to make money and you have to have money to spend money.	01:19:11
	So, umm.	01:19:17
	I think what we're looking at so far right now is we're trying to find the low cost.	01:19:18
	Items that we can implement.	01:19:23
	And kind of get the best bang for our buck.	01:19:25
	But there are some.	01:19:29
	There's some projects in there that.	01:19:31
	You know, when we have the discussion, we're gonna have to look at which ones we can afford to do now and which ones are gonna	01:19:33
	have to wait.	01:19:36
	A little bit, umm.	01:19:40
	So.	01:19:41
	Yeah, I was about to get into detail, but I'll save the detail for the next.	01:19:44
	Meeting but.	01:19:48
	We are working on.	01:19:49
	Some low cost items on that plan.	01:19:51
	Thank you.	01:19:54
	Great. Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem.	01:19:55
	Yes, so.	01:19:56
	70% of our.	01:19:58
	Expenses derived from manpower.	01:19:59
	And then you, you stated that the 30% remainder which is $7,000,000 looks like?	01:20:02
	We really can't.	01:20:07
	You're down to the bare minimum.	01:20:08
	It's not gonna.	01:20:11
	We can't cut our way out of this.	01:20:12
	So from 2017 to.	01:20:14
	2024-2025.	01:20:18
	We went from 112 employees, spiked at 143 down to 132.	01:20:21
	So it looks like we've gained 20 employees since then.	01:20:27
	That that's currently so.	01:20:31
	What departments grew and what services didn't increase?	01:20:34
	I think you could pretty much look across the board and see where.	01:20:38
	Sort of across departments there was growth.	01:20:44
	I don't think it was.	01:20:47
	You know, kind of isolated to one location. I think that there was, it really was sort of across the board.	01:20:49
	I think umm uh.	01:20:56
	To sort of go to your.	01:20:58
	Question there is going back to the FTE charts.	01:21:00
	Did I pass it already?	01:21:06
	OK, good. Thank you.	01:21:11
	So going back to your FTE chart, so one of the things we're looking at doing.	01:21:12
	One of the questions for us.	01:21:16
	Is uh.	01:21:18
	Sort of what's implied in your question is, is 130 now is that, is that the minimum?	01:21:20
	You know, staffing level that we would have and we know we've had a lower number than that in the past.	01:21:26
	I do think that the true.	01:21:34
	Number is somewhere in between and.	01:21:37
	The reason I would say that is because.	01:21:39
	The city did pass Measure U in that period.	01:21:42
	2 So Measure U is intended to sort of help.	01:21:46
	You know, maintain service levels.	01:21:50
	And so I think that the numbers in between and that's that is why.	01:21:52
	That approach we've talked about of.	01:21:56
	Sort of attrition.	01:21:58
	Managing vacancies, which is what we've used the last couple years to start.	01:22:01
	Bringing that number back down.	01:22:05
	Is part of the plan moving into the future? Because I do think.	01:22:08
	That.	01:22:13
	Quite simply, can we afford?	01:22:16
	Two years from now to still have.	01:22:19
	You know, 131 1/2.	01:22:20
	Employees.	01:22:22
	It looks.	01:22:24
	Difficult to do that so.	01:22:26
	Part of the workshop can we get?	01:22:27
	The breakdown between.	01:22:30
	In 2017 to 20/24/25.	01:22:32
	By department so we can see where the manpower grew.	01:22:37
	Just so because it seems like.	01:22:40
	It seems.	01:22:41
	I can provide that to the.	01:22:44
	Council, I think we could provide that. I only hesitated because sometimes personnel stuff we can't provide, but I think we could	01:22:46
	at least provide count by department.	01:22:50
	But I think that's.	01:22:55
	Sort of part of the answer.	01:22:56
	Moving forward and I think.	01:22:59
	To go back.	01:23:01
	Though the positive thing is by.	01:23:02
	Being proactive by already managing some of these costs and already starting to taper down.	01:23:05
	We have.	01:23:09
	The time and the reserves to kind of keep doing it in that.	01:23:10
	Less painful way of attrition and not having to have other discussions so.	01:23:14
	So that's that's why we said that's part of our plan is that, you know, managing vacancies.	01:23:19
	But we can provide. I'll make a note.	01:23:24
	To provide a position count by department.	01:23:27
	OK. So my next question is since cannabis is declining.	01:23:30
	With.	01:23:35
	Oxnard Ventura I know we have a cannabis.	01:23:37
	In our next.	01:23:41
	Go around but.	01:23:43
	This is pertains to.	01:23:44
	The declining sales.	01:23:46
	With no.	01:23:48
	What are our neighboring cities doing successfully?	01:23:49
	That they're growing and we're.	01:23:53
	We're declining.	01:23:56
	Or since they're opening, what?	01:23:57
	I mean they can't, I can't assume they took all ourselves. I know competition is probably.	01:24:00
	Is being very competitive? Are they driving our?	01:24:07
	Our cannabis stores out of business.	01:24:11
	Like, you know, survival of the fittest.	01:24:14
	All right. So do we have a good snapshot? Are we competitive with our neighboring cities? I think the biggest reason we're not	01:24:16
	competitive is unfortunately something we can't change. It's they're right off the freeway.	01:24:22
	And we're not.	01:24:28
	And I think.	01:24:29
	All else being equal.	01:24:31
	You know, I've talked to some people about this, but.	01:24:33
	If you come from the north and you get off the freeway to to go to a dispensary, you're gonna pass one right off the freeway. And	01:24:36
	are you gonna come like, are you gonna drive past that and, you know, come the extra 15 minutes to Port Hueneme?	01:24:42
	And same thing coming from the other direction. When you get off the freeway, there's another one right there and.	01:24:49
	And, you know, they're right there off the freeway.	01:24:54
	And.	01:24:58
	The one in Oxnard, I'll try not to use names, but the one in Oxnard closest to Camarillo, that anybody from coming from Camarillo	01:25:00
	would get off and pass right by.	01:25:05
	They have a Winnie Me location but.	01:25:10
	They're right off the freeway now, and I think you're starting to see that, you know, shift.	01:25:13
	So I think all else being equal, if we did everything else the same.	01:25:18
	I think they still have that advantage.	01:25:23
	And I actually would highlight with what we've heard from a lot of dispensaries is.	01:25:25
	Oxnard's actually charging them a lot more because they had to.	01:25:30
	I don't remember if they officially put out the number, but the number we're hearing from people is that they essentially have to	01:25:35
	pay 250 grand for the permit to get started.	01:25:39
	And even with that.	01:25:44
	They know they want that location right off the freeway.	01:25:45
	They could stay in Winimi and not have to pay that, but it's.	01:25:48
	You know it's worth that trade off for them so.	01:25:52
	So we've heard that from some of our dispense, well several of our dispensaries, you know that.	01:25:55
	That was.	01:26:01
	Even with that.	01:26:02
	Fee that we don't have.	01:26:03
	They're still moving forward with opening those locations, so.	01:26:05
	So I just think that the biggest competitive advantage they have is location.	01:26:09
	And.	01:26:13
	Unfortunately, that's the one thing we can't change.	01:26:15
	We do actually though, and I know you and I.	01:26:18
	Went back and forth on this.	01:26:21
	Earlier today, but.	01:26:23
	We do charge a lower.	01:26:24
	Rate, uh.	01:26:26
	Than Oxnard.	01:26:27
	And Ventura do.	01:26:28
	On dispensaries.	01:26:31
	Which is most of our businesses, so.	01:26:34
	So we are still trying to be competitive. We focused on it.	01:26:37
	And then a couple months ago.	01:26:41
	There was an article in the paper about a lot of.	01:26:43
	Dispensaries lowering their their fees.	01:26:46
	But they were at.	01:26:49
	9 or 10% and so they were lowering to 5 or 6% and we've been at 5%.	01:26:51
	Amongst the lower ones since we started.	01:26:56
	So I think.	01:26:59
	In dispensaries at least you know, maybe some of the other fees, maybe if we had adjusted earlier, maybe we would have gotten some	01:27:02
	of those businesses in, but.	01:27:05
	I don't think so because even other cities have really struggled to get those businesses in, like the cultivation.	01:27:09
	That is just very difficult in.	01:27:15
	Southern California manufacturing and cultivation is just very difficult because of the costs.	01:27:18
	But for us, that's the challenge. And so just round numbers, so everybody knows. So our cannabis revenue went from about 3 million	01:27:23
	at its peak.	01:27:28
	In a year.	01:27:32
	Three years ago.	01:27:34
	And has come all the way down to about 1,000,000 so.	01:27:35
	I think even.	01:27:39
	Projections.	01:27:40
	From the sales tax consultants.	01:27:41
	Two years ago was that it would settle at like 1.6 million like they thought maybe cut in half.	01:27:43
	But it's really been cut into a third.	01:27:49
	So.	01:27:51
	Yeah, that one.	01:27:54
	Yeah. And so this graph.	01:27:56
	Shows sales tax and cannabis.	01:27:59
	And so.	01:28:02
	That's why it doesn't just say 3 million to 1,000,000, but if it was just cannabis it would show 3 million to 1,000,000.	01:28:04
	OK, great. Thank you.	01:28:12
	Any other?	01:28:14
	Questions before we move on.	01:28:15
	OK, great. So we'll now open the public hearing. It's open and it is now 756.	01:28:16
	Madam Clerk, are there any public comments?	01:28:24
	We have to written public comment.	01:28:27
	The first one is from Jessica Balka.	01:28:31
	Good evening council members, community members and city staff. I am a port winning me resident who genuinely loves this	01:28:34
	community.	01:28:37
	I've I've seen this city come together through hard times. I want to thank staff for working hard to try to stabilize the budget	01:28:41
	and protect the services residents depend on.	01:28:46
	I would like to bring up honest concerns about something that's not working.	01:28:52
	The Police Department.	01:28:55
	The city has serious issues with accountability, transparency and basic responsiveness that get ignored.	01:28:57
	Adding a new police dog would require taking an officer off the streets.	01:29:03
	And is the exact opposite of what this community needs right now.	01:29:07
	Everyone loves dogs but long term getting another canine which requires a handler.	01:29:11
	Officer, a working vehicle, additional and ongoing officer training, and a host of other equipment is not a cost effective	01:29:16
	solution to a problem that cannot be solved by ignoring the real problems and allowing the department to crowd fund.	01:29:22
	To obtain a drug dog.	01:29:29
	We should ask ourselves if the canine the Police Department already has is actually working for the community.	01:29:31
	I would say it is not.	01:29:37
	I love dogs as much as the next person, but another canine for the Police Department is not the answer.	01:29:39
	It will not help the budget issues the city has.	01:29:44
	While some are being told to tighten belts, council events embrace for more cuts.	01:29:47
	Somehow there's still room in the budget for a canine program that doesn't address our actual public safety concerns.	01:29:52
	And puts our community at more risk.	01:29:58
	Taking officers off the streets to even think of this as a slap in the face to residents who are already frustrated.	01:30:00
	With how this department operates.	01:30:06
	We need more officers actually patrolling our streets and officers who genuinely engage with the community.	01:30:08
	Not performative programs that drain resources and remove personnel from patrol.	01:30:14
	It is already bad enough.	01:30:19
	I urge you, don't approve a police dog at the cost of real public safety. Focus on restoring trust, not appearances.	01:30:21
	Thank you, Jessica Baca.	01:30:27
	The next one is from Abraham Baca.	01:30:30
	Good evening, City Council members, community members and city staff. I want to acknowledge the city's proactive efforts to	01:30:33
	stabilize our budget amid declining revenues and growing economic uncertainty.	01:30:38
	The actions taken have hopefully helped preserve service levels and avoid more painful cuts.	01:30:44
	As we look to the 20/25/26 and 20/26/27 budgets.	01:30:50
	I support the continued focus on sustainability, protecting the general fund, and minimizing impacts to core services our	01:30:56
	residents rely on.	01:31:00
	However, I must express concern about one specific proposal.	01:31:04
	The addition of a new police dog.	01:31:07
	Which would require removing a sworn officer from patrol.	01:31:09
	At a time when we are facing projected deficits, increased service demands and staffing constraints, we cannot afford to shift	01:31:13
	critical frontline resources.	01:31:17
	Public safety is a top priority, but it must be approached strategically.	01:31:22
	Removing an officer from our streets to fund a canine program does not align with our fiscal reality or the broader community	01:31:26
	safety needs.	01:31:30
	I urge council to direct staff to prioritize efficient, people focused investments and to reconsider any additions to the Police	01:31:34
	Department that reduce boots on the ground.	01:31:39
	Let's ensure every dollar serves the highest needs, especially during this critical planning period.	01:31:44
	Thank you.	01:31:48
	And that concludes public comment.	01:31:50
	Mayor, if I could just.	01:31:51
	Provide some information to the Council and.	01:31:53
	To the public comments so.	01:31:57
	I know we didn't get into detail, so I didn't.	01:32:00
	Speak to what?	01:32:03
	The detailed items that are in the budget, but I just did just want to note that.	01:32:04
	There isn't a second canine.	01:32:10
	Officer included in the.	01:32:13
	Budget that we're bringing forward in two weeks.	01:32:15
	There is not. I don't know if that was clear when I said it.	01:32:18
	There is not that.	01:32:21
	2nd canine unit.	01:32:23
	I understand the perspective I think.	01:32:26
	We have a similar perspective that.	01:32:30
	We need to.	01:32:32
	Sort of make sure that our budget is sustainable and that we're taking care of priorities before we talk about any additions, you	01:32:34
	know, across the board.	01:32:37
	So we'll bring that budget forward and we'll explain that, but it's not in the budget that's being proposed.	01:32:41
	And.	01:32:48
	We'll have more information on that.	01:32:50
	The detailed meeting in two weeks.	01:32:52
	Great. Thank you.	01:32:55
	So I will now close the public.	01:32:56
	Sorry, comment section of the hearing.	01:33:01
	It is now 801.	01:33:04
	We have before us a recommendation to direct staff to incorporate any direction and return with the second budget workshop.	01:33:07
	On May 19, 2025.	01:33:15
	Is there anything that you all want to add?	01:33:18
	Any direction?	01:33:22
	It's just going to be during the meeting. We'll get to that.	01:33:27
	At the end of today, when we talk about the next agenda, we're going to keep that agenda light so we can have like a.	01:33:31
	Workshop within the regular time 6:30.	01:33:36
	Great. Thank you, Mike. Mike and my comment was about is there any other direction that the Council would like to give the staff	01:33:39
	in preparation for?	01:33:42
	The next workshop.	01:33:46
	If not, if their motion is there, can I get a motion in a second? Sorry.	01:33:49
	I move to approve the recommendations of stated in the staff report.	01:33:55
	2nd.	01:34:00
	Thank you.	01:34:02
	Any discussion, Councilmember Gama?	01:34:03
	So this is complicated stuff and as we digest it our.	01:34:06
	Can we?	01:34:10
	Send questions to City Manager to be addressed at the May 19th Budget Workshop.	01:34:11
	Yes. Umm.	01:34:17
	We are planning to go pretty in depth. There was a question earlier.	01:34:19
	I think somebody had asked about.	01:34:22
	You know what will be presented at that meeting.	01:34:24
	We were planning.	01:34:26
	It is very difficult to really show everything, but what we're planning to do is bring sort of what was reduced from the budget	01:34:28
	so.	01:34:32
	You know, in a Goodyear, you start with your budget, you talk about what's being added.	01:34:36
	Think of not that it's a bad year, we're just trying to.	01:34:40
	You know, look ahead and be careful. So we're going to bring.	01:34:43
	We're going to start with.	01:34:46
	These things are being reduced from the budget.	01:34:48
	And then have that conversation with Council of.	01:34:50
	You know, umm.	01:34:53
	Whether to make any changes or not.	01:34:55
	So, so if there's questions about those, then we can make sure that we're.	01:34:58
	We plan to explain all those, but we you can send them and we'll make sure we.	01:35:02
	Are prepared for that so.	01:35:06
	Thank you. If there's nothing else, no comments discussion, Madam Clerk, please take roll call.	01:35:09
	Member Brown.	01:35:14
	Do you approve the recommendation?	01:35:19
	OK.	01:35:22
	Councilmember, Member. Commissioner Gama.	01:35:24
	Yes.	01:35:28
	Councilmember, Member. Commissioner Hernandez.	01:35:29
	Council member, member Commissioner Perez, Mayor Pro Tem. Vice Chair Vice President Lopez and Mayor Chair President McLean.	01:35:32
	Yes. Motion passes unanimously with Member Blackwell absent.	01:35:41
	Great. Thank you. This brings us to the end of the special joint meeting. We will now reconvene to the City Council regular	01:35:46
	meeting.	01:35:50
	The time is now 8.	01:35:53
	04.	01:35:55
	Mr. Brown.	01:35:56
	Thank you.	01:36:01
	OK. All right. So we'll now move to the consent calendar.	01:36:05
	For the City Council meeting.	01:36:11
	The consent calendar have been acted in one motion unless a council member would like to request.	01:36:14
	Item be pulled.	01:36:20
	Any items to be pulled?	01:36:22
	If not, can I get a motion and a second move to approve the consent agenda?	01:36:24
	2nd.	01:36:28
	All in favor.	01:36:31
	Aye, all opposed.	01:36:32
	Hearing none, motion passes unanimously.	01:36:35
	Great. We'll move on to item number 12A, public hearing. This is the annual development agreement compliance review for Emeril.	01:36:38
	Perspective Cooperative.	01:36:47
	Incorporated and finding.	01:36:51
	Of exemption from sequa.	01:36:53
	Madam Clerk, do you have proof of publication as required by law and a complete file of reports and exhibits? Yes, Madam Mayor.	01:36:56
	Thank you. Will staff please present.	01:37:04
	The report.	01:37:07
	Yes, and.	01:37:10
	Community and Economic Development Director Tony Stewart will.	01:37:11
	Take us through a presentation.	01:37:14
	Hey, thank you and good evening, Mayor. Mayor Pro Tem.	01:37:19
	Council staff and audience.	01:37:23
	This is.	01:37:25
	Development agreement Annual review for Emerald perspective is.	01:37:27
	You just mentioned.	01:37:32
	Back in June of last year, the City Council.	01:37:34
	Approved a series of.	01:37:38
	Amendments to our existing 18 development agreements with our cannabis businesses.	01:37:40
	And this is the first of the annual reviews since that June meeting.	01:37:46
	But.	01:37:53
	Further back, we've been discussing cannabis quite a bit in the last item.	01:37:54
	And back in 2016, the City Council, because they were facing a budget crisis at the time.	01:37:59
	Opted to allow cannabis businesses to operate in the city as a source of revenue.	01:38:06
	And since the city does not have a cannabis tax in place.	01:38:11
	The development agreement was the tool that the.	01:38:15
	Council at the time.	01:38:18
	Established to ensure that the various cannabis businesses here in the city.	01:38:21
	Would pay their required obligated payments towards the City General Fund or the contractual payment as it's called.	01:38:26
	The development agreements also include remedies that should the applicant default.	01:38:34
	And such a default would be for instance.	01:38:39
	If the annual amount of the contractual payment dropped by 50% or more of a three-year average.	01:38:42
	If any conditions of the related conditional use permits for the operation of each business were violated.	01:38:49
	Or if there was a continuing or repetitive breach of the city's ordinances.	01:38:56
	And as a result of the default, the city could terminate the development agreement, modify it, or exercise a similar remedy.	01:39:01
	And as stated in each staff report that was presented to the City Council for consideration of a cannabis a new cannabis	01:39:10
	businesses application.	01:39:14
	The respective development agreements specifically required applicants to agree to the following.	01:39:20
	Pay that contractual payment of 5% for dispensaries in this case of their annual gross revenues on a regular basis and this is	01:39:25
	less taxes paid such as?	01:39:30
	Sales tax or now excise taxes as we discussed back in June of last year.	01:39:36
	That they would maintain all books and records accurately and pay for annual audits.	01:39:41
	And it's down from 2 audits down to 1 audit annually. And this was the cost savings, a measure to help our businesses out.	01:39:46
	And this was per our June.	01:39:53
	24 amendments to the development agreements.	01:39:55
	And that they'd obtain a certificate of occupancy to.	01:39:59
	Open their businesses with one year of effective date of the agreement being put into place.	01:40:02
	And in exchange for these provisions, the city would agree that through the development agreements.	01:40:08
	That the development rights in place at the time that the agreements were approved would be vested with the exception of any non	01:40:14
	conflicting laws or regulations.	01:40:18
	And so again, the public benefits summary, the reason why the city was allowing these businesses to operate in here in the 1st	01:40:23
	place would be again to open the business with one year.	01:40:30
	Of the effective date of the agreement.	01:40:37
	Provide the long term source of employment opportunities and assisting the revitalization of the economic development base of this	01:40:40
	Community.	01:40:44
	Provide the city directly with additional revenue in the form of an increase in certain taxes, such as sales taxes and whatnot.	01:40:49
	Provide additional monies for the general funding of this that 5% payment.	01:40:56
	And provide certain community benefits, which are generally 1% of the annual gross revenues that are put towards.	01:41:01
	Organizations and events and whatnot here in the community.	01:41:09
	So with regard to Emerald Perspective, it is the dispensary. It's located at 100 W Pleasant Valley Rd. They've been in business	01:41:14
	since April of 2019 and while they have been in compliance with past development agreement reviews.	01:41:21
	The city is currently out of compliance with their development agreement for the following.	01:41:28
	First of all, the lack of payment of 5% in gross revenues for the city's general fund, and this was for the months of November and	01:41:33
	December 2023, as well as from April 24.	01:41:38
	To present.	01:41:43
	Terms and condition #12 of their development agreement states that the City requires this payment.	01:41:45
	On a city on a regular basis.	01:41:52
	And again, the primary purpose for the city to require this payment is for allowing the cannabis businesses to operate.	01:41:55
	Basically, is a source of revenue for the general fund.	01:42:03
	And the lack of this payment to the city basically has a negative impact on our finances, as we've just discussed.	01:42:05
	And the ability to provide, all right, excuse me, provide services to ensure the health and safety of the public.	01:42:12
	Since December 23, staff has made over two dozen attempts to reach out to Emerald Prospective with regard to the amount owed to	01:42:19
	the city.	01:42:24
	Some of these the finance department was successful in at least talking to somebody, but we're told that.	01:42:30
	The business either claimed that they owed that they were owed money.	01:42:37
	To the city.	01:42:41
	And or they were being overcharged.	01:42:42
	Or they ignored Staffs outreach altogether.	01:42:45
	What documentation was provided to the city by the business was unsubstantiated, and requests from staff for the developer to	01:42:48
	provide proper documentation and backup data will also ignore it.	01:42:54
	Second, due to the lack of the regular payments and the affiliated paperwork.	01:43:01
	To prove otherwise.	01:43:07
	Staff cannot determine whether or not the developer has been providing the city directly with additional revenue from increased	01:43:08
	taxes, and further, the developer has not paid for this year's annual business license tax.	01:43:13
	I say this year's, I mean 2024 and now we're coming up with 2025 shortly.	01:43:19
	Terms and conditions #8 of the Development Agreement.	01:43:24
	Requires compliance with all existing development regulations in place at the time the agreement becomes effective.	01:43:27
	Our Municipal code sections 5003C and 5016 require that all businesses operating in the city pay their business license tax and	01:43:34
	have a business license in place.	01:43:39
	Again, this business is not at this time.	01:43:45
	Where there cannot be determined if the revenue is being generated in the form of additional taxes that is required by the	01:43:48
	agreement.	01:43:51
	Public benefits summary are occurring at this time.	01:43:55
	Three, the developer is out of compliance with several of the conditional use permits. Conditions of approval. The conditional Use	01:44:01
	permit, PHCU 844 was approved by the City Council to allow the operation of the dispensary back in April of 2018.	01:44:08
	Specifically, conditions 1431 and 40 require the developer to comply with their project application and what was contained within	01:44:16
	it.	01:44:20
	As well as the plans.	01:44:24
	That they would comply with their certificate of approval as well as the development agreement that employees where visible	01:44:27
	identification cards.	01:44:31
	And that the developer will agree to the annual business reviews by city staff and outside consultant HDL, respectively.	01:44:35
	HDL performs annual inspections of all of our businesses, generally in October that occurred with this year in October with	01:44:43
	Emerald Perspective and HDL when they were there.	01:44:48
	Found several violations of either.	01:44:54
	City or and or state law.	01:44:57
	Such as the business not having the required plans and documents on hand for the inspector to review.	01:45:00
	And the employees were not wearing proper identification.	01:45:06
	Staff follows up with the letters to the businesses, whether to let them know that they are in compliance or if there are	01:45:10
	corrections that are needed.	01:45:14
	When staff reached out with the letter to the developer, we asked that the items all be corrected by November 30th.	01:45:19
	To date, the developer has not responded to the letter nor verified that any of these corrections have been made. So again, the	01:45:27
	business is in violation of their CP.	01:45:32
	And Terms and conditions #17 of the Development Agreement notes that this is.	01:45:37
	Consideration of default with their development agreement.	01:45:43
	And finally, as I mentioned earlier.	01:45:48
	In addition to not paying for the.	01:45:50
	The contractual payment, business license tax. The developer is also not paid for the past audit or inspection.	01:45:54
	And again, terms and condition #17 notes the developer shall be in default if not in compliance with the CP with regard to.	01:46:00
	Condition #40 specifically.	01:46:09
	And this chart basically shows a breakdown of what is currently owed to the city by Emerald Perspective.	01:46:12
	The required 5% payment to the General fund, along with interest, totals $76,217.00, roughly.	01:46:20
	The remaining balance from the previous audit, not to mention the one current coming up soon, but the previous one is over $7000.	01:46:29
	The 2024 compliance inspection, which we just discussed has not been paid for and that's $12150.	01:46:37
	Balance of penalties for late payments from October to December 2022 / 3000 dollars.	01:46:45
	The past due business license tax is $16142 roughly.	01:46:52
	For a total of $89,154.69.	01:46:56
	And as of today, with this development agreement review, there's another $16180 for that fee.	01:47:01
	Which brings the total ode to the city of $90,834.69. And this is all general fund revenue.	01:47:09
	Or potential general fund revenue, I should say.	01:47:16
	So consequently, per the terms and conditions #11 of the development agreement, the City Council may opt to.	01:47:19
	One of several alternatives, the first one here.	01:47:26
	Would be to demand full payment of all monies owed to the city.	01:47:30
	By a certain date, IE 30 days from today.	01:47:33
	And if not paid in full within this period, revoke the development the Developers Development Agreement, subject to the procedures	01:47:37
	set forth in the Development Agreement and the City's adopted requirements and procedures.	01:47:42
	And should the City Council so choose this option, this would also begin the process of revoking the business's conditional use	01:47:48
	permit.	01:47:51
	I'll keep in mind they don't have a business license on file right now, so that would not be subject to revocation because of Bebo	01:47:55
	point.	01:47:59
	Alternatively, the City Council may allow a one time payment plan with fixed terms and conditions.	01:48:05
	Requiring a payment of not less than $12,000 immediately.	01:48:11
	That would be to cover all of the outstanding annual audit and inspection development, review and review.	01:48:15
	Bees as well as the business tax.	01:48:21
	Within 30 days of this hearing, with the remainder of the payments to be completed within no greater than six months.	01:48:24
	The agreement for the payment plan must then be entered into within 30 days of this hearing.	01:48:30
	And the payment plan would be based on the unaudited gross receipts, so basically what we know of today.	01:48:35
	Upon completion of the financial audit that will be coming up within the next few months here.	01:48:41
	And that will be for all of our cities here.	01:48:46
	All of our businesses in the city, I should say.	01:48:48
	A true up adjustment will be calculated based on the audit results. If there are additional revenues out of the city, the amount	01:48:52
	of additional revenues will then be due within 30 days of a completion.	01:48:57
	Of the audit.	01:49:02
	And these mounts will not be included in the payment plan.	01:49:03
	The business would also be able to continue to operate.	01:49:06
	Subject to complying with all terms and conditions of that payment plan.	01:49:09
	Or the City Council may take other additional action as we desired.	01:49:13
	Since, the developer has repeatedly ignored staff's request to produce the information.	01:49:20
	Necessary to validate their claims of how much is owed to the city.	01:49:25
	Ignored Staffs outreach all together with regard to paying for all of the fees that I've discussed previously.	01:49:29
	Since the city has not, excuse me, since the developer also has not paid the required annual business license tax.	01:49:37
	Is also operating in violation of the conditional use permit.	01:49:44
	Which is a violation of the development agreement. At this time, it is recommended that you, the City Council, find the Emerald	01:49:47
	Perspective is in violation of their development agreement and exercise option one.	01:49:53
	Which is to demand a full payment within 30 days.	01:49:58
	Or move forward with.	01:50:02
	Starting revocation of the development agreement and conditional use permit.	01:50:05
	That concludes my presentation.	01:50:08
	With regard to other than to mention that of course the project is exempt from SQL, we have to mention that.	01:50:11
	Fiscal impact again is over $90,800 due to the city's general fund at this time.	01:50:19
	And the.	01:50:26
	Recommendation then would be to open the public hearing and take testimony and documentary evidence.	01:50:29
	Close the hearing and consider this evidence.	01:50:36
	Adopt A resolution determining that Emerald Prospective Cooperative Incorporated is out of compliance with their development	01:50:38
	agreement.	01:50:41
	And make a determination the project is exempt from SQL.	01:50:45
	And takes such additional related action that may be desirable, including determination of which course of action to take	01:50:48
	regarding to the subject businesses default of the development agreement for the options noted in our staff report.	01:50:54
	And I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.	01:51:01
	Yes.	01:51:06
	Is anyone from Emeril perspective here?	01:51:08
	I believe so, according to Georgiana. I have not met anybody in person.	01:51:12
	So.	01:51:18
	We'd like to hear from Emerald perspective. I'd like to ask some questions to them.	01:51:19
	Can we?	01:51:24
	Ask questions Do you have any questions?	01:51:25
	Well, not really, because.	01:51:33
	They gave all the information that I have and and we need additional information from the actual business owner.	01:51:37
	OK. So we're in a hearing, so we'll follow the process.	01:51:42
	Go through public comments and.	01:51:45
	Discussion and comments will.	01:51:47
	Got it.	01:51:50
	Councilmember Gamma.	01:51:51
	Thank you.	01:51:53
	Are we?	01:51:56
	Only able to talk to.	01:51:57
	The recognized.	01:51:59
	Owner.	01:52:01
	Mead Whipple junior.	01:52:03
	In other words, is anyone authorized to speak on behalf of the?	01:52:05
	Organization.	01:52:08
	There's nothing that says that they that they can't. We don't have to hear it from necessarily a business owner.	01:52:11
	Specifically, OK.	01:52:16
	Yes, Thank you, Mr. Stewart for the.	01:52:21
	Presentation and all your efforts to.	01:52:23
	Collect this revenue. Can I see the option one again please?	01:52:26
	And I just, I wanted to know.	01:52:31
	Does that preclude us from?	01:52:33
	Collecting on the entire amount.	01:52:36
	OK, so we go with option one. Do we eventually?	01:52:43
	Can we eventually?	01:52:47
	Go after the full amount. Is that the intent?	01:52:48
	That is the intent. Option one would be to collect the entire amount within 30 days.	01:52:51
	I do.	01:52:58
	So.	01:52:59
	It shows November and December 2020.	01:53:01
	Three, there was.	01:53:04
	There was money owed.	01:53:05
	What? What was that exact dollar amount?	01:53:07
	I would have to defer to our finance department. I'm not sure exactly what those two particular months are, what I gave you were.	01:53:12
	Yeah.	01:53:20
	The amount in the slide was not just those two months, but everything owed for the 5% because it was those two months as well as	01:53:21
	from April 24 on to present.	01:53:26
	And that total amount with interest is $76,216.87.	01:53:32
	So what was the average monthly?	01:53:38
	Money that.	01:53:42
	What we would normally get.	01:53:43
	Do you know?	01:53:46
	Well, it's I sort of do, but we don't usually disclose the details on those for the security and safety of each business, so.	01:53:47
	They're in violation of not having a business license tax.	01:53:58
	Right, currently that is correct.	01:54:02
	And then something that was so simple as.	01:54:05
	The IDs.	01:54:07
	They never responded to our request.	01:54:10
	That is correct.	01:54:13
	Great. I'd like to just pose a question to.	01:54:19
	Are a city attorney.	01:54:23
	Can we take questions from the organization now and then go to public comments, or should we go to public comments first?	01:54:25
	Public comment first what I thought. Thank you.	01:54:31
	Any other question?	01:54:34
	Great. Thank you. I will now open the public hearing and take public comments.	01:54:35
	The time is now 822.	01:54:41
	Madam Clerk, are there any public comments?	01:54:44
	Yes, we have one from Emeralds perspective, Walter Gauss.	01:54:47
	High Council.	01:54:58
	My name is Walter Gaz. I'm an assistant manager at Animal Perspective.	01:55:00
	I'm here to ask for a 60 day.	01:55:05
	Extension for me and my Co workers.	01:55:08
	As we have not been notified until recently.	01:55:11
	Meet with OH the owner has been dealing with his wife's cancer and needed a full time job.	01:55:15
	So his full attention has not been at the shop and he has not been in.	01:55:20
	As much as he has used to be into her shop.	01:55:25
	He has notified us that his lawyer, Matthew Schriller, has contacted the City of Port Hueneme regarding this matter.	01:55:31
	Again, we are just asking for a 60 day extension for us.	01:55:39
	As employees so we could figure out how we could get the.	01:55:43
	Though needed funds for the city to continue operating.	01:55:46
	Thank you. Thank you.	01:55:50
	Are there any other public comments?	01:55:52
	No more public comments.	01:55:55
	Do you want the applicant to stay up here while they do the questions?	01:55:57
	Sir, are you prepared to answer some questions that the Council may have?	01:56:04
	Yeah, I can to the extent you can.	01:56:08
	Terrific. Thank you. Should the public comments.	01:56:11
	Should the hearing stay open?	01:56:15
	The hearing should stay up Great. Thank you.	01:56:17
	I just would like to ask one question if I may.	01:56:19
	So are all of you employees?	01:56:22
	So no, no one with the decision making authority is here.	01:56:25
	And making all the decision makings for the last.	01:56:30
	Pretty much year and a half. OK and what?	01:56:32
	Advice to.	01:56:34
	I basically just been keeping.	01:56:37
	OK, so and what is your role?	01:56:39
	What is your? Could you identify yourself please?	01:56:43
	And then can can you guys speak in the mic please?	01:56:46
	Andrea Reyes.	01:56:49
	And the general manager? General manager. OK, thank you.	01:56:50
	OK. Any questions?	01:56:53
	Councilmember Perez Well, I'm reluctant. Is there anyone really here with any authority to answer the questions that we have like	01:56:56
	we'd want to know?	01:57:00
	What happened, what got off track? What you know, you they built up so much past due why wasn't any payment made? You know, are is	01:57:05
	anybody available to even answer those questions? Yeah.	01:57:10
	Need pretty much left us to come here because he's.	01:57:16
	Just dealing with.	01:57:19
	Life things and.	01:57:21
	Basically he told us that.	01:57:23
	There is some discrepancy against.	01:57:26
	Something about.	01:57:28
	Payment that's owed.	01:57:29
	Whatnot that I'm not too sure about what it is. He's supposed to be giving me more paperwork from his attorney to show me	01:57:31
	everything.	01:57:34
	But he said to ask for like a 60 day extension because.	01:57:38
	We are trying to come up with something like.	01:57:41
	To give you guys an upfront payment.	01:57:44
	So we could.	01:57:46
	Start a payment plan to get back into compliance just to keep her shop open.	01:57:47
	Why? Because I understand that he thinks that we owe them money, but still, I mean the contract states that.	01:57:50
	You pay a certain amount.	01:57:56
	There's, you know, there's a.	01:57:58
	He went into the agreement understanding all the things that he had to do and doesn't sound like he's done any of them so.	01:58:00
	Not sure how much we can get out of this without really having the person here to answer those questions.	01:58:07
	If I can interject just one comment, I did speak with a Mr. Schiller.	01:58:13
	Late last week he contacted me.	01:58:17
	Either Thursday or Friday. He did not identify himself as an attorney.	01:58:20
	My understanding was that he was an accountant.	01:58:26
	And I essentially informed him the amount that was owed.	01:58:29
	By the dispensary.	01:58:34
	And then there was some issue about a $9000 credit.	01:58:36
	That was potentially owed from the city.	01:58:39
	To the dispensary.	01:58:42
	And I informed Mr. Schiller that that credit.	01:58:45
	It cannot be confirmed until it has been confirmed by our outside auditors.	01:58:48
	And that my understanding and information was that the dispensary was not responding to any of the.	01:58:55
	Outreach.	01:59:05
	From the outside auditors. So the outside auditors weren't able to confirm.	01:59:06
	The amount of the credit.	01:59:11
	The credit was 9000, but what was owed?	01:59:12
	To the city is 90,800. What I'm saying difference, Yeah, OK.	01:59:15
	So I have nothing.	01:59:20
	OK, Councillor McConnell.	01:59:22
	Yes. I would ask that you extend our condolences to Mr. Meade and his wife, and going through cancer, we understand, is very	01:59:24
	difficult.	01:59:28
	However.	01:59:32
	As you understand.	01:59:33
	We have a budget, we have a city to run and we need to.	01:59:35
	Have a.	01:59:39
	Payment and we need to have cooperation so.	01:59:40
	We are in a very difficult situation here, as you.	01:59:44
	Learned.	01:59:48
	That that's why we're here, because we're trying to come up with some kind of agreement where we can give you guys some kind of	01:59:49
	payment.	01:59:51
	Well, the thing that.	01:59:54
	We need is a massive payment.	01:59:57
	I mean, I would say if you could.	02:00:00
	If somebody was able to.	02:00:03
	Yeah, well.	02:00:05
	But clearly you haven't.	02:00:08
	There's an amount owed.	02:00:09
	And and are you?	02:00:12
	Can you?	02:00:14
	Vouch to say that.	02:00:16
	Do you have resources to pay us or?	02:00:19
	What? Well, not the full 90 grand, but like if we could come to some kind of payment agreement where we can make payments every	02:00:21
	month. I'm sure we give you a good chunk, like at least 10 to 12,000.	02:00:26
	Just to get it going.	02:00:31
	That's that's what we're here trying to do.	02:00:36
	Are you, are you authorized to make an?	02:00:40
	Offer.	02:00:45
	On this outstanding debt.	02:00:46
	Yes.	02:00:47
	And your offer is?	02:00:48
	Maybe you could come up with some kind of agreement within the next 30 days to make you guys some sort of payment to get on a	02:00:50
	payment plan.	02:00:52
	OK, Mayor Pro Tem.	02:01:01
	Yes, so.	02:01:02
	Does he wants it? Does Does.	02:01:03
	Does your owner want to stay open?	02:01:06
	He basically he says yes, that we're just trying, but.	02:01:08
	We are going through like financial difficulties with the economy and everything so.	02:01:12
	Right now, like our overhead has been very good.	02:01:16
	Basically where you have enough to pay rent.	02:01:19
	Have to pay our employees.	02:01:21
	Have to pay our bills?	02:01:23
	And I mean, we're struggling.	02:01:24
	All the straps are struggling.	02:01:27
	OK, so as general manager, who pays?	02:01:29
	Who pays the sale tax?	02:01:32
	Well, that that was needs doing.	02:01:34
	But umm.	02:01:37
	He's gonna start giving me authority to like, get in contact with you guys because he said a lot of this is because he was not in	02:01:38
	contact with people.	02:01:41
	So now he told me to come up to the meeting and basically.	02:01:45
	Talk and he would give me authority to be able.	02:01:49
	To be the contact point for you guys. So if you guys needed somebody to contact, you could contact me and I could give you	02:01:52
	answers.	02:01:54
	To what's going on?	02:01:57
	Rather than being ignored.	02:01:59
	So were you aware of?	02:02:00
	The violations.	02:02:02
	Not of this, no.	02:02:03
	I barely found this out like within the last two weeks.	02:02:05
	OK, so.	02:02:08
	You guys are out of compliance with your business sales tax.	02:02:09
	And just your audit?	02:02:13
	Yeah. So you were not aware as a general manager aware of any of this? I was not aware of being like?	02:02:15
	The cities being out of compliance I was aware of like the.	02:02:22
	The employees when they didn't have their badges that one day, what it was was we had hired 2 new employees during that time and	02:02:26
	their badges just hadn't come in yet.	02:02:30
	But all that had been corrected.	02:02:34
	But why didn't you guys notify the city that I thought we did?	02:02:37
	Because he was the one that was handling things like that at that time. At that time, I was just the buyer.	02:02:41
	Like I basically I was just.	02:02:45
	So as a general manager though, you.	02:02:47
	The sales tax.	02:02:48
	Like the business license should be posted right?	02:02:52
	Yeah. Well the business license, I from what I understand it was paid last Friday.	02:02:55
	Is that true?	02:02:59
	I have not been told that yet. I don't know if our finance department knows that they take that normally, but if it was just this	02:03:02
	past Friday, no, I wouldn't have known that yet.	02:03:08
	OK, so it just seems like.	02:03:14
	Seems like the owner is really not.	02:03:16
	Being faithful to the business and he's he's been letting you guys run with this and.	02:03:21
	It's unfortunate because you you guys are not in compliance.	02:03:27
	That's what it basically boils down to. You guys are not following the rules.	02:03:32
	Well, we're trying to figure out what we need to do to.	02:03:36
	Be back in compliance.	02:03:38
	Because this the city stuff I was not aware of at all.	02:03:40
	OK, that's fine.	02:03:44
	Any other questions?	02:03:48
	I just wanted.	02:03:50
	So the owner.	02:03:52
	Is he local?	02:03:55
	He's in Thousand Oaks, 1000 Rio area. Yeah, OK.	02:03:57
	Thank you.	02:04:03
	Any other questions?	02:04:05
	Any other questions?	02:04:09
	OK.	02:04:10
	So we will now close the public comment period. I will now.	02:04:11
	It is now 832.	02:04:17
	We have before us our recommendations. Can we go back to the recommendation page so I don't have to?	02:04:20
	We have our recommendations.	02:04:25
	You want the options or just the actual recommendations?	02:04:31
	Let's go. Let's go to the options.	02:04:34
	OK, so that we're on the 2 pages, this was the first option again, option one, which was the one time payment within 30 days.	02:04:39
	And have not paid then the City Council would move forward with.	02:04:46
	The procedures to revoke the development agreement and conditional use permit.	02:04:51
	Then option 2 would be the payment plan with the down payment of $12,000 minimum.	02:04:56
	And then have that agreed to within 30 days of this evening.	02:05:02
	And then to have that all paid in full within six months and this again would be based on the unaudited gross receipts and if the	02:05:06
	audit the true up.	02:05:11
	Calculated more than those payments would be due.	02:05:17
	Within 30 days of the audit and they would not be part of the payment plan.	02:05:20
	And then third would be any other option that you may want to exercise this evening.	02:05:23
	OK, so we have the recommendations and we have the options before us.	02:05:31
	May I get a first and a second?	02:05:39
	A motion.	02:05:41
	Could I ask a question about one of them? Sure.	02:05:43
	So if we were to agree to the second one.	02:05:46
	With putting terms that.	02:05:49
	Once you said it has to be paid within 30 days, what was the 30 days? The first payment?	02:05:52
	And they have to. You have to make a plan, correct?	02:05:58
	And then?	02:06:00
	The full payment has to be made within six months. What was the rest of it?	02:06:01
	That the gist of it. That would be the gist of it, correct?	02:06:05
	And we add something if we wanted to do 2.	02:06:08
	Give them an option and add something in there that as soon as they were.	02:06:11
	Already out of compliance with that first portion of it, then we could.	02:06:15
	Another decision. Can I just ask a question really quick if you don't mind?	02:06:22
	Can we come up with a #3 or #4?	02:06:26
	Yes, you do whatever you want come up. OK. So, so we don't have to adjust two or one, we can just if there's something else.	02:06:29
	That you want to at least put out there.	02:06:37
	Do that I'd like.	02:06:40
	Suggest or make a motion.	02:06:43
	That we.	02:06:45
	We umm.	02:06:49
	Asked for 30% of the total due within 30 days.	02:06:51
	And then a.	02:06:57
	Aggressive payment plan thereafter.	02:06:59
	However.	02:07:05
	I mean that that.	02:07:06
	I by motion is to.	02:07:08
	Show good faith that you're going to make.	02:07:12
	A significant reduction in the debt.	02:07:15
	And then aggressive repayment plan.	02:07:18
	If there's no second, is there?	02:07:25
	Another motion.	02:07:29
	Because I didn't, I didn't hear a second on that.	02:07:30
	Is there another motion?	02:07:32
	Anyone.	02:07:34
	If not, I have one.	02:07:36
	I would like to hear yours, Mayor.	02:07:37
	Yeah. And so I have heard the general manager talk about 60 days.	02:07:39
	And so I would like to.	02:07:46
	Umm, request the 12,000 immediately.	02:07:49
	And then allow the 60 days to pay the balance.	02:07:57
	Of what's due.	02:08:02
	Since since it sounds like they asked for 60 days.	02:08:06
	If there's no second, is there another motion?	02:08:13
	I I wanted to ask.	02:08:17
	Staff if that was something they had.	02:08:20
	Considered and if they think that's a bad.	02:08:22
	Feasible option.	02:08:25
	And what about the balance?	02:08:32
	OK, I'm just not confident.	02:08:38
	I'm not. I'm not confident.	02:08:42
	At a payment.	02:08:44
	Arrangement. So that's where I stand personally.	02:08:45
	Can we discuss?	02:08:47
	Can I come up with?	02:08:50
	Can I make a motion?	02:08:53
	You can because they both have failed so.	02:08:54
	So I would like to.	02:08:57
	Make a motion that.	02:08:59
	A. They get in compliance.	02:09:02
	1st.	02:09:04
	Have a one time payment of 12/12 K immediately.	02:09:07
	And.	02:09:11
	Three payments.	02:09:14
	In the next 6 months.	02:09:15
	That covers the remaining amount.	02:09:17
	Can I get a second?	02:09:21
	I'll second that.	02:09:23
	Are there any discussion any any further question, comments, discussion?	02:09:27
	So.	02:09:32
	What do we mean by compliance? What does that actually mean? What will they have to do to be?	02:09:33
	Well, they had.	02:09:38
	So they don't have a business.	02:09:41
	License A.	02:09:44
	That we know of since the staff report.	02:09:46
	They were out of compliance with.	02:09:50
	The.	02:09:52
	And it sounds like they made those corrections but didn't notify the city.	02:09:54
	And Mr. Stewart, did I miss anything else?	02:09:58
	The badges, right, You just mentioned the badges. So it would be basically compliance with the conditional use permit conditions	02:10:03
	of approval. That's what you're asking for them to be in compliance with. That includes the business license, the badging	02:10:07
	documentations.	02:10:11
	And whatnot.	02:10:16
	Yeah.	02:10:17
	Thank you.	02:10:20
	Yeah, discussion, so.	02:10:20
	I just want I can just.	02:10:22
	Will you just summarize again?	02:10:24
	What?	02:10:26
	You just commented to our mayor Pro Tem.	02:10:27
	She talked about being in compliance.	02:10:31
	With.	02:10:35
	And I just want everybody to hear that.	02:10:36
	Right. What does that mean?	02:10:38
	So they would be.	02:10:40
	What compliance would how it would be defined would be that they would.	02:10:41
	Have a business license.	02:10:46
	In effect, they basically pay for their current one.	02:10:47
	And then?	02:10:52
	Because we're coming up close to our new they would get a new one.	02:10:53
	They would also verify that all of the deficiencies found during the inspections, such as the the lack of the paperwork and plans.	02:10:58
	As well as the identification were corrected.	02:11:07
	And so basically those conditions of approval.	02:11:13
	Would be complied with.	02:11:17
	And let me ask you based on, based on timelines, how long it takes for those items to get done?	02:11:18
	How long should it take?	02:11:25
	For them for the organization to be.	02:11:27
	Compliant with those things.	02:11:30
	I would say that within 30 days we just heard that they may already be, but if not, then there's no reason why they can't be	02:11:33
	completely compliant within 30 days. These are not big asks.	02:11:38
	And also at that point then we've got the $12,000 that we had also mentioned that could also that were requested with option one.	02:11:44
	To be going also paid within 30 days, that would be great.	02:11:53
	And I think that I have amended motion. Just want to add one thing. So exactly what our mayor pro temp said.	02:11:56
	But after the six month period.	02:12:03
	It's not done to move to the revoking.	02:12:05
	Yeah.	02:12:10
	Is there can I get a second on that?	02:12:11
	Did you have something?	02:12:15
	Yeah, we're on this motion. Can we take the motion?	02:12:17
	This is, I'm sorry, this is discussion time. Go ahead.	02:12:20
	I just want to be brutally honest.	02:12:25
	Sales are down. We just heard that.	02:12:27
	I don't know. I just don't see the business surviving in the current environment and.	02:12:31
	You know $90,000 is a lot of money.	02:12:37
	That's owed to the city and we have a fiduciary responsibility to.	02:12:40
	To our end.	02:12:45
	And you know, nothing personal. I mean, I want you to have your jobs, but.	02:12:47
	I don't have any confidence that we're going to be.	02:12:52
	Paid the way we should be paid.	02:12:55
	And so.	02:12:57
	I I just, I can't vote for a payment plan that drags us out for six more months. I'm sorry, but.	02:13:01
	OK, so I have a comment to that. Either way either they're they're able to make the payment.	02:13:07
	We'll get our 12,000.	02:13:12
	Either way, I mean, they're going to owe the money, so.	02:13:14
	Either able to do it or they're not.	02:13:17
	It's not going to really affect us any more than what it already is. But my question is.	02:13:19
	To the.	02:13:24
	Business, do you have another Emerald perspective? You have another business that you're operating in like Oxnard or Ventura?	02:13:26
	It's port oriented me the only location.	02:13:31
	So just to be clear.	02:13:36
	When I said.	02:13:39
	Six months, So that would be 3 payments within six months.	02:13:40
	So.	02:13:45
	So every two months.	02:13:49
	They're gonna make a payment.	02:13:51
	But I heard the.	02:13:54
	Right. Yes.	02:13:58
	Then we immediately we moved to come back to the council.	02:14:00
	OK. Is that clear or do we need to put that on the record again?	02:14:04
	I think that's clear.	02:14:08
	It's clear, OK, I did. So we're not taking mayor's amended motion. It just.	02:14:09
	Well.	02:14:15
	I think I was in crystal clear on my so so so that is.	02:14:17
	Clear on the record.	02:14:22
	Can you please state your motion again?	02:14:23
	The six month that the comment that I made, but make sure you're clear about paying.	02:14:27
	I'm going to let you.	02:14:33
	I'm gonna let you make the motion. OK, I'll make the motion and so.	02:14:35
	I move that we.	02:14:40
	Allow umm.	02:14:42
	Emerald to come into compliance in the 30 days.	02:14:43
	Make the immediate $12,000 payment.	02:14:48
	And between the 30 days and the next five months, they should make 3 payments.	02:14:52
	That at the end of the six month period.	02:14:59
	We would have received.	02:15:02
	All the due funds.	02:15:04
	Is that correct?	02:15:07
	And if not at any point any stage, so we can get this, I guess we have to get it written for at any stage of the non compliance.	02:15:08
	To our decision, we should move to revocation.	02:15:19
	Do you need a second for that or is she just clear?	02:15:23
	Clarifying the original.	02:15:25
	And I just want to also clarify that includes adopting the resolution and making the determination that it's exempt from SEQUA.	02:15:29
	Yes.	02:15:36
	OK, I'll second that.	02:15:37
	Thank you.	02:15:38
	Any other discussion?	02:15:39
	Can I make one? Yeah. Can I make one suggestion?	02:15:42
	I'll just say I feel terrible for.	02:15:48
	You all here that you have to deal with this because I don't think it's your guys''s fault and I think the council probably feels	02:15:52
	the same way and I don't think it's the situation any of us want.	02:15:57
	But the biggest concern I have is that the property owner is not here. Property owner hasn't told us anything. A business owner.	02:16:03
	Confirmed he's willing to do anything.	02:16:10
	I think my suggestion would be as part of that motion.	02:16:14
	That the public hearing be continued for 30 days.	02:16:17
	And if.	02:16:20
	The business owner.	02:16:22
	Takes the steps needed and signs the compliance agreement then.	02:16:24
	When we we can report back in 30 days.	02:16:29
	That they're in compliance.	02:16:32
	But if they're not.	02:16:34
	Because I haven't heard from the business owner yet and I don't really have a lot of faith right now. So that's a new motion that,	02:16:35
	well, it's not, it's the mechanics of this motion is that.	02:16:40
	At 30 days, if we don't have an agreement, we continue this public hearing so it comes back to council will report if.	02:16:45
	They've taken care of things or if not, and then there could be a decision made at that day.	02:16:52
	So after 30 days we should expect.	02:16:57
	How much?	02:17:01
	It would be the $12,000 and.	02:17:03
	And significant progress on getting into compliance with all of the requirements.	02:17:05
	And so then at that point Council could say OK, you know you made progress and we'll give you the six months to make payments or	02:17:11
	you haven't made progress.	02:17:15
	We have to act and I will just note just there that.	02:17:19
	Just as.	02:17:22
	We do have almost all of our businesses are in compliance. So I just want to reflect that.	02:17:24
	You know, umm.	02:17:30
	This is a.	02:17:31
	One thing that gets lost sometimes it is a fairness to all businesses.	02:17:32
	Conversation where?	02:17:36
	Other businesses are following the rules and are making the payments, and so it's unfair to let one business not do those things.	02:17:38
	So I just want to make that point.	02:17:44
	Because it's not something that anybody likes to do.	02:17:46
	But it's something.	02:17:49
	That we have to do to be fair to everyone.	02:17:51
	So giving that 30 day period.	02:17:53
	Continuing the public hearing.	02:17:55
	If they've done.	02:17:57
	Mr. Whipple has done what?	02:17:58
	They said he would do then then.	02:18:00
	We'll be able to.	02:18:02
	Approved the agreement and move on.	02:18:03
	I could support that.	02:18:09
	Great, Madam Clerk.	02:18:10
	Can we have a vote please?	02:18:12
	Yes.	02:18:13
	Councilmember Goma.	02:18:14
	Yes, Councilmember Hernandez. Yes.	02:18:18
	Mayor Pro Tem Lopez.	02:18:21
	Sorry, Councilmember Perez, you were looking right at me too.	02:18:23
	Yes, and Mary Queen legend.	02:18:28
	Motion passes unanimously.	02:18:30
	Question.	02:18:34
	So let's see our city attorney and city manager discuss it. So and what we were discussing is the the council meeting is on June	02:18:35
	2nd.	02:18:39
	That's the one a month from now.	02:18:43
	It's technically less than 30 days. So I was asking do we need to have the motion say come back on June 2nd?	02:18:45
	Yeah.	02:18:53
	OK. So I want to amend the motion.	02:18:54
	To return to continue the public hearing till June 2nd.	02:18:57
	OK, return the public hearing June 2nd, 2025.	02:19:00
	2nd, 2nd.	02:19:04
	Great. Can we take a roll call please?	02:19:06
	Councilmember Gama Yes Councilmember Hernandez, Councilmember Perez, Yes Mayor Pro Tem Lopez and Mayor McQueen Lejeune. Motion	02:19:09
	passes unanimously.	02:19:14
	Council, I'd like to take a point.	02:19:20
	I need to step up.	02:19:26
	Step up.	02:19:27
	Are we taking that 5 minutes?	02:19:29
	5 minute.	02:19:34
	I know.	02:23:55
	All right, welcome back. We'll reconvene to the City Council meeting and we'll move to item business, item number 13.	02:24:08
	Electric motorized vehicles on Waeneme Beach Pier.	02:24:17
	Will staff please present the report?	02:24:22
	Yes, and our Deputy City manager, Charles Parrots will be.	02:24:25
	Presenting this report.	02:24:29
	Good evening Mayor and council members, member of the public and staff.	02:24:33
	So item 13.	02:24:38
	Agenda.	02:24:40
	Pertains to a discussion about electronic and motorized vehicles at the pier.	02:24:42
	The April 7th City Council meeting included a public comment.	02:24:47
	Pertaining to the operation of motorized electric.	02:24:51
	Bikes on the pier.	02:24:55
	And this agenda is presented in response to Council's request for a future agenda item.	02:24:57
	To discuss such activity and consider options to address the concerns that were expressed.	02:25:03
	The purpose of the presentation is to provide information about existing signage.	02:25:08
	Relevant municipal codes.	02:25:13
	And ultimately to provide Council the opportunity to provide direction.	02:25:15
	Last year in response to community members concerns about a wide variety of activities at the beach.	02:25:21
	The city installed new rule signs.	02:25:27
	The new signs which are pictured here.	02:25:30
	Include an extensive listing of activities that are prohibited at Winemi Beach.	02:25:33
	As noted in the staff report.	02:25:38
	Consolidated rule signs allow for consistency in messaging. Decreased sign clutter.	02:25:40
	Reduced costs.	02:25:45
	And they provide centralized locations where.	02:25:47
	Members of the public.	02:25:49
	Can find information about various rules.	02:25:51
	O In a review of the municipal code, there are no specific code sections that address motorized vehicle activity on the pier,	02:25:58
	however.	02:26:03
	There are two code sections that relate to the issue of wheeled vehicles at the beach and the pier.	02:26:08
	The first is section 4301.	02:26:15
	And that prohibits.	02:26:18
	Riding, pushing or pulling wheeled vehicles on.	02:26:19
	The Pier.	02:26:22
	The other section 4212.	02:26:24
	Is uh.	02:26:26
	Which is which references.	02:26:28
	Which is referenced. I'm sorry, which is referenced on the sign.	02:26:30
	Prohibits riding, pushing, and pulling wheeled vehicles for human conveyance.	02:26:34
	On unpaved areas at the beach park.	02:26:39
	While these two reference wheeled vehicles.	02:26:43
	Neither define the term wheeled vehicle.	02:26:46
	In summary.	02:26:53
	Of this issue last year.	02:26:55
	The city installed new beach signs that address a multitude.	02:26:57
	Of prohibited activities in the beach in the pier area.	02:27:01
	The code includes prohibitions related to wheeled vehicles, but does not define that term.	02:27:05
	And staff doesn't think that the intention was for the city to prohibit.	02:27:11
	Wheeled vehicles such as strollers.	02:27:14
	And wagons.	02:27:16
	Yeah, there there is a provision in the municipal code that allows for wheeled vehicles that are used to transport disabled	02:27:19
	persons.	02:27:23
	Staff is recommending that the city produce.	02:27:27
	A flyer.	02:27:30
	Prohibiting electronic and motorized vehicles.	02:27:31
	From the pier.	02:27:35
	And place it in the kiosk that lies adjacent to the pier.	02:27:36
	And additionally as staff does.	02:27:40
	Periodically. Umm.	02:27:43
	The suggestion is that staff would take an inventory of the signs at the beach.	02:27:44
	Identify any areas where signage is deficient and add.	02:27:48
	The rule signs that have already been installed as necessary.	02:27:52
	That provides an overview of the issue.	02:27:58
	And we are available for.	02:28:00
	Questions that the Council may have.	02:28:02
	Are there any questions?	02:28:04
	Go ahead.	02:28:10
	So is a.	02:28:12
	California Legislature. Are they beginning to?	02:28:13
	Recognize.	02:28:17
	I think the motorized.	02:28:19
	Bikes that we're talking about are basically motorcycles.	02:28:21
	And are they going to, is there any pending legislation that's going to?	02:28:25
	Make it necessary to register said vehicles because.	02:28:32
	I think there's a MPH.	02:28:36
	Ceiling but.	02:28:40
	Because we're kind of getting this area.	02:28:43
	And we need help from the state.	02:28:45
	So my question is, is the state doing anything to address these?	02:28:49
	Electric.	02:28:53
	Bikes which go very fast and we see them all over the roads. We see them in in the.	02:28:54
	Intersections at the stoplights and so forth.	02:29:00
	I can't speak to specific legislation, but I can tell you.	02:29:05
	What has been discussed and what is proposed is not.	02:29:09
	Ebike specific.	02:29:13
	It's it's actually differentiated in the the power of the wattage of the bikes.	02:29:14
	So bikes that are able to travel at certain speeds and have certain wattages and powers.	02:29:19
	Are designated more as motor vehicles.	02:29:24
	And and motorized.	02:29:27
	Bikes that have less wattage and has have lesser speed capabilities.	02:29:29
	Are not. So you get to a point where it does have to be registered with the Department of Motor Vehicles and is appropriate for	02:29:33
	streets.	02:29:37
	But there are many E bikes.	02:29:40
	That are not in that category, that would not be subject to registration with the Department of Motor Vehicles.	02:29:42
	So you referenced motorcycles before?	02:29:49
	And that would be something that would rise to the level of more of a motor.	02:29:51
	Vehicle.	02:29:55
	Rather than an E bike, you know. But I see these two kids that come to Miranda Park on some.	02:29:56
	I mean these electric.	02:30:02
	Bikes look like motorcycles.	02:30:05
	And they literally could burnout and send dirt and grass a fly in.	02:30:08
	And they jump and they do all these crazy things. So I'm wondering like.	02:30:13
	Because they're clearly.	02:30:18
	Vehicles or.	02:30:20
	Bicycles or.	02:30:22
	Could go very very fast, so.	02:30:23
	I think what you're saying is that.	02:30:26
	They're not recognized as a.	02:30:29
	I mean, I mean, how do we?	02:30:31
	Because I think what the complaint was.	02:30:33
	Correct me if I'm wrong.	02:30:36
	Was that?	02:30:38
	Some of these bikes were zipping down the pier.	02:30:39
	Fast, fast.	02:30:45
	Yeah, so.	02:30:46
	Yeah, if I could add to that, then I think.	02:30:47
	I think it was last year. I know it's.	02:30:52
	I know they've tried.	02:30:54
	But the state has a couple of times.	02:30:56
	Talked about legislation.	02:30:58
	I think they sort of differentiated it as like the what do they call the Class 2 bicycles? So the.	02:31:00
	Class one goes up to 20 miles an hour and then class 2IN excess of that I think.	02:31:06
	And so the state has talked a couple times about.	02:31:11
	Requiring things like insurance and registration, but it hasn't.	02:31:16
	Gone. It hasn't been approved at this point and I think it's failed a couple of times.	02:31:20
	So.	02:31:25
	And then what about enforcement? I mean, are we?	02:31:27
	Yeah. What are we doing? How are we going to enforce?	02:31:31
	Are we imposing a fine?	02:31:35
	Such as?	02:31:37
	For violation.	02:31:38
	Do we have any type of anything that will stick?	02:31:39
	I think.	02:31:42
	The challenge for us kind of goes back to the budget discussion right now of.	02:31:43
	You know, essentially we have four officers.	02:31:49
	On duty at anyone time and so do we want to use that resource at the pier?	02:31:52
	You know and.	02:31:57
	Or do you know, do we respond when called when there's, you know, problematic behavior, but we don't have somebody stationed at	02:31:58
	the pier?	02:32:02
	Right. No, I wouldn't want that. But if they see it and it happens and there's somebody, you know.	02:32:07
	Yeah. And I think that's the big thing is if people see it, call us.	02:32:12
	You know, I think this is accurate. I know we were checking, but I don't believe we've gotten a call on this in the last year, for	02:32:15
	example.	02:32:19
	So, umm.	02:32:22
	So just as a reminder, there is if people are seeing it.	02:32:24
	You know, call us and call the police. But.	02:32:27
	So far, when that request came forward, the request was, you know, brought to the Council meeting.	02:32:33
	And so sort of big picture wise, we're saying, well, let's make sure we put some signage specific to this, but.	02:32:40
	If we get the calls and we're able to respond to those calls then.	02:32:49
	That's something that can be enforced.	02:32:53
	But.	02:32:56
	We don't have.	02:32:57
	Any plan right now to have?	02:32:59
	Like resources stationed there to, you know, to just be looking for this issue so.	02:33:00
	I understood and I agree with that.	02:33:05
	Portion of it, but just in case there is.	02:33:07
	An officer there because they do make calls out to the pier. Is there a fine related to getting a citation for writing a	02:33:10
	motorized?	02:33:14
	Vehicle on the pier.	02:33:19
	I'll let Charles answer that.	02:33:20
	Yes. I can't tell you what the amount is, but it would be a violation of the municipal code and subject to an administrative	02:33:22
	infraction.	02:33:25
	Thank you.	02:33:29
	That was the code section that.	02:33:32
	We went through a moment ago is that.	02:33:34
	Vehicle. Wheeled vehicle other than a wheelchair, right?	02:33:37
	Is technically, yeah, I believe it says a wheelchair or other device used to transport a disabled person.	02:33:41
	And like we said, we wouldn't, we wouldn't plan to enforce that because we don't think it was the intent when it was passed. We	02:33:48
	don't plan to enforce it. I get somebody pushing a stroller.	02:33:51
	But if somebody's out there.	02:33:55
	You know, terrorizing people and somebody calls us that we have the tools so that the police could respond to that.	02:33:57
	Yeah. I just want to make sure what we're doing here is we're not really amending the the.	02:34:08
	City ordinance at all? We're just calling out this?	02:34:13
	They don't ride your wheel vehicle on the pier.	02:34:17
	That's correct.	02:34:21
	This is an opportunity to provide education and information to the public about existing violations.	02:34:22
	Yeah, so do we make?	02:34:32
	Yes.	02:34:35
	So we have the ability.	02:34:36
	Oh, so so we created the sign that was illustrated. But we do.	02:34:40
	We have somebody make the sign. The city pays for the signs to be made.	02:34:46
	OK, so.	02:34:50
	My question is.	02:34:53
	You know the little soccer carts that people push?	02:34:55
	And you know they're loading up all their fishing gear.	02:34:58
	So you're telling me that's not allowed on the pier?	02:35:01
	Because you're pushing it. So that's the conversation we're having. Technically, it can be interpreted that would be a violation	02:35:04
	of this code section.	02:35:07
	And unless the Council directs us otherwise, it would not be our intent.	02:35:10
	To enforce that as a violation of the code.	02:35:14
	But it would be our intent to use this section to prohibit.	02:35:17
	Electronic, uh.	02:35:20
	Electric motorized vehicles.	02:35:21
	And so can I ride my beach cruiser on the pier?	02:35:23
	Technically, it's a violation of the code.	02:35:29
	And so.	02:35:33
	That goes back to if you're doing it and you're not bothering anyone and nobody calls us, then you're not.	02:35:35
	You know, there's there's no one to respond to it, but technically it's a violation of the code.	02:35:40
	So.	02:35:44
	Couple things I would.	02:35:46
	The recommendation of of.	02:35:49
	Signage specifically for this I would agree with.	02:35:52
	What?	02:35:58
	What I.	02:36:02
	Yeah, I just lost my friend without.	02:36:05
	The electric motorized vehicles.	02:36:08
	So your recommendation is to have specific signage for this?	02:36:13
	Because it's it's very hard to see that little.	02:36:19
	One thing like.	02:36:23
	I don't think we're using our social media arm.	02:36:24
	To actually.	02:36:30
	To distribute what can be.	02:36:32
	What's a lot on that pier? What's allowed on the beach?	02:36:34
	Like we should, we should have a reoccurring.	02:36:37
	Post that.	02:36:42
	Gives the regulations on on this so that we.	02:36:44
	Or at least being proactive, not reactive like we're acting right now.	02:36:47
	That's all I have.	02:36:52
	Yeah. Thank you for that.	02:36:53
	And so I guess I'll follow up and say.	02:36:55
	Yeah. This is kind of the thing that, you know, I've been talking about about ordinances, right?	02:36:58
	So one day you'll have one person that is.	02:37:04
	Purposefully.	02:37:07
	Calling the police because the ordinances.	02:37:09
	Ordinance is not being followed.	02:37:13
	Right. And so based on what our city manager just said.	02:37:14
	Someone can actually do that.	02:37:18
	Police will need to come and then provide them a.	02:37:20
	Ticket I imagine.	02:37:23
	If it's the ordinance.	02:37:24
	So do we need to do something with the ordinance?	02:37:28
	So that it's more clear because I was reading and I thought, you know, I see people come out for the movie.	02:37:31
	And they have their cards with the now beach wheels that they haven't already had. So technology has changed.	02:37:36
	Right to take their stuff on the beach, but really based on the ordinance.	02:37:43
	That's against the ordinance.	02:37:48
	And so.	02:37:51
	It's just it's really confusing for me.	02:37:52
	And it says no, you know, no wheeled vehicles. And I actually went out and looked and said, OK, what really is a vehicle?	02:37:55
	And it, I mean really, I went to look for today and said, OK, what's a vehicle and.	02:38:02
	Yeah, anything that carries something, really.	02:38:09
	People. Umm.	02:38:12
	Ice chests, yeah.	02:38:13
	Real guppy supplies.	02:38:15
	You know, so I just think we.	02:38:19
	We can do.	02:38:21
	We can do better.	02:38:22
	You know when I was a mayor a because I don't want to get a ticket and then you don't get a ticket.	02:38:26
	And you went later the same day, but the people didn't call the police on you, right? So like when I was married.	02:38:31
	A kid got.	02:38:38
	By a dog that was running around on the beach and got.	02:38:39
	Facial stitches.	02:38:42
	So.	02:38:44
	We're being made aware that no dogs on the beach. Well, everybody has a dog on the beach. Well, no ordinance and so.	02:38:46
	You know, I don't know.	02:38:54
	Where we go from here? But.	02:38:56
	And I know that our city manager have heard him say this.	02:38:58
	Don't want?	02:39:01
	Things that we don't plan on enforcing.	02:39:02
	But at the same time, clearly when?	02:39:05
	An injury.	02:39:07
	It all you know.	02:39:08
	Fun and games until somebody gets hurt.	02:39:10
	And so.	02:39:13
	I think that bigger conversation is where we have to go is like, you know.	02:39:14
	If someone gets hurt.	02:39:18
	Suddenly we're saying, well, you're weren't supposed to be there and you're going to get a ticket.	02:39:20
	OK. Any other any other questions?	02:39:26
	If I could just add.	02:39:29
	To that that.	02:39:31
	The last paragraph of the staff report we did sort of speak to if that's a concern.	02:39:33
	That.	02:39:39
	One approach could be.	02:39:41
	That Council.	02:39:44
	Send that.	02:39:46
	Issue to the Citizens Advisory Commission to to.	02:39:47
	Review, but also do it in a public meeting where there can be public input because I do think that there are a lot of opinions.	02:39:51
	On this topic, on, you know, even just one portion.	02:39:58
	You know of it should.	02:40:03
	You know, umm.	02:40:05
	The probably the biggest question that I get most frequently is do we allow dogs on the beach? Should we allow dogs on the beach?	02:40:07
	Should we allow them on this side? Should we allow them on that side? Should we allow them, you know, all that stuff.	02:40:12
	And.	02:40:17
	So.	02:40:19
	I think sending it to the Citizens Advisory Commission and asking them to review the sections and have that public conversation	02:40:21
	and then.	02:40:25
	Sort of create recommendations of what?	02:40:29
	The updates could be.	02:40:31
	Because I think.	02:40:32
	Maybe to answer your question is like for us.	02:40:34
	We don't.	02:40:36
	We assume that.	02:40:38
	The Council, when this ordinance was adopted, didn't want us to issue citations to a mother with the stroller.	02:40:39
	But.	02:40:47
	You know, I don't know what the story was. I don't know if, you know, a mother with a stroller had run somebody over or, you know.	02:40:48
	But I think it's safe to say that probably didn't happen. We don't think that was the case, but we don't know why.	02:40:55
	The rule was specifically formulated.	02:41:00
	What it was intended to address.	02:41:02
	We just know that it was written very broad and now applies to a lot.	02:41:04
	And so.	02:41:08
	You know, I don't ever like having our staff have to kind of make the judgment call out there and say, well, it's against the	02:41:10
	rules, but.	02:41:13
	You know, umm.	02:41:17
	But I don't think it's meant to be against the rules, so clarity is better.	02:41:18
	I think I also kind of weigh that with.	02:41:23
	You know, it's like at this point we have essentially 1 complaint and so it's like.	02:41:26
	You know, how much of an effort do we go through to address 1 complaint?	02:41:30
	But if that beach.	02:41:34
	Conversation continues to come up and there's always sort of like.	02:41:36
	You know, disagreement about what's allowed, what's not, what should be.	02:41:41
	That could be an item that's sent to the Citizens Advisory Commission for them to make recommendations. Mayor, I have a further	02:41:45
	comment on that line of thinking, though.	02:41:49
	We're not looking at the other side of this where we start getting into the conversation of enforcement.	02:41:54
	Do we really want to start creating negative?	02:41:59
	Police interactions with people with dogs.	02:42:03
	Where the police's requirement is, you assure a citation.	02:42:06
	You have to sign that citation.	02:42:10
	Their rule is, and it's the law for police officers, they don't sign the citation. They have to arrest you.	02:42:11
	So are we really going to have?	02:42:17
	That interaction happening with somebody violating, not signing a citation over a dog and now we have a negative interaction with	02:42:18
	a police officer that could lead to.	02:42:23
	Other things, somebody not wanting to be arrested.	02:42:27
	So we have to think about all the things that we're creating out of this conversation.	02:42:30
	That we could be going down that dark hole.	02:42:34
	Yeah, I'm going down this list of rules and regulations and all these things are happening.	02:42:40
	They're not and they're not being enforced. I mean, it's really there comes a point where people have to self police.	02:42:45
	On these rules, because this is I think it's ridiculous for us to expect that.	02:42:52
	Police are really going to enforce this and.	02:42:56
	I don't think it's a good use of their time. People just have to understand the rules and follow them.	02:42:59
	Are these genuine rules of the road for the beach? Or is it could we just do the old?	02:43:03
	Pirates of the Caribbean guidelines.	02:43:10
	Type. They're all part of the ordinance.	02:43:12
	I mean, maybe that's something we could wrestle was like.	02:43:16
	You know we're not going to.	02:43:18
	We're not going to the dog thing though.	02:43:21
	Again, because that's kind of like the extreme.	02:43:25
	Somebody has a dog and dogs running around and.	02:43:28
	Bites a kid in the face. I mean, that's.	02:43:30
	That's not good.	02:43:33
	Right. But then again.	02:43:35
	We all agree that we don't have the resources to be policing the beach.	02:43:37
	And we don't want to be. And we don't want to be.	02:43:43
	Correct. So maybe.	02:43:46
	Guidelines. I don't know. Guidelines, ordinances. I just don't understand why we.	02:43:48
	Have mosquitoes flying around at night but anyways.	02:43:55
	I'm done, mayor Pro Tem.	02:44:00
	So I think.	02:44:02
	Motorized.	02:44:04
	Vehicles are important too on the pier.	02:44:06
	And require the same emphasis.	02:44:09
	So I.	02:44:13
	I think this is this is valid.	02:44:14
	And I do like the recommendation that we kick this down to the Citizens Advisory Commission.	02:44:16
	Is there a way also when we're actually doing lifeguards?	02:44:23
	To have some not an enforcement.	02:44:27
	Policy, but a general information policy where they can go.	02:44:31
	Instruct citizens.	02:44:35
	On the do's and don'ts of the beach.	02:44:38
	Yeah, we last year we did a couple of things.	02:44:39
	It's actually in line with what you you said before is.	02:44:43
	Basically right when before the summer, when we were kind of, we knew everybody was starting to think about going to the beach.	02:44:47
	We did a social media campaign on.	02:44:54
	Sort of the rules. And then there was a big focus because at that time we had a.	02:44:57
	A group of residents asking us to help educate, including surf riders.	02:45:01
	They help ask us to help educate about the dogs on leash issue.	02:45:07
	So we actually did get Surfrider gave both our police officers and our lifeguards their brochure on.	02:45:10
	About why dogs shouldn't.	02:45:18
	You know why they can't be at the beach?	02:45:19
	And then the lifeguards.	02:45:21
	Officers, when they did beach patrol and the lifeguards when they're out there were part of the educational process and, you know,	02:45:24
	actually would tell people. Here's some information.	02:45:28
	So I think that was a good approach.	02:45:33
	That was actually pretty simple because Surf Riders already has the brochures and they brought them to us and we just like kind of	02:45:36
	helped get them out.	02:45:39
	But.	02:45:44
	So we don't quite have that for.	02:45:46
	The E bike issue, so that would be something.	02:45:48
	We could definitely do messaging on it.	02:45:51
	We don't have like a ready made brochure for it.	02:45:54
	So I have a motion.	02:45:56
	I want to make a motion that this.	02:46:03
	That we direct this to the Citizens Advisory Commission to review for.	02:46:05
	To come up with recommendations on.	02:46:11
	On, you know, the signage enforcement and.	02:46:16
	And everything to do with.	02:46:19
	Public safety on the beach.	02:46:21
	Electric motor vehicles, Yeah, and do the sign stating electric motorized vehicles.	02:46:25
	'Cause everything's a broad term.	02:46:31
	Yeah, everything's everything. Does anybody have a motion?	02:46:34
	The attorney is there.	02:46:39
	Is there a way to?	02:46:41
	Move these rules.	02:46:44
	To just suggestions as opposed to.	02:46:46
	Codified in a.	02:46:49
	Ordinance.	02:46:50
	Because we, we do put ourselves in this position like, well, why did you pass the ordinance if you're not going to enforce the	02:46:55
	rule?	02:46:58
	Well, you could.	02:47:03
	Direct that staff come back with an amended ordinance.	02:47:04
	And the ordinances as it is, I don't know. I wasn't around when that particular ordinance was drafted.	02:47:11
	You could direct that we amend the ordinance.	02:47:18
	To address.	02:47:22
	Some of these other issues that we've been discussing tonight.	02:47:24
	Or we can do perhaps do that.	02:47:28
	Upon recommendations from the Citizens Advisory.	02:47:31
	Commission, Umm.	02:47:36
	We could do that now or do it after they've come back with their proposals or recommendations.	02:47:40
	Yeah, I think.	02:47:47
	If I can add to that.	02:47:49
	Just to answer your.	02:47:52
	To kind of get back to the.	02:47:53
	Basic of your question is.	02:47:55
	I think what you're saying is something similar to what we do in some other parks is we have like administrative.	02:47:57
	Guidelines and administrative policies.	02:48:03
	And so like.	02:48:07
	I'll say how you could do it, but I'll also say.	02:48:12
	I think I would tell you we probably shouldn't do it, but I'll, I'll say how you do it is.	02:48:15
	What you could do is you could revoke that ordinance and then basically say that.	02:48:19
	You know the city manager can create administrative policies.	02:48:24
	That say you know you should not do these things, but the problem and the reason why I wouldn't suggest that.	02:48:27
	Is because then if you do have somebody that goes out and just.	02:48:33
	You know, purposely.	02:48:36
	Rides a motorcycle up and down the pier.	02:48:38
	We can't write them a ticket.	02:48:41
	And so that's really the.	02:48:43
	Challenge here. I think that's why this happens the way it does is that.	02:48:45
	Code is written for the one person who just goes way over the top.	02:48:50
	And when we catch them, we can write them a ticket.	02:48:53
	But it's not meant and I think this is where.	02:48:56
	The conversation with the resident who brought this forward is it's not meant for us to go out and write tickets to everybody who,	02:48:59
	you know, the wheel of their stroller touches the pier. That's not what the intent is.	02:49:04
	But the mayors point.	02:49:09
	Doesn't say that in the code. So that's sort of where you know that challenge is so.	02:49:12
	So.	02:49:18
	I think maybe that answers the question of that's, that's that's why at the end of the day, there's an ordinance on it and why	02:49:19
	just guidelines.	02:49:23
	The risk with guidelines is you can't actually do something about.	02:49:27
	The.	02:49:32
	But in the case of a catastrophic injury or.	02:49:32
	Then you know these things will work against us.	02:49:36
	These facts.	02:49:40
	I mean like if if.	02:49:43
	Like having having an ordinance and not enforcing it, correct?	02:49:44
	Correct, correct.	02:49:48
	It would be on the individual who broke.	02:49:50
	Who broke the law?	02:49:52
	And injured someone else he had.	02:49:53
	Deep pockets.	02:49:55
	Yeah, it won't stop somebody from suing the city, but.	02:49:57
	And Joan could speak better to this, but when you have a law and somebody breaks it and somebody's injured.	02:50:00
	They are per se.	02:50:05
	Right. Negligence per se responsible for it.	02:50:07
	There's no obligation on the part of the municipality to really enforce any of its rules.	02:50:12
	Because there are all sorts of statutory immunities.	02:50:18
	That protect.	02:50:22
	The municipality.	02:50:24
	Municipality.	02:50:25
	Just for this, what we're talking about here. So are we opening up a?	02:50:27
	Can of worms per SE by sending it over to the CAC.	02:50:31
	Maybe. Are we bringing attention?	02:50:35
	Should be doing I think is that's probably the better question. That's a question for council. It's not opening a can of Worm	02:50:39
	well.	02:50:42
	It's not legally opening. I can't wear it. Might be politically open. I can't work. It's passing the book. Yeah, but it's not	02:50:45
	legally opening. And I think you might have some city.	02:50:50
	Commissioners.	02:50:55
	Who would need to recuse themselves because they live?	02:50:57
	Close to the beach.	02:51:00
	So that could be problematic.	02:51:01
	You only have to recuse yourself whether there's a conflict there or not.	02:51:03
	Yeah. But I do have a comment to hopefully help us move along because we've talked about definitions about what's a wheeled	02:51:08
	vehicle and I'm looking at the list of definitions I would like to.	02:51:13
	Whatever motion we decide on to include that staff, go back.	02:51:20
	And.	02:51:24
	Define wheeled vehicles.	02:51:25
	And maybe there's a difference between wheeled vehicles and motorized vehicles, but.	02:51:29
	The list of definitions needs to be.	02:51:34
	Updated. Modified.	02:51:37
	Could help. Is that a motion?	02:51:40
	Yeah, that's a motion.	02:51:43
	In in addition to the recommendations.	02:51:45
	That are here on the staff.	02:51:49
	Did you make a motion that we did?	02:51:52
	I'm going to withdraw my motion, OK.	02:51:54
	OK. OK. So I'll second.	02:51:56
	Councilmember Hernandez Motion.	02:51:58
	Great. So the recommendation and the staff report was the sign.	02:52:00
	Right, yes, OK, the sign and then ask staff to.	02:52:04
	Update these.	02:52:08
	Yeah, staff to update definition of will vehicle, so those two.	02:52:10
	So I don't see a need to go.	02:52:15
	Back to the citizens Advisory.	02:52:17
	No, OK.	02:52:19
	And we make sure we include #1.	02:52:22
	So our.	02:52:24
	Madam Chair.	02:52:26
	Doesn't have to tell me to come.	02:52:28
	Read it over.	02:52:29
	The first one was receive information regarding status of Electro motorized vehicles.	02:52:30
	And then the other one that.	02:52:35
	Direct staff to create science starts.	02:52:37
	Yeah, Elect.	02:52:40
	Motorized vehicles are not allowed.	02:52:41
	And then make sure that.	02:52:44
	Electric motorized vehicles are in the.	02:52:46
	Hard to find in the ordinance as well as wheeled vehicles.	02:52:48
	I second.	02:52:54
	Any other discussion?	02:52:57
	Madam Clerk, can we get the roll call, please?	02:52:59
	OK, all in favor.	02:53:01
	Aye, all opposed.	02:53:02
	Hearing none, motion passes unanimously.	02:53:04
	Great. Thank you. We will now move to the City Manager comments and reports.	02:53:07
	And thank you.	02:53:13
	Assistant City Manager.	02:53:14
	OK, so we have a couple of.	02:53:22
	Items we wanted to.	02:53:24
	Provide updates or reports on.	02:53:26
	And I think first was highlighting.	02:53:28
	Saturday's events.	02:53:32
	So I know we actually had a good turn out, especially for the tour. I wasn't sure.	02:53:33
	How many people would?	02:53:39
	How many people would turn out? But we actually had pretty 2 pretty big tour groups so.	02:53:40
	We had our official ribbon cutting of the playground at Bubbling Springs Park.	02:53:45
	All of the park amenities are open at this time.	02:53:51
	The.	02:53:56
	Soccer fields are opening for.	02:53:57
	Like general public use and what we're working towards getting some processes in place for.	02:53:59
	For that to sort of ex.	02:54:04
	Expand to some of the filled rental.	02:54:06
	Type options, but for now we have that open for public use.	02:54:09
	And so people can come check out.	02:54:12
	Basically everything that the park has to offer.	02:54:15
	I will just note that I went by the playground today.	02:54:18
	And there is a good probably 30 to 40 people out there.	02:54:22
	I think the timing was right. I ended up going by like 3:30 or so, but it was.	02:54:26
	Packed. Probably the busiest I've ever seen.	02:54:31
	The play like a play.	02:54:35
	A playground at Bubbling Springs, if you count the old one too, is the busiest I'd ever seen it so.	02:54:36
	People are getting out and exploring it and discovering so.	02:54:42
	The Shortly after that we celebrated with our.	02:54:50
	County Library team.	02:54:54
	For the Radi Pruder grand reopening and mural unveiling.	02:54:56
	And, umm.	02:55:00
	We have.	02:55:01
	Some photos here of the.	02:55:02
	Interior of the library, I think all of us.	02:55:04
	Agreed at the event that they did a great job with with that library and it looks like a new building on the inside. It's really.	02:55:07
	Nice and so.	02:55:14
	Nice, open and.	02:55:16
	Fresh, I think they talked a little bit about the HVAC improvements that now make that a clean air certified building.	02:55:22
	And uh.	02:55:29
	It's just a lot of good improvements there, so.	02:55:31
	And then the.	02:55:35
	We unveiled the officially unveiled the mural.	02:55:38
	The first city public art project.	02:55:42
	And so that is now open and available to see and.	02:55:44
	This handy guide that the library has, they actually have these inside at their counter, shows all the elements of that mural so.	02:55:50
	It's very cool.	02:55:57
	So that was a good day a lot of and and you know, I think people are excited about those two being open and back for the long	02:56:00
	term, so.	02:56:04
	Many good days of that.	02:56:08
	And so.	02:56:10
	Looking forward, we have a couple of things going on we have launched.	02:56:12
	Sort of the call for applications of the Veterans Advisory Ad Hoc Committee.	02:56:16
	And so.	02:56:21
	We have the QR code here.	02:56:22
	And the note that people can come to the City Clerk's office to get the application to apply to be.	02:56:25
	A representative and then those applications.	02:56:30
	Are due by June 2nd, about a month from now.	02:56:33
	And then?	02:56:36
	We'll be bringing those applications back to the Council shortly thereafter.	02:56:37
	Also, currently we have the nomination period for the 2025 Winimi Hero Award.	02:56:42
	Shown here.	02:56:49
	The 2024 winners Kevin Brandon from Real Guppy and George from the Ocean View Pavilion.	02:56:51
	And so we're looking for.	02:56:56
	2025 S Honorees.	02:56:58
	And and there's also a QR code.	02:57:00
	To submit the nomination for Hero.	02:57:03
	And then we have two upcoming.	02:57:07
	Events or.	02:57:09
	Deadlines and the first is on.	02:57:11
	I'll start with the soonest first, the community poster contest.	02:57:15
	Is currently open. It's open until May 15th. We actually extended it a couple of weeks because the school district had said that	02:57:20
	they needed.	02:57:23
	That they're planning to participate, but they asked us for a couple weeks more to.	02:57:28
	To have all their students participate.	02:57:32
	So the deadline has been extended to May 15th and.	02:57:34
	We're just reminding people to get their posters in for the Beach Fest poster contest.	02:57:38
	And then a reminder that on May 26, we are planning our.	02:57:43
	Memorial Day ceremony at 8:30 AM at Winnie Me Pier.	02:57:48
	For two weeks from now.	02:57:54
	We have.	02:57:57
	Two presentations, scheduled Public Works Week proclamation and their annual project update.	02:57:59
	Along with our.	02:58:05
	Arthritis Awareness Month proclamation That was the item that one of our local high school students had were.	02:58:07
	Requested and the council agreed to.	02:58:13
	Honor that this year, so that'll be coming forward as well.	02:58:15
	For the budget.	02:58:19
	I'm sorry for the agenda.	02:58:20
	Where we plan to have the in-depth.	02:58:22
	Workshop.	02:58:24
	With more detail in it.	02:58:26
	Now that we have the the big picture view, we're going to get more into the details.	02:58:29
	So that'll probably be the main event, so to speak, for that. May 19th.	02:58:34
	Agenda.	02:58:39
	We also council had requested an item to talk about goals and objectives for Beacon, so we'll be bringing that back as well.	02:58:41
	And then?	02:58:49
	We're working on an item.	02:58:50
	To get approval for procurement for a backup generator.	02:58:53
	At the Public Works Department.	02:58:56
	We are currently working with BCA PCD on that, so we'll be bringing it as long as we get.	02:58:59
	Everything taken care of through vcapcd.	02:59:05
	By then.	02:59:09
	So those are the items scheduled for May 19th.	02:59:10
	Mayor, I have a question about this.	02:59:13
	Something on this item?	02:59:15
	Mr. City Manager, has anyone got in touch with the student who requested that?	02:59:16
	A proclamation to see if she would come and accept it.	02:59:20
	Yes, I believe she is coming to that meeting.	02:59:23
	Our our clerk who?	02:59:27
	Was honored today.	02:59:30
	Reached out and coordinated that already always on it. Thank you.	02:59:31
	Showing off a little bit now, but.	02:59:36
	So that's the plan for May 19th and that is everything I have.	02:59:39
	All right. Any questions specifically?	02:59:43
	All right, we'll move on to council member reports and comments.	02:59:45
	I have nothing at this time.	02:59:51
	I participated in Take Five. I think a lot of us did.	02:59:55
	Oh man, that is the.	02:59:59
	That is a thing. It really is a thing.	03:00:02
	There's other opportunities to read to school children, but.	03:00:05
	Yeah, if you.	03:00:11
	Get a chance, I would strongly recommend doing it. I got to go on base.	03:00:13
	Naval Base Port Hueneme.	03:00:19
	Here uh.	03:00:21
	To the.	03:00:22
	To the preschool.	03:00:24
	These little kids.	03:00:26
	And I was exhausted after 45 minutes and I'm like.	03:00:27
	You know I have a.	03:00:32
	Such a high regard for preschool teachers. I mean, it's, it's a, it's a handful.	03:00:34
	So I got to read the book. Maria had a little llama.	03:00:39
	Yes.	03:00:43
	Yeah, I got to read if I cancel member gamma, yeah.	03:00:46
	So anyways I.	03:00:49
	Last Friday I had an hour and 20 minute conversation with Jason Hodge.	03:00:53
	From the port commissioners, I thought.	03:00:58
	I thought, you know, we need more of this and I hope that.	03:01:00
	Hope that we could find a way to.	03:01:04
	To bring individual council members with commissioners and have conversations that matter so that we could.	03:01:05
	I keep pursuing.	03:01:13
	Conversing with each other, working together.	03:01:15
	Working closely together. And I really was.	03:01:18
	Surprised.	03:01:21
	See how much Jason and I?	03:01:22
	Agree on.	03:01:25
	He lives over at Silverstrand Beach and.	03:01:27
	So it was a really good conversation, so I hope that.	03:01:30
	And I did mention to Kristen during our walk the other day that.	03:01:33
	Maybe we could.	03:01:37
	Come up with a way to to pair up and and start continuing to have conversations that matter for us.	03:01:39
	Beacon Sand Summit was completed.	03:01:47
	And and I'm really glad to see that agenda item like what what do we want out of Beacon? You know, we.	03:01:51
	We're we're looking.	03:01:58
	Forward to.	03:02:00
	To hopefully hearing from the Army Corps engineers, because we do.	03:02:01
	Have a.	03:02:06
	Significant problem and.	03:02:08
	Being able to look ahead is really important in this life that we live.	03:02:11
	And we know that if we don't get the Army Corps back here.	03:02:16
	In October, we're going to have a real problem, and it's.	03:02:21
	It's really interesting to watch and learn.	03:02:24
	But watch the sand as it's disappearing because it is really moving fast and so just.	03:02:29
	Look forward to that coming up.	03:02:35
	So the sand Summit.	03:02:36
	Basically.	03:02:38
	Now this was the 4th Sand Summit that Beacon has sponsored.	03:02:39
	Um, and the way.	03:02:44
	Doctor patch Doctor Kiki patch describes it is that.	03:02:46
	You know, the goal of the Sand Summit is to bring all the electeds and board members and.	03:02:51
	Regionally connected by a coastline.	03:02:56
	But to also learn and understand that we're.	03:02:59
	Each part of the coast that we operate is very different than the other one and it's all connected, but it's different.	03:03:03
	And so.	03:03:09
	She she does a wonderful job of bringing the group up and so.	03:03:10
	We're at the master level, oceanography.	03:03:15
	Point now where? Where?	03:03:19
	Now that conversations that.	03:03:21
	People associated with Beacon.	03:03:24
	Have are at a higher level of understanding.	03:03:26
	And the trick is is to make sure that.	03:03:29
	We're all not going to be here forever. We're going to move on. We're going to do this. We're going to pass on.	03:03:35
	But umm.	03:03:40
	You know, what do we pass on to the future leaders of our city?	03:03:41
	Hopefully we'll.	03:03:45
	Pass on a.	03:03:47
	A great understanding of how.	03:03:49
	How important it is to get that dredge operation up and running and get the sand that we need so.	03:03:51
	And.	03:03:59
	Of course, this weekend was wonderful.	03:04:00
	I am the library is just.	03:04:03
	Exceeded expectations beyond.	03:04:07
	Any reasonable amount? I mean it's just.	03:04:09
	So open and beautiful and I'm just so excited.	03:04:12
	50 years from now, it's gonna.	03:04:17
	It'll still be there doing its thing, so.	03:04:20
	Really appreciate all the work that staff did to bring us all together this weekend.	03:04:22
	Really enjoyed walking with the community. I mean it's just such a wonderful thing.	03:04:26
	I don't know how many people have.	03:04:31
	Hundreds, right?	03:04:33
	So thank you.	03:04:34
	Thank you, staff. Congratulations, Georgiana.	03:04:35
	Evelyn Umm.	03:04:38
	Look forward to.	03:04:40
	Continued success in keeping us organized and productive.	03:04:41
	Thank you Mayor. Last week I attended 2 conferences. I was at the.	03:04:48
	Clean Power Alliance conference on Monday and Tuesday and then Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.	03:04:52
	I was with Skag regional policy gathering.	03:04:58
	In Palm Palm Desert and both were really good conferences. Got little.	03:05:02
	Bits of information.	03:05:08
	On what both organizations are doing and.	03:05:10
	Hope to pass those on to our staff at some point.	03:05:14
	Next tomorrow I'm I'll be in Sacramento again with Skag to do some advocacy.	03:05:18
	Other than that, thank everybody for coming out to.	03:05:24
	The library opening and the mural.	03:05:28
	So-called unveiling. It was just a really nice event and thank you staff and everybody for.	03:05:31
	For contributing to the organization of that, I thought it was a really well.	03:05:36
	Attended event.	03:05:42
	And I just want to I looked at the newsletter for the.	03:05:43
	That was issued last week.	03:05:47
	Came out last week and I was just.	03:05:49
	I was so happy to see all the things that we're doing in there. And James, you're doing a great job with that newsletter. It just	03:05:51
	really captures.	03:05:55
	Everything the city is doing, so it just made me very proud and very happy.	03:05:58
	That we can.	03:06:04
	And the fact that you recap the council meetings is really helpful too, so I can carry that around and people want to know what's	03:06:05
	going on.	03:06:08
	It's a good refresher, so thank you for that.	03:06:11
	That's it. Thank you.	03:06:14
	Yes, I got to tour the United Water District watershed, Santa Clara River bottom.	03:06:18
	And it was actually very.	03:06:24
	Educational. Didn't know how.	03:06:28
	They we filled our water tables.	03:06:30
	Here in Ventura County and how we reclaim.	03:06:32
	The water runoff from the Santa Clara River bottom. So that was.	03:06:35
	That was an eye opener and I really.	03:06:39
	Really enjoyed that tour so you guys have.	03:06:41
	Not done it. I'd recommend it.	03:06:43
	I did get to golf with Commissioner Marianne Rooney in support of Veterans Gold Coast.	03:06:46
	And like Councilmember Gama said, you know, just good conversation.	03:06:53
	And and for a good cause, so that that was good to do.	03:06:59
	Saturday and Sunday I actually walked.	03:07:06
	Bubbling Richard Richard Bar, Bubbling Springs Park and to see everybody using the park.	03:07:08
	Was amazing.	03:07:15
	The covered patio was was being used.	03:07:18
	The soccer park.	03:07:22
	The baseball park.	03:07:24
	The playground.	03:07:26
	The dog park.	03:07:28
	All of it.	03:07:29
	I mean, there was probably.	03:07:30
	150 people at the park.	03:07:33
	And so it was exciting for the community to see that. So good job staff.	03:07:36
	City Manager.	03:07:40
	And council.	03:07:41
	That's all I got.	03:07:43
	Great. Thank you. And I'll just say Ditto. I really enjoyed this weekend and it was really.	03:07:45
	Nice seeing the residents come out and people from the community and people from outside the community.	03:07:50
	And so folks are going to be using the park that are from.	03:07:56
	The county, right.	03:07:59
	I agree with Mayor Pro Tem, it was just really nice to see the people out enjoying it.	03:08:02
	And see how excited that they are.	03:08:06
	To have.	03:08:09
	Public Springs Park.	03:08:11
	Renovated and the new library, it's just, it's been wonderful. It's just been wonderful.	03:08:12
	May I do have a comment before you move on?	03:08:16
	I did want to say something. OK, so I did attend the Sand Summit. So thank you both for giving me information.	03:08:19
	To be able to dial in and the information about the meeting. So I did participate in that.	03:08:26
	Learned second year. I participate, learn a lot each time I go.	03:08:30
	I did participate in the Moorpark City Hall grant opening.	03:08:35
	It's so nice if you have an opportunity.	03:08:39
	I think I'm saying it's so nice because I heard the horrors about the old one, which makes it, I'm sure, very nice.	03:08:43
	I will be on vacation starting Thursday. I'll be in Texas, my nieces graduating from college and I'll be back on.	03:08:51
	Early Monday morning.	03:08:59
	Finally.	03:09:01
	I wanted to share this. I don't know. I left before I was able to talk to council.	03:09:03
	Member Perez.	03:09:07
	I remember when you walked in the library on Saturday.	03:09:09
	Saturday, you said? I'm so glad they came.	03:09:12
	Kept the mosaic.	03:09:15
	Stream there.	03:09:18
	And so did everyone get a chance to meet.	03:09:19
	The artist who did that back in 1989, it was so funny because I got in line for Mr. Softee.	03:09:23
	And I needed to run in my car, so I just.	03:09:30
	Said to the lady. I said hey, can you hold my space? I'll be right back.	03:09:33
	And I came back and.	03:09:37
	The lady behind me said, oh, she said if someone comes back and says that.	03:09:41
	That I'm holding the line.	03:09:45
	She's not telling the truth.	03:09:47
	And I was like, and then we started talking and so I asked her, oh, So what do you do? Are you from?	03:09:49
	From Port Hueneme and she said, oh, I did the mosaic.	03:09:53
	And I was like, what?	03:09:58
	Wow, in 1989?	03:09:59
	And so I went back to Steve. I said, do you know this lady? I went back to Anna and Taylor and said, do you know this lady?	03:10:03
	But it was so just so nice.	03:10:10
	The whole thing.	03:10:12
	To kind of.	03:10:14
	Put it, put a hat on it, say and and she's here.	03:10:15
	She did that in 1989 and it's as beautiful today, I'm sure, as it was back then. So yeah, it was great.	03:10:18
	Being able to meet her so I got her card and so hope to be able to talk to her.	03:10:24
	About just.	03:10:29
	Art. All right.	03:10:31
	So that's all that I have.	03:10:33
	Councilmember Perez, I did. I just wanted to make to follow up that comment. The librarian was telling me that they did everything	03:10:35
	they could.	03:10:39
	To protect that, to make sure that that was salvage, it took a lot of work, but they 100% wanted that to be.	03:10:43
	Salvage and I just remember thinking when the flood came and the damage that was done, that's the first thought that came to my	03:10:49
	mind was Oh no, the.	03:10:53
	The mosaic because I remember seeing that, how beautiful it was when you cut.	03:10:56
	Come into the library and I'm just so happy that they did that.	03:11:00
	To talk about.	03:11:03
	What we do, the park and our staff and how.	03:11:05
	We do such a great job with community events.	03:11:08
	I see all over social media actually, people actually talk about us in our events and our park.	03:11:11
	And the things that we do and.	03:11:17
	Is in a negative way, but we're saying look what why Nimi's doing, why can't Oxnard or what can't other cities do this? So it is	03:11:19
	really nice.	03:11:22
	To see that the community outside of us actually pays attention to what we're doing, they're taking notice.	03:11:25
	And they're talking about it in their own communities, about how great we do for our own community.	03:11:31
	So thank you, Steph.	03:11:36
	So I took my wife today. You got to see the library. She's, you know, school teacher.	03:11:37
	Was a school teacher and.	03:11:42
	We went in today and.	03:11:45
	Every little corner there's somebody doing homework, a lady reading to her child. It was just just amazing. It's just so open and	03:11:47
	so.	03:11:51
	Just like what we all seen, like the park is busy, but you go inside the library and it's like it's.	03:11:56
	Exactly what you wish to see and it's something that we've been missing, so.	03:12:02
	I'm really excited.	03:12:08
	Just really nice.	03:12:10
	Great. Thank you.	03:12:12
	We're going to move on to future agenda items.	03:12:13
	Nothing. Councilmember Hernandez.	03:12:19
	I don't have an agenda item, but I would like to ask if we could endure in honor of the missing and murdered indigenous women.	03:12:21
	Everywhere that today is the National.	03:12:28
	Murdered Missing Indigenous Women's Day.	03:12:33
	And.	03:12:36
	Just like to.	03:12:37
	Acknowledge and remember those women who.	03:12:39
	Never returned home.	03:12:42
	Indigenous women.	03:12:44
	Do you have anything for tomorrow?	03:12:47
	OK, great. Thank you.	03:12:49
	If there's nothing else, we'll adjourn tonight's meeting. Umm.	03:12:51
	In the memory of those.	03:12:55
	MMIWMMIW.	03:12:58
	Women everywhere.	03:13:01
	And so we'll now adjourn the meeting at.	03:13:03
	The 9:41.	03:13:07
	Next scheduled meeting is May 19th at 6:30.	03:13:09

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	Good evening everyone. We'll go ahead and get started of the regular City Council meeting. Today is May the 5th.	00:02:26
	We'll call this meeting to order at 6:30.	00:02:33
	And we'll start with the flag salute. Councilmember Gamma, would you like to leave?	00:02:38
	I pledge allegiance to the flag.	00:02:48
	And to the Republic for which it stands.	00:02:52
	Thank you.	00:03:01
	All right, we'll move on to a roll call. Madam Clerk, please take role.	00:03:04
	Councilmember.	00:03:09
	Here, Councilmember Hernandez here, Councilmember Perez here, Mayor Pro Tem Lopez here, and Mayor McQueen Lashon here.	00:03:11
	And we're going to have Councilmember.	00:03:19
	Hernandez or inspiration this evening. Thank you mayor. Good evening everyone. As you know today is Cinco de Mayo and we're.	00:03:21
	Celebrating our cultural heritage on this day.	00:03:28
	Among other things, but I wanted to just read the story to you and.	00:03:33
	Provide a little education about the history of Cinco de Mayo.	00:03:38
	So bear with me, it's only a page long.	00:03:43
	Once Upon a time, in the heart of Mexico, there was a small town called Puebla.	00:03:46
	It was the year 1862 and the country was in turmoil.	00:03:50
	Mexico was facing a formidable challenge foreign invasion led by the French Empire, which sought to expand its influence.	00:03:54
	And control over the nation.	00:04:01
	The Mexican people were wary.	00:04:03
	From years of conflict and economic hardship, but they were determined to defend their homeland.	00:04:06
	In Puebla, a young general named Ignacio Zaragoza rallied his troops. He was not a man of great stature, but he possessed an	00:04:11
	indomitable spirit in a fierce love for his country.	00:04:17
	Zaragoza knew that the odds were stacked against them. The French army was well equipped and experienced, while his own soldiers	00:04:23
	were often poorly armed.	00:04:28
	And outnumbered.	00:04:33
	Yet he believed in the heart and resilience of his people.	00:04:34
	On May.	00:04:38
	5th 1862 The two armies clashed in a fierce battle.	00:04:39
	The French forces, confident in their superiority, expected an easy victory.	00:04:44
	But Zaragoza and his men fought with unparalleled courage. They were fueled not just by the desire to win, but by a deep sense of	00:04:49
	pride and unity.	00:04:54
	As the sun rose over the battlefield, the sounds of cannon fire and the cries of soldiers filled the air.	00:04:59
	Against all odds, the Mexican army emerged victorious that day.	00:05:06
	The Battle of Puebla became a symbol of resistance and hope, demonstrating that even the most powerful adversaries could be	00:05:10
	challenged by the spirit of a united people.	00:05:16
	The victory was celebrated not just in Puebla, but throughout Mexico and beyond.	00:05:21
	It ignited a sense of nationalism and pride that resonated with people far and wide.	00:05:26
	Has the years passed, Cinco de Mayo transformed from a local celebration into a national holiday. It became a day to honor the	00:05:33
	bravery of those who fought for freedom and to celebrate Mexican culture and heritage.	00:05:39
	Communities across Mexico and in the United States began to commemorate this day with parades, music.	00:05:46
	And traditional foods showcasing the rich tapestry of Mexican traditions.	00:05:53
	Today, Cinco de Mayo is not just a celebration of a historic battle.	00:05:58
	It is a reminder of the strength that comes from unity and resilience.	00:06:02
	It teaches us that no matter how daunting, the challenges we face.	00:06:06
	We can overcome them when we stand together.	00:06:10
	The spirit of Zaragoza and the brave soldiers of Puebla live.	00:06:13
	Inspiring generations to fight for their dreams and to celebrate their identities.	00:06:17
	So, as we gather to celebrate Cinco de Mayo, let us remember the lessons of history. Let us honor the courage of those who came	00:06:22
	before us, and embrace the diversity that enriches our lives.	00:06:28
	In every dance, every song, and every shared meal, we find a connection to our past and a promise.	00:06:34
	For our future, together we can create a world.	00:06:40
	Where hope and unity prevail, just as they did on that fateful day in Puebla.	00:06:43
	Thank you.	00:06:48
	Thank you.	00:06:49
	All right. I will now move to public comments. Madam Clerk, are there any public comments not pertaining to the agenda items? We	00:06:50
	have one public comment from Becky Bernie.	00:06:54
	Good evening, Mayor. Mayor Pro Tem.	00:07:07
	Council staff and audience.	00:07:10
	My name is Becky Bernie and I'm here.	00:07:12
	Representing Roke up the outdoors tonight.	00:07:15
	On June 1st, we're having our annual fundraiser dinner.	00:07:18
	We have like about 20 tickets left.	00:07:23
	So if you're interested.	00:07:26
	You better get.	00:07:28
	Thank you.	00:07:29
	That concludes public comment.	00:07:33
	Thank you.	00:07:35
	Now we'll move to the agenda review.	00:07:36
	May I have a motion and a second?	00:07:39
	Accept the agenda.	00:07:41
	Move to approve.	00:07:43
	2nd, 2nd.	00:07:45
	Thank you, Madam Clerk. All in favor.	00:07:46
	Aye, all opposed.	00:07:49
	Hearing none, motion passes unanimously.	00:07:51
	Thank you.	00:07:53
	Do we have any council members who have a conflict of interest as relates to any of our agendas items?	00:07:54
	If not, we'll move on to our presentation. So the first will be the peace Officers Memorial Day and National Police.	00:08:02
	Weak proclamation.	00:08:09
	And we'll have Police Commander Albertson to come up while our Mayor Pro Temp is reading the proclamation.	00:08:10
	OK Proclamation, Peace Officers, Memorial Day and National Police Week.	00:08:17
	Which is May 15th, 2025.	00:08:23
	And then May 11th.	00:08:25
	Through the 17th, 2025.	00:08:27
	Whereas the Congress and President of the United States have designated.	00:08:29
	May 15th as the National Peace Officers Memorial Day.	00:08:33
	With the week in which it falls.	00:08:36
	As police weekend, whereas there are approximately 900 law enforcement officers.	00:08:39
	Serving in communities across the United States, including.	00:08:44
	The dedicated members of the poor enemy Police Department.	00:08:47
	And whereas members of the Port Wayne Police Department recognize their duty to serve the people.	00:08:50
	By safeguarding life property.	00:08:55
	By protecting them against violence or disorder.	00:08:57
	And by protecting the innocent against.	00:09:00
	Deception and the weak against oppression.	00:09:02
	Or intimidation and whereas.	00:09:05
	It is proper that we express gratitude for the dedicated service and courageous deeds of the men and women of the police.	00:09:08
	The Port Wyoming Police Department.	00:09:14
	And for the contributions that they have had.	00:09:16
	Through the security and well-being of all people in our community and whereas more than two.	00:09:20
	20,000 Law enforcement officers, United States.	00:09:25
	Who have made the ultimate sacrifice?	00:09:28
	And have been killed in the line of duty.	00:09:30
	Including the sworn officers.	00:09:32
	In the County of Ventura, and whereas the names of the dedicated public servants are engraved on the walls.	00:09:34
	Of the National Law Enforcement Officer Memorial in Washington, DC.	00:09:40
	And whereas, May 15th, 2025 is designated as a National Peace Officers Memorial Day.	00:09:45
	In honor of the set.	00:09:51
	Service and sacrifices of all officers killed in the line of duty.	00:09:52
	And their families.	00:09:56
	Now.	00:09:57
	Be it proclaimed that the City Council of the city of Portland, Emily.	00:09:58
	Formally designates May 11th through the 17th, 2025 as Police Week.	00:10:02
	And May 15th, 2025 as peace officers Memorial Day.	00:10:07
	In the city of Port Hueneme.	00:10:11
	And publicly salute the service of the law enforcement officers in our community.	00:10:14
	And in the communities across the nation.	00:10:18
	Proclaimed this fifth day of May 2025.	00:10:20
	Thank you. Over to you commander.	00:10:24
	So on behalf of the men and women of the Police Department, I'd like to thank you for the proclamation.	00:10:26
	Chief sends his regrets. He's actually out the Sacramento event today.	00:10:31
	He'll be coming back this evening.	00:10:35
	And I just wanted to remind.	00:10:37
	Council and the public that.	00:10:39
	The Ventura County.	00:10:41
	Peace Officers Memorial is taking place on Wednesday, May 21st.	00:10:42
	At 10:00 AM up at the Government Center.	00:10:46
	So I would encourage you to attend. So it's really nice event and.	00:10:49
	Like to see everybody there.	00:10:53
	Thank you, 21. Great. Thank you so much.	00:10:54
	And go ahead.	00:10:59
	123.	00:11:17
	We'll move on to our next presentation.	00:11:31
	And that's the Mental Health Awareness Month proclamation.	00:11:35
	And I would imagine there is a representative.	00:11:38
	For doctor during say thank you.	00:11:42
	So we're going to have our councilmember Perez is going to read that and you can go ahead and come up if you'd like.	00:11:44
	Thank you.	00:11:51
	Mental Health Awareness Month May 2025 whereas there is a proven connection between good mental health and overall personal	00:11:52
	health.	00:11:56
	And whereas, according to the World Health Organization, over 450 million people suffer from a mental illness.	00:12:00
	And whereas suicide is the 10th leading cause of death in the United States and 2nd leading cause of death among people ages 10 to	00:12:06
	24.	00:12:10
	And 90% of people who die by suicide have an underlying mental illness.	00:12:15
	And whereas only one out of two people.	00:12:20
	With a serious form of mental illness, seeks treatment.	00:12:23
	For his or her mental illness.	00:12:26
	And whereas good mental health is critical to the well-being of our families, communities, schools and businesses.	00:12:28
	Whereas public education and civic activities can encourage mental health and help improve.	00:12:35
	The lives of individuals and families affected by mental illness.	00:12:42
	Whereas people with mental illness recover if given the necessary services and support in their communities.	00:12:46
	And whereas every citizen and community can make a difference in helping in the silence and stigma.	00:12:52
	That far too long have surrounded mental illness and discourage people from getting help.	00:12:58
	And whereas the City of Port Hueneme, Portoenia Police Department and agencies throughout the Ventura County will strive for	00:13:03
	community awareness and education.	00:13:07
	Are taking part in various events throughout the month of May.	00:13:11
	To create awareness and support those dealing with mental health issues.	00:13:15
	Now, therefore.	00:13:19
	Be proclaimed.	00:13:20
	Excuse me?	00:13:22
	That the City Council of the City of Port.	00:13:23
	Hereby recognizes and proclaims the month of May, 2025.	00:13:25
	As Mental Health Awareness Month.	00:13:29
	We call upon an increase in public understanding of the importance of mental health and to promote identification and treatment of	00:13:31
	mental illness.	00:13:35
	Thank you. I am not Doctor Dennering. I am Connie Moreno Peraza. I'm the assistant director of Ventura County Behavioral Health.	00:13:40
	I want to. I'm very honored and I'm very thankful that you are giving us this proclamation.	00:13:46
	Want to always always promote our accessing crisis line if I may 866-998-2243.	00:13:50
	We are 24/7, 365 days. We know there's a lot of folks suffering.	00:13:58
	Not just even even past a pandemic.	00:14:03
	But we are seeing our young people suffering also from anxiety, depression, suicidality, suicide attempts.	00:14:06
	Please, let's stay connected with our young people. One in five adults are suffering from an illness.	00:14:12
	As you mentioned, although the statistics that are very, very concerning, we are here to help.	00:14:18
	We come to port with me to serve those in need, and we are very thankful for this proclamation.	00:14:23
	Thank you.	00:14:29
	Thank you so much.	00:14:30
	We'd like to get a photo.	00:14:31
	Can you repeat that number again please?	00:14:33
	Thank you.	00:14:36
	Actually, we just centralized our both alcohol and drug and mental health lines, so 866.	00:14:39
	998-2243 Folks can call for either a mental health condition or an addiction.	00:14:45
	Thank you.	00:14:53
	123.	00:15:03
	Thank you so much.	00:15:09
	And for our last.	00:15:17
	Presentation.	00:15:19
	A very important one.	00:15:22
	I'd like to invite up our city clerk.	00:15:23
	Staff Mr. Jenna Alvarez and Miss.	00:15:26
	Evelyn Blvd.	00:15:30
	Kia.	00:15:33
	Right.	00:15:35
	Yeah.	00:15:39
	I had a Machaka for breakfast today in celebration of Cinco de Mayo.	00:15:42
	At the Grand Casa restaurant in Oxnard, Nice.	00:15:46
	56th Annual Professional Municipal Clerks Week, May 4th through the 10th, 2025.	00:15:51
	Whereas the Office of Professional Municipal Clerk, a time honored and vital part of local government, exists throughout the	00:15:57
	world.	00:16:00
	And whereas the office of professional Municipal clerk is the oldest among.	00:16:04
	Public servants.	00:16:09
	And whereas the office of the professional municipal clerk provides the professional link between.	00:16:10
	The citizens, the local governing bodies and agencies of government.	00:16:18
	At other levels and.	00:16:22
	Whereas professional municipal clerks have pledged to be.	00:16:24
	Ever mindful of their neutrality and impartiality, rendering equal service to all.	00:16:29
	And whereas a professional municipal clerk serves as the Information Center.	00:16:34
	On functions of local government.	00:16:39
	And community and whereas professional municipal Kirk's clerks continues.	00:16:41
	Continually strive to improve the administration.	00:16:47
	Of the affairs of the Office of the Professional Municipal Clerk through participation and education programs, seminars,	00:16:50
	workshops, and the annual meetings of their state.	00:16:55
	Provincial, county and international professional organizations and.	00:17:00
	Whereas it's most important that we recognize the accomplishments of the office of the professional municipal clerk.	00:17:06
	Now.	00:17:13
	Therefore.	00:17:13
	Be it proclaimed that the City Council of the City of Port Hueneme does hereby recognize the week of May 4th through the 10th.	00:17:14
	2025.	00:17:22
	As professional municipal clerks week.	00:17:24
	And further extends appreciation to our professional municipal clerk staff. Thank you very much.	00:17:27
	Our city Clerk, Georgiana Alvarez and Administrative Service Coordinator.	00:17:33
	Evelyn Gouian.	00:17:38
	To all professional municipal clerks for the vital services they perform and their exemplary dedication to the communities they	00:17:40
	represent.	00:17:45
	Proclaim this fifth day of May 2025. Thank you so much and I think.	00:17:49
	All of us are indebted to the work that our city clerk, Georgiana does. And there's.	00:17:54
	Support with Evelyn and I appreciate, appreciate you every time we're up here and all the work that goes into getting us.	00:17:59
	What we need?	00:18:06
	I just, sorry, just wanted to say on behalf of the municipal clerks everywhere, I want to thank you for this proclamation	00:18:08
	recognizing and highlighting all the work that we do.	00:18:13
	I invited Evelyn here with me tonight. As many of you know, she's our Administrative Services Coordinator who works in the City	00:18:19
	Clerk's office part time.	00:18:23
	I wanted her to share in this moment because she's part of the success of the city clerk's office.	00:18:27
	And also maybe one day she might cover a meeting for me.	00:18:31
	Being in the clerk's office isn't easy, and there's a certification process to go through. The 1st certification is a certified	00:18:36
	Municipal clerk, the second one being a Master Municipal Clerk. And I'm proud to say that you have a master municipal clerk	00:18:41
	serving you. Yes.	00:18:45
	There are lots of regulations and government codes that you have to know, the Brown Egg Political Reform Act, Public Records Act,	00:18:53
	and Evelyn is familiarizing herself with them and she's working her way through that.	00:18:58
	Umm, it's an honor to serve in this role. It's often behind the scenes, but we take a light or a lot of pride in making sure it	00:19:04
	runs smoothly.	00:19:08
	So I'm truly grateful for your continued support and recognition from City Council and the community.	00:19:12
	And I need to give a.	00:19:18
	Special thank you to Deputy City Manager Charles Peretz.	00:19:20
	And City Manager James Vega for their trust and supports because it makes this job a lot easier.	00:19:24
	Ellen.	00:19:30
	I just want to thank everybody for bearing with me. I'm new to the role, so I'm very appreciative of Georgiana and kind of	00:19:33
	following in her footsteps. So I thank you all.	00:19:37
	Thank you. We're going to take a picture and maybe Adam, could you take our picture for us? Thank you.	00:19:43
	Oh, I'm sorry.	00:19:57
	Oh yeah.	00:20:03
	I don't know one more step.	00:20:16
	Perfect.	00:20:20
	Two and three.	00:20:23
	So I would like to thank Georgiana for keeping us organized and making sure that we are aware of all of our training, our	00:20:37
	requirements, everything that we need to do. You're not our secretary, but boy, you sure keep us up to date on everything. And I	00:20:43
	appreciate you. You go above and beyond, especially with this, I told her in the beginning.	00:20:49
	You have too much to do. You don't need to make me a binder. Just give me a packet and I'll figure it out. But she insisted.	00:20:55
	On this beautiful binder and making sure that we are all.	00:21:02
	In Sync and have everything that we need. So thank you, Georgiana.	00:21:05
	Yes, yes. Thank you, Evelyn and Tortiana, you know when I see you.	00:21:10
	At work and when I interface with you, two things come to mind. Professionalism and effectiveness. You both are just, I'm just, I	00:21:15
	feel so proud of you when I see Evelyn running around City Hall and taking care of business. And every dealing I've had with you,	00:21:21
	Evelyn, and of course Georgiana has been nothing but just perfection. You're always taking good, good care of me and good care of	00:21:27
	this council. Thank you so much for all you do.	00:21:33
	Yes, just thank you since coming on the Council, you've been very helpful and.	00:21:42
	And just.	00:21:47
	Super, super nice and.	00:21:49
	Just want to thank the service is excellent. You and you and Evelyn do a great job. So I'm really appreciative of it. Thank you.	00:21:51
	OK, great. Did you have something else?	00:21:58
	Just want to thank you both. Appreciate.	00:22:00
	All the work you do for us and the attitude and the.	00:22:02
	Make us feel good when we.	00:22:07
	Don't know what we're up against or losing stuff and just it's just great to have your support. So thank you.	00:22:09
	Yes, and I'll just say Ditto.	00:22:15
	Guys are doing a great job.	00:22:17
	OK, so we will now.	00:22:19
	Recessed the City Council meeting and call to order.	00:22:22
	The Port Hueneme Housing Authority regular meeting. We will.	00:22:26
	Take roll call, please, Madam Clerk.	00:22:30
	Member Gama.	00:22:33
	Here. Here, Member Hernandez.	00:22:36
	Present member.	00:22:39
	Press here. Member Brown.	00:22:40
	Here.	00:22:43
	Vice Chair.	00:22:45
	Lopez.	00:22:47
	And Chair McQueen Lejeune here and let the record reflect that Member Blackwell is absent.	00:22:48
	Great. Thank you. Madam Clerk, are there any public comments?	00:22:55
	No public comments.	00:22:59
	OK. We will now consider the items on the Housing Authority Consent Calendar, which is enacted in one motion.	00:23:02
	Unless an authority member would like to pull an item.	00:23:08
	Move approval.	00:23:13
	2nd.	00:23:14
	Great roll call please. All in favor, aye?	00:23:15
	All opposed.	00:23:19
	Hearing none, motion passes unanimously.	00:23:20
	OK, we will now.	00:23:23
	OK, we'll now move to the Housing Authority policy.	00:23:28
	Public hearing.	00:23:30
	The 202520295 year public housing agency.	00:23:32
	Plan and capital fund five year plan.	00:23:36
	Madam Clerk, do you have proof of publication as required by law?	00:23:39
	And a complete file of reports and exhibits. Yes, Madam Mayor.	00:23:43
	Great. Thank you.	00:23:47
	Will staff please present the report?	00:23:49
	Yes, Thank you, Mayor.	00:23:53
	All public housing authorities, ourselves included, are required to review, update and amend.	00:23:57
	Our housing agency plan every five years.	00:24:03
	This update would be the 2025 to 2029 five Year Public Housing Agency plan.	00:24:06
	We are required to hold a public hearing after a 45 day comment period has elapsed.	00:24:15
	We are here today to hold that public hearing.	00:24:20
	And as part of that public hearing, staff is recommending that council adopt A resolution or I'm sorry that the Housing Authority	00:24:22
	board adopt A resolution.	00:24:27
	Approving the five year plan. The Housing Authority five year.	00:24:31
	Public agency.	00:24:35
	Plan and a capital fund five year action plan.	00:24:37
	One of the main changes this year.	00:24:42
	Is umm.	00:24:45
	To the.	00:24:46
	Housing Authority admission and continued occupancy policy or a cop?	00:24:49
	And the Housing Choice Voucher administrative plan.	00:24:54
	And so.	00:24:58
	We have to implement those items by July 1st 2025.	00:24:59
	That is reflected in the plan.	00:25:03
	And uh.	00:25:05
	We noted in our staff report that the agency is.	00:25:06
	Currently waiting on the the Hud's software vendor to update the system so that the city can or the Public housing agency can	00:25:11
	transition to the new regulations.	00:25:16
	So that's one of the main items addressed in the plan.	00:25:21
	Other than that, it was fairly consistent with the with the prior plan so staff is recommending.	00:25:25
	That the Housing Authority board adopt A resolution approving.	00:25:31
	The five year plan and the capital Fund plan at this time.	00:25:35
	Great. Does any board members have any questions?	00:25:41
	I got one question.	00:25:47
	So I know they've been putting off.	00:25:50
	Fix finish in fixing up inside the.	00:25:54
	The building.	00:25:59
	Marvelous to hear.	00:26:01
	You know, the carpets are so old.	00:26:04
	And they were.	00:26:09
	They've been telling us they're going to replace them. I don't know.	00:26:12
	That they have the funding.	00:26:16
	Or they're just waiting for something, you know, but.	00:26:18
	I was just hoping that they would do that pretty soon.	00:26:23
	And what I will say related to this plan is that as part of this.	00:26:29
	The five year capital program plan includes.	00:26:34
	$227,000 of capital.	00:26:38
	Program projects for each year of those five years.	00:26:42
	Which?	00:26:46
	Ends up totaling over $1,000,000 so.	00:26:47
	There is work.	00:26:49
	Intended.	00:26:51
	Are included with the Five year plan.	00:26:53
	Thank you. Thank you.	00:26:55
	Great. Any other questions?	00:26:59
	OK.	00:27:01
	We will now open the public hearing and take public comments.	00:27:03
	The time is now 655. Are there any public comments regarding this item?	00:27:08
	No public comments.	00:27:13
	We will then now close or conclude the public comments portion. I will now close it and the time is now 655.	00:27:16
	We have before us the recommendation to adopt the resolution approving the housing authorities 2025 through 2029 five year plan	00:27:24
	and it's.	00:27:29
	Capital fund, five year action plan and budget.	00:27:34
	May I have a motion?	00:27:37
	And a second.	00:27:39
	Move to approve.	00:27:40
	2nd.	00:27:42
	Great. Is there any discussion?	00:27:43
	There's no discussion. Madam Clerk, please take role.	00:27:48
	Member Brown.	00:27:52
	Yes or yes?	00:27:55
	Member comma.	00:27:56
	Yes, member Perez.	00:27:58
	Yes. Member Hernandez, Yes. Vice Chair Lopez, Yes. And Chair McQueen, Legend, Yes. Motion passes with Blackwell absent.	00:28:00
	Thank you. We'll now move to the authority members reports.	00:28:08
	Any reports?	00:28:12
	Any comments?	00:28:15
	Move on to any future.	00:28:19
	Agenda items.	00:28:21
	Great. If there are nothing, if there's nothing else, we'll go ahead and adjourn this meeting. The time is now 656.	00:28:26
	And the next regular scheduled meeting is June 2nd, 2025 at 6:30 PM.	00:28:34
	The time is now.	00:28:42
	Again 656.	00:28:43
	OK, now we're going to call to order the special joint meeting of the City Council.	00:28:46
	Housing Authority and surplus property authority Commission.	00:28:53
	Madam Clerk, please take a roll call.	00:28:58
	Member Brown.	00:29:01
	Here Council member, Member, Commissioner Gama.	00:29:02
	I am here.	00:29:08
	Councilmember, Member Commissioner Hernandez here.	00:29:10
	Councilmember Member Commissioner Perez here.	00:29:14
	And Mayor Pro Tem Vice Chair, Vice President Lopez.	00:29:17
	Here and Mayor, Chair and President McQueen Legend here.	00:29:22
	Member Blackwell is absent.	00:29:27
	Great. Thank you.	00:29:29
	We're going to move to public hearing item number 7, the Biennial.	00:29:30
	Budget Fiscal year 20/25/2020 through 2026 and.	00:29:35
	2026 through 2027 Budget Workshop.	00:29:40
	Madam Clerk, do you have proof of publication as required by law?	00:29:44
	And the complete file of reports and exhibits.	00:29:48
	Yes, Madam Mayor.	00:29:51
	Thank you. Will staff please present the report.	00:29:53
	Yes, thank you.	00:29:56
	So today's Budget workshop #1 for this year's two year budget process for fiscal years 2526 and 2627.	00:29:57
	We expect to have a second budget workshop in two weeks, followed by proposing adoption of the budget.	00:30:08
	Two weeks from that point in early June.	00:30:15
	And so.	00:30:18
	We really wanted to start today with really very high level big picture.	00:30:19
	Conversation.	00:30:24
	I think.	00:30:26
	As we go through the budget.	00:30:28
	It'll be clear.	00:30:30
	Why we're sort of starting big picture this year, I think we're sort of in the midst of.	00:30:31
	A couple of changes and we sort of want to.	00:30:36
	Kind of make sure we take the time and.	00:30:40
	Identify that.	00:30:42
	That everybody sort of sees the direction where we are going and then we'll be asking the council for.	00:30:44
	To provide direction from there.	00:30:51
	But we wanted to start.	00:30:53
	Here before we really.	00:30:55
	Dig into the details of the proposed budget at the second workshop.	00:30:57
	And so.	00:31:02
	We wanted to focus on the big picture.	00:31:04
	We wanted to talk about.	00:31:07
	Sort of entering a new phase with our budget.	00:31:10
	As.	00:31:13
	We look at the next two years and understanding of what would be a sustainable budget for the city.	00:31:16
	And what we expect to be.	00:31:23
	Sustainable for the next couple of years.	00:31:25
	And we've had a lot in our city of.	00:31:29
	Sort of peaks and valleys in our history where we've had years where.	00:31:32
	We did new things and revenues might have gone up a lot and then years where that went away and so.	00:31:36
	We wanted to really start by just talking about what what is a normal budget for the city.	00:31:42
	And how do we avoid sort of cycles of spending and then cycles of reduction?	00:31:47
	Moving forward.	00:31:52
	And how do we just have a sustainable, consistent budget?	00:31:53
	So I mentioned earlier that we're here at the start of a second phase, I think.	00:31:58
	It's since the day I started.	00:32:02
	We really were looking to try to get ahead of the cannabis.	00:32:06
	Business.	00:32:10
	Revenue reductions.	00:32:11
	We we knew that that that the reductions were coming. We tried to.	00:32:13
	Adjust our.	00:32:17
	Spending to be sort of back to the pre cannabis levels.	00:32:19
	And I think that we're at a point here today where.	00:32:23
	We essentially had gotten there.	00:32:28
	And we expected that.	00:32:31
	To sort of be a place where we could.	00:32:33
	Stop and maybe take a.	00:32:35
	A breath.	00:32:38
	Kind of prepare for the next challenge.	00:32:41
	I think what we've seen over the last couple of weeks, I know I've sent some updates on some things, but is that the next	00:32:43
	challenge?	00:32:47
	Appears to be here.	00:32:51
	The the new word of the day that we've heard really consistently, we're hearing it from other cities, other agencies.	00:32:53
	I think it's the it's going to be what we hear for the next few months at least, is the phrase economic uncertainty.	00:33:01
	We've had.	00:33:09
	Consultants who work for the city, who advise on things like sales tax and.	00:33:10
	Things like that. Call us and say due to economic uncertainty we are revising your revenue projections down.	00:33:15
	Due to economic uncertainty, we are expecting that these things will cost more.	00:33:21
	So, umm.	00:33:25
	The keyword we want to focus on cuz.	00:33:27
	I think over the last couple weeks we really sort of had to stop and go, OK, we've we've gotten to a more balanced sustainable	00:33:30
	level. We still have.	00:33:34
	Some small things we're trying to work through, but we've gotten to a more sustainable position.	00:33:38
	But now we're hearing this uncertainty word and how?	00:33:42
	Much do we react?	00:33:46
	To that and and what would be overreacting to that and we want to be careful not to do that so.	00:33:47
	So and and the the keyword being uncertain is important because.	00:33:53
	I think what we are going to see this year is that every few months I think we'll have a clearer picture of.	00:33:59
	What's going to happen? And we'll be making more adjustments during the year.	00:34:06
	Versus right now trying to guess at.	00:34:11
	You know, will next year be.	00:34:14
	Positive or negative so?	00:34:16
	So we note that at the end of the slide saying expect to have budget adjustments.	00:34:19
	Throughout the year.	00:34:24
	So sort of going back to that phase one, Phase 2.	00:34:27
	The last two years were focused on trying to.	00:34:31
	Make sure we weren't being too reliant on cannabis revenues.	00:34:35
	Which also I think one of the key points we wanted to highlight there is that the cannabis revenues have.	00:34:38
	Multiple impacts because they also impact sales tax and measure you.	00:34:44
	So losing cannabis revenue?	00:34:48
	Actually impacts.	00:34:51
	Three key revenues.	00:34:53
	And so.	00:34:54
	As when we spoke in September of 2023 and we had identified that as a major concern.	00:34:56
	At that time, it doesn't sound that long ago, but at that time, Oxnard and Ventura still hadn't issued permits to any dispensaries	00:35:02
	within their cities.	00:35:06
	And so we had talked about at that time.	00:35:10
	Let's try to get ahead of it. Let's try to start paring down that spending.	00:35:12
	And I think what happened, what we saw is that they did finally get open, if everybody remembers.	00:35:16
	Oscar and Ventura both had challenges where they had to restart their permitting processes and so.	00:35:22
	So at that time, it was sort of like unclear how long that would take, but they did get their dispensaries open.	00:35:28
	They opened up.	00:35:34
	Many, uh.	00:35:35
	I know that there's a couple still in progress and everything, but I know.	00:35:37
	I had heard at least a dozen.	00:35:40
	And so.	00:35:43
	Um, that impact that we were trying to get in front of happened.	00:35:45
	Quickly.	00:35:49
	And so the hope was that we were going to be proactive, get in front of it.	00:35:50
	And have some time where we.	00:35:54
	Kind of got ready for it, but I.	00:35:57
	It was good that we were proactive, but it ended up happening, you know, right, right, right away, basically.	00:36:00
	So this chart shows.	00:36:07
	Like we talked about.	00:36:10
	Sort of that double effective sales tax and cannabis.	00:36:11
	The fact that when cannabis sales drop, it also impacts sales tax.	00:36:15
	Again, we sat here in September of 2023, which would be.	00:36:19
	Would have been about where that peak was.	00:36:23
	And we said we thought there was a drop coming and so.	00:36:27
	You can see that it did, in fact.	00:36:30
	Occur and it dropped pretty significantly.	00:36:33
	I think at the time we spoke there was maybe some.	00:36:35
	Thought that well it might drop it. It won't drop back to the level that it.	00:36:38
	You know that historically had been because it should be something but.	00:36:42
	You can see from the.	00:36:46
	From the chart that it.	00:36:48
	Really has dropped back to sort of the historic level.	00:36:49
	So, umm.	00:36:52
	Again.	00:36:55
	I think one of the key points I want to highlight is when we look at expenditures in a couple of minutes.	00:36:56
	We have been trying to reduce them.	00:37:01
	But that drop was so.	00:37:03
	Kind of quick and steep that it's a struggle to kind of.	00:37:05
	Even being proactive to really match that level of decline, so.	00:37:10
	So as.	00:37:19
	As discussed, the city took efforts immediately to try to correct.	00:37:21
	And prepare for for that decline.	00:37:27
	If you remember in September of 2023.	00:37:30
	City Council prudently approved postponing.	00:37:34
	Millions of dollars of capital improvement projects that would have.	00:37:37
	Essentially, utilize the city's reserves.	00:37:41
	We took some of those dollars from some of those projects and we put those towards completing Bubbling Springs Park.	00:37:45
	To ensure that we didn't run out of funding for Bubbling Springs Park.	00:37:51
	And then some of those dollars just got programmed into future.	00:37:54
	CIP projects but.	00:37:58
	That was a key thing to avoid.	00:38:00
	Sort of draining the reserves.	00:38:03
	All at once when? When those revenues were at a peak.	00:38:05
	And then there was direction for staff to continue working towards balancing the budget.	00:38:09
	We have have continued to work towards doing that, reducing costs sort of across the board.	00:38:14
	Including just at the last council meeting, we reduced the cost of the broadband master plan by about $5 million.	00:38:19
	And so we've just consistently been looking at everything we do and how we can do it more efficiently.	00:38:25
	Or, umm.	00:38:31
	You know, identify maybe portions of plans and projects that are not priorities at this time.	00:38:34
	So we've consistently worked towards that.	00:38:40
	And then as you can see there, we we show the full time employee count.	00:38:42
	Which shows that.	00:38:48
	Again, when we look at, you know, sort of what was normal.	00:38:50
	Was 22, you know, fiscal year 2223 normal or was?	00:38:53
	You know was normal before that.	00:38:58
	And you can see that that year and going back quickly.	00:39:00
	The years where the cannabis revenue spiked.	00:39:05
	That employees.	00:39:08
	Employee counts also spiked.	00:39:10
	And.	00:39:12
	That's a challenge.	00:39:13
	We'll talk more about.	00:39:15
	Personnel costs in the future, but.	00:39:16
	Once you add an employee, it's an ongoing cost and it's very difficult to then.	00:39:19
	When you see revenues drop.	00:39:26
	Also, drop your expenditures. It's just.	00:39:28
	It's an ongoing cost that doesn't allow you to do that.	00:39:31
	So this chart shows the sales tax in cannabis revenues again.	00:39:36
	Overlaid over it and orange.	00:39:40
	Is actually our full time employee count.	00:39:43
	And so you can see.	00:39:45
	Sort of how it spiked with the cannabis revenue coming in.	00:39:47
	And that from before the cannabis revenue started to decline, we were trying to already start.	00:39:51
	Identify some savings by attrition.	00:39:56
	But.	00:39:58
	It hasn't.	00:40:00
	Declined to the.	00:40:02
	Same degree or with that same.	00:40:05
	Kind of steep decline that the revenue has because ongoing costs are more difficult to.	00:40:09
	To reduce.	00:40:14
	And so that then reflects in this general fund expenditures chart.	00:40:17
	Where you can see sort of similarly there was that spike just like we showed on those other slides in about fiscal year 2223.	00:40:21
	And then?	00:40:28
	As we have been starting to try to taper down, you can see how costs started to come down a little bit.	00:40:30
	But then you can see it's starting to go back up.	00:40:35
	And that reflects the challenge that we have that everything we do is getting more expensive.	00:40:37
	So even cutting.	00:40:43
	Or if we went back to that FTE count, even having fewer employees.	00:40:45
	This year than last.	00:40:49
	Costs still go up.	00:40:51
	Because each one is more expensive.	00:40:53
	So it's.	00:40:55
	Sort of just reflects that challenge of.	00:40:58
	Managing our expenditures, I think.	00:41:02
	A lot of cities are.	00:41:04
	Seeing it right now of like costs have really increased and.	00:41:06
	It's creating this.	00:41:09
	This challenge.	00:41:11
	We've been proactive to sort of try to address it, but you can still see how it's it's it's going to be an ongoing challenge.	00:41:13
	Every year when you look ahead, every year.	00:41:19
	That that.	00:41:22
	Move forward, there's going to be a constant like expenditures rising and we'll have to try to keep them.	00:41:25
	Within revenues?	00:41:32
	And so this is I mentioned personnel earlier.	00:41:35
	For us.	00:41:39
	Just kind of seeing the big picture.	00:41:41
	Personnel costs are about 70% of our general fund budget.	00:41:43
	Personnel costs, which include salaries, benefits are about $20 million of our $27 million budget.	00:41:48
	And so.	00:41:55
	Sort of across like right off the top.	00:41:56
	If you cut everything else and we don't have computers or you know.	00:41:59
	Printers. Or you know anything to work with? Any tools?	00:42:04
	Our costs would be $20 million. So it's there's your kind of hard floor, you know.	00:42:07
	So, umm.	00:42:13
	So if that's the case.	00:42:15
	You don't have much wiggle room when revenues start to drop.	00:42:18
	I would.	00:42:23
	Say that there's some agencies around us who have a very different.	00:42:25
	Personnel cost.	00:42:29
	We'll compare that when we come back for our workshop. We'll compare it to some other cities and.	00:42:33
	And kind of spell that out, but.	00:42:37
	There are other agencies near us that.	00:42:40
	Use a lower percentage of their annual.	00:42:43
	Budget for personnel costs and that so.	00:42:46
	So it's just important to know that because even if you tried to cut everything else, you can't.	00:42:49
	We can't really cut that unless you're looking at.	00:42:53
	Reducing personnel, essentially.	00:42:56
	So so.	00:42:59
	Why is that important? Because it sort of speaks to the challenge that.	00:43:02
	You know, I've heard some people say, well.	00:43:07
	Like we could wait and we can just make severe reductions in the future.	00:43:09
	And but if our personnel costs are $20 million?	00:43:13
	You really can't.	00:43:17
	Reduce that far down South.	00:43:18
	So it's sort of important to just know that that.	00:43:21
	That is that cost and.	00:43:25
	And it makes it difficult. There's not a whole lot of wiggle room.	00:43:27
	So, So what we have been doing though is that as we've had positions become vacant.	00:43:30
	We've looked at reorganizing, restructuring.	00:43:37
	Combining positions.	00:43:40
	Like we, we started off looking at that full time employee count and.	00:43:43
	You can see that just.	00:43:48
	You know, 5-6 years ago we had significantly fewer employees.	00:43:49
	So a lot of it is sort of pairing back to.	00:43:52
	What we used to do.	00:43:56
	And.	00:43:57
	That's not necessarily easy. It's not necessarily what we want to do.	00:43:59
	But it's what we can afford, so we're we're.	00:44:05
	Continuing to do that.	00:44:08
	We've asked our employees to do more.	00:44:10
	Do more with less resources.	00:44:13
	I think.	00:44:16
	I'm proud to say that I think we have done more with less resources over the last couple years.	00:44:16
	But it's also important to note that at some point you can't keep doing more with with less resources, so.	00:44:21
	I think.	00:44:27
	We struggle right now to kind of make to put together a balanced budget. That's one of the challenges we're running into.	00:44:28
	So we have successfully been able to keep.	00:44:35
	To reduce operating expenses.	00:44:38
	Them at a lower level, they're starting to get pushed back up because of the significant on.	00:44:40
	Cost increases across the board.	00:44:47
	I know I mentioned this at the last council meeting, but just one example that.	00:44:50
	That people wouldn't think of.	00:44:54
	On top of the 20 million in personnel costs, we also just have some hard costs like the cost of the city to have insurance.	00:44:56
	And our insurance.	00:45:02
	In the last couple weeks, was increased from.	00:45:04
	We pay about $1.8 million for insurance and it went up.	00:45:07
	I think it ends up being like 12% to about $2,000,000.	00:45:11
	So when we're.	00:45:15
	You know, we're looking at trying to.	00:45:16
	Keep increases from going up more than a couple percent, but if you get a couple of bills like that, it kind of throws off your	00:45:19
	whole.	00:45:22
	Your whole plan.	00:45:26
	So we wanted to show this just to show that we have been really trying to hold the operating budgets.	00:45:30
	Tight and we have really increased it, I think you could see.	00:45:35
	Here and you can see here that.	00:45:40
	There's a few.	00:45:43
	Things I'll point out, but looking first at expenses.	00:45:44
	So when we made those adjustments in September of 2023, we were able to reduce our expenditures down to about 27.15 million.	00:45:48
	In 20/24/25.	00:45:56
	Our operating budget.	00:45:59
	Went up to about 28.7 million.	00:46:00
	And you'll notice that that's a trend that essentially when we set our budget the second year.	00:46:03
	Increases about $1,000,000 because.	00:46:09
	Because of.	00:46:12
	Colas.	00:46:13
	Negotiated increases.	00:46:16
	And so then.	00:46:18
	This year we're looking to try to reduce it back down.	00:46:19
	From that high of 28.75.	00:46:24
	And we're still working on it. But when we put this report together, we were down to 28.17 million.	00:46:27
	Which is actually significantly lower than where we started.	00:46:33
	If you remember in February, we got a presentation from the finance director that there was about a.	00:46:37
	$2.4 million gap at that time and.	00:46:41
	You can see here that when we put this together, we were.	00:46:44
	Down to maybe 4 or $500,000 gap.	00:46:47
	So we're working on it. We're still working on trying to get balanced, but.	00:46:51
	But you can see we.	00:46:55
	Worked on it. We reduced it down because it would have trended up to about 29 and a half million.	00:46:57
	So we reduced it down to about 28.17.	00:47:02
	But then right away you see that the second year because of.	00:47:05
	You know, colas and merit increases and things.	00:47:09
	It already would go back up.	00:47:12
	Like another $1,000,000 again. So.	00:47:14
	That's a battle we're facing because when you look at the revenues.	00:47:16
	The revenues aren't really going up.	00:47:21
	Are not anywhere near as fast as the expenditures are.	00:47:23
	The revenues as you can see here, 27.2 million to 27.5, about a $300,000 increase.	00:47:26
	And then we're looking at 27.7.	00:47:33
	Our 27.8 however year round.	00:47:36
	Next year, so maybe a $300,000 increase and then?	00:47:39
	We did get an update from our sales tax consultants who look at sales tax and measure you and they're saying.	00:47:44
	That.	00:47:50
	Due to economic uncertainty, which will be the word of the day.	00:47:52
	That they're actually suggesting we revise that even down a little bit more now, so.	00:47:55
	So flat revenues and expenditures going up because everything's getting more expensive.	00:48:00
	Just big picture, it means it's going to be tough to stay balanced. You know, each year it's going to be an ongoing battle.	00:48:06
	And that's where we're looking at some things right now to sort of try to figure out how to.	00:48:12
	Structurally changed.	00:48:17
	To not.	00:48:19
	To become more sustainably budgeted.	00:48:23
	So I mentioned earlier.	00:48:26
	Phase one has been working to try to get ahead of that cannabis reduction.	00:48:29
	I think we're about there and we're where the goal was when we started.	00:48:33
	It's just unfortunately we're looking at phase two economic uncertainty.	00:48:38
	Again, keyword is uncertain because.	00:48:43
	It's everybody's basically saying to be conservative because we don't know what's going to happen over the next six months to it.	00:48:46
	To a year.	00:48:51
	And so.	00:48:53
	Like I mentioned a few.	00:48:55
	Of our consultants and things have called us and said be conservative, adjust down.	00:48:57
	But.	00:49:01
	No one's really sure if it's really.	00:49:02
	Gonna be there or not so it.	00:49:05
	I think we're just.	00:49:07
	Sort of getting to the point of realizing that.	00:49:09
	The goal will be have a good plan.	00:49:12
	And then as things change, be prepared to adjust as we need to so.	00:49:15
	So, umm.	00:49:20
	So one of the points of today's item was.	00:49:27
	Initially, uh.	00:49:30
	We did have a bigger.	00:49:31
	Gap we were working on.	00:49:33
	And so we were going to come and explain the adjustments we were making to try to get balanced and then.	00:49:34
	We had identified some options that we wanted some Council direction on.	00:49:40
	We have gotten closer to being balanced. I think that.	00:49:45
	The.	00:49:52
	We we're, we're getting close to being able to bring a budget forward for.	00:49:54
	At the next workshop.	00:50:00
	That is better balanced. I think the big challenge that we'll see again is that second year.	00:50:02
	Because if we're balanced the first year, but then we have.	00:50:06
	$1,000,000 in increases the second year, that's going to be the real challenge.	00:50:09
	So we have a proposal and a sort of a plan of how we're going.	00:50:14
	Going to address that.	00:50:18
	But the item.	00:50:19
	Was on the agenda to allow the Council to give.	00:50:21
	Direction.	00:50:24
	At first the.	00:50:26
	Gap was expected when we put this out a week ago, the gap was bigger than it is now because we've been, we continue to work on it.	00:50:28
	So we're still looking for direction, but I think at this point it's.	00:50:35
	We sort of know what direction we're going on unless council.	00:50:41
	Says to go in a different direction.	00:50:44
	So I'll just note that what we have done already is that top list we.	00:50:46
	Met with each department and we went through 5% reduction exercise.	00:50:53
	I will say that each department.	00:50:58
	We really appreciate that each department took it seriously in each department made reductions.	00:51:01
	And uh.	00:51:05
	I will say on behalf of myself and our finance team.	00:51:07
	We've looked at the departments.	00:51:11
	They're pretty cut to the bone.	00:51:13
	There's not a whole lot left.	00:51:16
	And so.	00:51:18
	That's just important to keep in mind because.	00:51:20
	Next year or the year after?	00:51:23
	The conversation.	00:51:25
	Really won't be, you know, can we do 5% reductions again, there's just.	00:51:27
	There it's we're essentially on year two or three.	00:51:31
	In a row of doing that, and there's really not much.	00:51:34
	Left to cut that doesn't impact service levels so.	00:51:37
	So we appreciate that everybody did it. I think it's a step we needed to take. But again, it's.	00:51:41
	When we get to that second.	00:51:48
	List there there's some things we have to look at doing differently in the future so that we.	00:51:50
	Because that won't be an option moving forward.	00:51:56
	One of the things.	00:52:00
	That we have put in place as a temporary external hiring freeze.	00:52:02
	And I think at this point.	00:52:08
	The.	00:52:13
	Calling it an external hiring freeze because.	00:52:14
	There may be opportunities to sort of reorganize, reorg or restructure and kind of move people into roles that are needed.	00:52:17
	But umm.	00:52:25
	Again, just looking at the.	00:52:26
	How much money we bring in and how much money we spend, there's not really.	00:52:28
	Funding to keep bringing more people on board so.	00:52:32
	So it'll be sort of that.	00:52:36
	Almost puzzle of trying to.	00:52:39
	You know, fit people in the right places to be able to maintain service levels.	00:52:41
	And it's definitely a challenge.	00:52:46
	The we also.	00:52:50
	On September of 2023.	00:52:53
	The City Council took several steps to sort of.	00:52:55
	Get prepared and one of them was creating a CIP reserve fund.	00:52:58
	Because there had never been.	00:53:02
	CIP funding source. So the CIP.	00:53:04
	Projects just.	00:53:07
	Basically added to the deficit every year.	00:53:08
	And so.	00:53:11
	That has been created. It was funded for two years and so we do have some funding.	00:53:12
	In that CIP reserve and using that like starting to use that now.	00:53:17
	You know, we essentially created it for a rainy day.	00:53:22
	And it looks like it might be a rainy day this year.	00:53:24
	So we're proposing starting to use that to.	00:53:27
	Pay for the CIP, which would then would not.	00:53:30
	Which would help balance the budget.	00:53:34
	The key there that we would just highlight is that.	00:53:36
	You know the goal was.	00:53:39
	To try to create that and get a couple years of funding built up to pay for a project.	00:53:40
	We we really only were able to create it and have it in place for a pretty minimal period of time. So it'll help us for a couple	00:53:45
	of years, but it's not the long term solution.	00:53:50
	And then?	00:53:56
	As we've said a few times with that keyword, economic uncertainty.	00:53:58
	The last recommendation would be.	00:54:01
	Just be prepared to make adjustments throughout the year.	00:54:05
	And I will just note there, I did reach out to other cities and some other agencies.	00:54:08
	And everybody's starting to realize.	00:54:13
	That point, at this point, it's.	00:54:16
	We aren't going to be the only ones who sort of.	00:54:18
	Kind of adopt A conservative budget.	00:54:23
	And just know that.	00:54:25
	There's probably going to be changes during the year one one way or the other, so.	00:54:27
	So that's what we put in place that we've worked on over the last couple of weeks even as this agenda has come out.	00:54:33
	Where we've really been able to sort of fine tune the budget and and keep working to balance it and making progress.	00:54:40
	At that time we had said, you know, kind of next options if we couldn't get balance would be.	00:54:47
	The four options noted.	00:54:52
	Which are.	00:54:54
	Additional reductions of.	00:54:55
	Annual or ongoing expenses.	00:54:58
	I think.	00:55:02
	You know that's.	00:55:04
	A simple way to.	00:55:07
	Kind of what we've already done, which is going through the departments and identifying whatever reductions we can that don't	00:55:09
	impact service levels.	00:55:13
	If the gap was.	00:55:17
	Bigger, I'd probably be asking, OK, what service levels are we willing to impact?	00:55:18
	But I think we're.	00:55:24
	When we bring the full list of reductions at the next meeting, we'll talk about, you know, some of them will inevitably have	00:55:26
	impacts.	00:55:29
	But we haven't had to actually eliminate any.	00:55:32
	Like full programs or anything at this point?	00:55:36
	We had a.	00:55:40
	And I think the staff report noted when we wrote it that if we couldn't get balanced.	00:55:41
	You know, we might have to talk about programs, for example.	00:55:45
	I will.	00:55:49
	Uses only as an example of.	00:55:50
	Why we want to avoid this if we can?	00:55:54
	And I think we can at this point this year.	00:55:57
	But eliminating a program?	00:56:01
	Is actually.	00:56:04
	A lot more impactful than maybe it would seem, because.	00:56:06
	As a small city and and essentially with very bare bones.	00:56:09
	Resources over the next couple years once we eliminate a program.	00:56:15
	There's not going to be a plan to get it back anytime soon.	00:56:19
	So we really want to avoid that and.	00:56:23
	And I'll use this as an example just.	00:56:25
	Of for the purposes of.	00:56:28
	Illustrating that point.	00:56:30
	Would be, you know, we do a lifeguard program every summer.	00:56:31
	And the lifeguard program, it costs the city about $250,000.	00:56:34
	And if.	00:56:39
	You know, if it were as simple as well, like maybe we take one year off where we don't have that program.	00:56:40
	That might be something we'd consider.	00:56:46
	But the reality is right now, if you were to cancel something like that.	00:56:49
	Every other agency is desperate for lifeguards. They would take all your lifeguards. You'd lose all your certifications. You	00:56:55
	you'd, you know, lose your whole structure.	00:57:00
	It would really have to be just known like that would. That wouldn't be a short term.	00:57:05
	Solution.	00:57:10
	And so for that reason, we're doing our best and, and I think we're we're on the path to not.	00:57:11
	Have to have those kinds of conversations right now.	00:57:18
	Again, just from.	00:57:23
	You know the couple months ago where we saw a two and a half million dollar gap to now I think we.	00:57:25
	We're on the path towards avoiding.	00:57:30
	Those types of things, but we what we have done though.	00:57:33
	Is look at things like.	00:57:36
	Keeping vacant positions unfilled instead. And umm.	00:57:38
	Reducing travel budgets, training budgets, you know those types of things.	00:57:43
	So still impactful, but.	00:57:47
	But we've tried to avoid.	00:57:50
	For that reason, we've really tried to avoid any impacts to any.	00:57:52
	Like real programs.	00:57:55
	That would be longer term impacts.	00:57:57
	So.	00:58:00
	So we'll keep working on those. The other was.	00:58:02
	We were going to note that.	00:58:05
	You know, one of the goals a couple years ago was we said.	00:58:08
	That when revenues were high because of cannabis, we did not want to adopt A plan that used our reserves.	00:58:11
	You know that the reserves are there for years that are tough where we don't have the revenues.	00:58:18
	And so again a couple weeks ago when we were writing these reports.	00:58:23
	We were looking and saying, well, maybe this is the year that we have to use some of those reserves to get by.	00:58:28
	I think that the plan that we'll be bringing forward in a couple weeks, I don't think we'll be doing that for Year 1.	00:58:34
	But uh.	00:58:40
	That may be a conversation for Year 2.	00:58:41
	And I think.	00:58:45
	The real sort of.	00:58:46
	Conversation for your two will be.	00:58:48
	You know, can we continue to identify savings? Can we continue to have some attrition?	00:58:50
	To get balanced or.	00:58:54
	Do we need to use?	00:58:57
	The reserves we have.	00:58:58
	You know if that doesn't happen, so.	00:59:00
	The other option, the third, which we are working on and Council has approved us to work on already.	00:59:03
	Is revenue increases.	00:59:09
	The key there is you know.	00:59:13
	We're not looking at increasing revenues.	00:59:14
	And this I think was the key is.	00:59:17
	We're not increasing revenues because we were overspending. We've reduced the spending and we're we're spending.	00:59:19
	Pretty minimally.	00:59:26
	But we're looking at increasing revenues because the costs of providing services has gone up and we haven't increased.	00:59:28
	Those costs are those those fees.	00:59:34
	And we had talked recently about.	00:59:37
	Some of the utility funds.	00:59:40
	Having.	00:59:42
	Not been increased for 12 hours. Utility rates not being increased for.	00:59:43
	A decade plus.	00:59:47
	And so just like everything in this presentation is the cost of everything has gone up including those and so.	00:59:49
	That's something we need to look at.	00:59:55
	So the council had approved that we look at those. We're also looking at our master fee schedule in some other areas.	00:59:57
	And so.	01:00:02
	When we looked at our revenues and they were flat, I think.	01:00:04
	Looking at.	01:00:08
	The things that we haven't increased for many years is one way to sort of.	01:00:09
	Stay balanced moving into the future.	01:00:13
	And then the last.	01:00:16
	Which?	01:00:18
	We're going to explore and we're going to bring some items to the council on this, but it's really not an ongoing solution.	01:00:19
	It's a one time solution is exploring options with surplus city property.	01:00:26
	And we actually do have.	01:00:32
	One that we're working on that I think would be.	01:00:34
	A positive all the way around, but it would particularly would be a positive right now if we could.	01:00:39
	Kind of include that as another.	01:00:45
	Way to balance that.	01:00:48
	What we hope is a more temporary gap.	01:00:50
	On that second year of the budget, so.	01:00:53
	So we're looking at all of those things.	01:00:56
	Like I said when we wrote this report.	01:00:58
	We were still.	01:01:01
	Had a significant gap where we were going to really try to talk through some ideas to close it.	01:01:02
	We've made good progress on that.	01:01:08
	I'll leave it with. We're going to be looking at each of these and we have implemented the four up top. We're looking at the four.	01:01:11
	On bottom, it's probably going to be a combination of those four things to get.	01:01:19
	Balanced over the next two years.	01:01:23
	And try to sort of.	01:01:26
	Truly get balanced versus just trying to keep making 5% reductions every year and trying to catch up so.	01:01:31
	So.	01:01:38
	That is where we're at.	01:01:40
	And we will be bringing the second workshop in two weeks where we will go through significant detail.	01:01:43
	Of what's proposed to be.	01:01:51
	Reduced.	01:01:53
	And where that leaves us so?	01:01:55
	But again, the key thing today was we just wanted everybody to really understand that big picture.	01:01:58
	I, you know, it's not unusual when we're having a cut year or reduction year.	01:02:05
	That, umm.	01:02:09
	You know.	01:02:10
	Position that you have to hold vacant or each.	01:02:13
	Cut you make, somebody will say, but that's the one that's really important to me.	01:02:16
	And uh.	01:02:20
	We really wanted to have the conversation big picture because.	01:02:21
	We want everybody to see it. It's not about.	01:02:25
	You know.	01:02:28
	One or two.	01:02:30
	Things where it's not about.	01:02:32
	You know, can we?	01:02:35
	Afford maybe or you know, maybe, you know, twelve $10,000 here isn't a big deal or you know, those kinds of conversations.	01:02:36
	Where we really wanted to show everybody. It's really about structurally changing how we look at the budget.	01:02:43
	And sort of knowing what is a realistic spending level and continually trying to.	01:02:49
	Get us to that point.	01:02:54
	So.	01:02:56
	That is.	01:02:58
	Our workshop for today and we'll have more information in two weeks and we're happy to answer any questions.	01:02:59
	Great. Thank you.	01:03:07
	Are there any questions? We'll just take questions at this time. We'll come back around for comments and discussion. Yes,	01:03:08
	Councilmember Press.	01:03:11
	Mr. City Manager.	01:03:15
	You inherited this problem. When you got here, you came into a situation.	01:03:17
	Where we were having issues and you knew of the issues before when our last budget meeting, before we even started.	01:03:23
	You were concerned about some of the stuff that you were hearing.	01:03:30
	And with the new finance director and everything happening, what things have been done in the finance department?	01:03:34
	Where you have confidence in what is being done and what is you're hearing from them, the numbers that you're hearing.	01:03:41
	To make sure that we don't repeat the mistakes of the past.	01:03:48
	I think that's where.	01:03:51
	We were trying to highlight.	01:03:53
	There's a few charts but.	01:03:56
	This is this is a good one that.	01:03:58
	You know, it's really trying to understand.	01:04:00
	What?	01:04:03
	Normal is and trying to make sure we're staying within that.	01:04:04
	I think.	01:04:07
	One thing I heard from a lot of our employees was that.	01:04:09
	People have sort of seen this cycle of, you know, something good happens and then revenues go up.	01:04:14
	And then they drop.	01:04:20
	And then once you.	01:04:22
	If you add ongoing expenses.	01:04:24
	To a temporary one time revenue.	01:04:27
	You'll be in trouble the next year, you know.	01:04:30
	And.	01:04:32
	So I think that's really the key thing is trying to.	01:04:33
	Really figure out what should we be, what is our spending level, what is our revenue level and trying to stay there. And the	01:04:37
	challenge for us right now is getting balanced and then the next challenge after that will be when revenues increase not.	01:04:44
	Doing the same thing all over again, you know, And not not.	01:04:50
	Not kind of falling back into that cycle.	01:04:54
	So for us, it's really been the key was.	01:04:57
	Really trying to figure out what is that normal level you know because you see the chart go like.	01:05:00
	This and go up and down, but it's like, what's that line where?	01:05:05
	You know it's.	01:05:10
	That we should be aiming for every year.	01:05:12
	To follow that up.	01:05:15
	When you first started, the first thing you tackled was our budget. We had a deficit.	01:05:16
	You worked hard, you got rid of it, and then everything you did was pretty much undone.	01:05:20
	Are you confident in the staff and the finance department? Are you confident in everyone being able to do what they need to do to	01:05:26
	make sure that we.	01:05:30
	Keep on balance our budget in the next few years.	01:05:35
	And.	01:05:37
	Cannot meet the same mistakes.	01:05:38
	Yeah, I think.	01:05:40
	I think.	01:05:43
	The challenge the last couple years was every time we would make reductions.	01:05:44
	The.	01:05:48
	Of what was left would go back up.	01:05:49
	And so it wasn't.	01:05:52
	So much.	01:05:55
	You know that.	01:05:56
	It wasn't things being added back into the budget, but it was that you know when you go.	01:05:59
	When this department has this position and that position is this many dollars and then the next and we got it down to the, you	01:06:04
	know, the dollars that we have.	01:06:09
	And then the next year it goes up 7% because of a, you know, a.	01:06:14
	Negotiated.	01:06:21
	Cost of living increase.	01:06:22
	And so that's been the thing we've been fighting. I think it's the thing we're going to.	01:06:24
	Keep fighting.	01:06:28
	You know, one thing we have to keep in mind is this year.	01:06:30
	Contract negotiations are scheduled, so it's something that.	01:06:34
	All of us are going to have to sort of keep in mind.	01:06:38
	Again, this chart is key to me because it just.	01:06:41
	Looking at the revenue revenues, that's really the key point everybody is the revenues are flat.	01:06:45
	You know, in the past.	01:06:49
	Like we talked about a minute ago.	01:06:51
	You know when there are these spikes and everything?	01:06:53
	Sometimes people go, well, this is the new normal.	01:06:57
	You know, but yeah.	01:06:59
	This is the normal and they really.	01:07:00
	Haven't been increasing.	01:07:03
	With because of economic uncertainty, we don't expect them to increase.	01:07:05
	If something you know happens unexpected and they do increase, great, but then that's where the key point would be. But we should	01:07:09
	still try to stay within what normal levels are if there's this one time change, so.	01:07:14
	So I think.	01:07:20
	I think we.	01:07:23
	Understand that.	01:07:25
	From your question was you know.	01:07:26
	Are we ready to?	01:07:29
	And able to sort of.	01:07:31
	You know, keep that.	01:07:33
	In place and and really.	01:07:35
	Not make that mistake.	01:07:37
	And I think we understand that and we're going to keep working towards it.	01:07:39
	It's just for all the reasons mentioned and this charts the perfect example of just.	01:07:43
	Even if we make no additions next year, the costs go up.	01:07:47
	It's going to be an ongoing challenge.	01:07:51
	Thank you.	01:07:54
	Thank you.	01:07:57
	So going back 25 years.	01:07:59
	Macro view. It seems like every time the city ran into the situation.	01:08:02
	They would sell out a piece of property.	01:08:08
	Build it up.	01:08:10
	Whether it's the hideaway.	01:08:11
	Right across over here, Harbor Walk.	01:08:15
	Ocean Walk.	01:08:17
	I forget all the names but.	01:08:19
	So here we are again.	01:08:21
	We're in the same situation.	01:08:23
	If we were to sell off.	01:08:27
	The nine properties at the hideaway and I've always been uncomfortable with the fact that the city owns 9 units in the hideaway.	01:08:29
	My fear is that yes, we would solve our problem like we've always done in the past.	01:08:38
	But is that something?	01:08:43
	That you would consider.	01:08:46
	And I think.	01:08:50
	I think it would solve our problems just like the city had solved their problems throughout the.	01:08:51
	You know, every, every time they ran into the situation, they do a new development.	01:08:56
	So here we are.	01:08:59
	In this situation again.	01:09:00
	And and if we were to sell, say those nine properties at.	01:09:02
	The Hideaway.	01:09:07
	What changes would we make?	01:09:09
	Structurally.	01:09:12
	We would not.	01:09:14
	Because we're running out of.	01:09:15
	Properties.	01:09:17
	To sell.	01:09:18
	And I could go all the way back to the sale to the port.	01:09:19
	The big area out in front of a.	01:09:23
	Anacapa View Homes.	01:09:27
	You know, right over here there used to be a hospital, whatever, I mean all these developments. So we seem to. So anyways, do you	01:09:30
	feel that if we were to sell.	01:09:34
	Say those 9 units solve our problem today.	01:09:39
	Would we be able to make the necessary changes to?	01:09:42
	Whether these storms, these revenue storms?	01:09:46
	OK, Yeah, the the key, the interesting thing there is actually the thing you said at the end, which is.	01:09:49
	I was gonna say.	01:09:54
	And I said it earlier that.	01:09:55
	Selling property is not a ongoing solution. It's a one time solution to an ongoing.	01:09:57
	Problem. So we have to structurally keep working on.	01:10:03
	Just structurally getting balanced and sustainable.	01:10:07
	If we were to sell a property, it would be essentially.	01:10:11
	Which you ended on there. It would be a way to try to.	01:10:15
	Stay balanced for another year to buy us time to do that, you know which is.	01:10:19
	That's been part of the strategy the last couple years and into the next two years is.	01:10:24
	Trying to.	01:10:29
	Basically.	01:10:32
	Make sure we are limiting what we can.	01:10:33
	To have the time to make structural changes without them being painful.	01:10:37
	And if you look at that chart that showed the FTE count, the full time employee accounts.	01:10:42
	The number of employees have dropped over the last couple of years, but it hasn't.	01:10:47
	Been painful, so to speak. We haven't had to have, you know.	01:10:52
	We haven't had to impact any existing employees. It was vacant positions.	01:10:56
	That's.	01:11:01
	The thought process is.	01:11:03
	You know, instead of having to have.	01:11:05
	And if we hadn't made the reductions we had, we would have been in a spot where we would be having a much more difficult	01:11:08
	conversation, right, because we made those reductions.	01:11:12
	We're able to say now we have the time to make a couple years worth of reduction, you know, changes.	01:11:16
	And we didn't.	01:11:22
	We don't have to overreact because we haven't drained our reserves.	01:11:23
	To go back to your question about.	01:11:27
	The proper.	01:11:30
	What we're one thing is.	01:11:31
	Is you don't. We don't want to be in a spot where we're selling a property because we have to.	01:11:33
	You know, and so that's not what we're looking for at this point.	01:11:37
	What the the the item I mentioned and we're still working on it, but it would actually be something that I think the city.	01:11:41
	Would want to do. It's something the city has chosen to do in the past.	01:11:48
	We're partnering with another agency on on a property that leads to affordable housing essentially.	01:11:52
	So it's not something that we are saying.	01:11:59
	Explore it, because we need the money, you know.	01:12:02
	But the timing right now is helpful where?	01:12:05
	If it's something we want to explore and.	01:12:09
	Right now we could use the money, you know, so.	01:12:13
	But I think to your point.	01:12:16
	You know, we don't want to get to a spot where we're selling the properties that we have.	01:12:18
	Because.	01:12:22
	We need a Band-Aid to survive another year.	01:12:25
	And so we aren't, we aren't at that point.	01:12:27
	The goal would be over the next two years to keep working to.	01:12:31
	Make sure we're still not at that point.	01:12:34
	But umm.	01:12:36
	But the.	01:12:39
	In the mean time though, I think there's a couple of opportunities that we want to explore and bring to the Council.	01:12:40
	That are actually positive win win opportunities.	01:12:46
	So I got one more question just for perspective.	01:12:49
	And I know when you came here, Council Member Perez.	01:12:53
	Reminded me that.	01:12:58
	You know at.	01:12:59
	Prior to you coming in, we're like.	01:13:01
	We're gonna have a skate park, we're gonna have a destination playground. We're gonna do Bubbling Springs. We're gonna do this.	01:13:03
	We're gonna do that. And remember when you came in and said I don't think you guys get afford all this?	01:13:07
	And, umm.	01:13:12
	I remember you saying I'm not even sure if we could.	01:13:15
	Afford bubbling springs.	01:13:18
	Because yes, it's an $8 million grant.	01:13:19
	But we know we're going to come over, and we have.	01:13:22
	Cash flow that we have to dedicate and I think so my question is.	01:13:25
	If we didn't do bubbling springs, we'd still have the same problem, it would just be a little further out because I think what we.	01:13:29
	Dipped in our $4 million.	01:13:37
	For that project.	01:13:40
	Yes, out of the general fund.	01:13:41
	So.	01:13:43
	Yeah. So like, I guess my question is like.	01:13:46
	You know, how do we?	01:13:49
	How do we better prepare?	01:13:50
	For the inevitable.	01:13:52
	Yeah, I think to reiterate.	01:13:54
	The point you made because I do think.	01:13:56
	Some people have the perception like are we in a problem because of bubbling springs And that's not the case.	01:13:58
	The the way we.	01:14:05
	Addressed bubbling springs and the issues there, and there's a couple key points as one is.	01:14:07
	Remember, we had significant grant funding for the project.	01:14:12
	And then yes.	01:14:16
	When one of my first meetings we talked about.	01:14:18
	Postponing other projects.	01:14:22
	Including our ARPA funded projects and taking that funding and putting it towards bubbling spring.	01:14:25
	Bubbling Springs.	01:14:30
	So I think we ended up with something like 8 or $9 million of the project paid for by these other sources.	01:14:32
	And then we talked about, you know.	01:14:39
	Knowing that.	01:14:42
	The the bulk of it is paid for by these. Are we willing to?	01:14:44
	Essentially, you know, fill the gap of $4 million.	01:14:48
	But to your point.	01:14:51
	There were other projects already planned that would have utilized that funding.	01:14:54
	So, umm.	01:14:58
	The conversation.	01:15:00
	Really was Are we willing to postpone?	01:15:03
	All these projects and instead focus on one important one.	01:15:06
	Because if we don't.	01:15:10
	And I think it.	01:15:12
	I think it is true now.	01:15:13
	Two years later.	01:15:16
	Both in dollars and in staff time, we wouldn't have gotten Bubbling Springs done. We would have jeopardized grant funding,	01:15:17
	Millions of dollars of grant funding.	01:15:21
	We would have.	01:15:25
	Probably dipped into our reserves for multiple projects that would have added up to a lot more so.	01:15:27
	So those reductions that.	01:15:33
	Are those that conversation we had, I think.	01:15:35
	Put us in the position now where we got that project done. We didn't drain the reserves.	01:15:38
	And it's counterintuitive because I've heard a few people say, well, if we hadn't done bubbling springs, maybe we'd be fine.	01:15:43
	If we had stuck with sort of plan A we, I think we would have been a much worse position and.	01:15:48
	Having lost grant funding and having.	01:15:53
	Spent more money on design for projects that we can't afford to complete so.	01:15:56
	So, uh.	01:16:01
	That was a good outcome. We're sitting here today that projects done. It's the biggest project that the city has accomplished in	01:16:02
	many, many years.	01:16:05
	And I think it brings value to the community, so.	01:16:09
	So that's all positive, but.	01:16:12
	The the big challenge is moving forward.	01:16:14
	Like I said, we've identified we're able to grab about two years of CIP funding for the next couple years, which?	01:16:18
	Is actually the most CIP funding we've had.	01:16:25
	By creating that CIP reserve in September as well.	01:16:27
	September 2023.	01:16:31
	But there's a list of.	01:16:33
	Millions of dollars of projects or deferred maintenance or things like that, so.	01:16:35
	It's something we still have to keep an eye on.	01:16:40
	This year when we bring the budget forward.	01:16:44
	There's going to be.	01:16:47
	You know, that's one of the issues we will raise is.	01:16:49
	One of the ways we're going to stay balanced is by deferring things and like.	01:16:51
	That gets us by for a year, but deferred maintenance becomes a problem on its own right, and projects in and of themselves bring.	01:16:56
	Ftes whether partial or full fully, but when you have.	01:17:04
	Big projects that are coming along that and then you are putting more pressure on the system because you have to maintain it and	01:17:09
	add personnel.	01:17:12
	Yep, thank you. Let's go ahead and move on to Councilmember Hernandez. Thank you. Thank you Mr. City Manager and finance staff for	01:17:16
	the good work and.	01:17:20
	It's kind of.	01:17:24
	Encouraging even though the.	01:17:25
	Not, you know, we are concerned here.	01:17:28
	That you're already making closing that gap between the time the staff report went out till now, and I imagine you'll get closer	01:17:30
	to it by the 17th when we do the workshop. We're making good progress. Yeah, that's great.	01:17:36
	I did send you a list of questions I.	01:17:43
	I think you answered some of them and I do anticipate that the others will probably get answered at the at the workshop because	01:17:46
	they were kind of.	01:17:50
	Digging into some of the details here, but I do have a question about.	01:17:54
	Just I'm assuming that the revenues that we're looking at here for the general fund, those include property taxes.	01:17:59
	So these, yes, these include all general fund revenues.	01:18:07
	And our property tax.	01:18:11
	Revenue is just as flat.	01:18:13
	I would call it flat. I think it increases a couple 100. And so when you see here that the revenues increase a couple 100,000 a	01:18:16
	year, I think most of that is the property tax.	01:18:22
	Everything else is.	01:18:28
	Very flat. The property tax, That's still fairly flat.	01:18:30
	But.	01:18:33
	But that accounts for the whatever little increase there is. OK.	01:18:34
	I would like to hear you talk about more about what we.	01:18:40
	Will be doing during the workshop but before.	01:18:43
	Before we do that.	01:18:47
	Can you tell me will you have?	01:18:49
	Are you making any plans to implement the?	01:18:51
	Economic development plan.	01:18:53
	We can start looking at.	01:18:55
	Long term.	01:18:57
	Maybe short term, long term strategies, Yeah, yeah. So we are working on a couple elements. One of the challenges that we'll talk	01:18:58
	about in the second workshop is.	01:19:03
	With that plan and some other plans.	01:19:08
	It's one of those things where you know you have to spend money to make money and you have to have money to spend money.	01:19:11
	So, umm.	01:19:17
	I think what we're looking at so far right now is we're trying to find the low cost.	01:19:18
	Items that we can implement.	01:19:23
	And kind of get the best bang for our buck.	01:19:25
	But there are some.	01:19:29
	There's some projects in there that.	01:19:31
	You know, when we have the discussion, we're gonna have to look at which ones we can afford to do now and which ones are gonna	01:19:33
	have to wait.	01:19:36
	A little bit, umm.	01:19:40
	So.	01:19:41
	Yeah, I was about to get into detail, but I'll save the detail for the next.	01:19:44
	Meeting but.	01:19:48
	We are working on.	01:19:49
	Some low cost items on that plan.	01:19:51
	Thank you.	01:19:54
	Great. Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem.	01:19:55
	Yes, so.	01:19:56
	70% of our.	01:19:58
	Expenses derived from manpower.	01:19:59
	And then you, you stated that the 30% remainder which is $7,000,000 looks like?	01:20:02
	We really can't.	01:20:07
	You're down to the bare minimum.	01:20:08
	It's not gonna.	01:20:11
	We can't cut our way out of this.	01:20:12
	So from 2017 to.	01:20:14
	2024-2025.	01:20:18
	We went from 112 employees, spiked at 143 down to 132.	01:20:21
	So it looks like we've gained 20 employees since then.	01:20:27
	That that's currently so.	01:20:31
	What departments grew and what services didn't increase?	01:20:34
	I think you could pretty much look across the board and see where.	01:20:38
	Sort of across departments there was growth.	01:20:44
	I don't think it was.	01:20:47
	You know, kind of isolated to one location. I think that there was, it really was sort of across the board.	01:20:49
	I think umm uh.	01:20:56
	To sort of go to your.	01:20:58
	Question there is going back to the FTE charts.	01:21:00
	Did I pass it already?	01:21:06
	OK, good. Thank you.	01:21:11
	So going back to your FTE chart, so one of the things we're looking at doing.	01:21:12
	One of the questions for us.	01:21:16
	Is uh.	01:21:18
	Sort of what's implied in your question is, is 130 now is that, is that the minimum?	01:21:20
	You know, staffing level that we would have and we know we've had a lower number than that in the past.	01:21:26
	I do think that the true.	01:21:34
	Number is somewhere in between and.	01:21:37
	The reason I would say that is because.	01:21:39
	The city did pass Measure U in that period.	01:21:42
	2 So Measure U is intended to sort of help.	01:21:46
	You know, maintain service levels.	01:21:50
	And so I think that the numbers in between and that's that is why.	01:21:52
	That approach we've talked about of.	01:21:56
	Sort of attrition.	01:21:58
	Managing vacancies, which is what we've used the last couple years to start.	01:22:01
	Bringing that number back down.	01:22:05
	Is part of the plan moving into the future? Because I do think.	01:22:08
	That.	01:22:13
	Quite simply, can we afford?	01:22:16
	Two years from now to still have.	01:22:19
	You know, 131 1/2.	01:22:20
	Employees.	01:22:22
	It looks.	01:22:24
	Difficult to do that so.	01:22:26
	Part of the workshop can we get?	01:22:27
	The breakdown between.	01:22:30
	In 2017 to 20/24/25.	01:22:32
	By department so we can see where the manpower grew.	01:22:37
	Just so because it seems like.	01:22:40
	It seems.	01:22:41
	I can provide that to the.	01:22:44
	Council, I think we could provide that. I only hesitated because sometimes personnel stuff we can't provide, but I think we could	01:22:46
	at least provide count by department.	01:22:50
	But I think that's.	01:22:55
	Sort of part of the answer.	01:22:56
	Moving forward and I think.	01:22:59
	To go back.	01:23:01
	Though the positive thing is by.	01:23:02
	Being proactive by already managing some of these costs and already starting to taper down.	01:23:05
	We have.	01:23:09
	The time and the reserves to kind of keep doing it in that.	01:23:10
	Less painful way of attrition and not having to have other discussions so.	01:23:14
	So that's that's why we said that's part of our plan is that, you know, managing vacancies.	01:23:19
	But we can provide. I'll make a note.	01:23:24
	To provide a position count by department.	01:23:27
	OK. So my next question is since cannabis is declining.	01:23:30
	With.	01:23:35
	Oxnard Ventura I know we have a cannabis.	01:23:37
	In our next.	01:23:41
	Go around but.	01:23:43
	This is pertains to.	01:23:44
	The declining sales.	01:23:46
	With no.	01:23:48
	What are our neighboring cities doing successfully?	01:23:49
	That they're growing and we're.	01:23:53
	We're declining.	01:23:56
	Or since they're opening, what?	01:23:57
	I mean they can't, I can't assume they took all ourselves. I know competition is probably.	01:24:00
	Is being very competitive? Are they driving our?	01:24:07
	Our cannabis stores out of business.	01:24:11
	Like, you know, survival of the fittest.	01:24:14
	All right. So do we have a good snapshot? Are we competitive with our neighboring cities? I think the biggest reason we're not	01:24:16
	competitive is unfortunately something we can't change. It's they're right off the freeway.	01:24:22
	And we're not.	01:24:28
	And I think.	01:24:29
	All else being equal.	01:24:31
	You know, I've talked to some people about this, but.	01:24:33
	If you come from the north and you get off the freeway to to go to a dispensary, you're gonna pass one right off the freeway. And	01:24:36
	are you gonna come like, are you gonna drive past that and, you know, come the extra 15 minutes to Port Hueneme?	01:24:42
	And same thing coming from the other direction. When you get off the freeway, there's another one right there and.	01:24:49
	And, you know, they're right there off the freeway.	01:24:54
	And.	01:24:58
	The one in Oxnard, I'll try not to use names, but the one in Oxnard closest to Camarillo, that anybody from coming from Camarillo	01:25:00
	would get off and pass right by.	01:25:05
	They have a Winnie Me location but.	01:25:10
	They're right off the freeway now, and I think you're starting to see that, you know, shift.	01:25:13
	So I think all else being equal, if we did everything else the same.	01:25:18
	I think they still have that advantage.	01:25:23
	And I actually would highlight with what we've heard from a lot of dispensaries is.	01:25:25
	Oxnard's actually charging them a lot more because they had to.	01:25:30
	I don't remember if they officially put out the number, but the number we're hearing from people is that they essentially have to	01:25:35
	pay 250 grand for the permit to get started.	01:25:39
	And even with that.	01:25:44
	They know they want that location right off the freeway.	01:25:45
	They could stay in Winimi and not have to pay that, but it's.	01:25:48
	You know it's worth that trade off for them so.	01:25:52
	So we've heard that from some of our dispense, well several of our dispensaries, you know that.	01:25:55
	That was.	01:26:01
	Even with that.	01:26:02
	Fee that we don't have.	01:26:03
	They're still moving forward with opening those locations, so.	01:26:05
	So I just think that the biggest competitive advantage they have is location.	01:26:09
	And.	01:26:13
	Unfortunately, that's the one thing we can't change.	01:26:15
	We do actually though, and I know you and I.	01:26:18
	Went back and forth on this.	01:26:21
	Earlier today, but.	01:26:23
	We do charge a lower.	01:26:24
	Rate, uh.	01:26:26
	Than Oxnard.	01:26:27
	And Ventura do.	01:26:28
	On dispensaries.	01:26:31
	Which is most of our businesses, so.	01:26:34
	So we are still trying to be competitive. We focused on it.	01:26:37
	And then a couple months ago.	01:26:41
	There was an article in the paper about a lot of.	01:26:43
	Dispensaries lowering their their fees.	01:26:46
	But they were at.	01:26:49
	9 or 10% and so they were lowering to 5 or 6% and we've been at 5%.	01:26:51
	Amongst the lower ones since we started.	01:26:56
	So I think.	01:26:59
	In dispensaries at least you know, maybe some of the other fees, maybe if we had adjusted earlier, maybe we would have gotten some	01:27:02
	of those businesses in, but.	01:27:05
	I don't think so because even other cities have really struggled to get those businesses in, like the cultivation.	01:27:09
	That is just very difficult in.	01:27:15
	Southern California manufacturing and cultivation is just very difficult because of the costs.	01:27:18
	But for us, that's the challenge. And so just round numbers, so everybody knows. So our cannabis revenue went from about 3 million	01:27:23
	at its peak.	01:27:28
	In a year.	01:27:32
	Three years ago.	01:27:34
	And has come all the way down to about 1,000,000 so.	01:27:35
	I think even.	01:27:39
	Projections.	01:27:40
	From the sales tax consultants.	01:27:41
	Two years ago was that it would settle at like 1.6 million like they thought maybe cut in half.	01:27:43
	But it's really been cut into a third.	01:27:49
	So.	01:27:51
	Yeah, that one.	01:27:54
	Yeah. And so this graph.	01:27:56
	Shows sales tax and cannabis.	01:27:59
	And so.	01:28:02
	That's why it doesn't just say 3 million to 1,000,000, but if it was just cannabis it would show 3 million to 1,000,000.	01:28:04
	OK, great. Thank you.	01:28:12
	Any other?	01:28:14
	Questions before we move on.	01:28:15
	OK, great. So we'll now open the public hearing. It's open and it is now 756.	01:28:16
	Madam Clerk, are there any public comments?	01:28:24
	We have to written public comment.	01:28:27
	The first one is from Jessica Balka.	01:28:31
	Good evening council members, community members and city staff. I am a port winning me resident who genuinely loves this	01:28:34
	community.	01:28:37
	I've I've seen this city come together through hard times. I want to thank staff for working hard to try to stabilize the budget	01:28:41
	and protect the services residents depend on.	01:28:46
	I would like to bring up honest concerns about something that's not working.	01:28:52
	The Police Department.	01:28:55
	The city has serious issues with accountability, transparency and basic responsiveness that get ignored.	01:28:57
	Adding a new police dog would require taking an officer off the streets.	01:29:03
	And is the exact opposite of what this community needs right now.	01:29:07
	Everyone loves dogs but long term getting another canine which requires a handler.	01:29:11
	Officer, a working vehicle, additional and ongoing officer training, and a host of other equipment is not a cost effective	01:29:16
	solution to a problem that cannot be solved by ignoring the real problems and allowing the department to crowd fund.	01:29:22
	To obtain a drug dog.	01:29:29
	We should ask ourselves if the canine the Police Department already has is actually working for the community.	01:29:31
	I would say it is not.	01:29:37
	I love dogs as much as the next person, but another canine for the Police Department is not the answer.	01:29:39
	It will not help the budget issues the city has.	01:29:44
	While some are being told to tighten belts, council events embrace for more cuts.	01:29:47
	Somehow there's still room in the budget for a canine program that doesn't address our actual public safety concerns.	01:29:52
	And puts our community at more risk.	01:29:58
	Taking officers off the streets to even think of this as a slap in the face to residents who are already frustrated.	01:30:00
	With how this department operates.	01:30:06
	We need more officers actually patrolling our streets and officers who genuinely engage with the community.	01:30:08
	Not performative programs that drain resources and remove personnel from patrol.	01:30:14
	It is already bad enough.	01:30:19
	I urge you, don't approve a police dog at the cost of real public safety. Focus on restoring trust, not appearances.	01:30:21
	Thank you, Jessica Baca.	01:30:27
	The next one is from Abraham Baca.	01:30:30
	Good evening, City Council members, community members and city staff. I want to acknowledge the city's proactive efforts to	01:30:33
	stabilize our budget amid declining revenues and growing economic uncertainty.	01:30:38
	The actions taken have hopefully helped preserve service levels and avoid more painful cuts.	01:30:44
	As we look to the 20/25/26 and 20/26/27 budgets.	01:30:50
	I support the continued focus on sustainability, protecting the general fund, and minimizing impacts to core services our	01:30:56
	residents rely on.	01:31:00
	However, I must express concern about one specific proposal.	01:31:04
	The addition of a new police dog.	01:31:07
	Which would require removing a sworn officer from patrol.	01:31:09
	At a time when we are facing projected deficits, increased service demands and staffing constraints, we cannot afford to shift	01:31:13
	critical frontline resources.	01:31:17
	Public safety is a top priority, but it must be approached strategically.	01:31:22
	Removing an officer from our streets to fund a canine program does not align with our fiscal reality or the broader community	01:31:26
	safety needs.	01:31:30
	I urge council to direct staff to prioritize efficient, people focused investments and to reconsider any additions to the Police	01:31:34
	Department that reduce boots on the ground.	01:31:39
	Let's ensure every dollar serves the highest needs, especially during this critical planning period.	01:31:44
	Thank you.	01:31:48
	And that concludes public comment.	01:31:50
	Mayor, if I could just.	01:31:51
	Provide some information to the Council and.	01:31:53
	To the public comments so.	01:31:57
	I know we didn't get into detail, so I didn't.	01:32:00
	Speak to what?	01:32:03
	The detailed items that are in the budget, but I just did just want to note that.	01:32:04
	There isn't a second canine.	01:32:10
	Officer included in the.	01:32:13
	Budget that we're bringing forward in two weeks.	01:32:15
	There is not. I don't know if that was clear when I said it.	01:32:18
	There is not that.	01:32:21
	2nd canine unit.	01:32:23
	I understand the perspective I think.	01:32:26
	We have a similar perspective that.	01:32:30
	We need to.	01:32:32
	Sort of make sure that our budget is sustainable and that we're taking care of priorities before we talk about any additions, you	01:32:34
	know, across the board.	01:32:37
	So we'll bring that budget forward and we'll explain that, but it's not in the budget that's being proposed.	01:32:41
	And.	01:32:48
	We'll have more information on that.	01:32:50
	The detailed meeting in two weeks.	01:32:52
	Great. Thank you.	01:32:55
	So I will now close the public.	01:32:56
	Sorry, comment section of the hearing.	01:33:01
	It is now 801.	01:33:04
	We have before us a recommendation to direct staff to incorporate any direction and return with the second budget workshop.	01:33:07
	On May 19, 2025.	01:33:15
	Is there anything that you all want to add?	01:33:18
	Any direction?	01:33:22
	It's just going to be during the meeting. We'll get to that.	01:33:27
	At the end of today, when we talk about the next agenda, we're going to keep that agenda light so we can have like a.	01:33:31
	Workshop within the regular time 6:30.	01:33:36
	Great. Thank you, Mike. Mike and my comment was about is there any other direction that the Council would like to give the staff	01:33:39
	in preparation for?	01:33:42
	The next workshop.	01:33:46
	If not, if their motion is there, can I get a motion in a second? Sorry.	01:33:49
	I move to approve the recommendations of stated in the staff report.	01:33:55
	2nd.	01:34:00
	Thank you.	01:34:02
	Any discussion, Councilmember Gama?	01:34:03
	So this is complicated stuff and as we digest it our.	01:34:06
	Can we?	01:34:10
	Send questions to City Manager to be addressed at the May 19th Budget Workshop.	01:34:11
	Yes. Umm.	01:34:17
	We are planning to go pretty in depth. There was a question earlier.	01:34:19
	I think somebody had asked about.	01:34:22
	You know what will be presented at that meeting.	01:34:24
	We were planning.	01:34:26
	It is very difficult to really show everything, but what we're planning to do is bring sort of what was reduced from the budget	01:34:28
	so.	01:34:32
	You know, in a Goodyear, you start with your budget, you talk about what's being added.	01:34:36
	Think of not that it's a bad year, we're just trying to.	01:34:40
	You know, look ahead and be careful. So we're going to bring.	01:34:43
	We're going to start with.	01:34:46
	These things are being reduced from the budget.	01:34:48
	And then have that conversation with Council of.	01:34:50
	You know, umm.	01:34:53
	Whether to make any changes or not.	01:34:55
	So, so if there's questions about those, then we can make sure that we're.	01:34:58
	We plan to explain all those, but we you can send them and we'll make sure we.	01:35:02
	Are prepared for that so.	01:35:06
	Thank you. If there's nothing else, no comments discussion, Madam Clerk, please take roll call.	01:35:09
	Member Brown.	01:35:14
	Do you approve the recommendation?	01:35:19
	OK.	01:35:22
	Councilmember, Member. Commissioner Gama.	01:35:24
	Yes.	01:35:28
	Councilmember, Member. Commissioner Hernandez.	01:35:29
	Council member, member Commissioner Perez, Mayor Pro Tem. Vice Chair Vice President Lopez and Mayor Chair President McLean.	01:35:32
	Yes. Motion passes unanimously with Member Blackwell absent.	01:35:41
	Great. Thank you. This brings us to the end of the special joint meeting. We will now reconvene to the City Council regular	01:35:46
	meeting.	01:35:50
	The time is now 8.	01:35:53
	04.	01:35:55
	Mr. Brown.	01:35:56
	Thank you.	01:36:01
	OK. All right. So we'll now move to the consent calendar.	01:36:05
	For the City Council meeting.	01:36:11
	The consent calendar have been acted in one motion unless a council member would like to request.	01:36:14
	Item be pulled.	01:36:20
	Any items to be pulled?	01:36:22
	If not, can I get a motion and a second move to approve the consent agenda?	01:36:24
	2nd.	01:36:28
	All in favor.	01:36:31
	Aye, all opposed.	01:36:32
	Hearing none, motion passes unanimously.	01:36:35
	Great. We'll move on to item number 12A, public hearing. This is the annual development agreement compliance review for Emeril.	01:36:38
	Perspective Cooperative.	01:36:47
	Incorporated and finding.	01:36:51
	Of exemption from sequa.	01:36:53
	Madam Clerk, do you have proof of publication as required by law and a complete file of reports and exhibits? Yes, Madam Mayor.	01:36:56
	Thank you. Will staff please present.	01:37:04
	The report.	01:37:07
	Yes, and.	01:37:10
	Community and Economic Development Director Tony Stewart will.	01:37:11
	Take us through a presentation.	01:37:14
	Hey, thank you and good evening, Mayor. Mayor Pro Tem.	01:37:19
	Council staff and audience.	01:37:23
	This is.	01:37:25
	Development agreement Annual review for Emerald perspective is.	01:37:27
	You just mentioned.	01:37:32
	Back in June of last year, the City Council.	01:37:34
	Approved a series of.	01:37:38
	Amendments to our existing 18 development agreements with our cannabis businesses.	01:37:40
	And this is the first of the annual reviews since that June meeting.	01:37:46
	But.	01:37:53
	Further back, we've been discussing cannabis quite a bit in the last item.	01:37:54
	And back in 2016, the City Council, because they were facing a budget crisis at the time.	01:37:59
	Opted to allow cannabis businesses to operate in the city as a source of revenue.	01:38:06
	And since the city does not have a cannabis tax in place.	01:38:11
	The development agreement was the tool that the.	01:38:15
	Council at the time.	01:38:18
	Established to ensure that the various cannabis businesses here in the city.	01:38:21
	Would pay their required obligated payments towards the City General Fund or the contractual payment as it's called.	01:38:26
	The development agreements also include remedies that should the applicant default.	01:38:34
	And such a default would be for instance.	01:38:39
	If the annual amount of the contractual payment dropped by 50% or more of a three-year average.	01:38:42
	If any conditions of the related conditional use permits for the operation of each business were violated.	01:38:49
	Or if there was a continuing or repetitive breach of the city's ordinances.	01:38:56
	And as a result of the default, the city could terminate the development agreement, modify it, or exercise a similar remedy.	01:39:01
	And as stated in each staff report that was presented to the City Council for consideration of a cannabis a new cannabis	01:39:10
	businesses application.	01:39:14
	The respective development agreements specifically required applicants to agree to the following.	01:39:20
	Pay that contractual payment of 5% for dispensaries in this case of their annual gross revenues on a regular basis and this is	01:39:25
	less taxes paid such as?	01:39:30
	Sales tax or now excise taxes as we discussed back in June of last year.	01:39:36
	That they would maintain all books and records accurately and pay for annual audits.	01:39:41
	And it's down from 2 audits down to 1 audit annually. And this was the cost savings, a measure to help our businesses out.	01:39:46
	And this was per our June.	01:39:53
	24 amendments to the development agreements.	01:39:55
	And that they'd obtain a certificate of occupancy to.	01:39:59
	Open their businesses with one year of effective date of the agreement being put into place.	01:40:02
	And in exchange for these provisions, the city would agree that through the development agreements.	01:40:08
	That the development rights in place at the time that the agreements were approved would be vested with the exception of any non	01:40:14
	conflicting laws or regulations.	01:40:18
	And so again, the public benefits summary, the reason why the city was allowing these businesses to operate in here in the 1st	01:40:23
	place would be again to open the business with one year.	01:40:30
	Of the effective date of the agreement.	01:40:37
	Provide the long term source of employment opportunities and assisting the revitalization of the economic development base of this	01:40:40
	Community.	01:40:44
	Provide the city directly with additional revenue in the form of an increase in certain taxes, such as sales taxes and whatnot.	01:40:49
	Provide additional monies for the general funding of this that 5% payment.	01:40:56
	And provide certain community benefits, which are generally 1% of the annual gross revenues that are put towards.	01:41:01
	Organizations and events and whatnot here in the community.	01:41:09
	So with regard to Emerald Perspective, it is the dispensary. It's located at 100 W Pleasant Valley Rd. They've been in business	01:41:14
	since April of 2019 and while they have been in compliance with past development agreement reviews.	01:41:21
	The city is currently out of compliance with their development agreement for the following.	01:41:28
	First of all, the lack of payment of 5% in gross revenues for the city's general fund, and this was for the months of November and	01:41:33
	December 2023, as well as from April 24.	01:41:38
	To present.	01:41:43
	Terms and condition #12 of their development agreement states that the City requires this payment.	01:41:45
	On a city on a regular basis.	01:41:52
	And again, the primary purpose for the city to require this payment is for allowing the cannabis businesses to operate.	01:41:55
	Basically, is a source of revenue for the general fund.	01:42:03
	And the lack of this payment to the city basically has a negative impact on our finances, as we've just discussed.	01:42:05
	And the ability to provide, all right, excuse me, provide services to ensure the health and safety of the public.	01:42:12
	Since December 23, staff has made over two dozen attempts to reach out to Emerald Prospective with regard to the amount owed to	01:42:19
	the city.	01:42:24
	Some of these the finance department was successful in at least talking to somebody, but we're told that.	01:42:30
	The business either claimed that they owed that they were owed money.	01:42:37
	To the city.	01:42:41
	And or they were being overcharged.	01:42:42
	Or they ignored Staffs outreach altogether.	01:42:45
	What documentation was provided to the city by the business was unsubstantiated, and requests from staff for the developer to	01:42:48
	provide proper documentation and backup data will also ignore it.	01:42:54
	Second, due to the lack of the regular payments and the affiliated paperwork.	01:43:01
	To prove otherwise.	01:43:07
	Staff cannot determine whether or not the developer has been providing the city directly with additional revenue from increased	01:43:08
	taxes, and further, the developer has not paid for this year's annual business license tax.	01:43:13
	I say this year's, I mean 2024 and now we're coming up with 2025 shortly.	01:43:19
	Terms and conditions #8 of the Development Agreement.	01:43:24
	Requires compliance with all existing development regulations in place at the time the agreement becomes effective.	01:43:27
	Our Municipal code sections 5003C and 5016 require that all businesses operating in the city pay their business license tax and	01:43:34
	have a business license in place.	01:43:39
	Again, this business is not at this time.	01:43:45
	Where there cannot be determined if the revenue is being generated in the form of additional taxes that is required by the	01:43:48
	agreement.	01:43:51
	Public benefits summary are occurring at this time.	01:43:55
	Three, the developer is out of compliance with several of the conditional use permits. Conditions of approval. The conditional Use	01:44:01
	permit, PHCU 844 was approved by the City Council to allow the operation of the dispensary back in April of 2018.	01:44:08
	Specifically, conditions 1431 and 40 require the developer to comply with their project application and what was contained within	01:44:16
	it.	01:44:20
	As well as the plans.	01:44:24
	That they would comply with their certificate of approval as well as the development agreement that employees where visible	01:44:27
	identification cards.	01:44:31
	And that the developer will agree to the annual business reviews by city staff and outside consultant HDL, respectively.	01:44:35
	HDL performs annual inspections of all of our businesses, generally in October that occurred with this year in October with	01:44:43
	Emerald Perspective and HDL when they were there.	01:44:48
	Found several violations of either.	01:44:54
	City or and or state law.	01:44:57
	Such as the business not having the required plans and documents on hand for the inspector to review.	01:45:00
	And the employees were not wearing proper identification.	01:45:06
	Staff follows up with the letters to the businesses, whether to let them know that they are in compliance or if there are	01:45:10
	corrections that are needed.	01:45:14
	When staff reached out with the letter to the developer, we asked that the items all be corrected by November 30th.	01:45:19
	To date, the developer has not responded to the letter nor verified that any of these corrections have been made. So again, the	01:45:27
	business is in violation of their CP.	01:45:32
	And Terms and conditions #17 of the Development Agreement notes that this is.	01:45:37
	Consideration of default with their development agreement.	01:45:43
	And finally, as I mentioned earlier.	01:45:48
	In addition to not paying for the.	01:45:50
	The contractual payment, business license tax. The developer is also not paid for the past audit or inspection.	01:45:54
	And again, terms and condition #17 notes the developer shall be in default if not in compliance with the CP with regard to.	01:46:00
	Condition #40 specifically.	01:46:09
	And this chart basically shows a breakdown of what is currently owed to the city by Emerald Perspective.	01:46:12
	The required 5% payment to the General fund, along with interest, totals $76,217.00, roughly.	01:46:20
	The remaining balance from the previous audit, not to mention the one current coming up soon, but the previous one is over $7000.	01:46:29
	The 2024 compliance inspection, which we just discussed has not been paid for and that's $12150.	01:46:37
	Balance of penalties for late payments from October to December 2022 / 3000 dollars.	01:46:45
	The past due business license tax is $16142 roughly.	01:46:52
	For a total of $89,154.69.	01:46:56
	And as of today, with this development agreement review, there's another $16180 for that fee.	01:47:01
	Which brings the total ode to the city of $90,834.69. And this is all general fund revenue.	01:47:09
	Or potential general fund revenue, I should say.	01:47:16
	So consequently, per the terms and conditions #11 of the development agreement, the City Council may opt to.	01:47:19
	One of several alternatives, the first one here.	01:47:26
	Would be to demand full payment of all monies owed to the city.	01:47:30
	By a certain date, IE 30 days from today.	01:47:33
	And if not paid in full within this period, revoke the development the Developers Development Agreement, subject to the procedures	01:47:37
	set forth in the Development Agreement and the City's adopted requirements and procedures.	01:47:42
	And should the City Council so choose this option, this would also begin the process of revoking the business's conditional use	01:47:48
	permit.	01:47:51
	I'll keep in mind they don't have a business license on file right now, so that would not be subject to revocation because of Bebo	01:47:55
	point.	01:47:59
	Alternatively, the City Council may allow a one time payment plan with fixed terms and conditions.	01:48:05
	Requiring a payment of not less than $12,000 immediately.	01:48:11
	That would be to cover all of the outstanding annual audit and inspection development, review and review.	01:48:15
	Bees as well as the business tax.	01:48:21
	Within 30 days of this hearing, with the remainder of the payments to be completed within no greater than six months.	01:48:24
	The agreement for the payment plan must then be entered into within 30 days of this hearing.	01:48:30
	And the payment plan would be based on the unaudited gross receipts, so basically what we know of today.	01:48:35
	Upon completion of the financial audit that will be coming up within the next few months here.	01:48:41
	And that will be for all of our cities here.	01:48:46
	All of our businesses in the city, I should say.	01:48:48
	A true up adjustment will be calculated based on the audit results. If there are additional revenues out of the city, the amount	01:48:52
	of additional revenues will then be due within 30 days of a completion.	01:48:57
	Of the audit.	01:49:02
	And these mounts will not be included in the payment plan.	01:49:03
	The business would also be able to continue to operate.	01:49:06
	Subject to complying with all terms and conditions of that payment plan.	01:49:09
	Or the City Council may take other additional action as we desired.	01:49:13
	Since, the developer has repeatedly ignored staff's request to produce the information.	01:49:20
	Necessary to validate their claims of how much is owed to the city.	01:49:25
	Ignored Staffs outreach all together with regard to paying for all of the fees that I've discussed previously.	01:49:29
	Since the city has not, excuse me, since the developer also has not paid the required annual business license tax.	01:49:37
	Is also operating in violation of the conditional use permit.	01:49:44
	Which is a violation of the development agreement. At this time, it is recommended that you, the City Council, find the Emerald	01:49:47
	Perspective is in violation of their development agreement and exercise option one.	01:49:53
	Which is to demand a full payment within 30 days.	01:49:58
	Or move forward with.	01:50:02
	Starting revocation of the development agreement and conditional use permit.	01:50:05
	That concludes my presentation.	01:50:08
	With regard to other than to mention that of course the project is exempt from SQL, we have to mention that.	01:50:11
	Fiscal impact again is over $90,800 due to the city's general fund at this time.	01:50:19
	And the.	01:50:26
	Recommendation then would be to open the public hearing and take testimony and documentary evidence.	01:50:29
	Close the hearing and consider this evidence.	01:50:36
	Adopt A resolution determining that Emerald Prospective Cooperative Incorporated is out of compliance with their development	01:50:38
	agreement.	01:50:41
	And make a determination the project is exempt from SQL.	01:50:45
	And takes such additional related action that may be desirable, including determination of which course of action to take	01:50:48
	regarding to the subject businesses default of the development agreement for the options noted in our staff report.	01:50:54
	And I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.	01:51:01
	Yes.	01:51:06
	Is anyone from Emeril perspective here?	01:51:08
	I believe so, according to Georgiana. I have not met anybody in person.	01:51:12
	So.	01:51:18
	We'd like to hear from Emerald perspective. I'd like to ask some questions to them.	01:51:19
	Can we?	01:51:24
	Ask questions Do you have any questions?	01:51:25
	Well, not really, because.	01:51:33
	They gave all the information that I have and and we need additional information from the actual business owner.	01:51:37
	OK. So we're in a hearing, so we'll follow the process.	01:51:42
	Go through public comments and.	01:51:45
	Discussion and comments will.	01:51:47
	Got it.	01:51:50
	Councilmember Gamma.	01:51:51
	Thank you.	01:51:53
	Are we?	01:51:56
	Only able to talk to.	01:51:57
	The recognized.	01:51:59
	Owner.	01:52:01
	Mead Whipple junior.	01:52:03
	In other words, is anyone authorized to speak on behalf of the?	01:52:05
	Organization.	01:52:08
	There's nothing that says that they that they can't. We don't have to hear it from necessarily a business owner.	01:52:11
	Specifically, OK.	01:52:16
	Yes, Thank you, Mr. Stewart for the.	01:52:21
	Presentation and all your efforts to.	01:52:23
	Collect this revenue. Can I see the option one again please?	01:52:26
	And I just, I wanted to know.	01:52:31
	Does that preclude us from?	01:52:33
	Collecting on the entire amount.	01:52:36
	OK, so we go with option one. Do we eventually?	01:52:43
	Can we eventually?	01:52:47
	Go after the full amount. Is that the intent?	01:52:48
	That is the intent. Option one would be to collect the entire amount within 30 days.	01:52:51
	I do.	01:52:58
	So.	01:52:59
	It shows November and December 2020.	01:53:01
	Three, there was.	01:53:04
	There was money owed.	01:53:05
	What? What was that exact dollar amount?	01:53:07
	I would have to defer to our finance department. I'm not sure exactly what those two particular months are, what I gave you were.	01:53:12
	Yeah.	01:53:20
	The amount in the slide was not just those two months, but everything owed for the 5% because it was those two months as well as	01:53:21
	from April 24 on to present.	01:53:26
	And that total amount with interest is $76,216.87.	01:53:32
	So what was the average monthly?	01:53:38
	Money that.	01:53:42
	What we would normally get.	01:53:43
	Do you know?	01:53:46
	Well, it's I sort of do, but we don't usually disclose the details on those for the security and safety of each business, so.	01:53:47
	They're in violation of not having a business license tax.	01:53:58
	Right, currently that is correct.	01:54:02
	And then something that was so simple as.	01:54:05
	The IDs.	01:54:07
	They never responded to our request.	01:54:10
	That is correct.	01:54:13
	Great. I'd like to just pose a question to.	01:54:19
	Are a city attorney.	01:54:23
	Can we take questions from the organization now and then go to public comments, or should we go to public comments first?	01:54:25
	Public comment first what I thought. Thank you.	01:54:31
	Any other question?	01:54:34
	Great. Thank you. I will now open the public hearing and take public comments.	01:54:35
	The time is now 822.	01:54:41
	Madam Clerk, are there any public comments?	01:54:44
	Yes, we have one from Emeralds perspective, Walter Gauss.	01:54:47
	High Council.	01:54:58
	My name is Walter Gaz. I'm an assistant manager at Animal Perspective.	01:55:00
	I'm here to ask for a 60 day.	01:55:05
	Extension for me and my Co workers.	01:55:08
	As we have not been notified until recently.	01:55:11
	Meet with OH the owner has been dealing with his wife's cancer and needed a full time job.	01:55:15
	So his full attention has not been at the shop and he has not been in.	01:55:20
	As much as he has used to be into her shop.	01:55:25
	He has notified us that his lawyer, Matthew Schriller, has contacted the City of Port Hueneme regarding this matter.	01:55:31
	Again, we are just asking for a 60 day extension for us.	01:55:39
	As employees so we could figure out how we could get the.	01:55:43
	Though needed funds for the city to continue operating.	01:55:46
	Thank you. Thank you.	01:55:50
	Are there any other public comments?	01:55:52
	No more public comments.	01:55:55
	Do you want the applicant to stay up here while they do the questions?	01:55:57
	Sir, are you prepared to answer some questions that the Council may have?	01:56:04
	Yeah, I can to the extent you can.	01:56:08
	Terrific. Thank you. Should the public comments.	01:56:11
	Should the hearing stay open?	01:56:15
	The hearing should stay up Great. Thank you.	01:56:17
	I just would like to ask one question if I may.	01:56:19
	So are all of you employees?	01:56:22
	So no, no one with the decision making authority is here.	01:56:25
	And making all the decision makings for the last.	01:56:30
	Pretty much year and a half. OK and what?	01:56:32
	Advice to.	01:56:34
	I basically just been keeping.	01:56:37
	OK, so and what is your role?	01:56:39
	What is your? Could you identify yourself please?	01:56:43
	And then can can you guys speak in the mic please?	01:56:46
	Andrea Reyes.	01:56:49
	And the general manager? General manager. OK, thank you.	01:56:50
	OK. Any questions?	01:56:53
	Councilmember Perez Well, I'm reluctant. Is there anyone really here with any authority to answer the questions that we have like	01:56:56
	we'd want to know?	01:57:00
	What happened, what got off track? What you know, you they built up so much past due why wasn't any payment made? You know, are is	01:57:05
	anybody available to even answer those questions? Yeah.	01:57:10
	Need pretty much left us to come here because he's.	01:57:16
	Just dealing with.	01:57:19
	Life things and.	01:57:21
	Basically he told us that.	01:57:23
	There is some discrepancy against.	01:57:26
	Something about.	01:57:28
	Payment that's owed.	01:57:29
	Whatnot that I'm not too sure about what it is. He's supposed to be giving me more paperwork from his attorney to show me	01:57:31
	everything.	01:57:34
	But he said to ask for like a 60 day extension because.	01:57:38
	We are trying to come up with something like.	01:57:41
	To give you guys an upfront payment.	01:57:44
	So we could.	01:57:46
	Start a payment plan to get back into compliance just to keep her shop open.	01:57:47
	Why? Because I understand that he thinks that we owe them money, but still, I mean the contract states that.	01:57:50
	You pay a certain amount.	01:57:56
	There's, you know, there's a.	01:57:58
	He went into the agreement understanding all the things that he had to do and doesn't sound like he's done any of them so.	01:58:00
	Not sure how much we can get out of this without really having the person here to answer those questions.	01:58:07
	If I can interject just one comment, I did speak with a Mr. Schiller.	01:58:13
	Late last week he contacted me.	01:58:17
	Either Thursday or Friday. He did not identify himself as an attorney.	01:58:20
	My understanding was that he was an accountant.	01:58:26
	And I essentially informed him the amount that was owed.	01:58:29
	By the dispensary.	01:58:34
	And then there was some issue about a $9000 credit.	01:58:36
	That was potentially owed from the city.	01:58:39
	To the dispensary.	01:58:42
	And I informed Mr. Schiller that that credit.	01:58:45
	It cannot be confirmed until it has been confirmed by our outside auditors.	01:58:48
	And that my understanding and information was that the dispensary was not responding to any of the.	01:58:55
	Outreach.	01:59:05
	From the outside auditors. So the outside auditors weren't able to confirm.	01:59:06
	The amount of the credit.	01:59:11
	The credit was 9000, but what was owed?	01:59:12
	To the city is 90,800. What I'm saying difference, Yeah, OK.	01:59:15
	So I have nothing.	01:59:20
	OK, Councillor McConnell.	01:59:22
	Yes. I would ask that you extend our condolences to Mr. Meade and his wife, and going through cancer, we understand, is very	01:59:24
	difficult.	01:59:28
	However.	01:59:32
	As you understand.	01:59:33
	We have a budget, we have a city to run and we need to.	01:59:35
	Have a.	01:59:39
	Payment and we need to have cooperation so.	01:59:40
	We are in a very difficult situation here, as you.	01:59:44
	Learned.	01:59:48
	That that's why we're here, because we're trying to come up with some kind of agreement where we can give you guys some kind of	01:59:49
	payment.	01:59:51
	Well, the thing that.	01:59:54
	We need is a massive payment.	01:59:57
	I mean, I would say if you could.	02:00:00
	If somebody was able to.	02:00:03
	Yeah, well.	02:00:05
	But clearly you haven't.	02:00:08
	There's an amount owed.	02:00:09
	And and are you?	02:00:12
	Can you?	02:00:14
	Vouch to say that.	02:00:16
	Do you have resources to pay us or?	02:00:19
	What? Well, not the full 90 grand, but like if we could come to some kind of payment agreement where we can make payments every	02:00:21
	month. I'm sure we give you a good chunk, like at least 10 to 12,000.	02:00:26
	Just to get it going.	02:00:31
	That's that's what we're here trying to do.	02:00:36
	Are you, are you authorized to make an?	02:00:40
	Offer.	02:00:45
	On this outstanding debt.	02:00:46
	Yes.	02:00:47
	And your offer is?	02:00:48
	Maybe you could come up with some kind of agreement within the next 30 days to make you guys some sort of payment to get on a	02:00:50
	payment plan.	02:00:52
	OK, Mayor Pro Tem.	02:01:01
	Yes, so.	02:01:02
	Does he wants it? Does Does.	02:01:03
	Does your owner want to stay open?	02:01:06
	He basically he says yes, that we're just trying, but.	02:01:08
	We are going through like financial difficulties with the economy and everything so.	02:01:12
	Right now, like our overhead has been very good.	02:01:16
	Basically where you have enough to pay rent.	02:01:19
	Have to pay our employees.	02:01:21
	Have to pay our bills?	02:01:23
	And I mean, we're struggling.	02:01:24
	All the straps are struggling.	02:01:27
	OK, so as general manager, who pays?	02:01:29
	Who pays the sale tax?	02:01:32
	Well, that that was needs doing.	02:01:34
	But umm.	02:01:37
	He's gonna start giving me authority to like, get in contact with you guys because he said a lot of this is because he was not in	02:01:38
	contact with people.	02:01:41
	So now he told me to come up to the meeting and basically.	02:01:45
	Talk and he would give me authority to be able.	02:01:49
	To be the contact point for you guys. So if you guys needed somebody to contact, you could contact me and I could give you	02:01:52
	answers.	02:01:54
	To what's going on?	02:01:57
	Rather than being ignored.	02:01:59
	So were you aware of?	02:02:00
	The violations.	02:02:02
	Not of this, no.	02:02:03
	I barely found this out like within the last two weeks.	02:02:05
	OK, so.	02:02:08
	You guys are out of compliance with your business sales tax.	02:02:09
	And just your audit?	02:02:13
	Yeah. So you were not aware as a general manager aware of any of this? I was not aware of being like?	02:02:15
	The cities being out of compliance I was aware of like the.	02:02:22
	The employees when they didn't have their badges that one day, what it was was we had hired 2 new employees during that time and	02:02:26
	their badges just hadn't come in yet.	02:02:30
	But all that had been corrected.	02:02:34
	But why didn't you guys notify the city that I thought we did?	02:02:37
	Because he was the one that was handling things like that at that time. At that time, I was just the buyer.	02:02:41
	Like I basically I was just.	02:02:45
	So as a general manager though, you.	02:02:47
	The sales tax.	02:02:48
	Like the business license should be posted right?	02:02:52
	Yeah. Well the business license, I from what I understand it was paid last Friday.	02:02:55
	Is that true?	02:02:59
	I have not been told that yet. I don't know if our finance department knows that they take that normally, but if it was just this	02:03:02
	past Friday, no, I wouldn't have known that yet.	02:03:08
	OK, so it just seems like.	02:03:14
	Seems like the owner is really not.	02:03:16
	Being faithful to the business and he's he's been letting you guys run with this and.	02:03:21
	It's unfortunate because you you guys are not in compliance.	02:03:27
	That's what it basically boils down to. You guys are not following the rules.	02:03:32
	Well, we're trying to figure out what we need to do to.	02:03:36
	Be back in compliance.	02:03:38
	Because this the city stuff I was not aware of at all.	02:03:40
	OK, that's fine.	02:03:44
	Any other questions?	02:03:48
	I just wanted.	02:03:50
	So the owner.	02:03:52
	Is he local?	02:03:55
	He's in Thousand Oaks, 1000 Rio area. Yeah, OK.	02:03:57
	Thank you.	02:04:03
	Any other questions?	02:04:05
	Any other questions?	02:04:09
	OK.	02:04:10
	So we will now close the public comment period. I will now.	02:04:11
	It is now 832.	02:04:17
	We have before us our recommendations. Can we go back to the recommendation page so I don't have to?	02:04:20
	We have our recommendations.	02:04:25
	You want the options or just the actual recommendations?	02:04:31
	Let's go. Let's go to the options.	02:04:34
	OK, so that we're on the 2 pages, this was the first option again, option one, which was the one time payment within 30 days.	02:04:39
	And have not paid then the City Council would move forward with.	02:04:46
	The procedures to revoke the development agreement and conditional use permit.	02:04:51
	Then option 2 would be the payment plan with the down payment of $12,000 minimum.	02:04:56
	And then have that agreed to within 30 days of this evening.	02:05:02
	And then to have that all paid in full within six months and this again would be based on the unaudited gross receipts and if the	02:05:06
	audit the true up.	02:05:11
	Calculated more than those payments would be due.	02:05:17
	Within 30 days of the audit and they would not be part of the payment plan.	02:05:20
	And then third would be any other option that you may want to exercise this evening.	02:05:23
	OK, so we have the recommendations and we have the options before us.	02:05:31
	May I get a first and a second?	02:05:39
	A motion.	02:05:41
	Could I ask a question about one of them? Sure.	02:05:43
	So if we were to agree to the second one.	02:05:46
	With putting terms that.	02:05:49
	Once you said it has to be paid within 30 days, what was the 30 days? The first payment?	02:05:52
	And they have to. You have to make a plan, correct?	02:05:58
	And then?	02:06:00
	The full payment has to be made within six months. What was the rest of it?	02:06:01
	That the gist of it. That would be the gist of it, correct?	02:06:05
	And we add something if we wanted to do 2.	02:06:08
	Give them an option and add something in there that as soon as they were.	02:06:11
	Already out of compliance with that first portion of it, then we could.	02:06:15
	Another decision. Can I just ask a question really quick if you don't mind?	02:06:22
	Can we come up with a #3 or #4?	02:06:26
	Yes, you do whatever you want come up. OK. So, so we don't have to adjust two or one, we can just if there's something else.	02:06:29
	That you want to at least put out there.	02:06:37
	Do that I'd like.	02:06:40
	Suggest or make a motion.	02:06:43
	That we.	02:06:45
	We umm.	02:06:49
	Asked for 30% of the total due within 30 days.	02:06:51
	And then a.	02:06:57
	Aggressive payment plan thereafter.	02:06:59
	However.	02:07:05
	I mean that that.	02:07:06
	I by motion is to.	02:07:08
	Show good faith that you're going to make.	02:07:12
	A significant reduction in the debt.	02:07:15
	And then aggressive repayment plan.	02:07:18
	If there's no second, is there?	02:07:25
	Another motion.	02:07:29
	Because I didn't, I didn't hear a second on that.	02:07:30
	Is there another motion?	02:07:32
	Anyone.	02:07:34
	If not, I have one.	02:07:36
	I would like to hear yours, Mayor.	02:07:37
	Yeah. And so I have heard the general manager talk about 60 days.	02:07:39
	And so I would like to.	02:07:46
	Umm, request the 12,000 immediately.	02:07:49
	And then allow the 60 days to pay the balance.	02:07:57
	Of what's due.	02:08:02
	Since since it sounds like they asked for 60 days.	02:08:06
	If there's no second, is there another motion?	02:08:13
	I I wanted to ask.	02:08:17
	Staff if that was something they had.	02:08:20
	Considered and if they think that's a bad.	02:08:22
	Feasible option.	02:08:25
	And what about the balance?	02:08:32
	OK, I'm just not confident.	02:08:38
	I'm not. I'm not confident.	02:08:42
	At a payment.	02:08:44
	Arrangement. So that's where I stand personally.	02:08:45
	Can we discuss?	02:08:47
	Can I come up with?	02:08:50
	Can I make a motion?	02:08:53
	You can because they both have failed so.	02:08:54
	So I would like to.	02:08:57
	Make a motion that.	02:08:59
	A. They get in compliance.	02:09:02
	1st.	02:09:04
	Have a one time payment of 12/12 K immediately.	02:09:07
	And.	02:09:11
	Three payments.	02:09:14
	In the next 6 months.	02:09:15
	That covers the remaining amount.	02:09:17
	Can I get a second?	02:09:21
	I'll second that.	02:09:23
	Are there any discussion any any further question, comments, discussion?	02:09:27
	So.	02:09:32
	What do we mean by compliance? What does that actually mean? What will they have to do to be?	02:09:33
	Well, they had.	02:09:38
	So they don't have a business.	02:09:41
	License A.	02:09:44
	That we know of since the staff report.	02:09:46
	They were out of compliance with.	02:09:50
	The.	02:09:52
	And it sounds like they made those corrections but didn't notify the city.	02:09:54
	And Mr. Stewart, did I miss anything else?	02:09:58
	The badges, right, You just mentioned the badges. So it would be basically compliance with the conditional use permit conditions	02:10:03
	of approval. That's what you're asking for them to be in compliance with. That includes the business license, the badging	02:10:07
	documentations.	02:10:11
	And whatnot.	02:10:16
	Yeah.	02:10:17
	Thank you.	02:10:20
	Yeah, discussion, so.	02:10:20
	I just want I can just.	02:10:22
	Will you just summarize again?	02:10:24
	What?	02:10:26
	You just commented to our mayor Pro Tem.	02:10:27
	She talked about being in compliance.	02:10:31
	With.	02:10:35
	And I just want everybody to hear that.	02:10:36
	Right. What does that mean?	02:10:38
	So they would be.	02:10:40
	What compliance would how it would be defined would be that they would.	02:10:41
	Have a business license.	02:10:46
	In effect, they basically pay for their current one.	02:10:47
	And then?	02:10:52
	Because we're coming up close to our new they would get a new one.	02:10:53
	They would also verify that all of the deficiencies found during the inspections, such as the the lack of the paperwork and plans.	02:10:58
	As well as the identification were corrected.	02:11:07
	And so basically those conditions of approval.	02:11:13
	Would be complied with.	02:11:17
	And let me ask you based on, based on timelines, how long it takes for those items to get done?	02:11:18
	How long should it take?	02:11:25
	For them for the organization to be.	02:11:27
	Compliant with those things.	02:11:30
	I would say that within 30 days we just heard that they may already be, but if not, then there's no reason why they can't be	02:11:33
	completely compliant within 30 days. These are not big asks.	02:11:38
	And also at that point then we've got the $12,000 that we had also mentioned that could also that were requested with option one.	02:11:44
	To be going also paid within 30 days, that would be great.	02:11:53
	And I think that I have amended motion. Just want to add one thing. So exactly what our mayor pro temp said.	02:11:56
	But after the six month period.	02:12:03
	It's not done to move to the revoking.	02:12:05
	Yeah.	02:12:10
	Is there can I get a second on that?	02:12:11
	Did you have something?	02:12:15
	Yeah, we're on this motion. Can we take the motion?	02:12:17
	This is, I'm sorry, this is discussion time. Go ahead.	02:12:20
	I just want to be brutally honest.	02:12:25
	Sales are down. We just heard that.	02:12:27
	I don't know. I just don't see the business surviving in the current environment and.	02:12:31
	You know $90,000 is a lot of money.	02:12:37
	That's owed to the city and we have a fiduciary responsibility to.	02:12:40
	To our end.	02:12:45
	And you know, nothing personal. I mean, I want you to have your jobs, but.	02:12:47
	I don't have any confidence that we're going to be.	02:12:52
	Paid the way we should be paid.	02:12:55
	And so.	02:12:57
	I I just, I can't vote for a payment plan that drags us out for six more months. I'm sorry, but.	02:13:01
	OK, so I have a comment to that. Either way either they're they're able to make the payment.	02:13:07
	We'll get our 12,000.	02:13:12
	Either way, I mean, they're going to owe the money, so.	02:13:14
	Either able to do it or they're not.	02:13:17
	It's not going to really affect us any more than what it already is. But my question is.	02:13:19
	To the.	02:13:24
	Business, do you have another Emerald perspective? You have another business that you're operating in like Oxnard or Ventura?	02:13:26
	It's port oriented me the only location.	02:13:31
	So just to be clear.	02:13:36
	When I said.	02:13:39
	Six months, So that would be 3 payments within six months.	02:13:40
	So.	02:13:45
	So every two months.	02:13:49
	They're gonna make a payment.	02:13:51
	But I heard the.	02:13:54
	Right. Yes.	02:13:58
	Then we immediately we moved to come back to the council.	02:14:00
	OK. Is that clear or do we need to put that on the record again?	02:14:04
	I think that's clear.	02:14:08
	It's clear, OK, I did. So we're not taking mayor's amended motion. It just.	02:14:09
	Well.	02:14:15
	I think I was in crystal clear on my so so so that is.	02:14:17
	Clear on the record.	02:14:22
	Can you please state your motion again?	02:14:23
	The six month that the comment that I made, but make sure you're clear about paying.	02:14:27
	I'm going to let you.	02:14:33
	I'm gonna let you make the motion. OK, I'll make the motion and so.	02:14:35
	I move that we.	02:14:40
	Allow umm.	02:14:42
	Emerald to come into compliance in the 30 days.	02:14:43
	Make the immediate $12,000 payment.	02:14:48
	And between the 30 days and the next five months, they should make 3 payments.	02:14:52
	That at the end of the six month period.	02:14:59
	We would have received.	02:15:02
	All the due funds.	02:15:04
	Is that correct?	02:15:07
	And if not at any point any stage, so we can get this, I guess we have to get it written for at any stage of the non compliance.	02:15:08
	To our decision, we should move to revocation.	02:15:19
	Do you need a second for that or is she just clear?	02:15:23
	Clarifying the original.	02:15:25
	And I just want to also clarify that includes adopting the resolution and making the determination that it's exempt from SEQUA.	02:15:29
	Yes.	02:15:36
	OK, I'll second that.	02:15:37
	Thank you.	02:15:38
	Any other discussion?	02:15:39
	Can I make one? Yeah. Can I make one suggestion?	02:15:42
	I'll just say I feel terrible for.	02:15:48
	You all here that you have to deal with this because I don't think it's your guys''s fault and I think the council probably feels	02:15:52
	the same way and I don't think it's the situation any of us want.	02:15:57
	But the biggest concern I have is that the property owner is not here. Property owner hasn't told us anything. A business owner.	02:16:03
	Confirmed he's willing to do anything.	02:16:10
	I think my suggestion would be as part of that motion.	02:16:14
	That the public hearing be continued for 30 days.	02:16:17
	And if.	02:16:20
	The business owner.	02:16:22
	Takes the steps needed and signs the compliance agreement then.	02:16:24
	When we we can report back in 30 days.	02:16:29
	That they're in compliance.	02:16:32
	But if they're not.	02:16:34
	Because I haven't heard from the business owner yet and I don't really have a lot of faith right now. So that's a new motion that,	02:16:35
	well, it's not, it's the mechanics of this motion is that.	02:16:40
	At 30 days, if we don't have an agreement, we continue this public hearing so it comes back to council will report if.	02:16:45
	They've taken care of things or if not, and then there could be a decision made at that day.	02:16:52
	So after 30 days we should expect.	02:16:57
	How much?	02:17:01
	It would be the $12,000 and.	02:17:03
	And significant progress on getting into compliance with all of the requirements.	02:17:05
	And so then at that point Council could say OK, you know you made progress and we'll give you the six months to make payments or	02:17:11
	you haven't made progress.	02:17:15
	We have to act and I will just note just there that.	02:17:19
	Just as.	02:17:22
	We do have almost all of our businesses are in compliance. So I just want to reflect that.	02:17:24
	You know, umm.	02:17:30
	This is a.	02:17:31
	One thing that gets lost sometimes it is a fairness to all businesses.	02:17:32
	Conversation where?	02:17:36
	Other businesses are following the rules and are making the payments, and so it's unfair to let one business not do those things.	02:17:38
	So I just want to make that point.	02:17:44
	Because it's not something that anybody likes to do.	02:17:46
	But it's something.	02:17:49
	That we have to do to be fair to everyone.	02:17:51
	So giving that 30 day period.	02:17:53
	Continuing the public hearing.	02:17:55
	If they've done.	02:17:57
	Mr. Whipple has done what?	02:17:58
	They said he would do then then.	02:18:00
	We'll be able to.	02:18:02
	Approved the agreement and move on.	02:18:03
	I could support that.	02:18:09
	Great, Madam Clerk.	02:18:10
	Can we have a vote please?	02:18:12
	Yes.	02:18:13
	Councilmember Goma.	02:18:14
	Yes, Councilmember Hernandez. Yes.	02:18:18
	Mayor Pro Tem Lopez.	02:18:21
	Sorry, Councilmember Perez, you were looking right at me too.	02:18:23
	Yes, and Mary Queen legend.	02:18:28
	Motion passes unanimously.	02:18:30
	Question.	02:18:34
	So let's see our city attorney and city manager discuss it. So and what we were discussing is the the council meeting is on June	02:18:35
	2nd.	02:18:39
	That's the one a month from now.	02:18:43
	It's technically less than 30 days. So I was asking do we need to have the motion say come back on June 2nd?	02:18:45
	Yeah.	02:18:53
	OK. So I want to amend the motion.	02:18:54
	To return to continue the public hearing till June 2nd.	02:18:57
	OK, return the public hearing June 2nd, 2025.	02:19:00
	2nd, 2nd.	02:19:04
	Great. Can we take a roll call please?	02:19:06
	Councilmember Gama Yes Councilmember Hernandez, Councilmember Perez, Yes Mayor Pro Tem Lopez and Mayor McQueen Lejeune. Motion	02:19:09
	passes unanimously.	02:19:14
	Council, I'd like to take a point.	02:19:20
	I need to step up.	02:19:26
	Step up.	02:19:27
	Are we taking that 5 minutes?	02:19:29
	5 minute.	02:19:34
	I know.	02:23:55
	All right, welcome back. We'll reconvene to the City Council meeting and we'll move to item business, item number 13.	02:24:08
	Electric motorized vehicles on Waeneme Beach Pier.	02:24:17
	Will staff please present the report?	02:24:22
	Yes, and our Deputy City manager, Charles Parrots will be.	02:24:25
	Presenting this report.	02:24:29
	Good evening Mayor and council members, member of the public and staff.	02:24:33
	So item 13.	02:24:38
	Agenda.	02:24:40
	Pertains to a discussion about electronic and motorized vehicles at the pier.	02:24:42
	The April 7th City Council meeting included a public comment.	02:24:47
	Pertaining to the operation of motorized electric.	02:24:51
	Bikes on the pier.	02:24:55
	And this agenda is presented in response to Council's request for a future agenda item.	02:24:57
	To discuss such activity and consider options to address the concerns that were expressed.	02:25:03
	The purpose of the presentation is to provide information about existing signage.	02:25:08
	Relevant municipal codes.	02:25:13
	And ultimately to provide Council the opportunity to provide direction.	02:25:15
	Last year in response to community members concerns about a wide variety of activities at the beach.	02:25:21
	The city installed new rule signs.	02:25:27
	The new signs which are pictured here.	02:25:30
	Include an extensive listing of activities that are prohibited at Winemi Beach.	02:25:33
	As noted in the staff report.	02:25:38
	Consolidated rule signs allow for consistency in messaging. Decreased sign clutter.	02:25:40
	Reduced costs.	02:25:45
	And they provide centralized locations where.	02:25:47
	Members of the public.	02:25:49
	Can find information about various rules.	02:25:51
	O In a review of the municipal code, there are no specific code sections that address motorized vehicle activity on the pier,	02:25:58
	however.	02:26:03
	There are two code sections that relate to the issue of wheeled vehicles at the beach and the pier.	02:26:08
	The first is section 4301.	02:26:15
	And that prohibits.	02:26:18
	Riding, pushing or pulling wheeled vehicles on.	02:26:19
	The Pier.	02:26:22
	The other section 4212.	02:26:24
	Is uh.	02:26:26
	Which is which references.	02:26:28
	Which is referenced. I'm sorry, which is referenced on the sign.	02:26:30
	Prohibits riding, pushing, and pulling wheeled vehicles for human conveyance.	02:26:34
	On unpaved areas at the beach park.	02:26:39
	While these two reference wheeled vehicles.	02:26:43
	Neither define the term wheeled vehicle.	02:26:46
	In summary.	02:26:53
	Of this issue last year.	02:26:55
	The city installed new beach signs that address a multitude.	02:26:57
	Of prohibited activities in the beach in the pier area.	02:27:01
	The code includes prohibitions related to wheeled vehicles, but does not define that term.	02:27:05
	And staff doesn't think that the intention was for the city to prohibit.	02:27:11
	Wheeled vehicles such as strollers.	02:27:14
	And wagons.	02:27:16
	Yeah, there there is a provision in the municipal code that allows for wheeled vehicles that are used to transport disabled	02:27:19
	persons.	02:27:23
	Staff is recommending that the city produce.	02:27:27
	A flyer.	02:27:30
	Prohibiting electronic and motorized vehicles.	02:27:31
	From the pier.	02:27:35
	And place it in the kiosk that lies adjacent to the pier.	02:27:36
	And additionally as staff does.	02:27:40
	Periodically. Umm.	02:27:43
	The suggestion is that staff would take an inventory of the signs at the beach.	02:27:44
	Identify any areas where signage is deficient and add.	02:27:48
	The rule signs that have already been installed as necessary.	02:27:52
	That provides an overview of the issue.	02:27:58
	And we are available for.	02:28:00
	Questions that the Council may have.	02:28:02
	Are there any questions?	02:28:04
	Go ahead.	02:28:10
	So is a.	02:28:12
	California Legislature. Are they beginning to?	02:28:13
	Recognize.	02:28:17
	I think the motorized.	02:28:19
	Bikes that we're talking about are basically motorcycles.	02:28:21
	And are they going to, is there any pending legislation that's going to?	02:28:25
	Make it necessary to register said vehicles because.	02:28:32
	I think there's a MPH.	02:28:36
	Ceiling but.	02:28:40
	Because we're kind of getting this area.	02:28:43
	And we need help from the state.	02:28:45
	So my question is, is the state doing anything to address these?	02:28:49
	Electric.	02:28:53
	Bikes which go very fast and we see them all over the roads. We see them in in the.	02:28:54
	Intersections at the stoplights and so forth.	02:29:00
	I can't speak to specific legislation, but I can tell you.	02:29:05
	What has been discussed and what is proposed is not.	02:29:09
	Ebike specific.	02:29:13
	It's it's actually differentiated in the the power of the wattage of the bikes.	02:29:14
	So bikes that are able to travel at certain speeds and have certain wattages and powers.	02:29:19
	Are designated more as motor vehicles.	02:29:24
	And and motorized.	02:29:27
	Bikes that have less wattage and has have lesser speed capabilities.	02:29:29
	Are not. So you get to a point where it does have to be registered with the Department of Motor Vehicles and is appropriate for	02:29:33
	streets.	02:29:37
	But there are many E bikes.	02:29:40
	That are not in that category, that would not be subject to registration with the Department of Motor Vehicles.	02:29:42
	So you referenced motorcycles before?	02:29:49
	And that would be something that would rise to the level of more of a motor.	02:29:51
	Vehicle.	02:29:55
	Rather than an E bike, you know. But I see these two kids that come to Miranda Park on some.	02:29:56
	I mean these electric.	02:30:02
	Bikes look like motorcycles.	02:30:05
	And they literally could burnout and send dirt and grass a fly in.	02:30:08
	And they jump and they do all these crazy things. So I'm wondering like.	02:30:13
	Because they're clearly.	02:30:18
	Vehicles or.	02:30:20
	Bicycles or.	02:30:22
	Could go very very fast, so.	02:30:23
	I think what you're saying is that.	02:30:26
	They're not recognized as a.	02:30:29
	I mean, I mean, how do we?	02:30:31
	Because I think what the complaint was.	02:30:33
	Correct me if I'm wrong.	02:30:36
	Was that?	02:30:38
	Some of these bikes were zipping down the pier.	02:30:39
	Fast, fast.	02:30:45
	Yeah, so.	02:30:46
	Yeah, if I could add to that, then I think.	02:30:47
	I think it was last year. I know it's.	02:30:52
	I know they've tried.	02:30:54
	But the state has a couple of times.	02:30:56
	Talked about legislation.	02:30:58
	I think they sort of differentiated it as like the what do they call the Class 2 bicycles? So the.	02:31:00
	Class one goes up to 20 miles an hour and then class 2IN excess of that I think.	02:31:06
	And so the state has talked a couple times about.	02:31:11
	Requiring things like insurance and registration, but it hasn't.	02:31:16
	Gone. It hasn't been approved at this point and I think it's failed a couple of times.	02:31:20
	So.	02:31:25
	And then what about enforcement? I mean, are we?	02:31:27
	Yeah. What are we doing? How are we going to enforce?	02:31:31
	Are we imposing a fine?	02:31:35
	Such as?	02:31:37
	For violation.	02:31:38
	Do we have any type of anything that will stick?	02:31:39
	I think.	02:31:42
	The challenge for us kind of goes back to the budget discussion right now of.	02:31:43
	You know, essentially we have four officers.	02:31:49
	On duty at anyone time and so do we want to use that resource at the pier?	02:31:52
	You know and.	02:31:57
	Or do you know, do we respond when called when there's, you know, problematic behavior, but we don't have somebody stationed at	02:31:58
	the pier?	02:32:02
	Right. No, I wouldn't want that. But if they see it and it happens and there's somebody, you know.	02:32:07
	Yeah. And I think that's the big thing is if people see it, call us.	02:32:12
	You know, I think this is accurate. I know we were checking, but I don't believe we've gotten a call on this in the last year, for	02:32:15
	example.	02:32:19
	So, umm.	02:32:22
	So just as a reminder, there is if people are seeing it.	02:32:24
	You know, call us and call the police. But.	02:32:27
	So far, when that request came forward, the request was, you know, brought to the Council meeting.	02:32:33
	And so sort of big picture wise, we're saying, well, let's make sure we put some signage specific to this, but.	02:32:40
	If we get the calls and we're able to respond to those calls then.	02:32:49
	That's something that can be enforced.	02:32:53
	But.	02:32:56
	We don't have.	02:32:57
	Any plan right now to have?	02:32:59
	Like resources stationed there to, you know, to just be looking for this issue so.	02:33:00
	I understood and I agree with that.	02:33:05
	Portion of it, but just in case there is.	02:33:07
	An officer there because they do make calls out to the pier. Is there a fine related to getting a citation for writing a	02:33:10
	motorized?	02:33:14
	Vehicle on the pier.	02:33:19
	I'll let Charles answer that.	02:33:20
	Yes. I can't tell you what the amount is, but it would be a violation of the municipal code and subject to an administrative	02:33:22
	infraction.	02:33:25
	Thank you.	02:33:29
	That was the code section that.	02:33:32
	We went through a moment ago is that.	02:33:34
	Vehicle. Wheeled vehicle other than a wheelchair, right?	02:33:37
	Is technically, yeah, I believe it says a wheelchair or other device used to transport a disabled person.	02:33:41
	And like we said, we wouldn't, we wouldn't plan to enforce that because we don't think it was the intent when it was passed. We	02:33:48
	don't plan to enforce it. I get somebody pushing a stroller.	02:33:51
	But if somebody's out there.	02:33:55
	You know, terrorizing people and somebody calls us that we have the tools so that the police could respond to that.	02:33:57
	Yeah. I just want to make sure what we're doing here is we're not really amending the the.	02:34:08
	City ordinance at all? We're just calling out this?	02:34:13
	They don't ride your wheel vehicle on the pier.	02:34:17
	That's correct.	02:34:21
	This is an opportunity to provide education and information to the public about existing violations.	02:34:22
	Yeah, so do we make?	02:34:32
	Yes.	02:34:35
	So we have the ability.	02:34:36
	Oh, so so we created the sign that was illustrated. But we do.	02:34:40
	We have somebody make the sign. The city pays for the signs to be made.	02:34:46
	OK, so.	02:34:50
	My question is.	02:34:53
	You know the little soccer carts that people push?	02:34:55
	And you know they're loading up all their fishing gear.	02:34:58
	So you're telling me that's not allowed on the pier?	02:35:01
	Because you're pushing it. So that's the conversation we're having. Technically, it can be interpreted that would be a violation	02:35:04
	of this code section.	02:35:07
	And unless the Council directs us otherwise, it would not be our intent.	02:35:10
	To enforce that as a violation of the code.	02:35:14
	But it would be our intent to use this section to prohibit.	02:35:17
	Electronic, uh.	02:35:20
	Electric motorized vehicles.	02:35:21
	And so can I ride my beach cruiser on the pier?	02:35:23
	Technically, it's a violation of the code.	02:35:29
	And so.	02:35:33
	That goes back to if you're doing it and you're not bothering anyone and nobody calls us, then you're not.	02:35:35
	You know, there's there's no one to respond to it, but technically it's a violation of the code.	02:35:40
	So.	02:35:44
	Couple things I would.	02:35:46
	The recommendation of of.	02:35:49
	Signage specifically for this I would agree with.	02:35:52
	What?	02:35:58
	What I.	02:36:02
	Yeah, I just lost my friend without.	02:36:05
	The electric motorized vehicles.	02:36:08
	So your recommendation is to have specific signage for this?	02:36:13
	Because it's it's very hard to see that little.	02:36:19
	One thing like.	02:36:23
	I don't think we're using our social media arm.	02:36:24
	To actually.	02:36:30
	To distribute what can be.	02:36:32
	What's a lot on that pier? What's allowed on the beach?	02:36:34
	Like we should, we should have a reoccurring.	02:36:37
	Post that.	02:36:42
	Gives the regulations on on this so that we.	02:36:44
	Or at least being proactive, not reactive like we're acting right now.	02:36:47
	That's all I have.	02:36:52
	Yeah. Thank you for that.	02:36:53
	And so I guess I'll follow up and say.	02:36:55
	Yeah. This is kind of the thing that, you know, I've been talking about about ordinances, right?	02:36:58
	So one day you'll have one person that is.	02:37:04
	Purposefully.	02:37:07
	Calling the police because the ordinances.	02:37:09
	Ordinance is not being followed.	02:37:13
	Right. And so based on what our city manager just said.	02:37:14
	Someone can actually do that.	02:37:18
	Police will need to come and then provide them a.	02:37:20
	Ticket I imagine.	02:37:23
	If it's the ordinance.	02:37:24
	So do we need to do something with the ordinance?	02:37:28
	So that it's more clear because I was reading and I thought, you know, I see people come out for the movie.	02:37:31
	And they have their cards with the now beach wheels that they haven't already had. So technology has changed.	02:37:36
	Right to take their stuff on the beach, but really based on the ordinance.	02:37:43
	That's against the ordinance.	02:37:48
	And so.	02:37:51
	It's just it's really confusing for me.	02:37:52
	And it says no, you know, no wheeled vehicles. And I actually went out and looked and said, OK, what really is a vehicle?	02:37:55
	And it, I mean really, I went to look for today and said, OK, what's a vehicle and.	02:38:02
	Yeah, anything that carries something, really.	02:38:09
	People. Umm.	02:38:12
	Ice chests, yeah.	02:38:13
	Real guppy supplies.	02:38:15
	You know, so I just think we.	02:38:19
	We can do.	02:38:21
	We can do better.	02:38:22
	You know when I was a mayor a because I don't want to get a ticket and then you don't get a ticket.	02:38:26
	And you went later the same day, but the people didn't call the police on you, right? So like when I was married.	02:38:31
	A kid got.	02:38:38
	By a dog that was running around on the beach and got.	02:38:39
	Facial stitches.	02:38:42
	So.	02:38:44
	We're being made aware that no dogs on the beach. Well, everybody has a dog on the beach. Well, no ordinance and so.	02:38:46
	You know, I don't know.	02:38:54
	Where we go from here? But.	02:38:56
	And I know that our city manager have heard him say this.	02:38:58
	Don't want?	02:39:01
	Things that we don't plan on enforcing.	02:39:02
	But at the same time, clearly when?	02:39:05
	An injury.	02:39:07
	It all you know.	02:39:08
	Fun and games until somebody gets hurt.	02:39:10
	And so.	02:39:13
	I think that bigger conversation is where we have to go is like, you know.	02:39:14
	If someone gets hurt.	02:39:18
	Suddenly we're saying, well, you're weren't supposed to be there and you're going to get a ticket.	02:39:20
	OK. Any other any other questions?	02:39:26
	If I could just add.	02:39:29
	To that that.	02:39:31
	The last paragraph of the staff report we did sort of speak to if that's a concern.	02:39:33
	That.	02:39:39
	One approach could be.	02:39:41
	That Council.	02:39:44
	Send that.	02:39:46
	Issue to the Citizens Advisory Commission to to.	02:39:47
	Review, but also do it in a public meeting where there can be public input because I do think that there are a lot of opinions.	02:39:51
	On this topic, on, you know, even just one portion.	02:39:58
	You know of it should.	02:40:03
	You know, umm.	02:40:05
	The probably the biggest question that I get most frequently is do we allow dogs on the beach? Should we allow dogs on the beach?	02:40:07
	Should we allow them on this side? Should we allow them on that side? Should we allow them, you know, all that stuff.	02:40:12
	And.	02:40:17
	So.	02:40:19
	I think sending it to the Citizens Advisory Commission and asking them to review the sections and have that public conversation	02:40:21
	and then.	02:40:25
	Sort of create recommendations of what?	02:40:29
	The updates could be.	02:40:31
	Because I think.	02:40:32
	Maybe to answer your question is like for us.	02:40:34
	We don't.	02:40:36
	We assume that.	02:40:38
	The Council, when this ordinance was adopted, didn't want us to issue citations to a mother with the stroller.	02:40:39
	But.	02:40:47
	You know, I don't know what the story was. I don't know if, you know, a mother with a stroller had run somebody over or, you know.	02:40:48
	But I think it's safe to say that probably didn't happen. We don't think that was the case, but we don't know why.	02:40:55
	The rule was specifically formulated.	02:41:00
	What it was intended to address.	02:41:02
	We just know that it was written very broad and now applies to a lot.	02:41:04
	And so.	02:41:08
	You know, I don't ever like having our staff have to kind of make the judgment call out there and say, well, it's against the	02:41:10
	rules, but.	02:41:13
	You know, umm.	02:41:17
	But I don't think it's meant to be against the rules, so clarity is better.	02:41:18
	I think I also kind of weigh that with.	02:41:23
	You know, it's like at this point we have essentially 1 complaint and so it's like.	02:41:26
	You know, how much of an effort do we go through to address 1 complaint?	02:41:30
	But if that beach.	02:41:34
	Conversation continues to come up and there's always sort of like.	02:41:36
	You know, disagreement about what's allowed, what's not, what should be.	02:41:41
	That could be an item that's sent to the Citizens Advisory Commission for them to make recommendations. Mayor, I have a further	02:41:45
	comment on that line of thinking, though.	02:41:49
	We're not looking at the other side of this where we start getting into the conversation of enforcement.	02:41:54
	Do we really want to start creating negative?	02:41:59
	Police interactions with people with dogs.	02:42:03
	Where the police's requirement is, you assure a citation.	02:42:06
	You have to sign that citation.	02:42:10
	Their rule is, and it's the law for police officers, they don't sign the citation. They have to arrest you.	02:42:11
	So are we really going to have?	02:42:17
	That interaction happening with somebody violating, not signing a citation over a dog and now we have a negative interaction with	02:42:18
	a police officer that could lead to.	02:42:23
	Other things, somebody not wanting to be arrested.	02:42:27
	So we have to think about all the things that we're creating out of this conversation.	02:42:30
	That we could be going down that dark hole.	02:42:34
	Yeah, I'm going down this list of rules and regulations and all these things are happening.	02:42:40
	They're not and they're not being enforced. I mean, it's really there comes a point where people have to self police.	02:42:45
	On these rules, because this is I think it's ridiculous for us to expect that.	02:42:52
	Police are really going to enforce this and.	02:42:56
	I don't think it's a good use of their time. People just have to understand the rules and follow them.	02:42:59
	Are these genuine rules of the road for the beach? Or is it could we just do the old?	02:43:03
	Pirates of the Caribbean guidelines.	02:43:10
	Type. They're all part of the ordinance.	02:43:12
	I mean, maybe that's something we could wrestle was like.	02:43:16
	You know we're not going to.	02:43:18
	We're not going to the dog thing though.	02:43:21
	Again, because that's kind of like the extreme.	02:43:25
	Somebody has a dog and dogs running around and.	02:43:28
	Bites a kid in the face. I mean, that's.	02:43:30
	That's not good.	02:43:33
	Right. But then again.	02:43:35
	We all agree that we don't have the resources to be policing the beach.	02:43:37
	And we don't want to be. And we don't want to be.	02:43:43
	Correct. So maybe.	02:43:46
	Guidelines. I don't know. Guidelines, ordinances. I just don't understand why we.	02:43:48
	Have mosquitoes flying around at night but anyways.	02:43:55
	I'm done, mayor Pro Tem.	02:44:00
	So I think.	02:44:02
	Motorized.	02:44:04
	Vehicles are important too on the pier.	02:44:06
	And require the same emphasis.	02:44:09
	So I.	02:44:13
	I think this is this is valid.	02:44:14
	And I do like the recommendation that we kick this down to the Citizens Advisory Commission.	02:44:16
	Is there a way also when we're actually doing lifeguards?	02:44:23
	To have some not an enforcement.	02:44:27
	Policy, but a general information policy where they can go.	02:44:31
	Instruct citizens.	02:44:35
	On the do's and don'ts of the beach.	02:44:38
	Yeah, we last year we did a couple of things.	02:44:39
	It's actually in line with what you you said before is.	02:44:43
	Basically right when before the summer, when we were kind of, we knew everybody was starting to think about going to the beach.	02:44:47
	We did a social media campaign on.	02:44:54
	Sort of the rules. And then there was a big focus because at that time we had a.	02:44:57
	A group of residents asking us to help educate, including surf riders.	02:45:01
	They help ask us to help educate about the dogs on leash issue.	02:45:07
	So we actually did get Surfrider gave both our police officers and our lifeguards their brochure on.	02:45:10
	About why dogs shouldn't.	02:45:18
	You know why they can't be at the beach?	02:45:19
	And then the lifeguards.	02:45:21
	Officers, when they did beach patrol and the lifeguards when they're out there were part of the educational process and, you know,	02:45:24
	actually would tell people. Here's some information.	02:45:28
	So I think that was a good approach.	02:45:33
	That was actually pretty simple because Surf Riders already has the brochures and they brought them to us and we just like kind of	02:45:36
	helped get them out.	02:45:39
	But.	02:45:44
	So we don't quite have that for.	02:45:46
	The E bike issue, so that would be something.	02:45:48
	We could definitely do messaging on it.	02:45:51
	We don't have like a ready made brochure for it.	02:45:54
	So I have a motion.	02:45:56
	I want to make a motion that this.	02:46:03
	That we direct this to the Citizens Advisory Commission to review for.	02:46:05
	To come up with recommendations on.	02:46:11
	On, you know, the signage enforcement and.	02:46:16
	And everything to do with.	02:46:19
	Public safety on the beach.	02:46:21
	Electric motor vehicles, Yeah, and do the sign stating electric motorized vehicles.	02:46:25
	'Cause everything's a broad term.	02:46:31
	Yeah, everything's everything. Does anybody have a motion?	02:46:34
	The attorney is there.	02:46:39
	Is there a way to?	02:46:41
	Move these rules.	02:46:44
	To just suggestions as opposed to.	02:46:46
	Codified in a.	02:46:49
	Ordinance.	02:46:50
	Because we, we do put ourselves in this position like, well, why did you pass the ordinance if you're not going to enforce the	02:46:55
	rule?	02:46:58
	Well, you could.	02:47:03
	Direct that staff come back with an amended ordinance.	02:47:04
	And the ordinances as it is, I don't know. I wasn't around when that particular ordinance was drafted.	02:47:11
	You could direct that we amend the ordinance.	02:47:18
	To address.	02:47:22
	Some of these other issues that we've been discussing tonight.	02:47:24
	Or we can do perhaps do that.	02:47:28
	Upon recommendations from the Citizens Advisory.	02:47:31
	Commission, Umm.	02:47:36
	We could do that now or do it after they've come back with their proposals or recommendations.	02:47:40
	Yeah, I think.	02:47:47
	If I can add to that.	02:47:49
	Just to answer your.	02:47:52
	To kind of get back to the.	02:47:53
	Basic of your question is.	02:47:55
	I think what you're saying is something similar to what we do in some other parks is we have like administrative.	02:47:57
	Guidelines and administrative policies.	02:48:03
	And so like.	02:48:07
	I'll say how you could do it, but I'll also say.	02:48:12
	I think I would tell you we probably shouldn't do it, but I'll, I'll say how you do it is.	02:48:15
	What you could do is you could revoke that ordinance and then basically say that.	02:48:19
	You know the city manager can create administrative policies.	02:48:24
	That say you know you should not do these things, but the problem and the reason why I wouldn't suggest that.	02:48:27
	Is because then if you do have somebody that goes out and just.	02:48:33
	You know, purposely.	02:48:36
	Rides a motorcycle up and down the pier.	02:48:38
	We can't write them a ticket.	02:48:41
	And so that's really the.	02:48:43
	Challenge here. I think that's why this happens the way it does is that.	02:48:45
	Code is written for the one person who just goes way over the top.	02:48:50
	And when we catch them, we can write them a ticket.	02:48:53
	But it's not meant and I think this is where.	02:48:56
	The conversation with the resident who brought this forward is it's not meant for us to go out and write tickets to everybody who,	02:48:59
	you know, the wheel of their stroller touches the pier. That's not what the intent is.	02:49:04
	But the mayors point.	02:49:09
	Doesn't say that in the code. So that's sort of where you know that challenge is so.	02:49:12
	So.	02:49:18
	I think maybe that answers the question of that's, that's that's why at the end of the day, there's an ordinance on it and why	02:49:19
	just guidelines.	02:49:23
	The risk with guidelines is you can't actually do something about.	02:49:27
	The.	02:49:32
	But in the case of a catastrophic injury or.	02:49:32
	Then you know these things will work against us.	02:49:36
	These facts.	02:49:40
	I mean like if if.	02:49:43
	Like having having an ordinance and not enforcing it, correct?	02:49:44
	Correct, correct.	02:49:48
	It would be on the individual who broke.	02:49:50
	Who broke the law?	02:49:52
	And injured someone else he had.	02:49:53
	Deep pockets.	02:49:55
	Yeah, it won't stop somebody from suing the city, but.	02:49:57
	And Joan could speak better to this, but when you have a law and somebody breaks it and somebody's injured.	02:50:00
	They are per se.	02:50:05
	Right. Negligence per se responsible for it.	02:50:07
	There's no obligation on the part of the municipality to really enforce any of its rules.	02:50:12
	Because there are all sorts of statutory immunities.	02:50:18
	That protect.	02:50:22
	The municipality.	02:50:24
	Municipality.	02:50:25
	Just for this, what we're talking about here. So are we opening up a?	02:50:27
	Can of worms per SE by sending it over to the CAC.	02:50:31
	Maybe. Are we bringing attention?	02:50:35
	Should be doing I think is that's probably the better question. That's a question for council. It's not opening a can of Worm	02:50:39
	well.	02:50:42
	It's not legally opening. I can't wear it. Might be politically open. I can't work. It's passing the book. Yeah, but it's not	02:50:45
	legally opening. And I think you might have some city.	02:50:50
	Commissioners.	02:50:55
	Who would need to recuse themselves because they live?	02:50:57
	Close to the beach.	02:51:00
	So that could be problematic.	02:51:01
	You only have to recuse yourself whether there's a conflict there or not.	02:51:03
	Yeah. But I do have a comment to hopefully help us move along because we've talked about definitions about what's a wheeled	02:51:08
	vehicle and I'm looking at the list of definitions I would like to.	02:51:13
	Whatever motion we decide on to include that staff, go back.	02:51:20
	And.	02:51:24
	Define wheeled vehicles.	02:51:25
	And maybe there's a difference between wheeled vehicles and motorized vehicles, but.	02:51:29
	The list of definitions needs to be.	02:51:34
	Updated. Modified.	02:51:37
	Could help. Is that a motion?	02:51:40
	Yeah, that's a motion.	02:51:43
	In in addition to the recommendations.	02:51:45
	That are here on the staff.	02:51:49
	Did you make a motion that we did?	02:51:52
	I'm going to withdraw my motion, OK.	02:51:54
	OK. OK. So I'll second.	02:51:56
	Councilmember Hernandez Motion.	02:51:58
	Great. So the recommendation and the staff report was the sign.	02:52:00
	Right, yes, OK, the sign and then ask staff to.	02:52:04
	Update these.	02:52:08
	Yeah, staff to update definition of will vehicle, so those two.	02:52:10
	So I don't see a need to go.	02:52:15
	Back to the citizens Advisory.	02:52:17
	No, OK.	02:52:19
	And we make sure we include #1.	02:52:22
	So our.	02:52:24
	Madam Chair.	02:52:26
	Doesn't have to tell me to come.	02:52:28
	Read it over.	02:52:29
	The first one was receive information regarding status of Electro motorized vehicles.	02:52:30
	And then the other one that.	02:52:35
	Direct staff to create science starts.	02:52:37
	Yeah, Elect.	02:52:40
	Motorized vehicles are not allowed.	02:52:41
	And then make sure that.	02:52:44
	Electric motorized vehicles are in the.	02:52:46
	Hard to find in the ordinance as well as wheeled vehicles.	02:52:48
	I second.	02:52:54
	Any other discussion?	02:52:57
	Madam Clerk, can we get the roll call, please?	02:52:59
	OK, all in favor.	02:53:01
	Aye, all opposed.	02:53:02
	Hearing none, motion passes unanimously.	02:53:04
	Great. Thank you. We will now move to the City Manager comments and reports.	02:53:07
	And thank you.	02:53:13
	Assistant City Manager.	02:53:14
	OK, so we have a couple of.	02:53:22
	Items we wanted to.	02:53:24
	Provide updates or reports on.	02:53:26
	And I think first was highlighting.	02:53:28
	Saturday's events.	02:53:32
	So I know we actually had a good turn out, especially for the tour. I wasn't sure.	02:53:33
	How many people would?	02:53:39
	How many people would turn out? But we actually had pretty 2 pretty big tour groups so.	02:53:40
	We had our official ribbon cutting of the playground at Bubbling Springs Park.	02:53:45
	All of the park amenities are open at this time.	02:53:51
	The.	02:53:56
	Soccer fields are opening for.	02:53:57
	Like general public use and what we're working towards getting some processes in place for.	02:53:59
	For that to sort of ex.	02:54:04
	Expand to some of the filled rental.	02:54:06
	Type options, but for now we have that open for public use.	02:54:09
	And so people can come check out.	02:54:12
	Basically everything that the park has to offer.	02:54:15
	I will just note that I went by the playground today.	02:54:18
	And there is a good probably 30 to 40 people out there.	02:54:22
	I think the timing was right. I ended up going by like 3:30 or so, but it was.	02:54:26
	Packed. Probably the busiest I've ever seen.	02:54:31
	The play like a play.	02:54:35
	A playground at Bubbling Springs, if you count the old one too, is the busiest I'd ever seen it so.	02:54:36
	People are getting out and exploring it and discovering so.	02:54:42
	The Shortly after that we celebrated with our.	02:54:50
	County Library team.	02:54:54
	For the Radi Pruder grand reopening and mural unveiling.	02:54:56
	And, umm.	02:55:00
	We have.	02:55:01
	Some photos here of the.	02:55:02
	Interior of the library, I think all of us.	02:55:04
	Agreed at the event that they did a great job with with that library and it looks like a new building on the inside. It's really.	02:55:07
	Nice and so.	02:55:14
	Nice, open and.	02:55:16
	Fresh, I think they talked a little bit about the HVAC improvements that now make that a clean air certified building.	02:55:22
	And uh.	02:55:29
	It's just a lot of good improvements there, so.	02:55:31
	And then the.	02:55:35
	We unveiled the officially unveiled the mural.	02:55:38
	The first city public art project.	02:55:42
	And so that is now open and available to see and.	02:55:44
	This handy guide that the library has, they actually have these inside at their counter, shows all the elements of that mural so.	02:55:50
	It's very cool.	02:55:57
	So that was a good day a lot of and and you know, I think people are excited about those two being open and back for the long	02:56:00
	term, so.	02:56:04
	Many good days of that.	02:56:08
	And so.	02:56:10
	Looking forward, we have a couple of things going on we have launched.	02:56:12
	Sort of the call for applications of the Veterans Advisory Ad Hoc Committee.	02:56:16
	And so.	02:56:21
	We have the QR code here.	02:56:22
	And the note that people can come to the City Clerk's office to get the application to apply to be.	02:56:25
	A representative and then those applications.	02:56:30
	Are due by June 2nd, about a month from now.	02:56:33
	And then?	02:56:36
	We'll be bringing those applications back to the Council shortly thereafter.	02:56:37
	Also, currently we have the nomination period for the 2025 Winimi Hero Award.	02:56:42
	Shown here.	02:56:49
	The 2024 winners Kevin Brandon from Real Guppy and George from the Ocean View Pavilion.	02:56:51
	And so we're looking for.	02:56:56
	2025 S Honorees.	02:56:58
	And and there's also a QR code.	02:57:00
	To submit the nomination for Hero.	02:57:03
	And then we have two upcoming.	02:57:07
	Events or.	02:57:09
	Deadlines and the first is on.	02:57:11
	I'll start with the soonest first, the community poster contest.	02:57:15
	Is currently open. It's open until May 15th. We actually extended it a couple of weeks because the school district had said that	02:57:20
	they needed.	02:57:23
	That they're planning to participate, but they asked us for a couple weeks more to.	02:57:28
	To have all their students participate.	02:57:32
	So the deadline has been extended to May 15th and.	02:57:34
	We're just reminding people to get their posters in for the Beach Fest poster contest.	02:57:38
	And then a reminder that on May 26, we are planning our.	02:57:43
	Memorial Day ceremony at 8:30 AM at Winnie Me Pier.	02:57:48
	For two weeks from now.	02:57:54
	We have.	02:57:57
	Two presentations, scheduled Public Works Week proclamation and their annual project update.	02:57:59
	Along with our.	02:58:05
	Arthritis Awareness Month proclamation That was the item that one of our local high school students had were.	02:58:07
	Requested and the council agreed to.	02:58:13
	Honor that this year, so that'll be coming forward as well.	02:58:15
	For the budget.	02:58:19
	I'm sorry for the agenda.	02:58:20
	Where we plan to have the in-depth.	02:58:22
	Workshop.	02:58:24
	With more detail in it.	02:58:26
	Now that we have the the big picture view, we're going to get more into the details.	02:58:29
	So that'll probably be the main event, so to speak, for that. May 19th.	02:58:34
	Agenda.	02:58:39
	We also council had requested an item to talk about goals and objectives for Beacon, so we'll be bringing that back as well.	02:58:41
	And then?	02:58:49
	We're working on an item.	02:58:50
	To get approval for procurement for a backup generator.	02:58:53
	At the Public Works Department.	02:58:56
	We are currently working with BCA PCD on that, so we'll be bringing it as long as we get.	02:58:59
	Everything taken care of through vcapcd.	02:59:05
	By then.	02:59:09
	So those are the items scheduled for May 19th.	02:59:10
	Mayor, I have a question about this.	02:59:13
	Something on this item?	02:59:15
	Mr. City Manager, has anyone got in touch with the student who requested that?	02:59:16
	A proclamation to see if she would come and accept it.	02:59:20
	Yes, I believe she is coming to that meeting.	02:59:23
	Our our clerk who?	02:59:27
	Was honored today.	02:59:30
	Reached out and coordinated that already always on it. Thank you.	02:59:31
	Showing off a little bit now, but.	02:59:36
	So that's the plan for May 19th and that is everything I have.	02:59:39
	All right. Any questions specifically?	02:59:43
	All right, we'll move on to council member reports and comments.	02:59:45
	I have nothing at this time.	02:59:51
	I participated in Take Five. I think a lot of us did.	02:59:55
	Oh man, that is the.	02:59:59
	That is a thing. It really is a thing.	03:00:02
	There's other opportunities to read to school children, but.	03:00:05
	Yeah, if you.	03:00:11
	Get a chance, I would strongly recommend doing it. I got to go on base.	03:00:13
	Naval Base Port Hueneme.	03:00:19
	Here uh.	03:00:21
	To the.	03:00:22
	To the preschool.	03:00:24
	These little kids.	03:00:26
	And I was exhausted after 45 minutes and I'm like.	03:00:27
	You know I have a.	03:00:32
	Such a high regard for preschool teachers. I mean, it's, it's a, it's a handful.	03:00:34
	So I got to read the book. Maria had a little llama.	03:00:39
	Yes.	03:00:43
	Yeah, I got to read if I cancel member gamma, yeah.	03:00:46
	So anyways I.	03:00:49
	Last Friday I had an hour and 20 minute conversation with Jason Hodge.	03:00:53
	From the port commissioners, I thought.	03:00:58
	I thought, you know, we need more of this and I hope that.	03:01:00
	Hope that we could find a way to.	03:01:04
	To bring individual council members with commissioners and have conversations that matter so that we could.	03:01:05
	I keep pursuing.	03:01:13
	Conversing with each other, working together.	03:01:15
	Working closely together. And I really was.	03:01:18
	Surprised.	03:01:21
	See how much Jason and I?	03:01:22
	Agree on.	03:01:25
	He lives over at Silverstrand Beach and.	03:01:27
	So it was a really good conversation, so I hope that.	03:01:30
	And I did mention to Kristen during our walk the other day that.	03:01:33
	Maybe we could.	03:01:37
	Come up with a way to to pair up and and start continuing to have conversations that matter for us.	03:01:39
	Beacon Sand Summit was completed.	03:01:47
	And and I'm really glad to see that agenda item like what what do we want out of Beacon? You know, we.	03:01:51
	We're we're looking.	03:01:58
	Forward to.	03:02:00
	To hopefully hearing from the Army Corps engineers, because we do.	03:02:01
	Have a.	03:02:06
	Significant problem and.	03:02:08
	Being able to look ahead is really important in this life that we live.	03:02:11
	And we know that if we don't get the Army Corps back here.	03:02:16
	In October, we're going to have a real problem, and it's.	03:02:21
	It's really interesting to watch and learn.	03:02:24
	But watch the sand as it's disappearing because it is really moving fast and so just.	03:02:29
	Look forward to that coming up.	03:02:35
	So the sand Summit.	03:02:36
	Basically.	03:02:38
	Now this was the 4th Sand Summit that Beacon has sponsored.	03:02:39
	Um, and the way.	03:02:44
	Doctor patch Doctor Kiki patch describes it is that.	03:02:46
	You know, the goal of the Sand Summit is to bring all the electeds and board members and.	03:02:51
	Regionally connected by a coastline.	03:02:56
	But to also learn and understand that we're.	03:02:59
	Each part of the coast that we operate is very different than the other one and it's all connected, but it's different.	03:03:03
	And so.	03:03:09
	She she does a wonderful job of bringing the group up and so.	03:03:10
	We're at the master level, oceanography.	03:03:15
	Point now where? Where?	03:03:19
	Now that conversations that.	03:03:21
	People associated with Beacon.	03:03:24
	Have are at a higher level of understanding.	03:03:26
	And the trick is is to make sure that.	03:03:29
	We're all not going to be here forever. We're going to move on. We're going to do this. We're going to pass on.	03:03:35
	But umm.	03:03:40
	You know, what do we pass on to the future leaders of our city?	03:03:41
	Hopefully we'll.	03:03:45
	Pass on a.	03:03:47
	A great understanding of how.	03:03:49
	How important it is to get that dredge operation up and running and get the sand that we need so.	03:03:51
	And.	03:03:59
	Of course, this weekend was wonderful.	03:04:00
	I am the library is just.	03:04:03
	Exceeded expectations beyond.	03:04:07
	Any reasonable amount? I mean it's just.	03:04:09
	So open and beautiful and I'm just so excited.	03:04:12
	50 years from now, it's gonna.	03:04:17
	It'll still be there doing its thing, so.	03:04:20
	Really appreciate all the work that staff did to bring us all together this weekend.	03:04:22
	Really enjoyed walking with the community. I mean it's just such a wonderful thing.	03:04:26
	I don't know how many people have.	03:04:31
	Hundreds, right?	03:04:33
	So thank you.	03:04:34
	Thank you, staff. Congratulations, Georgiana.	03:04:35
	Evelyn Umm.	03:04:38
	Look forward to.	03:04:40
	Continued success in keeping us organized and productive.	03:04:41
	Thank you Mayor. Last week I attended 2 conferences. I was at the.	03:04:48
	Clean Power Alliance conference on Monday and Tuesday and then Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.	03:04:52
	I was with Skag regional policy gathering.	03:04:58
	In Palm Palm Desert and both were really good conferences. Got little.	03:05:02
	Bits of information.	03:05:08
	On what both organizations are doing and.	03:05:10
	Hope to pass those on to our staff at some point.	03:05:14
	Next tomorrow I'm I'll be in Sacramento again with Skag to do some advocacy.	03:05:18
	Other than that, thank everybody for coming out to.	03:05:24
	The library opening and the mural.	03:05:28
	So-called unveiling. It was just a really nice event and thank you staff and everybody for.	03:05:31
	For contributing to the organization of that, I thought it was a really well.	03:05:36
	Attended event.	03:05:42
	And I just want to I looked at the newsletter for the.	03:05:43
	That was issued last week.	03:05:47
	Came out last week and I was just.	03:05:49
	I was so happy to see all the things that we're doing in there. And James, you're doing a great job with that newsletter. It just	03:05:51
	really captures.	03:05:55
	Everything the city is doing, so it just made me very proud and very happy.	03:05:58
	That we can.	03:06:04
	And the fact that you recap the council meetings is really helpful too, so I can carry that around and people want to know what's	03:06:05
	going on.	03:06:08
	It's a good refresher, so thank you for that.	03:06:11
	That's it. Thank you.	03:06:14
	Yes, I got to tour the United Water District watershed, Santa Clara River bottom.	03:06:18
	And it was actually very.	03:06:24
	Educational. Didn't know how.	03:06:28
	They we filled our water tables.	03:06:30
	Here in Ventura County and how we reclaim.	03:06:32
	The water runoff from the Santa Clara River bottom. So that was.	03:06:35
	That was an eye opener and I really.	03:06:39
	Really enjoyed that tour so you guys have.	03:06:41
	Not done it. I'd recommend it.	03:06:43
	I did get to golf with Commissioner Marianne Rooney in support of Veterans Gold Coast.	03:06:46
	And like Councilmember Gama said, you know, just good conversation.	03:06:53
	And and for a good cause, so that that was good to do.	03:06:59
	Saturday and Sunday I actually walked.	03:07:06
	Bubbling Richard Richard Bar, Bubbling Springs Park and to see everybody using the park.	03:07:08
	Was amazing.	03:07:15
	The covered patio was was being used.	03:07:18
	The soccer park.	03:07:22
	The baseball park.	03:07:24
	The playground.	03:07:26
	The dog park.	03:07:28
	All of it.	03:07:29
	I mean, there was probably.	03:07:30
	150 people at the park.	03:07:33
	And so it was exciting for the community to see that. So good job staff.	03:07:36
	City Manager.	03:07:40
	And council.	03:07:41
	That's all I got.	03:07:43
	Great. Thank you. And I'll just say Ditto. I really enjoyed this weekend and it was really.	03:07:45
	Nice seeing the residents come out and people from the community and people from outside the community.	03:07:50
	And so folks are going to be using the park that are from.	03:07:56
	The county, right.	03:07:59
	I agree with Mayor Pro Tem, it was just really nice to see the people out enjoying it.	03:08:02
	And see how excited that they are.	03:08:06
	To have.	03:08:09
	Public Springs Park.	03:08:11
	Renovated and the new library, it's just, it's been wonderful. It's just been wonderful.	03:08:12
	May I do have a comment before you move on?	03:08:16
	I did want to say something. OK, so I did attend the Sand Summit. So thank you both for giving me information.	03:08:19
	To be able to dial in and the information about the meeting. So I did participate in that.	03:08:26
	Learned second year. I participate, learn a lot each time I go.	03:08:30
	I did participate in the Moorpark City Hall grant opening.	03:08:35
	It's so nice if you have an opportunity.	03:08:39
	I think I'm saying it's so nice because I heard the horrors about the old one, which makes it, I'm sure, very nice.	03:08:43
	I will be on vacation starting Thursday. I'll be in Texas, my nieces graduating from college and I'll be back on.	03:08:51
	Early Monday morning.	03:08:59
	Finally.	03:09:01
	I wanted to share this. I don't know. I left before I was able to talk to council.	03:09:03
	Member Perez.	03:09:07
	I remember when you walked in the library on Saturday.	03:09:09
	Saturday, you said? I'm so glad they came.	03:09:12
	Kept the mosaic.	03:09:15
	Stream there.	03:09:18
	And so did everyone get a chance to meet.	03:09:19
	The artist who did that back in 1989, it was so funny because I got in line for Mr. Softee.	03:09:23
	And I needed to run in my car, so I just.	03:09:30
	Said to the lady. I said hey, can you hold my space? I'll be right back.	03:09:33
	And I came back and.	03:09:37
	The lady behind me said, oh, she said if someone comes back and says that.	03:09:41
	That I'm holding the line.	03:09:45
	She's not telling the truth.	03:09:47
	And I was like, and then we started talking and so I asked her, oh, So what do you do? Are you from?	03:09:49
	From Port Hueneme and she said, oh, I did the mosaic.	03:09:53
	And I was like, what?	03:09:58
	Wow, in 1989?	03:09:59
	And so I went back to Steve. I said, do you know this lady? I went back to Anna and Taylor and said, do you know this lady?	03:10:03
	But it was so just so nice.	03:10:10
	The whole thing.	03:10:12
	To kind of.	03:10:14
	Put it, put a hat on it, say and and she's here.	03:10:15
	She did that in 1989 and it's as beautiful today, I'm sure, as it was back then. So yeah, it was great.	03:10:18
	Being able to meet her so I got her card and so hope to be able to talk to her.	03:10:24
	About just.	03:10:29
	Art. All right.	03:10:31
	So that's all that I have.	03:10:33
	Councilmember Perez, I did. I just wanted to make to follow up that comment. The librarian was telling me that they did everything	03:10:35
	they could.	03:10:39
	To protect that, to make sure that that was salvage, it took a lot of work, but they 100% wanted that to be.	03:10:43
	Salvage and I just remember thinking when the flood came and the damage that was done, that's the first thought that came to my	03:10:49
	mind was Oh no, the.	03:10:53
	The mosaic because I remember seeing that, how beautiful it was when you cut.	03:10:56
	Come into the library and I'm just so happy that they did that.	03:11:00
	To talk about.	03:11:03
	What we do, the park and our staff and how.	03:11:05
	We do such a great job with community events.	03:11:08
	I see all over social media actually, people actually talk about us in our events and our park.	03:11:11
	And the things that we do and.	03:11:17
	Is in a negative way, but we're saying look what why Nimi's doing, why can't Oxnard or what can't other cities do this? So it is	03:11:19
	really nice.	03:11:22
	To see that the community outside of us actually pays attention to what we're doing, they're taking notice.	03:11:25
	And they're talking about it in their own communities, about how great we do for our own community.	03:11:31
	So thank you, Steph.	03:11:36
	So I took my wife today. You got to see the library. She's, you know, school teacher.	03:11:37
	Was a school teacher and.	03:11:42
	We went in today and.	03:11:45
	Every little corner there's somebody doing homework, a lady reading to her child. It was just just amazing. It's just so open and	03:11:47
	so.	03:11:51
	Just like what we all seen, like the park is busy, but you go inside the library and it's like it's.	03:11:56
	Exactly what you wish to see and it's something that we've been missing, so.	03:12:02
	I'm really excited.	03:12:08
	Just really nice.	03:12:10
	Great. Thank you.	03:12:12
	We're going to move on to future agenda items.	03:12:13
	Nothing. Councilmember Hernandez.	03:12:19
	I don't have an agenda item, but I would like to ask if we could endure in honor of the missing and murdered indigenous women.	03:12:21
	Everywhere that today is the National.	03:12:28
	Murdered Missing Indigenous Women's Day.	03:12:33
	And.	03:12:36
	Just like to.	03:12:37
	Acknowledge and remember those women who.	03:12:39
	Never returned home.	03:12:42
	Indigenous women.	03:12:44
	Do you have anything for tomorrow?	03:12:47
	OK, great. Thank you.	03:12:49
	If there's nothing else, we'll adjourn tonight's meeting. Umm.	03:12:51
	In the memory of those.	03:12:55
	MMIWMMIW.	03:12:58
	Women everywhere.	03:13:01
	And so we'll now adjourn the meeting at.	03:13:03
	The 9:41.	03:13:07
	Next scheduled meeting is May 19th at 6:30.	03:13:09